00:00Mr. Jelutong has stated various issues such as audit reports and PAC reports.
00:10I would like to say here that it has never happened in the history of our country
00:16where the ministry, including the minister, the head of the executive and the KSU
00:24has taken action to report to the authorities after the reports were released.
00:35One of the SPRM reports was related to a state audit report.
00:41This has never happened before.
00:43That's one.
00:44The investigation by the SPRM, we gave the authority and space to the SPRM to get justice.
00:53Secondly, various reforms have been implemented.
00:59I don't want to repeat because I have already answered during the discussion of the report earlier this year.
01:06These reforms are to avoid the issues raised by the audit reports from happening again.
01:16So we have systems such as audit authorities, risk authorities, etc.
01:23to ensure that the level of governance is the highest in the issue of managing the HRD Corp.
01:33Thirdly, the issue of holidays.
01:44The head of HRD Corp. has informed me that in order to help or to be seen with permission,
01:55to be seen as giving full cooperation to the SPRM so that there is no disturbance,
02:04but to be seen with the truth, to send a message that we will not compromise,
02:10the head of HRD Corp. has taken a holiday during the time when the SPRM came to collect papers, etc.
02:18After that time, he returned to his duties.
02:22I think we cannot deny that Saudara Jelotong is a lawyer.
02:28Everyone is presumed innocent until proven guilty.
02:35And in this situation, there is no member or individual in HRD Corp. who has been sued in court.
02:42Even though they were sued in court, I believe that our lawyers,
02:49if they are investigated and sued, we will not ask them to take a holiday or to resign.
02:54I think that is not fair.
02:57But I have said that the investigation is handed over to the authorities.
03:01If anyone is found guilty, we will not compromise.
03:06We will not only take legal action.
03:09We will take legal action including imprisonment, punishment, etc.
03:15Thank you, Minister, for the explanation.
03:18I just want to go back to the issue of HRD Corp.
03:22I accept the explanation given by the Minister.
03:26As a lawyer, he is indeed innocent until proven guilty.
03:32But I would like to ask, what steps have been taken by all
03:37to ensure that the law that will be implemented
03:45will determine and ensure that the embezzlement of funds,
03:50embezzlement will not happen again?
04:00For example, if Syahul Hamid returns to HRD Corp,
04:05will he be made the CEO again?
04:09Shouldn't we replace him with someone else?
04:13Allow him to return to HRD Corp but perform other tasks.
04:19Does HRD Corp have the steps to appoint a new CEO?
04:26So that Syahul Hamid is allowed to perform tasks
04:30but does not become the CEO until this matter is investigated by the SPRM.
04:36That will convince the public.
04:38If not, when he returns to HRD Corp, business as usual,
04:43what's the point of discussing this matter,
04:46holding a PAC meeting, and so on?
04:52I welcome Jelutong's spirit.
04:55Because this is our spirit to fight for good governance.
05:01But I hope, not only did he mention the wrong evidence,
05:05but I also hope he will read the reports he submitted.
05:09First, the name mentioned in the report is not mentioned in the report.
05:15Second, he is not here to defend himself.
05:20And I want to say, the report we submitted to the SPRM
05:25is for all kinds of wrongdoings,
05:30especially those raised by the audit report.
05:35So, it is not necessarily that Anu is guilty.
05:40We will take firm action against anyone who is found guilty after this.
05:46But until the final report or final decision is issued by the SPRM and the authorities,
05:55I think it is not fair for us to point fingers at anyone.
06:01Furthermore, no one is charged,
06:04whether they are under the police or the court.
06:08Imagine, if we are the ones who will always be investigated by the police,
06:13the politicians as usual, or put before the court.
06:17If we follow that principle, we cannot be present in the parliament.
06:21Even though we have not yet been identified or proven guilty.
06:25So, I want to correct what has been said.
06:29I want to support the SPRM,
06:31because we want to improve the governance,
06:37but we should not be seen as oppressors.
06:43Because, as I said,
06:47we have not yet been identified or investigated.
06:50So, we have to be fair.
06:51As long as they are not found guilty, they have the right to work.
06:55Why should we leave them?
06:57These are the perceptions that have been built for the investigation.
07:00Let them make their claims,
07:02then we stop them from working.
07:04If they are guilty, then they are guilty.
07:06If they are not guilty, then we continue.
07:08This is what we do not want.
07:09Oppression,
07:10when we improve one thing,
07:12causes oppression to happen to those who are not found guilty.
07:21Actually, because of my statement,
07:24I agree with everything,
07:25including Jolotong,
07:26that everyone is innocent until proven guilty.
07:29Actually, there are no names mentioned in any reports or investigations.
07:34We allow the authorities to investigate freely.
07:39It does not matter where they want to investigate.
07:41Whether it is the Chief Executive's investigation,
07:43or the lawyer's investigation,
07:45or the ordinary investigation,
07:46or even the Minister's and Chief Minister's investigation.
07:48We let them investigate.
07:50And when there is a decision,
07:53I am confident that under this co-government,
07:56we will take the heaviest punishment for those who are guilty.
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