00:00The civil service has grown an awful lot in recent years, an extra 130,000 people.
00:05I think it's really important that we get good value for money, but it's also important that
00:11we use the best of new technology, we allow people to take more risk.
00:15So we want a performance framework that really rewards excellent performance,
00:20and where it doesn't, we can have some voluntary exit and some mutually agreed exit.
00:25This would be completely normal in any other big organisation.
00:29Well, the Conservatives hired an extra 130,000 people, and you'd have to ask them
00:35what was the idea behind that. The state is doing more. After Brexit, for example,
00:41we repatriated some functions from the European Union. But even after that,
00:48recruitment has grown an awful lot in recent years.
00:51I think it's really important that we allow the brilliant people in the civil service
00:55to do their jobs with a bit more freedom, a bit less checking of five or six different
01:01layers of permissions, and we bring together what has been quite a rarefied policy world
01:08with the frontline of delivery of outcomes, and bring those together a bit more than we
01:13have in the past. So I think this will make working for the civil service better in the future.
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