00:00...a scandal for a new attempt to suspend the trial for the murder of Catalina Gutierrez.
00:08This is outrageous, isn't it? The accused claimed not to be in a position to face the trial.
00:14However, everything indicates that he is.
00:17Nestor Soto is the accused of having murdered Catalina Gutierrez.
00:21He tried to suspend the trial in all possible ways.
00:25He pretended to be crazy, he wanted to say that he was not guilty.
00:29He was hospitalized, but the latest news, Mariana, is that the trial is finally going to be held.
00:36Luckily.
00:37Until we started the program, I didn't know if it was going to be held.
00:40No, it's going to start tomorrow.
00:41Tomorrow.
00:42An interdisciplinary board said, clearly, this man understands what happened.
00:47Let's remember with a report who Catalina Gutierrez is.
00:50It's been a year since the murder.
00:52He was her friend, Soto, the one who ended up killing Catalina.
00:57He had called her, they had been drinking together.
00:59He tried to find her, he wanted to help in the search,
01:03being the one who had killed her and had abandoned her in a car that later caught fire.
01:08Let's go to the report.
01:11At this time, the trial should have started with Nestor Soto.
01:14It is the 21-year-old young man who killed Catalina Gutierrez, his friend,
01:19choking her to death.
01:22But now, the bad news for the young woman's family
01:25is that it is not known when the trial will begin,
01:28since the murderer was admitted to a psychological assistance center.
01:33A new strategy of his defense?
01:36On July 17, 2024, in Cordoba,
01:39Catalina Gutierrez had gone to look for Nestor Soto at his house
01:43with the purpose of going together to a meeting with friends.
01:47However, they never arrived,
01:49since Catalina was subjected to brutal blows inside the house.
01:54Everything ended with a strangulation followed by death.
01:59Then the murderer moved Catalina's body in the car
02:03to the Ampliación Kennedy neighborhood,
02:06where he abandoned the vehicle with the intention of setting it on fire.
02:10But his attempt to erase the evidence failed,
02:13since neither the car nor Catalina Gutierrez's body
02:17were completely consumed by the flames.
02:20The surveillance cameras captured him taking Catalina's body out of her home.
02:25The Gutierrez family managed to locate her thanks to her sister,
02:29who used the tracking of her cell phone.
02:32For his part, Soto managed to evade his responsibility for a few hours
02:36and even came to collaborate with the victim's search.
02:40But the next day, when he declared as a witness,
02:43he ended up confessing the crime.
02:45It was the love of my life, he said.
02:48Weeks later, he ratified his confession in the Courts of Cordoba.
02:52There was no escape.
02:54The judicial process entered into a mantle of doubts.
02:58Is he really not able to face a trial?
03:01Or is it just a strategy not to go to jail?
03:08We are going to ask Catalina's father, Marcelo Gutierrez.
03:11How are you, Marcelo?
03:14Hello, good afternoon. How are you?
03:16Hello, Marcelo.
03:17Some time later, we are not talking.
03:19The whole process is going on.
03:21We have been accompanying you since that fateful day
03:24when you lost Catalina's life.
03:26And now, finally facing trial,
03:28something that you believed until a while ago,
03:30nothing more, that could not happen, right?
03:32Is it a strategy of this man to reveal everything?
03:37Look, the truth is that I had been thinking,
03:40I came home from work in a hurry to be able to participate with you
03:47and tell you that I am very anxious about this issue.
03:51I am not happy, but I am calm in a way
03:55because we thought that this whole way of dilating,
04:00let's say that it was a strategy,
04:02which surely it can be or not,
04:05Today, they did an interview at 12 o'clock, at noon,
04:11and well, they only focused on whether you are in a position to ask questions
04:17and answers for the trial,
04:19and they all agreed, the experts, that yes.
04:22So, well, of course, we are preparing for tomorrow.
04:26How are you preparing as a family?
04:29I understand that what starts tomorrow is very important.
04:32Why does it seem interesting to me to listen to you
04:35as the father of a victim of a femicide like Catalina's?
