00:00Namaste Sir, Sir, you know, we are process and we are governed by certain principles
00:15and you know, I've been hearing a lot of news about AI and you know, one thing that strikes
00:24me is the fact that one AI process could be fed into another AI process and if you know,
00:32the Turing test determines the sentient capability of consciousness, self-awareness, etc. of
00:39a machine, then one machine could inherently become a lot more capable, sort of super conscious
00:47than the previous one because that's something that human beings can't do, we cannot transfer
00:51the complete brain to the another one.
00:54So my question was, Sir, in this whole notion of consciousness, self-awareness and volition
01:01and, you know, moral ethics, conduct, etc.
01:05I seem to see machine to be overpowering human beings in the sense that human beings have
01:13created something but in a way, it has created something more dangerous, which is kind of
01:17overpowering the sense of our own, you know, belonging as a human being.
01:26I definitely see this tinkering with the laws of nature, the prakriti and everything is
01:31kind of really causing a lot of challenges to the world.
01:34I just wanted to hear your views on where AI is taking the world today with regard to
01:41the humanity and whether it's leading to the progress or in the in the downward spiral.
01:49I do not think I'm very clear with the question.
01:52In what sense do you think that AI is overpowering human consciousness?
01:59What I think, Sir, is essentially what I am kind of looking for is to look to have a better
02:05consciousness to have to become a better self-aware person.
02:11When I look at some human machine, which is almost imbibing, I mean, replicating my own
02:17sense of consciousness, self-awareness, etc., somewhere I get the sense, I also get perturbed
02:23that that machine itself is, you know, more powerful than me in terms of its super consciousness
02:30power.
02:31What do you mean by super consciousness power?
02:33That's where the haziness is.
02:35What do you mean by super consciousness power?
02:37Super consciousness as in one machine has been created and the capability of it has
02:44been fed into another machine.
02:46Capability with respect to what?
02:51With respect to the initial learning or the AI has actually gotten.
02:56It can perform tasks.
03:00Right, Sir.
03:01So, how is that challenging human consciousness?
03:10Because the simulation of the Turing test itself says that, you know, at certain point
03:16it is almost replicating the human being in terms of fooling the human beings in a sense
03:21that...
03:22It's replicating that part of human consciousness that is anyway very mechanical or replicable.
03:31That which is replicable in you will be replicated.
03:34For example, a statue can be made that looks just like you because your body, your physical
03:42features are all replicable.
03:45So somebody will replicate them.
03:46How does that threaten you?
03:51You are not that within you which can be replicated.
03:58And if there is something that can be replicated, that is not you.
04:01So let that be replicated.
04:02What's the problem?
04:06Somebody makes a statue.
04:07How does that threaten your existence?
04:12Somebody clicks a photograph.
04:13How does that threaten your existence?
04:16That looks like you, but that's not you.
04:21Somebody downloads the entire content of your memory.
04:24That's possible.
04:29Each passing day, that's becoming more and more possible.
04:32The entire content of your memory can be downloaded.
04:43But that's not you.
04:47Or your genetic material can be taken and a clone can be raised.
04:54But that's not you again.
04:57How does that threaten you?
05:02So go to Nirvana Shatkam.
05:06When such doubts arise and worries, you need to know what you are not.
05:14And that which you are not, let that be copied or substituted or outsourced or whatever.
05:27Somebody copies my voice.
05:30How does that threaten me?
05:34Am I my voice?
05:38Am I my voice?
05:44So, Nirvana Shatkam.
05:45And when you can discount everything that you are not, then there is Chidananda Roopa, Shivoham, Shivoham.
05:53Mind you, nobody can halt the march of science and technology.
05:58All that science can do, it will do.
06:02There is no need to feel threatened.
06:05You will be cloned.
06:09You will be replicated, duplicated, substituted.
06:15Therefore, you must come to that within you which is alone.
06:22Not transferable.
06:24Not available to be duplicated.
06:34What is that?
06:36That's who you are.
06:39All else is just stuff that you are attached to.
06:47And stuff is stuff.
06:52Just I had another question.
06:54You did mention that there is a dance in Prakriti, everything is entertainment, there is fun,
07:00but the ego is always in a quest of sorrow.
07:05I mean, the whole existence of ego is because there is a sorrow.
07:10The sorrow dissolves, the ego dissolves, etc.
