00:00It has just happened, it has just been made official by the national government
00:05that the WHO, the World Health Organization, is withdrawing.
00:12And we are going to hear about this from the presidential spokesman, Manuel Adorni.
00:16That's what he said.
00:30Gerardo Huerti.
00:32The participation of Argentina in the World Health Organization
00:37is based on the profound differences,
00:41regarding, of course, health care management,
00:44especially during the pandemic,
00:46which, together with the government of Alberto Fernández,
00:48led us to the longest confinement in the history of humanity
00:51and to the lack of independence against the political influence of some states.
00:57Well, up to there, then, this sentence
01:01regarding the decision of the national government to leave the WHO,
01:07this international organization,
01:09and also in line with a decision that President Donald Trump made at the time.
01:16And on the subject of this, we have already communicated with Adrian Sack,
01:19working from the United States.
01:21Hello, Adrian.
01:22Hello, Adrian.
01:23Well, I imagine you are also surprised by the news or not.
01:27I don't know.
01:28We are on the line, as you just pointed out,
01:31of what has been happening there in the United States with Donald Trump,
01:37who already made this decision previously.
01:41How are you, Luciana?
01:42Look, the truth is that I would have to think
01:46if it surprises me or not.
01:48It surprises everything, actually.
01:50Because that Argentina has automatically joined
01:54a decision that has to do with a personal problem
01:59that Donald Trump had in his first term,
02:03when he just accused the World Health Organization
02:08of being dominated by China.
02:11China.
02:12He said that China had a very big interference.
02:15Remember that he called the coronavirus the China virus,
02:20that is, the Chinese virus,
02:22because it had been produced in a laboratory in China
02:25and it affected absolutely everyone.
02:27And it was a situation with which Donald Trump
02:30could never behave well,
02:33he could never control it,
02:35he could never dominate it,
02:36he could never give a message of tranquility to the population.
02:40On the contrary, at one point he said,
02:42I do not take responsibility for anything that has to do with COVID.
02:45And that was the turning point in Trump's popularity
02:49that ended in his electoral defeat
02:52and in the triumph of Joe Biden at that time.
02:54So, he just withdrew from the World Health Organization
02:59to stop exchanging,
03:02to stop being forced to exchange official health information,
03:07which here in the United States was disastrous,
03:09the data reconnection.
03:11Let's remember, well, I had to give it absolutely every day.
03:14Yes, of course, it was specific.
03:16It was not clear if it was at the Johns Hopkins University.
03:18Do you remember that you had an index populated by the other?
03:21With Fauci, right?
03:22There was, with Anthony Fauci,
03:24to whom...
03:25Enemy number one of Donald Trump.
03:27Exactly, Biden protected him.
03:32When he leaves power,
03:34he protects him with a decree of absolution
03:37and legal protection
03:39in case he wants to make him a trial.
03:41Why?
03:42Because, precisely, the whole conspiracy hub,
03:46which is the basis of Trump's election,
03:4930% approximately of his core,
03:52anti-vaccines, like the new Secretary of Health
03:55here in the United States, right?
03:57Who was elected by Donald Trump,
04:00who is, of course, exactly, Robert Kennedy Jr.,
04:03who does not believe in vaccines,
04:04who believes, for example, in conspiracy theories
04:07such as that vaccines cause autism in children,
04:10something that has absolutely no scientific support,
04:14or that contains graphene,
04:16which is a substance that was invented on the Internet
04:18and that many repeat on Twitter,
04:20saying that COVID vaccines had graphene and so on.
04:23Well, what happens?
04:25When you withdraw from the World Health Organization,
04:28you no longer have the obligation
04:31to exchange basic information
04:34with the United Nations,
04:36which Trump does not believe in either of his arms, right?
04:39Look at what he has also done with...
04:41They are all multilateral organizations
04:44that arise...
04:46We do not have to refer to the second half of the last century
04:49to understand where these organizations come from, right?
04:51Exactly.
04:52They arise post-World War II.
04:56Precisely...
04:57Exactly.
04:58After what had happened.
04:59Exactly.
05:00Precisely after what had happened.
05:01Of course.
05:02In 1948, the idea was to do exactly that,
05:05to consolidate the new world order.
05:09Of course, exactly.
05:10To avoid new wars,
05:12but also to bring the nations closer,
05:16to have common policies in the fight against diseases.
05:19Let's remember, at that time,
05:21polio was rampant, for example,
05:23which was really very, very serious,
05:26and it was thanks to a joint effort
05:29precisely by the different nations
05:31to contribute the best they had of science to each country
05:35to get a vaccine,
05:37which was finally discovered here.
05:39But anyway,
05:41precisely what Donald Trump wants in his policy
05:44is to get away from everything
05:46that has to do with the United Nations,
05:49because, according to his particular point of view,
05:53it limits the freedom of the Americans.
05:57Also in terms of, for example,
06:00the goals that corporations may have
06:03in producing carbon footprints,
06:05in polluting the air.
