- 10 months ago
Raksasa teknologi Apple sedang berusaha mencairkan hambatan berupa TKDN atau Tingkat Komponen Dalam Negeri yang menghadang peredaran iPhone 16 di Indonesia. Namun Menteri Perindustrian Agus Gumiwang Kartasasmita menyatakan komitmen investasi Apple membangun fasilitas produksi AirTag di Batam dengan investasi USD 1 juta dolar atau Rp16 triliun, tidak menjadikan produk terbarunya iPhone 16 bisa masuk ke pasar domestik.
Agus mengatakan hal tersebut karena investasi yang digelontorkan Apple tidak berkaitan langsung dengan proses pembuatan handphone, komputer genggam, dan tablet (HKT) dalam ketentuan untuk mendapatkan sertifikasi Tingkat Komponen Dalam Negeri (TKDN) yang diatur dalam Peraturan Menteri Perindustrian (Permenperin) Nomor 29 Tahun 2017 Tentang Ketentuan dan Tata Cara Penghitungan Nilai TKDN.
Ia mengatakan dalam negosiasi yang dilakukan antara tim teknis Kemenperin dengan Apple yang dilakukan terdahulu, pihak Apple sudah menyampaikan proposal pemenuhan sertifikasi TKDN melalui skema ketiga yakni inovasi, namun angka yang ditawarkan oleh perusahaan raksasa tersebut belum sesuai dengan empat prinsip berkeadilan yang ditetapkan.
Adapun empat prinsip tersebut: pertama, perbandingan investasi Apple di negara lain seperti Vietnam dan India. Kedua, perbandingan investasi produsen HKT lain di Indonesia seperti Samsung, Huawei, dan Xiaomi. Ketiga ialah nilai tambah dan pendapatan bagi Indonesia, serta keempat dan terpenting bagaimana penyerapan tenaga kerjanya.
Agus mengatakan hal tersebut karena investasi yang digelontorkan Apple tidak berkaitan langsung dengan proses pembuatan handphone, komputer genggam, dan tablet (HKT) dalam ketentuan untuk mendapatkan sertifikasi Tingkat Komponen Dalam Negeri (TKDN) yang diatur dalam Peraturan Menteri Perindustrian (Permenperin) Nomor 29 Tahun 2017 Tentang Ketentuan dan Tata Cara Penghitungan Nilai TKDN.
Ia mengatakan dalam negosiasi yang dilakukan antara tim teknis Kemenperin dengan Apple yang dilakukan terdahulu, pihak Apple sudah menyampaikan proposal pemenuhan sertifikasi TKDN melalui skema ketiga yakni inovasi, namun angka yang ditawarkan oleh perusahaan raksasa tersebut belum sesuai dengan empat prinsip berkeadilan yang ditetapkan.
Adapun empat prinsip tersebut: pertama, perbandingan investasi Apple di negara lain seperti Vietnam dan India. Kedua, perbandingan investasi produsen HKT lain di Indonesia seperti Samsung, Huawei, dan Xiaomi. Ketiga ialah nilai tambah dan pendapatan bagi Indonesia, serta keempat dan terpenting bagaimana penyerapan tenaga kerjanya.
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00:00Indonesia's Investment in Technology
00:13Yes, Mr. Mirza, the government firmly gives a binding order
00:16for the US technology giant Apple Inc.
00:20And in front of the Minister of Industry,
00:22Apple Inc. only invests 16 trillion rupiah in Indonesia.
00:26The value of this investment is very small
00:29compared to the investment of Apple in Vietnam
00:32which reached 256 trillion rupiah.
00:39Apple Inc. through the Vice President of Global Policy, Apple,
00:42Ning Aman and his team
00:44finally came to the Ministry of Industry
00:46to negotiate the continuation of the sale of Apple products in Indonesia.
00:51The Minister of Industry, Agus Gumiwang Kertasasmita, said
00:54in the negotiation, his party does not set a time limit
00:57on the results of the negotiation and is more in line with the agreement.
