00:00...pages for the preventive prisons of these people, one of them Monica Millapi,
00:09with e-mail to be able to re-establish the relationship with their small children
00:15who are displaced to a province in the south, in Argentina.
00:21Why doesn't the same thing happen with Audelina? We will explain it to you in a little while.
00:27The judge was able to determine, at least, that that accusation of the prosecutor of Guzmán,
00:34of the federal prosecutor who carries out the accusation, apparently has, at least,
00:41through what is read in the writing, clear suspicions to prosecute and prosecute,
00:46to keep at least another two years detained these people,
00:50who are the most involved in the disappearance of Lohan Peña.
00:54This is one of the most important procedural moments of a cause,
00:59and we are going to explain to you, with titles, in a sentence, so that you understand
01:04what measures the judge of the cause adopted from this dictation of processing,
01:10because it is different from what the prosecutors asked for.
01:13The prosecutors can ask, and in fact they had asked for several of the situations
01:16to which the judge now gives an answer.
01:19And some do not. And some do not. It is different.
01:22Therefore, it has its own criteria and its own assessment of the evidence.
01:27For example, it dictates the processing of the seven main detainees.
01:34Here we forget about the parallel cause, in quotation marks,
01:37the one that had to do with the ex-DUPUY.
01:40The seven detainees, the usual, the main ones,
01:45those of whom we speak for the abduction of Lohan.
01:48Preventive prison, with an asterisk for one, with an asterisk for another.
01:55What are the asterisks?
01:57Six are those who participated in the lunch.
02:00The asterisk for one is the seventh, plus one hundred, the commissioner,
02:05to whom they also not only attribute ...
02:08And we are going to talk to the doctor, if we have the benefit,
02:11the doctor Poser-Penso, in a few minutes.
02:14We are trying to break the silence in A24.
02:18And now to meet this dictation of processing,
02:22very important as a processual moment of a cause,
02:27to Commissioner Maciel.
02:29Not only what we understand is that he is assigned a covering role,
02:34which was what was always imposed on him until now,
02:36but also a role in the abduction.
02:39We are going to consult him.
02:41Let's ask.
02:42Let's see, Bobby, before getting into the proceedings,
02:45I also want to tell you what is established in this resolution.
02:48For example, that in principle there is no clue that speaks of human trafficking.
02:54This does not mean that you can see it,
02:57because it is a research that is in development.
02:59There is a resolution of the judge until today.
03:01We already had that anticipation that it was going to happen before the trial.
03:05The judge Poser-Penso was ahead.
03:07We thought it was going to be a few weeks closer to Christmas.
03:11Finally it is advanced and it is established, in principle,
03:15that there is no evidence to determine human trafficking.
03:19The possibility of the accident remains open.
03:25And one of the big questions we have this afternoon,
03:29we are going to try to answer,
03:30because we are not one of those who like to leave questions in the air without answering them.
03:34But we are going to try to answer it, and much more,
03:36if we are lucky enough to be attended by the magistrate.
03:39It is if with this photo, if it is enough for a hypothetical trial,
03:45to be able to say, it is clear the responsibility of these,
03:50but not to be able to give an answer to why they were taken to Luban.
03:55Is it enough to condemn someone?
03:57To say, these have certain roles that have to do with subtraction.
04:03They cannot deny that they were there at the time,
04:07that they deployed actions, that they omitted, that they covered,
04:12that they planted a boot.
04:14Everything we already know.
04:15But is it enough to condemn them,
04:17if a basic question cannot be answered,
04:20which today seems not to be in this writing,
04:23of why they were taken to Luban.
04:25Well, I don't know if to condemn them,
04:26but we are one step away from an oral trial with this resolution.
04:31Another element that caught my attention,
04:33going over very quickly.
04:35We can start now, to go through the document.
04:37The 1,000 sheets.
04:391,075 sheets.
04:401,075 sheets.
04:41Also, that they rule out, in principle,
04:43the possibility of an intrafamilial attack,
04:46the possibility of revenge against the family.
04:50Situations that when you start to clear,
04:52you say, well, then where does it come from?
04:54And suddenly an interesting term appears to analyze,
05:00because they say,
05:01Caillaba and Pérez would have raised Alohan
05:05in the context of a criminal act.
05:07We do not yet know if the possibility of an accident
05:10or of another situation.
05:12And this does appear in the cause.
05:14It appears in the cause.
05:15It appears in the resolution.
05:16Let's see how this evolves,
05:18because then the appeals will come.
05:20Let's start going over it,
05:21because if what answers this
05:23is as if it were prepared for this program.
05:25The who, when and where.
05:27Of course.
05:28The why would be missing.
05:29But let's start going over it.
05:31What does Dr. Cristina Poser-Penso solve?
05:34Decree the process with preventive prison.
05:37And look at the numbering,
05:38because you will see some names
05:40that maybe later make noise.
