00:00I understand the issue of prison congestion.
00:04In fact, when I became the Minister last year,
00:10as far as I remember, the number of prison overcrowding was around 72,000-74,000.
00:18Now, according to the statistics, the Minister said it was around 87,000.
00:27So, the number has increased.
00:30But we also need to understand that there are certain cases or offences
00:40that should not be given house arrest.
00:45As far as I understand, cases like Riman, cases of minor offences,
00:52those should be given house detention
00:58because it can reduce the prison congestion.
01:02So, the Minister said that he gave several examples
01:10where house arrest will not be allowed.
01:14For example, 6A, 6, and so on.
01:17And also for offences that can be sentenced to 10 years in prison and above.
01:24Is 10 years in prison and above according to the offence
01:28or according to the sentence given by the court?
01:31That is important.
01:32Because if someone is accused under a certain section,
01:38the sentence is prescribed in that section.
01:42So, should we follow the prescribed sentence or the sentence given by the court?
01:49So, we want to know, for example, in the case of Najib Tun Razak.
01:57In that case, he was also detained and given a certain sentence.
02:03So, will house arrest be used or can be used by someone like that?
02:11Mr. President.
02:12Mr. President, I will continue.
02:15The question is almost the same.
02:17If you, Mr. Minister, say that the rational or justification for the provision of house arrest
02:24is because our prison is overcrowded
02:28or because there is no provision for the use of devices,
02:33I think that is not a big reason for the provision of a law.
02:39If you still remember, when you were in the Covid period,
02:45some provisions have been changed to include the use of devices in the provisions.
02:51For example, Provision 342, the Provision for the Control of Infectious Diseases.
02:56Those who are known for not taking steps, not using face masks and so on,
03:03are provided with the provision to use devices.
03:06That is a small thing.
03:08The provision in Section 3 is already clear.
03:11I think the intention of the legislature
03:16at this time has also taken into account the fact that
03:20it will be overcrowded in the prison.
03:23So, it can't be just because of those reasons
03:26that there is a need for a special provision for house arrest.
03:30And I also want to ask, as Bukit Gelugur,
03:34is this issue raised in the community,
03:41an addendum issue,
03:43which was said during the pardon process
03:46which was heard by the former Prime Minister, Najib Razak,
03:51on February 2, 2024.
03:54Today, I want to confirm the facts.
03:57Yesterday, I was with the Minister of Law.
04:00I doubted that he didn't want to answer my question
04:03and he said, this is a matter for the KDN Minister to answer,
04:07this addendum issue.
04:09While he told in the court yesterday,
04:12he said, who is in charge?
04:14As if he didn't know who is in charge.
04:16In my hand is clearly the statement of the media,
04:19part of the laws of the Prime Minister's Office
04:22as in charge of the Pardon Institute.
04:25He didn't know he was in charge of the Pardon Institute.
04:30So yesterday, I wasn't here.
04:31I came back and brought it to you today.
04:33It's okay.
04:34So in this matter, I want to get an explanation straight away,
04:37because this is related.
04:39Is it true, Mr. President,
04:41that there is what is called an addendum,
04:45an additional order,
04:48in the order related to
04:51the decision of the Pardon Institute
04:54against Datuk Seri Najib Tur Razak,
04:57which the Pardon Institute
05:02has given initial liberation to him
05:07and also reduced the fine from Rp210 million
05:11to only Rp50 million.
05:13And it is said there is an addendum.
05:16I have been assigned by...
05:18I will respond to the addendum issue straight away
05:20so as not to prolong the time.
05:22The issue is the addendum issue.
05:24I will explain.
05:26Thank you, Mr. Terbaru.
05:28Mr. Terbaru has taken 7 minutes of my time.
05:30Mr. Terbaru alone.
05:31I have 45 minutes.
05:33Okay.
05:34Okay, Mr. Terbaru.
05:35I want to say this.
05:36I explained earlier.
05:38Okay.
05:39The KDN's desire to implement this act
05:43is to address the issue of remand detention.
05:47If it's a detention, it's not right.
05:49It doesn't include us.
05:51Okay.
05:52Other than that,
05:53when we go to court later,
05:54Mr. Aliam Bohmak will feel that
05:55detention must also be considered.
05:58Then we will make a decision.
05:59For now,
06:01our intention is for a category
06:04where the court rules on remand detention
06:07while waiting for the date of the hearing.
06:09So,
06:10including if he is accused of remand
06:12under the 10-year sentence earlier,
06:14if it's 10 years, he is not qualified to be considered.
06:17That shows the serious level of his crime.
06:20Okay.
06:21Mr. Terbaru,
06:22the story about the addendum
06:24is related to the decision of the Pardon Board.
06:29Okay.
06:30The Pardon Board is a full-fledged institution.
06:32The power is in the hands of Mr. Agong.
06:34Administrative, of course.
06:35He is the Secretary of Investigation, etc.
06:38Mr. Terbaru, don't follow the court's decision
06:41when the accused is brought to court
06:44and the court then considers that
06:46this addendum is a hearsay.
06:50The court's decision is already clear.
06:53So, if it's already there,
06:55it's already clear.
06:56We shouldn't go any further.
06:58KDN is even further.
06:59We don't follow the Pardon Board.
07:01Not at all.
07:02Not at all.
07:03So,
07:04whether it exists or not,
07:05the court said
07:06when the matter was brought up
07:08by the accused,
07:10the court said
07:11this story was obtained from a summary.
07:13The summary was heard from a summary.
07:14The summary was obtained from a summary.
07:16That means it's a hearsay.
07:18So, it's already there.
07:19I don't want to go any further.
07:21Alright.
07:22I want to continue with the second point, Mr. Terbaru.
07:24Give me a minute.
07:25I have 23 minutes.
07:26I don't want to go any further.
07:27Half a minute.
07:28Half a minute.
07:29I've made it clear, Mr. Terbaru.
07:30Half a minute.
07:31The court's decision
07:32that it has already made.
07:33I want to ask you this, Mr. Muhammad.
07:35Be fair to me also.
07:36Yes.
07:37As a government,
07:38when there is an issue of this addendum,
07:42can the government clarify
07:44whether or not there is an addendum?
07:46It's not a matter of hearsay or not.
07:48The Prime Minister or the Minister
07:50can address the former Deputy Prime Minister.
07:52Ask the former Deputy Prime Minister
07:54whether or not there is an addendum.
07:55That's...
07:56Please sit down.
07:57Let me answer.
07:58That's a respectful view.
07:59Isn't it?
08:00Our view,
08:01if there is a dispute,
08:02a dispute
08:03between the government and the people,
08:05between the Polish citizens,
08:06which institution will make the decision?
08:08The court's institution will make the decision.
08:10If the court says it's a hearsay,
08:12the respected one will understand
08:14what hearsay means.
08:16Yes.
08:17So, it's considered a hearsay.
08:18The respected view is
08:19that the government should ask.
08:21That's a respected view.
08:22Hearsay is a hearsay.
08:23The issue is not a hearsay.
08:24The respected view is
08:25that the government should ask.
08:27That's a respected view.
08:29If there is a dispute,
08:30a dispute,
08:31leave it to the court to decide.
08:33If there is something
08:34related to the law,
08:35let the court develop the law
08:37with permission.
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