01:03Agus said in this negotiation with Apple,
01:05Apple Inc. formed a technical team
01:07led by Dirjen Industri Logam,
01:09machines, transportation and electronics
01:12while the meeting with Apple Inc. was only 30 minutes.
01:16Moreover, Agus said,
01:17now it has become the concern of the public
01:19so the government encourages Apple to develop
01:21manufacturing facilities in Indonesia.
01:24The time frame that we set
01:29can be today,
01:31can be tonight,
01:32can be tomorrow,
01:33can be next week,
01:35can be next month.
01:37So, we do not set a time target.
01:42What we set the target is the subsidy.
01:45But it's already in the proposal, right?
01:47What?
01:48The proposal.
01:49Yes, it's already in the proposal.
01:50So, what will be discussed later.
01:51We have received the official proposal yesterday.
01:54Yesterday, on January 6th, officially.
01:58The official letter from Apple.
02:00Yes, I received it yesterday.
02:02Agus emphasized in the discussion,
02:03the government continues to put forward
02:05four justifications that must be fulfilled by Apple
02:08if it wants to plant investment in Indonesia.
02:11Starting from Apple's investment in other countries,
02:13the investment of other HKT producers outside Apple in Indonesia,
02:17the creation of additional value and income for Indonesia,
02:19as well as the absorption of labor in the ecosystem.
02:23After the meeting with the Ministry of Industry,
02:25Nick Amal left the office without giving a statement.
02:31This is a big statement about the result of the negotiation.
02:35How is it?
02:36How is the progress?
02:37It's a great discussion.
02:39Great discussion.
02:40Commission, commission, commission.
02:42How much do you offer?
02:44How much do you offer?
02:46From Jakarta in Ciah IDX Channel.
02:55Yes, our topic this time is
02:57the implementation of Apple's investment in Indonesia.
02:59We have been connected via Zoom
03:01with Mrs. Diah Ayu Febriani.
03:03She is a Senior Digital Economy Analyst.
03:05Hello, Mrs. Diah. How are you?
03:08Hello, Mr. Praas.
03:09I'm fine. Thank you. I'm fine.
03:11Yes, thank you for your time, Mrs. Diah.
03:13And we are joined by Mr. Tesar Sandika Pura.
03:16He is the Chairperson of Indonesia Digital Empowering Community.
03:19Hello, Mr. Tesar. How are you?
03:22I'm fine, Mr. Praas. Thank you.
03:24Yes, thank you for your time.
03:26And before we discuss further,
03:28how is your review of the current investment climate in Indonesia?
03:33Especially for foreign investment in the technology sector.
03:36You have mentioned the delivery package just now.
03:39It seems that this has become a hot topic
03:43related to Apple's investment in Indonesia.
03:47That's right, Mr. Praas.
03:49This is a hot topic right now in the region,
03:53especially in Southeast Asia,
03:55where Vietnam and the Philippines are currently a big body
03:58to invest in the technology and digital economy sector.
04:02Whereas 80% of the investment in the digital economy sector
04:07in Indonesia is based on foreign investment.
04:10In my opinion,
04:12from 2023 to 2024,
04:15in the last three quarters,
04:17the growth rate of foreign investment in Indonesia
04:21is lower than that in Vietnam.
04:23That's how it is.
04:24And we also need to know why this can happen.
04:28Because we know that there is ICER,
04:31which stands for Incremental Capital Output Ratio.
04:33The rate of capital investment in Indonesia
04:37is higher than that in Malaysia, the Philippines, and Vietnam,
04:41which indicates that it is less efficient
04:44for foreign investors to enter Indonesia.
04:47That's how it is for now.
04:50Okay, that might be one of the basics.
04:52But if we look at the development of conditions in Indonesia,
04:56from your point of view,
04:58how is digitalization, the use or use of digital technology,
05:02such as mobile phones, gadgets, and so on?
05:09Hello?
05:11Mr. Tesar?
05:12Yes.
05:13Sorry, can you repeat the question?
05:15Yes.
