00:00Something a lot of people have campaigned for, transparency when it comes to this data.
00:04People have filed FOI requests, including GB News as well, and been told by the Home Office,
00:10essentially, take too much resources, too much time to collate all this data and put it all
00:15together in a box for you. Seems as though it is now happening. Your thoughts?
00:21Well, I welcome it. I've long argued that we need this data. I'm slightly old-fashioned. I'm an
00:26old-fashioned Social Democrat on this. I think the public has a right to know. It's very legitimate
00:32that we should know this. And the second reason why we should know it is that you can't actually
00:37make evidence-based policy without the evidence, can you? So I think from Yvette Cooper's point of
00:43view, she needs to know, because she can't make policy if she doesn't have the data in front of
00:49her. So I think it's good. I think she has. I think there has been somewhat of a cover-up for years on
00:54this. And I think we need to thank certain MPs. And obviously, GB News, you've done your bit.
01:00But Neil O'Brien and Rupert Lowe and Nick Timothy have pressed this again and again. And Jenrick's
01:05pressed it as well. We need to know. I think the public has a right to know.
01:09What do you think could actually change when it comes to migration policy off the back of data like
01:16this? Say we found out that some country or other had far higher rates of crime. Should we sanction
01:24that country? Should we have a specific ban on visas for citizens of that country? How should this sort
01:32of data inform policy? Well, if you found out, Tom, that a particular population from a particular
01:39country was disproportionately criminal, massively so, then it would be very foolish, wouldn't it,
01:44to continue high migration rates from that country? I think to not do that is just totally
01:51irrational. But in fact, what we've had is a situation where we've lost control of the border
01:56on the South Coast. The country's economic model has been addicted to very, very high, low wage,
02:03low skilled migration for years. But we haven't had the data to look at it seriously. So criminality is
02:09one aspect. Another aspect, which I think is absolutely vital that the country open up so
02:15the citizen can see it, is net contributions per migrant population, migrant class. I think that is
02:22another bit of information that you need to have some sort of league table. You need to have some
02:26handle on what sort of contribution the person is likely to make on the basis of their population
02:32level. And if you don't have that, you can't make good policy. And yes, to answer your question
02:38directly, do I think that we should be more discriminating if we have high criminality
02:44amongst certain groups? Yes, of course we should. It would be crazy not to.
02:50People on the left or who are pro-immigration will probably say that then you're tarring everyone
02:57with the same brush. So what if, you know, one group is overrepresented in a certain crime? That
03:03shouldn't mean that someone else should suffer as a result and that this would take us down a very
03:08dangerous path where we're just picking and choosing based on the crimes that others have
03:13committed. What would you say to that, William? Well, we're governed by people that claim to be
03:19discriminating anyway. So, you know, the Tories always went on about we need high skilled migration,
03:25we need the skills we need. Well, that's a form of discrimination, isn't it? You're looking at
03:29people that fulfill certain criterias that you're looking for. I think there's nothing wrong in a
03:35democracy, a social democracy doing this. I think, indeed, it's rational not to do it. And I think
03:40that one of the reasons I'm very keen on, particularly the net contribution, the net fiscal contribution
03:45figures being published, is that there was a similar report produced, you may know about it,
03:50by Jan van der Beek and his team at Amsterdam University some years, a couple of years ago,
03:55on the net contribution of different migrant classes. Now, just to summarize that, you've got
04:00some forms of migration into Holland, they got the figures, from East Asian countries like Japan and
04:06South Korea, which were net, made net contributions, a lifetime net contribution of over 100,000 euros.
04:11There are some categories which that team estimated, sub-Saharan migrant application for,
04:17you know, migration, which was down at sort of minus 630,000 euros. That's pretty much half a
04:24million quid a pop. Now, I've long argued that, you know, the craziness down at the South Coast,
04:31if you have 700 people arriving unsolicited, undocumented, each day sometimes, I think it's
04:38not unreasonable to assume that those 700 people will cost your country 350 million over their
04:45lifetimes. And if that's the case, I think the citizens have a right to know. And then we have
04:49a right to challenge the politicians that are in charge of this, to ask them what the hell they're
04:54doing.
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