00:00I mean, I've talked to Idris about this and that the fact is, this is almost is his bond.
00:05It is his bond.
00:09Hey, Josh Ali for Narsity.
00:20Hi, Andy.
00:21How are you?
00:22Hey, Josh.
00:23How you doing, man?
00:24I'm good.
00:25It's good to see you in person.
00:26We're so used to seeing you as Gollum or King Kong or Caesar and all these great roles.
00:31But I've always been curious, like, is it a relief for you to play a role like this
00:35for you can just be you?
00:38You know, I've people have asked me this and I say, because I've never really drawn a distinction
00:45between acting in a performance capture suit and live and live action in the more conventional
00:50sense.
00:51For me, it's just it's another role, you know, and a very interesting and a really dark role
00:56happens to be this time around.
00:59But but yeah, I know I am so I don't people people say, oh, it's great to see your face
01:05and finally see you.
01:07And it's like, well, the thing is, you've seen me.
01:10It's just I've been sort of deeply buried in another character.
01:15But so, you know, it's it's interesting, the perception that people have.
01:19Totally.
01:20And, you know, I'll admit, like coming into this, I had never seen a loser show or anything
01:24like that.
01:25But seeing this this movie, it really struck me as like this amazing blend of like James
01:29Bond and the Batman.
01:32And obviously, you as the villain feel like a perfect blend of that.
01:35What drew you to the role of David for this?
01:38And how did you put that character together?
01:40Well, that's really incredible that you think of it like that.
01:43I mean, because I think you're absolutely right.
01:45It is those things.
01:47But it's also in the series, which I did know of and was a fan of, you know, that it classic
01:55Lee kind of relies on on the villains being a normality to them, having a mundanity to
02:01them almost, but also that that it is, you know, emotionally truthful, dark and there
02:07is a grit to it.
02:08So that combined with the elevated genre kind of, you know, that you've just mentioned made
02:15it a very fertile ground, I think, for a character like David Robey to exist in, particularly
02:20because his relationship is very much about about manipulation through the Internet, through
02:26social media, through using the dark web, you know, and all the technology that he is
02:31a master manipulator of.
02:33And so.
02:34So.
02:35So, I mean, as a character, he is there is a you know, he is a psychopath.
02:40There's no question.
02:41He's a psychopath.
02:42He's a serial killer.
02:43But he's also a product of of a world that we have all bought into.
02:48And he has become an isolated, lonely individual who who can't connect with the rest of humanity.
02:54And I think I think that was what it was that was about the character that made me really
03:00want to play him was to examine that and really look at how people are shamed, how people
03:07are isolated and desensitized because of this big technology that we've all we've just completely
03:14given up responsibility to and that we allow to dominate our lives to a huge degree.
03:27Jamie, I want to ask you, you know, so I'll confess this is my first experience with Luther.
03:33I had a great time and I was really struck by just how subtle Idris is in the role.
03:39And I really want to come to one moment in the movie where I think it's about the middle.
03:43He's giving a mom some news she doesn't want to deal with.
03:45I mean, he kind of just sits there and lets her process it and he doesn't jump in.
03:49What's it like to be able to trust an actor with that kind of subtlety on screen?
03:54You know, I've got hairs on the back of my neck because you just mentioned probably my
03:59favorite moment in the film.
04:02The thing about Idris is and Hattie, you know, who played Corin in that scene.
04:09They're both incredibly schooled, brilliant actors.
04:13They're both incredibly open.
04:15Idris knows that character better than I will ever know it.
04:18But he enters into a space and he says, come and join me and we'll have a play.
04:23And the moments like that, that little head shift that he does as he looks at her as he
04:28gives her time to process was all Idris.
04:31I think working with actors who are as instinctively brilliant at that, my greatest responsibility
04:37is just to give us, make sure they've got a space where they feel safe enough to do
04:41it.
04:42But you can only hope that you have an actor that is so instinctively brilliant, you know,
04:47watching Idris enjoy that space and explore that space through that character in that
04:52live way.
04:53That was take one that we used in the film.
04:56It was just extraordinary.
04:58One of the things which Idris enjoys and gets satisfaction from in playing the character
05:06is that he becomes a vector by which Idris is able to express a certain essential tenderness
05:13that is true of him.
05:15So those moments of profound empathy and tenderness, as well as being a function of an actor's
05:23kind of supreme skill and judgment, are also true of who Idris is.
05:29So you get the conjunction of those two very special things.
05:32Do you know what?
05:33I think that's a really important point.
05:34I think those moments allow us to see more of Idris than the rest of Luthor may be, because
05:40obviously it won't surprise you to know that then they're not the same person and Idris
05:45has a kind of a particular joy and tenderness as a person and how he literally he can spot
05:51someone's pain.
05:52You know, he enters into when we're shooting, you know, as a producer, he took it very seriously.
05:56He'll look around the set.
05:58And if somebody if the process is making anybody feel smaller, he doesn't like it.
06:04And he'll make sure that everybody feels empowered.
06:06And I think that moment that you picked on there says a lot about who Luthor is, a lot
06:11about who Idris is, and also says a lot about Luthor at its best, I have to say.
06:22Well, and speaking of that big technology, I feel like the thing that Idris especially
06:25can't seem to escape is there's always this talk about him being Bond and all that.
06:30You know, after going through this experience working with him and seeing him in this role,
06:34do you think he's got a great resume, but could this movie almost be his cover letter
06:37for a Bond role?
06:38I mean, I've talked to Idris about this, and the fact is, this is almost is his Bond.
06:44It is his Bond, whether or not, you know, in a way, it's the much grittier version of
06:51James Bond.
06:52You know, the thing about this is it has real stakes and real consequence.
06:57I think with Bond, there's always that element of he's going to come through in the end.
07:01He's going to do it.
07:02You know, with this, it's always feel like it's knife-edged as to whether he's going
07:07to make it.
07:08But I do think, I mean, Idris could play Bond, but this is his own idiosyncratic take, I
07:15think, on it.
07:16Well, Andy, just to wrap up, you know, I got to ask you, you've added this to your infinity
07:20gauntlet of franchises.
07:22Is there another franchise that you have left to do, or do we continue the victory
07:27lap and maybe do something else like Lord of the Rings or something like that in a different
07:31role?
07:32Oh, well.
07:33Oh, let me think.
07:34I could reel them all off.
07:35You know, Mission Impossible, Star Trek, you know, I mean, there are plenty out there.
07:42Lots of time left.
07:44Well, thank you so much, Andy.
07:45I really appreciate your time.
07:46Thanks, dude.
07:47Take care.
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