04:39Why is the trial important?
04:41Why is justice important for you?
04:43Because Catalina will not return, but why is it important?
04:48Yes, of course.
04:51As you say, there is no way,
04:53we are going to start a new life without Catalina,
04:59with the eternal pain of her absence.
05:02And of course it is important,
05:04because it is, in a way, to close,
05:06in principle, to close a chapter of this horror movie,
05:12of a nightmare that we are going through,
05:15that we would never have thought,
05:17not even in the worst dream,
05:19to lose a child, and in this way,
05:22in the hands of a friend,
05:24a horrible, frightening thing, the way it was.
05:27And on the other hand,
05:29as a minimum, to pay tribute
05:34and for the honor of Catalina,
05:36that justice is given, and it is important,
05:39so that it does not happen again,
05:42or at least be attentive to the parents
05:45who have children of the age of Catalina,
05:48daughters of those people who mistreat him,
05:51who make him feel bad,
05:53who want to have all the power.
05:56It's a kind of trauma,
05:58that you let go,
06:00and then you discover that there were warnings.
06:03Yes, of course, because it is difficult,
06:05for psychopaths, it is difficult to identify them,
06:08because apparently he looked like a normal person,
06:11and yet, look at what ended up happening,
06:14the friend who theoretically wanted her,
06:17to see her best friend,
06:19what ends up happening.
06:21And the terrible thing is to think
06:23that there was no trial,
06:25that maybe he would be locked up
06:27in an institution for mentally ill,
06:29which is fine, and he will be locked up,
06:31but let's say, that's not the idea,
06:33the process serves for something.
06:35No, no, surely.
06:37Exactly.
06:38That's why, surely, for us,
06:40the trial is very important,
06:42because first, because everything has to be elucidated
06:46as it was, and that justice falls
06:48with all the weight that corresponds
06:50for what it did, for the damage it did
06:52to the whole society,
06:54not only to us as a family,
06:56but to society, because in Córdoba
06:58there are many, 60,000 students or more,
07:00who come from the countryside
07:02to do their studies and so on,
07:05and suddenly they see themselves
07:07in this situation that can happen
07:09to anyone, because it's fine,
07:11it's not good to be afraid,
07:13but yes, for example,
07:15a psychologist who attends my wife
07:19tells her that every 3,000 people
07:21there is a psychopath in our society,
07:23it doesn't mean that they kill everyone,
07:25but you have to be careful,
07:27and at least...
07:29Yes, Franco?
07:31Marcelo, Soto and Soto's defense
07:35insist that it was a children's game,
07:39I reproduce this, of course,
07:41condemning it, in no way
07:43could it have been a children's game.
07:45Do you think that Soto's strategy,
07:47to this day at least,
07:49was to avoid a trial by jury,
07:51because I understand that the trial
07:53will be by jury, and therefore
07:55the fact that he has to witness it
07:57will undoubtedly be infinitely,
07:59I would say, more mobilizing for him.
08:01Yes, yes, the truth is that
08:03honestly I can't tell you
08:05what the strategy will be,
08:07but yes, obviously,
08:09it is a trial by jury,
08:11there are 8 popular jurors,
08:13well, we fully trust
08:15the justice, the jury,
08:17because the evidence
08:19shows completely
08:21what happened,
08:23that it was a murder,
08:25that it was a divorce,
08:27both give him a life sentence,
08:29so I trust that,
08:31in the justice above all.
08:33I was thinking, Marcelo,
08:35what you were just talking about,
08:37the issue of the signals,
08:39I remember that you had told us
08:41at that moment that you had not
08:43noticed any signal,
08:45did that change,
08:47that there was a lot of noise,
08:49and now, given what happened,
08:51why do you emphasize so much
08:53the issue of the signals?
08:55No, because,
08:57let's say,
08:59how could one have prevented this?
