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馃憠 Se emiti贸 un pedido de detenci贸n contra Gustavo Vera, titular de la Alameda. El pedido proviene de los padres de Loan, asesorados por los abogados Roberto M茅ndez y Juan Pablo Gallego. La situaci贸n se complica con acusaciones cruzadas y testimonios que sugieren un entramado narco en la zona y la posible desaparici贸n de Loan. Vera es criticado por no aportar informaci贸n relevante en su declaraci贸n testimonial del 30 de octubre pasado.
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00:00Something that, yesterday, you said it, Diego,
00:05that a detention order was going to emerge.
00:08And today I found out that there is a detention order against
00:12the head of Alameda, Gustavo O'Hera.
00:16What do they know, something?
00:18A request from La Carella.
00:19From La Carella, I don't know if we have the document
00:22that I sent, if not, with time, it's in the group.
00:25So we see well what he asked, not so much.
00:27Well, actually, Loan's parents, because they are the ones who sign
00:30the request, logically advised by Roberto M茅ndez
00:34and by Juan Pablo Gallego.
00:36By the way, I wrote to Juan Pablo.
00:40For now, he nailed me.
00:41Yes, only to one.
00:42I understand that he was in the audience and after
00:44the rumors, the accusations crossed,
00:47well, they are ventilating what happens in the hearings.
00:50Obviously, he chooses not to answer.
00:52Yes, only to one.
00:53Note at hand, for those who are watching us
00:54and do not know who Gustavo O'Hera is,
00:56who surely have seen him talking to us
00:59or in other media on the subject of Loan,
01:01he is part and leads an NGO that fights against
01:04human trafficking.
01:05I say that he is completely involved with the investigation
01:08of the disappearance of Loan, as of other boys and girls
01:11disappeared by or victims of human trafficking in the country.
01:14And let's remember something.
01:15Friend of Pope Francis.
01:19Personal friend.
01:20And in fact, very recently, Pope Francis
01:24wrote him a handwritten letter.
01:28We have read it here.
01:29A message of support for Gustavo O'Hera, which is not little.
01:33For the search for Loan.
01:34It is not little.
01:35For the search for Loan.
01:37So it surprises, right?
01:38This request for detention.
01:40I say, with respect to making it prosper, right?
01:41Yes.
01:42Another request for detention.
01:45There it is.
01:46Look, wait.
01:46Let's go with the document, since it's on the screen.
01:49Obviously.
01:50It is the request to the Federal Prosecutor of Goya.
01:52Let's remember that the judge, I think this is the way,
01:55but that the judge is licensed.
01:58All this week.
01:59Yes.
02:00I ask again, now we can develop it.
02:02Is it casual?
02:04Is it casual?
02:05That there have been movements or is it normal
02:08that there have been such important movements,
02:10because it is not minor,
02:12that General Rodr铆guez is declaring.
02:14Yes.
02:14At this time, when the judge is not.
02:18I don't want to question
02:21that I have a flu.
02:23No, no, let's see, guys, if you're sick, it's fine,
02:25and you meet the requirements to be.
02:28Let's see, when we have the flu,
02:30we don't take the day and we have to take it.
02:32Obviously, in a case, someone has to come in begging her
02:35and it's fine.
02:36No, no, I don't see that.
02:38There are other ill-intentioned people who tell you.
02:40It's not a coincidence.
02:41It's not a coincidence and someone has to do the dirty work.
02:44Now, when Zakir arrives,
02:45who said he was arriving at 2.40 p.m.
02:47Don't believe him.
02:48Three minutes, he's going to say no.
02:49Don't believe him.
02:50He's close to Uruguay.
02:51No, don't believe him.
02:52You have to put him on the counter.
02:54Don't believe him.
02:54Well, many criminal lawyers,
02:58who obviously know about the process,
03:00say, when there is, usually,
03:03when a starting judge
03:05takes a license,
03:07subrogates it to another,
03:09that is, replaces it with another,
03:12and there are novelties in the process,
03:15it is something perjured.
03:17It is precisely so that the starting judge
03:20does not assume the responsibility of,
03:22well, difficult decisions or that may compromise interests.
03:26I don't know if that's the case.
03:27I don't know.
03:28But it draws a lot of attention
03:30that names with power in the house begin to scroll.
03:33I would love to know if,
03:35and I would love for Zakir to come.