05:43Bernardino Antonio Benítez,
05:45Daniel Oscar Ramírez,
05:46Esfierrito Ramírez,
05:47his wife,
05:48Mónica del Carmen Millapi,
05:49Laudelina Peña,
05:51María Victoria Caillaba
05:52and Carlos Guido Pérez,
05:53whose other conditions.
05:55And there we start with the whole question
05:56sometimes of formalism and technicisms.
05:58There are these seven.
05:59Yes.
06:00There are these seven.
06:01Actually, there are six.
06:02There are six.
06:03Because what is missing, where is it?
06:04Down there.
06:05In point 2.
06:06Point 2.
06:07Proceed with preventive prison
06:08to Walter Adrian Maceil.
06:09Those six are those of the lunch.
06:12He was not at lunch,
06:13but he is the commissioner.
06:14To find him,
06:15material author,
06:16criminally liable.
06:18And here the novelty,
06:19to see if we are interpreting it well,
06:21we are going to ask the judge.
06:23The crime of alleged subtraction,
06:26concealment of less than 10 years
06:28in ideal competition with this situation.
06:31This is what we had of Maceil.
06:33The cover-up.
06:35The cover-up.
06:36Now, is he also responsible for the subtraction?
06:40Did he know in advance?
06:42Or around here,
06:43in the legal writing of a legal technicism.
06:46Now, in a while,
06:47we also review it with Fito Baquet.
06:49In reality, there is the cover-up
06:51and it is a formality that is expressed in this way.
06:54This is not minor.
06:55Because if they also assign the commissioner
06:58the maneuver of subtraction,
07:00well, then here we have to be talking
07:02about a criminal organization
07:03that already knew that in that lunch
07:06they were going to take a minor.
07:07We continue with what the judge resolves
07:11for being pensive,
07:12what was the temperament of his resolution.
07:15And it is also clear
07:17that evidently the judge believed one Laudelina,
07:20but there are other things that appear, right?
07:21Exactly.
07:22It is important to say this
07:23because the issue of the booty appears,
07:25the issue of the threats
07:27and the situation that leaves us open
07:30the possibility, as I was telling you,
07:32that the accidental experiences
07:34that are going to appear
07:35in the last week of December
07:37can confirm or not
07:39that version that Laudelina herself
07:41had given between roosters and midnight.
07:45I mean, when Laudelina appears,
07:48look now when we see,
07:49let's analyze why they end up
07:51doing the prevention of Laudelina,
07:54her ability to somehow confuse,
07:58to manipulate the cause
08:00and that's why she ends up being arrested.
08:03In addition to that, because she has links
08:05with her children through teleconferences
08:07by at least some cell phone
08:10or something from yesterday's prison.
08:12We have the bases of a couple more points
08:13that are important.
08:14Yes.
08:15We are already in contact
08:16with a note there, hooked.
08:18Ratify again.
08:19Here he answers us something,
08:20you as citizens and us as journalists
08:22that we have been claiming.
08:23Yes.
08:24The need to maintain,
08:25maintain, because we told the judges,
08:28yes, how long can you keep
08:30people arrested
08:31without defining their situation?
08:33Well, keep the effective preventive prison
08:36of the detainees
08:37and here we review names.
08:39Benitez, Peña, Caixaba,
08:43Pérez, Ramírez and Maciel.
08:46Peña is Laudelina.
08:47Yes, Laudelina Peña.
08:48And here someone is missing,
08:49because you say, you go fast,
08:51but stop, who is missing?
08:52Benitez, Peña, Caixaba, Pérez, Ramírez?
08:55Missing Mijapi.
08:57Mónica Mijapi.
08:58And that is explained later
09:00with the question of
09:02what gives her the love and generation
09:05grants her
09:06to be able to have the benefit
09:08of the domiciliary prison
09:09with all the requirements that this imposes,
09:12to adjust to the right,
09:13not to change the domiciliary
09:15if it is not stipulated.
09:17And I think this has to do,
09:18and we are going to ask your lawyer,
09:20with a bond with minors.
09:22But one says, hey,
09:23she is not the only one who is a mother
09:25of minors.
09:26Also Laudelina.
09:27However, one is given
09:28and the other is not.
09:29And this must have an explanation.
09:30Obviously, she could not have contact
09:32during this whole process,
09:34Mijapi with her children
09:35through her phones,
09:37as if she could do it
09:40or by the phones of the prison
09:42or by some personal device
09:44with which she could communicate
09:45with her family,
09:46Laudelina herself.
09:47In fact, we had information
09:49that there was communication
09:50between Benítez and Laudelina
09:51in these months.
09:53In addition to what Bobby was telling you,
09:55very important embargoes were locked.
09:5720 million pesos for Caillaba,
09:5820 million pesos for Pérez,
10:008 million pesos for Maciel
10:02and 1 million pesos
10:03for the rest of the detainees.
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