"Negotiations at a Standstill, No Progress Made," Irfan Siddiqui

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00:00Sir, Mr. Irfan, first of all, if we talk about the current status,

00:06would it be right to say that as we speak this dialogue is a victim of a deadlock?

00:16Thank you very much, Mr. Abadami.

00:19It may be difficult to say that it is a victim of a deadlock,

00:25but it is a kind of a deadlock,

00:28and we should have moved forward at a good pace after 23rd December,

00:37but we could not.

00:39You see, we have come to 6th or 7th December,

00:43but the matters have remained where they were on 23rd December.

00:48There has been no progress.

00:50The fundamental thing from which the work was to begin was a document,

00:55a charter of demands, which they agreed in the first meeting,

00:59which they agreed in the second meeting,

01:01which is present in the joint announcements of both the meetings,

01:06that has not come forward yet.

01:09The story has to start from there,

01:11that what are they saying?

01:14See, for example, to say that someone should be released.

01:17We have different opinions on the matter of release.

01:20They say that they are not saying to the government

01:23to release them from the executive order or to do something.

01:26We are saying, someone is saying that we are saying

01:29that the process of courts should be rectified,

01:32the process of prosecution should not be hindered,

01:35bail should be allowed.

01:37Others are not saying this.

01:39The third thing that has come to our attention,

01:41is that they should be released.

01:43There is no talk of any other right or left.

01:46The case is not in the court of Mr. Nawaz Sharif,

01:50it is in the courts.

01:52So, when they say to you that you should be released,

01:54what do they say about it?

01:56How exactly?

01:58See, when they will bring this to us in writing,

02:02then these questions will arise.

02:04Even though they were asked in the first meeting,

02:07that when you say to leave the government,

02:10you yourself have been in the government for four and a half years,

02:14and the people sitting in front of you,

02:17from Mr. Dar, from me, from Mr. Rana,

02:20all of them have been in jails for a little while,

02:23a little longer, but they have been there.

02:25And all of them have come out of some process.

02:28There have been bails, there have been court proceedings,

02:31there have been cases, there has been acquittal.

02:33No one has been released under any executive order.

02:37So, now if we release them,

02:40then guide us, guide us,

02:43guide us in some way,

02:45guide us in some way,

02:47guide us in some way.

02:49We expect that when they bring the demands in writing,

02:52then they will also tell us in some way,

02:55that these are the ways by which you can do this work.

02:58Because so far, their statements have not been in accordance.

03:03Some say that our aim is not to release the government.

03:07Others say that the government should be released,

03:09because the government has locked them up in the wrong way.

03:12So, as long as they do not have an opinion,

03:14they do not have an opinion,

03:16it is very difficult for us to form an opinion, Mr. Badami.

03:18Sir, I think you have already answered my next question.

03:21My next question was that one opinion came from there too.

03:24Mr. Qaisar said in a TV program that

03:26the meaning of which is that

03:28why are you so insistent on bringing it in writing?

03:32Whatever we have said in the committee,

03:34it is a number in the form of minutes.

03:36These are our demands.

03:37Why are you so insistent that the demand should be written?

03:40My answer is the same.

03:41You are saying that if one thing has not been done,

03:43then what do you think is the real demand?

03:45Am I right?

03:46No.

03:47The first thing is that this is not a matter of our insistence.

03:52This is a matter of their statement.

03:54They have signed this statement twice and given it to us.

03:58That we are bringing in writing.

04:00We are bringing in writing.

04:01They went out and said to the media

04:03that we are bringing in writing next time.

04:05Therefore, they should pay attention to their statement.

04:08They should leave our insistence.

04:10We did not have any insistence from them.

04:12They have brought in their things twice with pleasure.

04:15Therefore, they should pay attention to their statement.

04:19If you see,

04:20the press release that was issued in the first agreement,

04:23they say the same thing in that too.

04:25They say the same thing in the second too.

04:27It happened through agreement.

04:28There is a debate on each word.

04:29There is a debate on sentences.

04:30They agree, so we write.

04:32So when all this happened,

04:34at that time, Asad Qaisar Sahib was present in both the meetings.

04:37He did not even say a sentence that

04:39what kind of writing are you talking about?

04:41Whatever we have said is the same writing.

04:43This stance that they are giving after two meetings,

04:46they did not give it during the two meetings.

04:48And these are the things that mislead the trust.

04:52And these are the things that make the negotiations fast.

04:56And these are the things that

04:58if we talk tomorrow, then we will talk.

05:00I don't know whether they stay on it or not.

05:03And if this is the same opinion from our side,

05:05then they will doubt us.

05:07I don't know whether the government will stay or not.

05:09Sir, if you have no objection to all this,

05:11then at least Mr. Irfan, are you surprised

05:13that why is it so late?

05:14It should have been postponed.

05:16Even if it is not postponed,

05:18but the matters should have progressed

05:20at a natural pace, right?

05:22After 23rd, on 2nd January,

05:24when our meeting took place,

05:26after 2nd January, Atul should not have come.

05:29Now see, we are not meeting.

05:32Neither are we meeting Nawaz Sharif daily,

05:34nor are we meeting the Prime Minister daily,

05:36nor are we meeting the People's Party daily,

05:38nor are we meeting the MQM daily,

05:40nor are we meeting the BAP daily,

05:42we are not meeting anyone.

05:44He says that we are,

05:46he used two more words,

05:48that we are communicators and facilitators.

05:52That is, his committee is only working

05:54on communication and facilitation.

05:56All the decisions have to be made by Mr. Khan.

05:58And if there are only two or three demands

06:00that he is saying,

06:02then tell Mr. Khan to dictate to us.

06:05What should we write and give there?

06:07The matter will end.

06:09Now what is the point of meeting him every day?

06:12And when he will meet every day,

06:14then there are administrative matters,

06:16the Ministry of Internal Affairs is requested,

06:18the Ministry of Internal Affairs processes,

06:20it takes time,

06:22then the time is fixed,

06:24there are security issues,

06:26the postponement in that,

06:28that is, the postponement in the meeting

06:30goes to the Ministry of Internal Affairs.

06:32As of now, the third meeting,

06:34our third session,

06:36we do not know its date.

06:38And that date was also fixed

06:40that the PTI has to give

06:42when he meets Mr. Khan.

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