03:37How do you do it so that he comes earlier?
03:39Now we are going to call him when we finish the information.
03:41You have to tell him that the schedule of the program is another,
03:43tell him to start at one.
03:44Oh, yes, of course.
03:46It's good that light, huh?
03:48Because, for example, I want him,
03:50I would love to ask you,
03:51who resolves the detention in this case?
03:55The federal judge who is subrogating?
03:58The power is the same, huh?
04:00Okay, but who defines it?
04:02The request, from what I see there...
04:03I think they are in a dialogue,
04:05what we said yesterday,
04:06it's not that...
04:07No, that's enough.
04:09No, no, that's enough.
04:10That's enough.
04:11But of course.
04:12That's enough.
04:12Yes, yes, of course.
04:13Legally, a judge can't call another to say,
04:15hey, what do I say?
04:15No, that's enough.
04:17You see?
04:17No, that's enough.
04:18What...
04:18It's going to be reincorporated in a little while.
04:20I heard Diego saying, oh...
04:21Yes.
04:22What happened?
04:22Because there is a loose cable that has just been connected.
04:27I think it deserves an alert.
04:28Give me an alert.
04:29Go ahead.
04:42Now we continue with Vera.
04:44Clearly, leave it on the screen.
04:46But everything has to do with everything here.
04:49First, they tell me that Rodr铆guez,
04:51who is now declaring himself,
04:53is Director of Complex Crimes of the Police of Corrientes.
04:58Yes, I told you.
04:59Director of Complex Crimes, to give the position...
05:00He's the general.
05:01Exactly.
05:02Of course.
05:03He's the general, he's the number one.
05:04He's the general.
05:05He's the number one.
05:06The number one.
05:08But the information is why he is declaring himself.
05:11And pay attention to this.
05:12I thank Rafa Palacios for giving me the precision.
05:16When the expert...
05:19Listen carefully.
05:19When the expert...
05:20Yes.
05:21...finishes his first statement...
05:23Of course, I understand, he declared.
05:25First statement, because it was two days,
05:27in two parts.
05:28Yes.
05:29When he finishes, and pay attention to this,
05:32because everything gets mixed up.
05:34Let's see.
05:35When he finishes the first statement,
05:39he communicates with a message...
05:43With whom?
05:46R with R guitar, R with R barrel.
05:49With Rodr铆guez.
05:50Yes, of course.
05:51He finishes.
05:53It's stupid, right?
05:54What for?
05:55It's stupid.
05:56He finishes the statement,
05:59communicates with Rodr铆guez,
06:02and Rodr铆guez asks him if everything went well.
06:06What for?
06:07The question that the prosecutors are trying to answer.
06:10Of course.
06:11I mean, why?
06:12The first person he talks to
06:15is General Rodr铆guez,
06:19a student of the Department of Economics.
06:20What I'm asking is,
06:21General Rodr铆guez,
06:24is he requested in the case to intervene?
06:28Of course.
06:29Why?
06:29No, no, no.
06:30I mean it.
06:31In the beginning, there was an investigation,
06:33this is how it is,
06:34when an IPP is set up,
06:35a preparatory criminal investigation,
06:38Corrientes probably has another name,
06:42what the prosecutor does is,
06:44or the federal judge,
06:46is to request the assistance of some force.
06:50Exactly.
06:51Right?
06:51Of course.
06:52He says,
06:52I want this case to be worked on,
06:54I'm talking about the province of Buenos Aires,
06:56I want this case to be worked on by the DDI of San Mart铆n.
07:01Okay?
07:01And he says,
07:02and he says,
07:03no, I don't want you to work with the DDI of San Mart铆n,
07:06I want you to work with the PCA.
07:08Yes.
07:09So he works on what the judge says.
07:10Yes.
07:11Yes?
07:11The request of the judge or the prosecutor,
07:17they ask for it.
07:18I ask,
07:20in this case,
07:21the prosecutors, the provincial prosecutors of Corrientes,
07:24when this investigation began,
07:26did they request,
07:28in writing,
07:31the requirement of the Division of Complex Crimes?
07:35There is the secret.
07:36And it should have happened that way,
07:37or they imposed that force.
07:39Why?
07:40Because you have,
07:41in all the force you have,
07:42for example,
07:43if someone is lost,
07:44what division would you call, for example?
07:47Search of persons.