05:16In relation to the information that was just said,
05:18how is the investment climate,
05:20how is the use of digital products,
05:23such as mobile phone technology, gadgets, and so on,
05:26in Indonesia,
05:27compared to before,
05:28that Apple is still far behind
05:31in terms of investment in a number of other countries?
05:33Because Indonesia has already reached 16 trillion,
05:36even though this is still in the negotiation process.
05:40Yes.
05:41In relation to the use of technology in Indonesia,
05:43maybe in Indonesia,
05:45it can be said that Apple users are still not as significant
05:50as Android users.
05:52But of course we know that Apple's segment is premium,
05:56it is not defeated enough by its rivals,
05:59maybe Samsung.
06:00So if we play in premium,
06:02of course Apple will be the king.
06:04But if we talk in general,
06:05Apple is only about 10%,
06:07a maximum of 20% in Indonesia.
06:09Of course, this Indonesian market is quite wide,
06:11so there are a lot of factors that affect
06:14whether Apple will still be the primary donor in Indonesia
06:17or can switch to other brands.
06:20This also affects the lifestyle,
06:23especially children of Gen Z,
06:27or maybe now starting to Gen Alpha,
06:29which may be quite strong
06:32in terms of the use of technology in the cellular world.
06:36From the perspective of the latest use of technology,
06:38in your opinion, with the current young generation,
06:40does it eventually become the main reference?
06:43Does it become their attraction and lifestyle?
06:47Yes, in my opinion,
06:49children today,
06:51especially Gen Z and Gen Alpha,
06:54tend to be quite sensitive to price.
06:57So they also do efficiency in their sales,
07:01unlike maybe millennial children
07:05or baby boomers,
07:06who are not too influenced by the price.
07:09So I see that
07:11Apple will be quite influenced by the current generation,
07:15they just look at the functionality.
07:18For example, the battery is not worn out,
07:20the speed is okay, stable,
07:22and of course the price becomes one of the parameters
07:25that is quite taken into account by children now.
07:28Okay, functionality.
07:29This is interesting.
07:30So how do you see it?
07:32The market share,
07:34earlier you said 10 to 20 percent,
07:37Apple in Indonesia.
07:39Meanwhile, there is a shift from the Gen Z side,
07:42then Alpha,
07:44which is more interested in functional elements.
07:48Do you think the market share is really sexy
07:51for Apple-class companies, for example,
07:54to invest in Indonesia?
07:57Okay, Mr. Tas.
07:58If it's sexy, it's quite competitive,
08:00especially in Indonesia.
08:01Because Apple will not let Indonesia go
08:04as their market share.
08:05Because we know now,
08:07Apple's market share in Indonesia is 12 percent.
08:10So there is a lot of use for Gen Z devices
08:13compared to other devices,
08:15such as tablets or computers themselves.
08:17But these markets are the fourth highest market
08:21among all of Asia.
08:23The first is China, Taiwan, and Japan,
08:26the fourth is Indonesia.
08:28Larger than other countries.
08:30So this is still a calculation for Apple
08:32to invest its money in Indonesia.
08:36But we know that the Indonesian government
08:39doesn't just want to do R&D,
08:42or the development of Indonesia's education skills.
08:44But Indonesia wants to have a factory
08:47that not only produces LTE,
08:50but also meets the needs of mobile phones,
08:52tablets, and also laptops themselves.
08:55Okay, it may be related to
08:57how the creation of workplaces there
08:59with them opening a factory in Indonesia.
09:02As if we are attracting investment
09:05in other sectors,
09:06such as automotive and so on.
09:09That's right.
09:11So Indonesia is asking Apple
09:13to invest more,
09:15like in Vietnam,
09:17Rp255 trillion.
09:19But why only in Indonesia,
09:21Rp15.9 trillion?
09:22If in Vietnam,
09:24you can attract investment
09:26as big as Rp255 trillion
09:28that opens up a workforce
09:30as big as 200,000 local workers,
09:32if Indonesia gets Rp15.9 trillion,
09:35it will open up a workforce
09:37for 12,000 local workers.
