00:00The impact of yesterday's hearing...
00:03Yes.
00:04I have... I'm going to give you some questions later.
00:07No, you were telling me you had a very busy program today, right?
00:10Today was intense.
00:12Was it good?
00:13Yes, it was good.
00:14I was just listening to the minister.
00:16I don't like... I don't think of a note that doesn't belong to...
00:19Hey, the interviewee left.
00:23I would kindly invite him to read constitutional history.
00:27What the minister is saying is not correct in any way.
00:30First, there seems to be a...
00:34a huge constitutional sadness
00:37that was proposed to the son and to García Mancilla by decree.
00:41It's in the president's faculties.
00:44When the Senate doesn't work...
00:45The Senate starts working on Monday.
00:47I don't think...
00:48It's not correct that the Senate went to sleep.
00:51Something happens that I understand complicates the management of my law.
00:54They didn't accept what they wanted in the closed book.
00:57I mean, the Constitution has a tradition that says
01:00to appoint a judge, you need a special majority.
01:03If they don't appoint you this year, what happens?
01:05They leave.
01:07First, it's not correct that the court works worse with three magistrates.
01:11There is no statistical data that proves it.
01:13They have made the same number of mistakes as always.
01:15So it didn't work well with nine or seven.
01:18With nine...
01:19Because it can't be the same issue.
01:21Why?
01:22Because it's a matter of logic.
01:23If you have three members,
01:27it must be more difficult to get cases
01:29than if you have five or seven.
01:31This is correct.
01:32If there are nine, it's more difficult to get consensus.
01:35They have to turn the votes.
01:37But let's go to the statistics.
01:38How many mistakes did the court make with five or three?
01:42The same amount.
01:43So it's not true that the court works worse.
01:45Second, it seems to me a complication that the executive power
01:49tells another power how it works or not.
01:51Imagine that tomorrow Rosencrantz says
01:53that the executive power is working poorly.
01:56But that's historical in Argentina.
01:59Every government wants the court to determine the amount.
02:01It's true.
02:02It's a cheap thing.
02:04It should be fixed.
02:06But it can't be that one government wants seven,
02:09another wants five, another wants thirteen.
02:11But in that sense, the government of my law
02:13responds to what has happened with all the other governments.
02:15It's delirious.
02:16What worries me is...
02:17Except that nobility obliges.
02:20Particular institutional data.
02:22The Alfonsín court, because it came from the dictatorship.
02:26I'm not judging Kirchner's government.
02:29But the appointments of Argibay, Hayton, Zaffaroni
02:34were appointments that came out of the court
02:36of the automatic majority of Nazareno-MNM.
02:38And I remember that Patricia Ulrich supported that.
02:40Yesterday she said something else.
02:42Yes, that's what worries me.
02:44But why would they approve it?
02:48They're not going to approve it.
02:49They're not going to approve it.
02:50They haven't approved it yet.
02:51They already warned us that they're not going to approve it.
02:53Do you know how democracies work?
02:55Well, you don't have a consensus, because the constitution...
02:57You look for a plan B.
02:59You look for other members.
03:00Well, what Cunio and Oliverano were saying is that
03:02they were evaluating other possibilities.
03:04I don't know.
03:05What worries me is the end of the year.
03:10Because it's weird.
03:11If you're here for a year and then you go home.
03:13Yes, well, that's why the position of the son...
03:16Yes, they didn't renounce him.
03:18Which I think is very unwise.
03:22Aren't you with the dependency relationship?
03:24No, I think...
03:26Besides, I think there's something even deeper.
03:29Are they going to accept both of them being appointed by decree?
03:33Well, I think so, they accepted it.
03:35But, I mean, Dr. García Mancilla...
03:37He said no.
03:38He said no.
03:39But, I mean, he's a jurist, you know.
03:41Does it make constitutional noise for him to go to court by decree?
03:45Well, I think it's not illegal.
03:49No, it's not in the constitution.
03:52It's not the spirit of the constitution.
03:54But you risk that at the end of the year...
03:56Yes, and you risk ruining a curriculum...
04:00I'm talking about Mancilla, right?
04:02I don't have the pleasure of knowing him,
04:04but he's a man of a lot of academic tradition.
04:06Some say, hey, but appoint a conservative judge.
04:08That's an ideological detail that I'm not going to get into.
04:11I mean, the courts...
04:13In the United States, it's a classic.
04:15You appoint a liberal, you appoint a conservative.
04:17Now, I say, is Dr. García Mancilla going to accept?
04:20Well, yes, if he hadn't been appointed.