07:49Search of persons, guys.
07:50If I,
07:51if someone is lost,
07:53I call the division,
07:54search of persons.
07:55Do you have to request that?
07:57Of course, the prosecutor asks for it.
07:59Then it is requested.
08:01It should be.
08:01No.
08:02It's still weird, right?
08:03Let's see.
08:03Because even when the provincial police arrived,
08:06it was...
08:06He was lost.
08:07What does a complex crime do if the boy is lost?
08:10Of course.
08:10Of course.
08:11Do you understand?
08:11Yes.
08:12You can say,
08:13hey, out of doubt,
08:14I smell something weird.
08:15Bring me the intelligence division.
08:17Of course.
08:17Yes?
08:18You can work in the intelligence area.
08:20Yes, you can go in the first hours of the investigation.
08:22Exactly.
08:23A complex crime is weird.
08:24It's for something else.
08:25It's different when it happened in the federal orbit,
08:27for dealing with a crime,
08:29it's a subtraction of a minimum.
08:30It can't be.
08:30And it deals with...
08:31It can't be.
08:33Because federal forces act.
08:35That's why.
08:35Yes, federal crime,
08:37federal justice,
08:38what it says is,
08:40in the area of...
08:41of...
08:42search of persons,
08:43in the area of...
08:44intelligence,
08:45in the area of...
08:47X,
08:48but it's not going to work
08:49with a complex crime from the province
08:51when the commissioner is in jail.
08:53Of course.
08:54Let's see,
08:55take 2 and 4,
08:55I wouldn't even put it
08:57so it doesn't look bad.
08:58Telephone kidnapped from Rodr铆guez.
09:00Telephone kidnapped...
09:01Four months, huh?
09:02...from the expert.
09:03Four months.
09:05Four months later, of course.
09:06Four months, you can find...
09:07...that it's not the same device.
09:09It doesn't need to be broken.
09:11No, because...
09:12And that it's lost.
09:13Guys, I...
09:13Here, this is mine.
09:15I'm going to tell you something.
09:16And if there's nothing, there's nothing.
09:17They can't accuse you for...
09:18No.
09:19...having restored the phone from the factory.
09:20Unless there's a mirror.
09:22Unless there's a mirror.
09:23What's a mirror?
09:24It's like this,
09:25I, my cell phone,
09:26I can send you
09:2725 messages, I tell you.
09:29Yes.
09:30And I send it to...
09:31to...
09:32to...
09:33to delete from the factory three times to mine.
09:35Good.
09:35In mine they're not going to find
09:36absolutely nothing.
09:37Ah, good.
09:38Because if you take it to the factory,
09:39three times,
09:40forget that there's no...
09:42...software that can raise information.
09:43It doesn't exist.
09:44Of course.
09:44But here it does.
09:45But yours, yes.
09:46You have what's mine.
09:47Of course.
09:48If there's a mirror,
09:49there, in the device, something appears.
09:52Or in the cell phone, something appeared.
09:53Of course.
09:54Or in the device, something appeared.
09:55Look.
09:55As much as you say, no, in mine it's not there,
09:57it's in the others.
09:58There, yes.
09:58I add, Rafa,
10:00that they found the device
10:01and it caught a lot of attention,
10:03in addition to this message.
10:06They saw those...
10:08screenshots in the second statement.
10:11When they ask for the phone,
10:13they find those messages
10:15and they take the screenshots of the messages.
10:18As a first test.
10:20Yes.
10:20Afterwards, when the judge
10:23or the prosecutors, let's say, analyze this,
10:25directly,
10:26they kidnap
10:29the phone.
10:31What is the link between the scan, the request,
10:35and Rodr铆guez,
10:36the head of the Complex Crimes Division?
10:39Yes.
10:40In the Loan case,
10:42directly, the scan said,
10:44I reported
10:45Rodr铆guez.
10:47And yes?
10:48An expert that one
10:50said,
10:51comes from another province,
10:53is almost a volunteer.
10:56In the end,
10:57he has more links than one thought.
11:00And that's what Nahuel proposed.
11:01A lot of links.
11:02If Nahuel introduces himself...
11:03Above Macielin.
11:04Nahuel introduces himself and starts to investigate.
11:07And...
11:08Well, Nahuel is just a bad example
11:09because he belonged to a force.