09:39Not only local workers,
09:41but it will also increase
09:43national income
09:45from manufacturing, semiconductor,
09:47and also from local products
09:49that will later be used
09:51for fabrication in Indonesia.
09:54Okay.
09:55Well, Mr. Testa,
09:56given the fact that Indonesia is still quite sexy,
09:59what should be done
10:01from the government,
10:03or maybe from Apple,
10:05when the negotiations are underway,
10:08do you see that the urgency is quite big right now?
10:11Yes.
10:12So if I look at it from the government's point of view,
10:15the government has to be independent.
10:17Why did Vietnam,
10:19with our neighbors,
10:20become the prime minister instead of us?
10:22And I see this,
10:23especially from the government,
10:25they don't do a thorough investigation.
10:28Is the main reason
10:30why Apple doesn't want
10:32to invest more in Indonesia?
10:35For me, there are many factors.
10:37One of them is the problem of our skills,
10:40as technology workers,
10:43especially in the electronic world.
10:46Then secondly,
10:47the problem of the supply chain,
10:49which may be further,
10:51so that the supply chain is longer.
10:53And lastly,
10:54I'm a bit worried about our bureaucracy,
10:56which is still quite messy.
10:58I want to see from the government first,
11:01whether they have been compared to Vietnam,
11:04for example,
11:05that Indonesia is not worthy of
11:07why Apple still sees Vietnam
11:11as the prime minister besides Indonesia.
11:13Maybe that's what we need to see first.
11:16Yes, yes, yes.
11:17Again, Celius,
11:18how do you see it,
11:19from your point of view,
11:21should the regulations still be implemented,
11:23or how?
11:24Remember earlier,
11:25there was the SDM skill,
11:26then the supply chain.
11:27What do you think,
11:28from your point of view,
11:29Mr. Tesar?
11:31That's right, Mr. Kembali.
11:32We have a similar idea.
11:33The incremental,
11:35the incremental itself,
11:36from the capital itself,
11:38why is Indonesia called inefficient
11:40for foreign investors.
11:41The first thing is,
11:42we know that throughout 2023
11:44and the last 2024,
11:46there have been three changes
11:48in the rules related to imports,
11:51which will require investors
11:54to adjust the regulations in Indonesia.
11:56The second thing is,
11:57there are still a lot of foreign investors
12:00who are at the point of
12:02issuing the investment certification itself,
12:05which should be a
12:07shortcut for the government
12:09to immediately add,
12:10in other words,
12:11it should be immediately improved,
12:12the quality should be improved.
12:13And also,
12:14the regulations are brief.
12:16We know that
12:17there are a lot of regulations
12:19between the central government
12:20and regional governments
12:21that have not been implemented until now.
12:23For example,
12:24the central government makes it easier.
12:25But there are also a lot of regional governments
12:27who are still in a hurry,
12:28taking a long time,
12:29so they will inform
12:31local production
12:32to be absorbed in the investment itself.
12:34Wow,
12:35so the structural challenges
12:36still seem to be a problem.
12:38Maybe it's not just for
12:39Apple-class companies,
12:40maybe it's for other companies
12:42according to you.
12:44That's right, Mas.
12:46Well, with conditions like this,
12:47what should we do
12:49if we can attract
12:51more foreign investments
12:53to win their funds in Indonesia?
12:55Meanwhile,
12:56we are also hoping
12:57how it can be
12:58the driving force of Indonesia's economy,
13:00the absorption of labor in Indonesia.
13:02Meanwhile,
13:03there are several other sectors,
13:04well, automotive,
13:05with various policies, incentives,
13:07tax incentives provided.
13:09What about technology itself?
13:11From your point of view.
13:13Okay, Mas.
13:14For this technology itself,
13:15we must know that
13:16the Human Capital Index in Indonesia
13:18is still low compared to
13:20Singapore, Malaysia,
13:21and Vietnam itself.
13:23Okay.