06:07That's why he also left the Paris Accords,
06:10which are directly dependent on the United Nations.
06:14Or now, for example,
06:16last night, the most recent,
06:18which proposes a massive displacement
06:21of Palestinians from the Gaza Strip,
06:24which is totally contrary
06:26to what has been agreed internationally
06:29to make two states,
06:31where Israel is currently,
06:33precisely a solution of two states,
06:35an Israeli state and a Palestinian state,
06:37which the United States also supported this initiative,
06:40even Biden, let's say,
06:42and, well, get out of everything
06:44that has to do with international organizations.
06:48But it's a personal issue of Trump.
06:50Not even the Republican Party, I'm going to tell you.
06:53That's why I was wondering
06:55if it surprises me that Argentina adheres,
06:57and the truth is that geopolitically
06:59there is no sense in what is done,
07:01but well, the government will give explanations about it.
07:04Yes, we will have to see, well,
07:06let's say, what they are,
07:08or listen carefully,
07:10go breaking the press conference
07:13of Manuel Adorni about this.
07:16The main argument has to do with,
07:19or at least one of the main arguments
07:21has to do with the costs that would imply
07:23for Argentina to continue to be part
07:26of this transnational health organization,
07:29which, as you say,
07:31gives guidelines in public health policy
07:34for the different countries.
07:36Advice or warnings,
07:39let's say, diseases are monitored,
07:43situations linked to issues
07:47that can affect world public health.
07:50Because we are in a world where
07:52there are so many back and forth,
07:54and we know it because we live it with COVID,
07:56so many back and forth of people
07:58as never before in the history of humanity.
08:01And obviously anything that happens in one place
08:04can spread,
08:06depending on the type of disease and so on,
08:08but it can spread to other areas.
08:10That's why that monitoring,
08:12that sort of, let's say,
08:15constant security check-up...
08:17Yes, also of exchange.
08:18Exactly, of exchange of information.
08:20Yes, between ministries.
08:22From provincial ministries,
08:24from national ministries,
08:26which is essential precisely
08:28to have, just as in the law
08:30there is the jurisprudence,
08:32in this case what we have
08:34is key information on how
08:36a virus develops, for example,
08:38how it affects, supposedly also with dengue,
08:40with chikungunya,
08:42with everything that can...
08:44Yes, of course, with endemic diseases.
08:46Chronic epidemics, of course, exactly,
08:48endemics,
08:50chronic endemics, because they are
08:52happening all the time,
08:54and it is vital, precisely,
08:56the scientific exchange
08:58between the different countries,
09:00which can be done at a private level,
09:02if you want, but it doesn't have the same level,
09:04you don't have the same infrastructure,
09:06let's say, especially in a country
09:08that has such a developed public health,
09:10in this case, at a private level
09:12it is more complicated to exchange
09:14information with other countries.
09:16Here, directly,
09:18do you remember that it is done, for example,
09:20through the University of Hopkins,
09:22John Hopkins, sorry, I'm stuck with that,
09:24but also through the CDC,
09:26the Centers for Disease Control,
09:28and now, well, here, precisely,
09:30the fact of leaving
09:32the World Health Organization
09:34allows you to have a health secretary,
09:36as we just said, Robert Kennedy Jr.,
09:38who can also,
09:40in his own way,
09:42make policies
09:44that are anti-vaccine,
09:46that are restricting
09:48the school vaccination calendar,
09:50for example.
09:52Or even,
09:54in other situations, let's say,
09:56not to pasteurize the milk.
09:58Not to pasteurize the milk.
10:00So daily for
10:02food, as is the issue
10:04of milk, right? Let's remember that it is one of the
10:06people in the United States
10:08who obviously has another role,
10:10because he is a public official
10:12of enormous scope.
10:14This issue
10:16of not having the obligation
10:18to pasteurize the milk
10:20when it is more than proven
10:22that it is indeed
10:24necessary, because many
10:26diseases can be transmitted, among others,
10:28for children,
10:30the hemolytic ebremic syndrome,
10:32which affects so many children,
10:34vulnerable populations,
10:36and children up to 5 or 6 years old.
10:38So, well, we will have to see, let's say,
10:40how this
10:42continues to develop.
10:44Yes, and we also have another issue,
10:46which is fluoride in water,
10:48the presence of fluoride in water,
10:50which also Robert Kennedy Jr.
10:52wants to remove. He says it is redundant,
10:54that it can lead to
10:56cancer or other diseases.
10:58That is not proven either.
11:00But, well, he wants to remove it.
11:02Fluoride in water, here in the United States,
11:04since 1946,
11:06is applied to reduce
11:08caries,
11:10but, well, here he also wants to remove it.
11:12These are measures that normally
11:14go against
11:16the international
11:18scientific standards,
11:20and, well, that is precisely
11:22what they want to achieve
11:24here in the United States.
11:26Well, being in the WHO, obviously,
11:28you don't have to pay taxes.
11:30Exactly.
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