11:11But, I mean,
11:12Lew Baldi arrives and says,
11:13well, I know about this,
11:15I'm an expert.
11:16And they give him General Rodr铆guez's cell phone
11:19and he starts to report General Rodr铆guez
11:21because...
11:21He had it before, right?
11:23Well, that's why Vallescos,
11:25when I called him yesterday,
11:27he told me,
11:28the testimony of the scan
11:31benefits, or at least,
11:33it doesn't harm Commissioner Maciel.
11:36Well, what they tell me...
11:36Because he says, he didn't report Maciel,
11:39he reported Riva.
11:40Well, what they tell me is...
11:42Mr. Ocho, speak up.
11:45Let's see.
11:46Lescano...
11:47Rodr铆guez is the same, they told me.
11:51Lescano Rodr铆guez is the same.
11:52An expert.
11:53That's what they tell me.
11:54He did a course abroad,
11:56he studied law, he went to Italy...
11:56That's fine, I don't care, I don't care about that.
11:58In what sense is it the same?
12:00We are the same, the four of us.
12:02Yes.
12:02We go to the same place.
12:03Yes.
12:04They are a team.
12:06We go to the same place.
12:07They play for the same side.
12:08Yes, for the same side.
12:11Keep in mind that many have talked about the accident.
12:16So, look.
12:18Ah, wait.
12:20You see that sometimes one is already thinking
12:21about what he is going to say later,
12:23but...
12:23and you miss the end.
12:24But this time I didn't miss it.
12:26Good.
12:26I didn't miss it.
12:27I didn't miss it.
12:31Are they going to the side of the accident?
12:34I think so.
12:34But isn't the accident a dead end?
12:36But because...
12:37Not if everything went well.
12:38Because it suits them.
12:39Of course.
12:40Not if everything went well.
12:41Not if everything went well.
12:42But she insists on the version.
12:43Ah, yes.
12:44If everything went well.
12:45Before they saw the message.
12:48I think...
12:48Sorry for the...
12:49I think...
12:49I'm going to be very honest with you.
12:51Go ahead.
12:52I think that the minister,
12:54Bullrich,
12:55when she went down there, they sold her something.
12:57And when...
12:58Let's talk about it as healthy as possible, guys.
13:01No jokes.
13:02This is not possible in CNN.
13:05When she saw
13:08that
13:09they sold her something,
13:12she said,
13:12Bye, guys.
13:13Look how she drives.
13:14Who said that?
13:15Bullrich.
13:16Ah, of course.
13:17When they made her go down to the place,
13:19Yes.
13:19Yes?
13:20And they presented her
13:22a piece of paper that said,
13:23Look, she came out here,
13:25you see,
13:26she fell down here,
13:28and four jacar茅s grabbed her here,
13:31and that's it.
13:32She's in there.
13:33The jacar茅s have to be hunted.
13:34You put some juice on it and suck it.
13:36Let's see if, in case of doubt,
13:37let's say it can also appear.
13:38Yes.
13:38How far did that go, right?
13:39When she saw
13:42that she was
13:43eating a frog,
13:44she said,
13:45Bye, guys.
13:45Fix it as best you can.
13:47I'll go as far as I can.
13:49In fact, I remember the hours before
13:50the minister spoke there in Corrientes
13:53and we said,
13:53Well, obviously they have news of something
13:55that we are not aware of.
13:56There was a break.
13:57We don't know.
13:58There was another one of the breaks
14:00where she said,
14:01Look,
14:02I understand this,
14:03I can imagine it.
14:05Then many characters began to appear
14:08that led you to a lagoon.
14:11A physical lagoon.
14:12If it appears,
14:13Literally.
14:13Yes, yes, literally.
14:15If it appears,
14:16half-court goal.
14:18And if it doesn't appear,
14:18time has passed.
14:19It may be that all traces disappear.
14:21And
14:22She lies,
14:23she lies that something will remain.
14:25Atentos con un dato que me falt贸
14:28en esto de la manipulaci贸n del tel茅fono de P茅rez
14:30que se enciende
14:32ya habiendo sido secuestrado por la Divisi贸n
14:35de Elitos Complejos a cargo de Rodr铆guez
14:37que, repetimos,
14:38se est谩 declarando
14:39en este momento
14:40y hay muchas lagunas.
14:42Esas las
14:44simb贸licas,
14:45no figurativamente hablando,
14:46en el relato
14:47de Rodr铆guez.