13:24Compared to Thailand itself.
13:26So,
13:27the government,
13:28in addition to having to
13:29regulate
13:31and provide tax incentives
13:33and tax benefits,
13:34we have to prepare
13:35the human capital
13:36in Indonesia
13:37to be more active
13:38in the advancement of technology,
13:41not just
13:42providing education,
13:43field training,
13:44but also
13:45have to
13:46get into
13:47super sophisticated technology training
13:49that will be
13:50invested by Apple.
13:51So,
13:52first,
13:53the payment
13:54or remuneration
13:55of Indonesia
13:56is still competing
13:57with foreign human resources
13:58in the countries
13:59towards Apple itself.
14:01And second,
14:02Apple is very,
14:03very
14:04compliant
14:05with the existence
14:06of green supply chains.
14:07Does Indonesia
14:08currently have
14:09a green supply chain regulation
14:11that can attract them?
14:12No.
14:13We invest
14:14more than
14:15Vietnam and Indonesia
14:16because Indonesia promises
14:18many regulations
14:19that are
14:20very
14:21compliant
14:22with the decisions
14:23of Apple itself.
14:24That's it.
14:25Okay.
14:26Interesting.
14:27And this is for the development
14:28of SDM skills.
14:29We will discuss
14:30this in the next segment.
14:31Mr. Tesar,
14:32Ms. Diya,
14:33we will take a short break.
14:34And, Mr. Mirsa,
14:35we will be right back
14:36after this.
14:50Yes,
14:51you are still watching
14:52Market Review.
14:53In the next segment,
14:54we will be sharing
14:55data for you
14:56regarding
14:57how Apple
14:58is winning
14:59their investments
15:00in a number of
15:01Asian countries.
15:02Here is the comparison.
15:03Vietnam,
15:04256 trillion rupiah.
15:07Meanwhile,
15:08Singapore,
15:094 trillion rupiah.
15:10And India,
15:1123.8 trillion rupiah.
15:14Meanwhile,
15:15Indonesia,
15:16as mentioned earlier,
15:17around 16 trillion rupiah.
15:18It is expected
15:19to be even higher.
15:21Next,
15:22the government's
15:23consideration
15:24for Apple's investment
15:25is related to
15:26the comparison
15:27of Apple's investment
15:28in other countries.
15:29Then,
15:30the comparison
15:31of the investment
15:32of other gadget producers
15:33in Indonesia,
15:34the added value
15:35and income
15:36for Indonesia,
15:37as well as
15:38the absorption
15:39of labor.
15:40So,
15:41there are various considerations
15:42related to
15:43Apple's investment
15:44in Indonesia.
15:45Then,
15:46how about
15:47iPhone sales
15:48in Indonesia
15:49in the third quarter
15:50of 2024?
15:51Some brands
15:52that are quite familiar
15:53are used
15:54by the people
15:55in Indonesia.
15:56Meanwhile,
15:57this iPhone
15:58occupies
15:59around 12.4%
16:00of the total
16:01sales market
16:02in Indonesia
16:03compared to
16:04other brands
16:06and other
16:07phone sales
16:08producers.
16:09Okay,
16:10those are
16:11some data
16:12that we have provided.
16:13We will continue
16:14the discussion
16:15with Mr. Tesar Sandikapura,
16:16the founder of
16:17Indonesia Digital
16:18Empowering Community,
16:19and also
16:20Ms. Diah Ayu Febriani,
16:21the economist
16:22of Digital Sales.
16:23Well,
16:24with the data
16:25that we have provided,
16:26it is also interesting
16:27if we compare
16:28with Mr. Tesar.
16:29We will see
16:30the iPhone sales
16:31market
16:32is 12.4%.
16:33Then,
16:34some investments
16:35in Vietnam,
16:36Singapore,
16:37India,
16:38and other countries
16:39are also
16:40relatively
16:41below
16:42India
16:43and even
16:44below
16:45Vietnam.
