Sinn Fein and Alliance criticise women’s group asking for single sex spaces

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00:00I agree on your submission on EU pay transparency directive. I think it's

00:07really important to keep bringing that up. I completely disagree with everything

00:11you say. We've had no gay supply beforehand and now it's no trans supply.

00:18I mean I think it's disgraceful to be frank. We're not saying it's no trans

00:23supply, we're saying trans people should have all the rights, the

00:27human rights that everybody else has. And then outline areas where trans people

00:33should not have access. No, trans people, women who are trans identified can

00:39still access female spaces, so we're not excluding trans people. We're excluding

00:44men from our from our single-sex spaces. Do you feel that there's no such thing as a

00:48trans man or trans woman? A trans woman is a man who presents and

00:57pretends to be a woman. A trans man is a woman who pretends and presents as a

01:03man. So trans men who are women, biologically, are not excluded because

01:10they're men. They're not excluded from their own spaces, from men's spaces.

01:15They're not excluded from those places where they legitimately can go,

01:20they're just wee big asses excluded from women's spaces.

01:25And I just feign, you know, the whole history of LGBTQ plus is about

01:32inclusion rather than exclusion and that's my big problem. So I'll say no more.

01:37Just one word that's being used regularly throughout all of this is the

01:42word pretend. The government provides gender recognition certificates. That

01:50doesn't say your gender has changed. The law says your sex has changed. Now you've

01:54highlighted heavily today this is about sex, male and female. The law says that.

02:00The Gender Recognition Act was was created because homosexuals could not

02:07marry. So two women couldn't marry and two men couldn't marry. So the way

02:11around that was to create a Gender Recognition Act where a man could change

02:17his gender and legal sex, it's a legal fiction, so that he could marry

02:22another man. Now that we have same-sex, you can look it up, you can roll your

02:27eyes, but you can look it up. I'm not rolling my eyes, I'm just incredulous. Yeah it is

02:31incredulous that that was made law before same-sex marriage was made law.

02:35And now we have same-sex marriage. There's no need for a Gender Recognition

02:39Act. Men could not marry men before the law changed, likewise women couldn't

02:43marry women. They could when they had a Gender Recognition Certificate because

02:47as you say, legally their sex changed. Yes, but that was not the purpose of

02:51having Gender Recognition Certificates. Can I add to that? I'm conscious I still have to bring Sinead in, but go ahead.

02:56No, go ahead, make your point quickly, thank you. With regard to the Gender

03:01Recognition Act and the associated Gender Recognition Certificates, it's

03:06important to bear in mind, very few trans people have a Gender Recognition

03:12Certificate, because the subsequent legislation has given them many proper

03:19rights, so the Gender Recognition Certificate really is irrelevant, it's

03:24not going to... Approximately 5,000 in the United Kingdom. I think, just to conclude Jess, I

03:30think I find the word, and it's not, I do, and I believe that many trans people will

03:35be traumatised by listening to this today, and they will be offended and

03:39traumatised by the use of the word pretend. Okay, thank you. Sinead, please.