04:22He should have been consulted.
04:24I haven't heard about it.
04:26I suppose they would have consulted him.
04:28You sign a decree appointing a minister of the court without consulting him if he accepts.
04:33At the time, he said no.
04:35At the time, he said, no, I'm not going to accept by decree.
04:37He changed his mind.
04:39Will they appoint him on March 1st?
04:41The judges? I doubt it.
04:43I doubt it because there is an administrative process...
04:45He has to take oaths, right?
04:47First, the son has to accept the license or not, he would have to resign.
04:52No, I think, in terms of...
04:54I don't think they'll read it.
04:56But to say several things.
04:58It's not true that with three members the court works worse.
05:01There is no statistical data about it.
05:03It seems to me that the executive,
05:05I was just listening to Acuña, the executive,
05:07saying how it has to work.
05:09It's an intrusion of one power over the other.
05:11And what happens is that it's not true that the Senate fell asleep.
05:13The Senate didn't agree.
05:15Of course. This happens in democracies.
05:17It usually happens.
05:19What happens is that it didn't agree.
05:21It's true.
05:23Is it legal for you to appoint him by decree?
05:25It's legal. It's in the Constitution.
05:27And will it happen that the Senate will continue without agreeing?
05:29This is the problem.
05:31Are you going to be in court for a year?
05:33But it's not true that there were 11 presidents.
05:35No, there are many less.
05:37If you want, I'll look it up here.
05:39Macri never nominated...
05:41I mean, he proposed and then he retracted.
05:43I heard him say it with Majul, if I remember correctly.
05:45It was a mistake to have proposed by decree.
05:49So, nothing.
05:51Mitre, after the Civil War,
05:53Avellaneda, Juárez-Selman,
05:55and a quarter more...
05:57Avellaneda, I think. I don't remember.
05:59Is he wearing a suit?
06:01He asked me the same thing.
06:03He's talking to me about jurists, about the court.
06:05On top of a suit?
06:07Can't you answer?
06:09Could it be an unconscious person who told me to wear a suit?
06:11Lucia Salinas...
06:13Don't miss Lucia Salinas' analysis today.
06:15Yes, she was writing to me.
06:17It was impossible to read you, Lucia.
06:19She was listening to him.
06:21And she said to me, why is he wearing a suit?
06:23I don't know.
06:25I'm like...
06:27Because he's not Sacco.
06:29Well, Escuño wanted Toga.
06:31Do you remember?
06:33On his lawyer's side.
06:35And I brought a year of my life to see you with Toga.
06:37No, no.
06:39You see, there are a lot of countries that...
06:41But I don't know.
06:43Except that I stepped on a gum.
06:45There's a legal blow planned.
06:47For me, it's the wise unconscious
06:49that brought me to this side.
06:51Well, nothing.
06:53I was going to remind you Villaruel,
06:55but I didn't agree.
06:57Yes, I didn't agree.
06:59What does it say?
07:01It's your producer.
07:03They ask me if there's Toga.
07:05No, the commanders have...
07:07What's the name?
07:09Sometimes there is.
07:11There's Toga?
07:13Look.
07:15There it is.
07:17No, I think it's unnecessary.
07:19Unnecessary.
07:21We're on your show.
07:23No, we're leaving.
07:25It's the story of a deputy
07:27who was Chumpita in my city.
07:29Chumpitas, who said...
07:31Do you remember that last year
07:33he didn't go to the first session
07:35of Ficha Limpia?
07:37I don't remember.
07:39Do you remember?
07:41You watch TV channels.
07:43He has a new project.
07:45Do you have it there?
07:47Antidoping and Narcotics
07:49for Politics and Justice.
07:51It's not new.
07:53I remember.
07:55In San Luis, if I'm not mistaken.
07:57Yes.
07:59Deputy Chumpitas,
08:01why don't you legislate?
08:03And cancel the session.
08:05I'm legislating.
08:07When you have to cancel,
08:09you forget.
08:11I'm a lawyer.
08:13Something happened.
08:15You're never behind.
08:17Something happened.
08:19Is it bad?
08:21No, I won't come all the time.
08:23Do you like Mercedes Mendoza?
08:25Salinas likes her.
08:27I love her.
08:29I love her.
08:31If I didn't know
08:33that the court closes at 1pm,
08:35I'm convinced of that.
08:37I worked a long time as a lawyer.
08:39I'm going to present an amparo.
08:41He's doing Uber jobs.
08:45What is this?
08:47Narcotics.
08:49Stop working for the court.
08:53Generate what has to work.
08:55Stop meddling in other people's business.
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