09:01We have spoken with psychologists,
09:03with psychiatrists,
09:05Of course, as a father,
09:07you say, I could have done something
09:09to prevent it,
09:11but the answer is not no,
09:13the answer is not no,
09:15it is difficult to detect a psychopath,
09:17it is difficult to detect,
09:19because they are,
09:21it is as if they camouflage themselves
09:23behind a personality,
09:25a good, nice person,
09:27and suddenly, of course,
09:29it is impossible, but yes,
09:31for example, later,
09:33with the newspaper on Monday,
09:35with stories that are going to come out
09:37in the trial,
09:39where there are witnesses,
09:41companions and others who say,
09:43yes, I was a friend,
09:45and she was telling me
09:47why I am with this friend
09:49and I am not with another friend,
09:51then, of course, but unfortunately,
09:53after what happened, right?
09:55They are small things.
09:57Of course, things that you see
09:59all together, and then what happened
10:01make sense, but at the time
10:03they did not attract attention,
10:05more than common things that happen
10:07between boys who are friends, right?
10:09Yes, Lu?
10:11I remember a story that you told us,
10:13where Catalina called him crying
10:15because she said that Nestor
10:17had made her cry because
10:19she had told him that she was a bad friend,
10:21because he had not gone to such a place,
10:23I don't know what he was complaining about,
10:25as if it were, I don't know what,
10:27then she felt bad,
10:29because she was such a good person,
10:31and such a good friend,
10:33she felt bad, then surely
10:35the boyfriend would say,
10:37but don't give him a shot,
10:39because they are sensitive,
10:41they tend to empathize with each other,
10:43because I remember that
10:45you had told here at DDM
10:47that he,
10:49let's say, somehow
10:51approached asking
10:53Catalina for help,
10:55as a person who had a hard time
10:57socializing more,
10:59and that he was constantly
11:01asking her for support.
11:03Yes, he was possessive.
11:05Yes, totally,
11:07totally possessive,
11:09obviously,
11:11with what later
11:13could be proven,
11:15but until that moment
11:17he was a colleague of the faculty,
11:19a good colleague,
11:21a friend considered by Catalina.
11:23No one could see this coming.
11:25The moment he came home,
11:27he was here, hello, bye,
11:29but I had no dialogue
11:31or deepened a subject,
11:33because the boys were in their things,
11:35he brought them to the faculty
11:37and he was calm because he said,
11:39it doesn't matter if he comes back with Néstor
11:41or he is with him,
11:43you will never imagine
11:45that something could come that way,
11:47it is impossible.
11:49How important is tomorrow
11:51for you as a family,
11:53Marcelo, what do you feel
11:55will happen to you when you see him there,
11:57you will have him next to you,
11:59you will look at him.
12:01Yes, the truth is that
12:03I could not tell you
12:05what will happen to me tomorrow
12:07because it is impossible.
12:09If you asked me before,
12:11what happens if one day
12:13your son dies, it is impossible.
12:15Until you live that moment,
12:17it is a terrible thing,
12:19you can't believe it.
12:21Tomorrow, I don't know what will happen,
12:23but what I want is to look at him,
12:25to be there in front of him
12:27and see how handsome he was
12:29what he did with my daughter,
12:31I want him to put his face
12:33and ask for justice.
12:35And face the consequences
12:37of his actions,
12:39because it gives the feeling
12:41that he would have denied
12:43what he did.
12:45And pretending to be crazy.
12:47And pretending to be crazy
12:49and lying, looking for her
12:51as if he did not know where she was.
12:53It is not easy to pretend to be crazy.
12:55That's why he did the last one,
12:57and it went wrong.
12:59He was a narcissist,
13:01egocentric,
13:03all the time talking about him.
13:05He said, I ruined my life.
13:07The victim to him.
13:11Marcelo, I send you
13:13a big hug for you,
13:15for your wife, for the family
13:17and we will be accompanying you in the process,
13:19doing justice by force for Catalina.
13:21I send you a big hug.
13:23Justice will come,
13:25and lies have short legs
13:27and the weight of the law will fall
13:29as it corresponds to the chain of perpetrators of femicide.
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