07:13Then, so my question was, when I look at a liberated person, I mean, maybe I mean, correct me, please, please correct me if I'm wrong.
07:21Normally, I see a sense of, you know, not sort of Anand or happiness in their face.
07:28It's always that there is some sort of a sorrow in their face as opposed to what Prakriti is indicating.
07:35That, you know, you have to rejoice, you have to be not in grief.
07:40But when I look at them, I mean, it's like it's kind of contradicting to the message of what Prakriti is giving to them.
07:50So why is it so, sir?
07:52Am I, is my understanding correct on this?
07:55Look at how the ego operates.
07:58It looks at everything from its own frame of reference.
08:02You go to a person who is rejoicing and you say, this person is suffering.
08:09Now, what needs to change?
08:12The fact or the definition of suffering.
08:23You go to a person and as a fact, he is actually rejoicing.
08:31But from your own definition, you say he is suffering.
08:35And because all your definitions are distorted, they are coming from your own centre.
08:41When we rejoice, that's a kind of very sick celebration.
08:49That sick celebration we do not find in the liberated one.
08:53When we do not find that sick celebration, that maniac celebration in the liberated one,
09:00we declare that that fellow is serious and suffering.
09:04But the fact is that he is rejoicing.
09:06And if you can push your ego aside, then you will say, oh, so from this now I develop my definition of celebration.
09:16Instead, you say, I already have a definition of celebration.
09:20And if his condition matches my definition, only then will I agree that he is rejoicing.
09:26Why should his condition match your definition?
09:29You change your definition.
09:32If you find the liberated man serious, then change your definition to mean seriousness is celebration.
09:42Instead, you want to stick to your definition and your definition postulates,
09:47I said, a very sick kind of celebration.
09:50In which you are excited, jumping, thumping, romping, inebriated and that you call as partying.
09:59Now that kind of celebration you usually do not find in a liberated one.
10:03So you say, oh no, that fellow, you know, he is quite serious and something got wrong with him.
10:10He looks very pensive, probably mournful.
10:14No, that's where the celebration is.
10:18You adjust your definition.
10:21Are you getting it?
10:22If you find him weeping, then you change your definition because that's celebration.
10:33That's the part of it that concerns his state.
10:39Now there is another thing to it.
10:43How do you know his state when he is not in front of you?
10:48Who are you with respect to him?
10:51With respect to him, you are a patient.
10:53You are a student.
10:55You are somebody to be taken care of.
10:57You are somebody to be shown the way.
10:59So it is quite possible that internally he is celebrating.
11:04But when he faces you, he has to pretend anger.
11:11Who are you?
11:13You are his patient.
11:14He is the doctor.
11:15That's the relationship.
11:17Why will the doctor show his so called real face to you?
11:23The doctor will show one particular face that you need to see.
11:30Maybe you are of the type that you need to see his angry face.
11:36Maybe if he doesn't show you an angry face, you will not study or improve or attend.
11:43That does not mean that he is angry.
11:47That means that you need to see an angry face.
11:50Please get the difference.
11:52It's then not about his state.
11:55It's about your requirement.
11:57He does not bother for his state.
11:59He is beyond botheration.
12:00Right?
12:01But he bothers for your requirement and your requirement is that you must see his angry face.
12:08That's what you require to see.
12:09So he will show you an angry face.
12:13But that's the thing about the ego.
12:16It has very little capacity for self-observation.
12:19Instead, it wants to get into the mind of the liberated one.
12:23It was Guru Nanak who said, you may try as hard as you can,
12:27but you will never get to know the mind of the liberated one.
12:32That's from the Adi Granth.
12:34You keep trying.
12:35You keep speculating.
12:39And the ego has a serious urge to know what is going on in the mind of the Buddha.
12:45But you will never know what's there in the mind of the Buddha.
12:52Being who you are, how will you know the mind of the Buddha?
12:57It's a part of essential humility to not even try.
13:08Instead, reflect on yourself.
13:11If you find him serious,
13:17do not judge him.
13:19Look at yourself.
13:23If you find him weeping, do not judge him.
13:25Look at the world around him.
13:29And if you find him scolding you,
13:32then look at your own state.
13:37He has no need to scold.
13:39But you have a need to be scolded.
13:44So, it's rather a judgment on you,
13:50not him.
13:55Understood, sir.
13:57Thank you so much.
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