14:48Respecto al tel茅fono de P茅rez,
14:50y me lo recuerda
14:52Rafa Palacios,
14:53no es que se enciende 煤nicamente
14:55el tel茅fono.
14:57Se borra.
14:58Claro.
14:59Ese es el punto.
14:59Se borran
15:01elementos del tel茅fono
15:03de P茅rez,
15:04uno de los principales
15:06apuntados.
15:07Por eso es clave lo que est谩 sucediendo
15:09en la sala de audiencias
15:11de Goya en este momento
15:13con los dos fiscales,
15:15con el juez subrogante Fresneda,
15:17mientras
15:18P贸zer Penso est谩
15:20recuper谩ndose de una gripe,
15:22pidi贸 una licencia
15:23de cinco d铆as.
15:26Es clave lo que est谩 pasando.
15:28Cada vez que digo que la jueza
15:31est谩 de licencia,
15:33inevitablemente pienso
15:36si quiso
15:37dar un paso al costado
15:40porque sab铆a lo que iba a suceder
15:43con este
15:44testimonio de Rodr铆guez ahora.
15:46Yo creo, digo,
15:47pero, pero antes,
15:48yo quiero escuchar a la gente.
15:49Lu, 驴me das las redes?
15:50Obvio, 11-50-50-33-0-0,
15:5311-50-50-33-0-0,
15:55o si no,
15:55arroba-alerta.247 en Instagram.
15:59驴Nos siguen?
15:59Que creo que ya debemos estar
16:00por los 20.000, 驴eh?
16:01S铆, ya tenemos un mensaje.
16:02Mir谩 c贸mo ser谩.
16:03Ya tenemos un mensaje.
16:04Ah铆 est谩.
16:05Mir谩, hashtag.
16:06Est谩bamos con la consigna de hoy
16:07que es no funcion贸.
16:09Que pensabas que iba a ir bien
16:10y no termin贸 funcionando.
16:11Hashtag, no funcion贸.
16:12En este pa铆s no funciona la justicia.
16:14Y bueno,
16:15claro ejemplo, 驴no?
16:15驴Cu谩nto va?
16:16Cinco, 驴cu谩ntos d铆as?
16:17Porque ya me perd铆 los d铆as.
16:18Me gusta decirlo en competici贸n.
16:19La verdad que son 150.
16:20Para dar dimensi贸n, 驴no?
16:22De hace cu谩ntos d铆as
16:24no se encuentra
16:25ni Aloan,
16:27ni pruebas contundentes
16:28de los responsables, 驴no?
16:30驴Sab茅s que ayer a la noche
16:31qui茅n me llam贸?
16:32驴Qui茅n?
16:33Jos茅.
16:35驴En serio?
16:35驴Hijo?
16:36Jos茅, hijo.
16:37Ah, hace un mont贸n que no hablabas.
16:38S铆.
16:39No, no habl茅 tampoco.
16:41No la atendiste.
16:41Te llam贸 y no la atendiste.
16:43No, no, no.
16:44Ahora cont谩s, ahora cont谩s.
16:44Esp茅rate, 驴llam贸 ayer?
16:45驴A qu茅 hora?
16:46No, a la noche.
16:47A la noche tarde.
16:47Es para...
16:48Hac铆a cu谩nto que no hablaban, perd贸n.
16:50Un mont贸n.
16:50Claro.
16:51Un mont贸n.
16:52驴Y te mand贸 un mensaje?
16:53No lo atendiste.
16:54No, no lo pude atender
16:55porque estaba ocupado.
16:57Terminemos con los mensajes.
16:58S铆, entendi贸 que s铆.
16:58Dale.
16:5911 50 50 33 00
17:01arroba alerta punto 24 7.
17:04Ese tipo no fue a sacar cajas
17:05de las casas que est谩
17:07al lado de la iglesia
17:08donde vivi贸 Maciel Gabriel
17:09de Uruguay.
17:10Esto lo sab茅s vos.
17:11Este tipo no fue a sacar...
17:13Ay, se me fue el mensaje.
17:15A ver, ponlo de vuelta.
17:16Si no hab铆a ido a sacar cajas
17:18de la iglesia donde vivi贸 Maciel Gabriel.
17:20驴C贸mo dice su Jim茅nez?
17:24隆Correcto!