16:46So,
16:47how do you see
16:48the skill challenge
16:49that Ms. Diah
16:50mentioned earlier,
16:51Mr. Tesar?
16:52Yes,
16:53that's right.
16:54So,
16:55our human capital
16:56for technology
16:57is still
16:58low.
16:59And this
17:00may be
17:01started
17:02from the beginning.
17:03It can be said
17:04that the
17:05result
17:06of the
17:07employees
17:08is usually
17:09the campus.
17:10Maybe
17:11this is what
17:12the government
17:13should focus
17:14on
17:15so that
17:16we can
17:17produce
17:18digital talents
17:19especially
17:20in the
17:21digital world.
17:22It's a bit
17:23different.
17:24Apple is
17:25related to
17:26electronics,
17:27not IT
17:28at all.
17:29So,
17:30this may
17:31be
17:32a task
17:33for
17:34research
17:35to do
17:36a kind of
17:37synergy
17:38to the
17:39campus
17:40and industry
17:41related
17:42to how
17:43we can
17:44produce
17:45digital talents
17:46especially
17:47electronics.
17:48That's one.
17:49The second
17:50is the
17:51tight cooperation
17:52between the
17:53industry and
17:54the campus.
17:55What I see
17:56is that
17:57it's not
17:58clear yet.
17:59The last
18:00is the
18:01technology itself
18:02to make
18:03electronics
18:04or microprocessors
18:05or chips.
18:06We need
18:07a lot of
18:08labs
18:09that are
18:10high-tech.
18:11I think
18:12this is
18:13still far
18:14from
18:15our ability.
18:16That's what
18:17I see.
18:18But,
18:19isn't this
18:20an opportunity
18:21for Indonesia
18:22to transfer
18:23technology and
18:24so on?
18:25That's right.
18:26That's why
18:27I said
18:28if we are
18:29aware of
18:30our weaknesses
18:31and we
18:32focus on
18:33the problems
18:34we have
18:35before we
18:36claim our
18:37rights
18:38to others,
18:39it will be
18:40interesting.
18:41We can
18:42beat
18:43Apple in
18:44this.
18:45We have
18:46the ability
18:47and other
18:48industries will
18:49follow.
18:50So,
18:51if we can
18:52beat
18:53Apple,
18:54we can
18:55guide
18:56Indonesia
18:57to other
18:58technologies
18:59like
19:00electric cars
19:01and so on.
19:02There will
19:03be
19:04more
19:05investors.
19:06Why?
19:07Because
19:08Apple is
19:09already
19:10a
19:11technology
19:12that
19:13we
19:14need.
19:15That's
19:16right.
19:17I agree
19:18with
19:19what you said
19:20before.
19:21The first
19:22thing
19:23is
19:24skill.
19:25We
19:26need
19:27skill
19:28and
19:29we
19:30need
19:31innovation.
19:32We
19:33need
19:34innovation
19:35and
19:36we
19:37need
19:38innovation
19:39from
19:40technology.
19:42We have to
19:43understand
19:44that
19:45Rambi Fund
19:47and
19:48fund
19:49from
19:50UNHCR
19:51is only
19:520.28%.
19:53Lower than
19:54Shiank Tang,
19:55and
19:56Singapore.
19:57We
19:58need to
19:59demand
20:01development
20:02so the
20:03Rambi Fund
20:04has a
20:05better
20:06skill,
20:07...opportunity for our human resources to increase their competencies...
20:11...in manufacturing high-tech technologies such as semiconductors and chips...
20:17...which will be the basis of the smartphone component itself.
20:21Whereas we know that Indonesia can become a big market...
20:25...to fill the semiconductor market in ASEAN...
20:30...which is worth more than US$3 billion.
20:34This must be taken into account by the government...
20:36...especially in the ratio of resources and development of semiconductors.
20:40Okay, so with the current fundamental conditions in Indonesia...
20:47...will the process of Apple's investment in Indonesia take a long time?
20:55We think it will take a long time and it will be expensive...
20:59...because Apple cannot provide the same value as Vietnam...