17:24隆Correcto!
17:25As铆.
17:25隆Correcto!
17:26S铆, claro.
17:26隆Correcto!
17:27Es as铆.
17:28Por eso, chicos, yo le digo
17:31que todo tiene que ver con todo,
17:33que entiendo que esto
17:36Loan super贸 a Loan.
17:39Loan super贸
17:41a la causa misma
17:43que acab贸 que salir a pagar
17:44mucho foco de incendio,
17:45muchos, muchos,
17:47y ya ni siquiera quiz谩s
17:49por el caso Loan,
17:51sino que se abrieron muchos frentes
17:54y obviamente
17:56la pol铆tica siempre se te mete
17:58para empezar a pagar
18:00esos focos de incendio.
18:01En campa帽a electoral para...
18:03Y tirar a todos sus soldados.
18:04Para la elecci贸n de un gobernador.
18:06Yo creo que ac谩, chicos,
18:07todos...
18:08A ver.
18:10Yo creo que se movi贸 el aparato,
18:12驴s铆?
18:13Y que Loan pas贸 un segundo plano.
18:15Y que todos sab铆an que a Loan
18:16se lo chorearon,
18:17se lo llevaron,
18:18y que es muy dif铆cil,
18:20muy dif铆cil
18:22de poder rastrearlo.
18:24Ojal谩 me equivoque.
18:25Hay muchos que me dicen
18:25que va a aparecer con vida
18:26y ojal谩 as铆 sea.
18:28As铆 sea.
18:29De hecho, hasta le apost茅 a una mujer
18:30que si aparece yo salgo con peluca
18:32violeta ac谩.
18:33No tengo problema.
18:34No me importa nada.
18:35Con tal que aparezcan,
18:36hago lo que ustedes me pidan.
18:37驴S铆?
18:39Creo que el aparato se movi贸
18:42y empezaron a embarrar todo.
18:44驴S铆?
18:44Y te aparecieron personajes
18:46de todo tipo, tama帽o y color.
18:49Entonces nada me extra帽a
18:51que hoy pongan
18:54un mont贸n de personajes nuevos.
18:56Vos me dec铆s,
18:57no, pero Vera es de la Alameda,
18:59hizo un mont贸n de cosas.
19:01Seguramente.
19:02驴Es de mi confianza?
19:03No.
19:05Nahuel.
19:06Habla Nahuel no el programa, 驴eh?
19:07S铆.
19:08Nahuel.
19:09No es de tu confianza.
19:10M铆a, no, no, no, no, no, no.
19:12M铆a.
19:13M铆a, m铆a.
19:14驴Qu茅 hace?
19:15Pero no es que tengo...
19:16Par谩.
19:17No es que tengo
19:19alguna prueba contra Vera.
19:21No, no, realmente.
19:22No es algo que no...
19:24No, no.
19:24A ver, 驴sab茅s que no entiendo de Vera?
19:27驴O de lo que genera Vera?
19:29Porque es cierto, uno ve las redes.
19:32No es una fuente
19:33ultra fiable, pero
19:35tiene muchos detractores.
19:37No entiendo c贸mo una persona
19:40que lucha contra un delito
19:42tan sensible para la sociedad
19:44como la trata,
19:46que es cercano al Papa Francisco.
19:48Dejo de lado la iglesia, que tenemos
19:51cientos de miles de cr铆ticas con la iglesia.
19:53Pero bueno, el Papa Francisco
19:56dentro de todo, si bien
19:58juega
19:59el juego del poder,
20:01es el Papa, 驴no?
20:03Y es un tipo que dice la cosa
20:05que le parece
20:06y a priori no...
20:08no es de los corruptos.
20:10S铆.
20:11Uno supone, a ver.
20:12Mir谩, yo te voy a...
20:13驴Por qu茅 lo critican?
20:14Yo te voy a hacer sincero en algo
20:15y nadie te lo va a querer contar.
20:18Ah, eso...
20:18Nadie te lo va a querer contar.
20:23Por ah铆 ustedes no laburaban en el mundo de lo policial,
20:26pero Vera no es un nombre y apellido
20:30reciente.
20:33驴Desbarat贸 prost铆bulos en La Plata?
20:35S铆, es cierto.
20:37S铆.
20:37Es cierto, lo desbarat贸.