21:03...if the regulation conditions, opportunities for human resources...
21:06...and the ratio of human resources...
21:10...cannot meet the expectations of Apple...
21:14...especially with the supply chain and development of local competencies.
21:18Okay, so with the current conditions...
21:22...what should the government do?
21:25Should they just accept the value offered by Apple?
21:31Or is there still a chance for us to get a higher value?
21:34At least above India, for example.
21:38We are optimistic that there will be new opportunities...
21:42...so that Apple will not only use innovation development schemes...
21:46...to invest in Indonesia...
21:47...but also build its own manufacturing public...
21:50...as long as there is simplification of regulations and permits for Indonesia...
21:54...as well as legal certainty for Apple to invest a certain amount of capital in Indonesia...
21:59...especially in the fulfillment of the Green Energy supply chain.
22:03In order to do that, there must be long-term steps...
22:07...for harmonization of regulations...
22:09...but I think Indonesia is capable of advancing and implementing those things.
22:14Okay, Tesar.
22:16With the current conditions...
22:19...how do you see the potential of Indonesia's investment in the future?
22:23Just like other technology companies...
22:25...apart from Apple, for example...
22:27...do they face the current conditions?
22:31Yes, that's right.
22:32So, this is a barometer.
22:34If we fail to do what Apple did...
22:37...of course other competitors or investors...
22:40...will be a bit doubtful about their investment in Indonesia.
22:45And this is what I think...
22:47...maybe Cameron Perrin should open a more detailed dialogue with Apple...
22:51...especially...
22:52...whether or not Apple is doubtful enough to make a big investment.
22:57And Indonesia has a sort of short-term strategy...
23:01...so that next year, for example...
23:03...I want to increase by 20% from last year.
23:05Of course, what we have to do to improve is in our internal side.
23:10So, Indonesia will open up...
23:12...and it also performs a kind of key performance intake for their internal side towards Apple.
23:17So, we win-win.
23:18So, when we meet a certain parameter in front of Apple...
23:21...of course next year, we can make a much bigger investment.
23:25We don't have to force it...
23:27...but from our internal side, there is no short-term improvement...
23:32...so that Apple will be more confident in their investment in Indonesia.
23:36We can't do this.
23:37Apple will definitely want to make a profit.
23:39We can't build an investment...
23:42...that will make their profit insignificant.
23:45Okay, so it's a step-by-step...
23:47...if I may say...
23:48...how Apple invests in Indonesia.
23:51Celio, what do you think?
23:53Is this one of the middle path...
23:55...that the government might take...
23:58...if we also prepare the infrastructure...
24:01...ecosystem, and Indonesia's own SDM?
24:06That's right.
24:07Apple is a showcase investment for Indonesia...
24:10...to open up opportunities for investors from other countries.
24:14We have three investment schemes in Indonesia...
24:17...manufacturing, technology innovation, and application.
24:23But Apple Inc. and Microsoft don't have...
24:26...a bigger manufacturing scheme in Indonesia.
24:29I hope that as time goes by...
24:31...I agree with Mr. Mesar...
24:33...we have to open up and negotiate.
24:36We can't be like...
24:39...I want to win.
24:41We have to find our own solution...
24:43...and improve the regulations...
24:46...and how Indonesia can...
24:50...standardize globally...
24:52...for the development of investors.
24:54It's important to be done...
24:56...along with the showcase investment.
25:00That's right.
25:01We'll see how the government...
25:04...innovates from the Ministry of Industry...
25:07...and other related parties...
25:10Apple is comfortable...
25:12...investing in Indonesia.
25:15As Mr. Tesar said...
25:17...they want to win...
25:20...when investing in a country like Indonesia.
25:24Thank you, Mr. Tesar...
25:26...for the information.
25:28Thank you for the latest updates...
25:31...on the technology world...
25:34...policies and regulations...
25:36...regarding technology investment.
25:41Stay healthy and see you again.
25:44Thank you, Mr. Tesar.
25:49Thank you, Mr. Tesar.
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