20:39Pero tambi茅n es cierto
20:41que a 茅l lo vienen mirando
20:44desde el caso Martins.
20:46驴El caso Martins?
20:47S铆.
20:48驴Cu谩l es el caso Martins?
20:49Al culo que vos, Carlito,
20:50驴sab茅s de lo que estoy hablando?
20:52S铆, s铆, un hombre vinculado a los servicios de inteligencia...
20:55Perd贸n, es vos me correg铆s.
20:56No, dale, dale, dale.
20:57Un hombre vinculado a los servicios de inteligencia
20:59que reagenteaba
21:00o estaba vinculado al mundo de los prost铆bulos...
21:05S铆, trata de personas con fines de explotaci贸n sexual.
21:07S铆.
21:08Desde aquel momento
21:10lo vienen mirando.
21:12Pero, perd贸n,
21:14驴hizo una investigaci贸n
21:16contra un agente de la SIDA y por tu grado...
21:18Vuelvo a repetir.
21:19Vuelvo a repetir.
21:20Esto tiene 30 a帽os, no tiene dos d铆as.
21:23驴S铆?
21:27Mir谩,
21:28yo no digo que...
21:30No lo voy a decir.
21:32Est谩 bien, est谩 bien, est谩 bien.
21:33Pero, nada, vos me dec铆s,
21:35Vera,
21:36驴es de tu confianza?
21:37No.
21:37Pero nadie es de mi confianza.
21:39No hay que ver a nadie.
21:40Porque yo hoy lo escuchaba por ah铆 a Gallego hablando,
21:44y yo hay cosas que compart铆a con Gallego lo que dec铆a hoy, 驴eh?
21:47Yo hay cosas que compart铆a.
21:49驴Es de tu confianza, Gallego?
21:51Negativ铆simo.
21:53Natalia Ophelia.
21:54Negativo, no.
21:55Natalia Ophelia.
21:55No, imposible, no.
21:57Yo la conoc铆a.
21:57Natalia Ophelia, 驴vos no la sab铆as, esa?
21:59Mir谩 c贸mo me mira.
22:00Natalia Ophelia.
22:00Luvaldi me mira con esa cara de amor, claro,
22:04dice, no, flaco, no est谩s.
22:06Dec铆s no.
22:06S铆, claro.
22:07Dec铆s negativo.
22:07Tenemos corte de Vera, hoy con Andino.
22:12A ver.
22:12A ver qu茅 dec铆a.
22:13D谩melo.
22:38Por lo tanto, hacer intervenir al SIFEU,
22:40hacer intervenir la alerta SOFIA,
22:43sincronizar, digamos, los alertas con migraci贸n,
22:45RTN, Vialidad, CNRT, etc., etc.
22:49En segundo lugar, ustedes recordar谩n que yo denunci茅
22:51el encubrimiento agravado que se vio en Cadena Nacional
22:55cuando Jos茅 Codazzi, que es el esposo,
22:58Vera es el esposo de la secretaria privada de aquel entonces
23:02ministro de seguridad Buenaventura Duarte,
23:04llev贸 a la Audelina a las tres de la ma帽ana,
23:07junto con el senador Pellegrini,
23:08a declarar ante un fuero que no correspond铆a,
23:11ante la Fiscal铆a Provincial de Sotelo y despu茅s de Rubinao,
23:15la hip贸tesis de un falso accidente
23:17que despu茅s no pudo comprobarse de ninguna manera
23:21y que adem谩s despu茅s demiti贸 la propia Audelina,
23:24Macarena, los propios medios
23:26de pr谩cticamente todo el periodismo en la Argentina.
23:30Y bueno, y despu茅s present茅 testigos,
23:33present茅 una testigo en particular
23:35a trav茅s de la familia de Loan Pe帽a,
23:39a trav茅s de Jos茅,
23:40una testigo que empez贸 a plantear
23:43algunas posibles hip贸tesis
23:45del entramado narco que hab铆a en la zona,
23:47y la posible desaparici贸n de Loan,
23:49y la participaci贸n en ese entramado narco
23:52de algunos de los protagonistas que hoy est谩n detenidos
23:55y otros que todav铆a no est谩n detenidos.
23:57Ahora, 驴qu茅 pasa?
23:58Cuando yo empec茅 a hablar del narco y del poder pol铆tico,
24:01bueno, empezaron todo este tipo de operaciones
24:03y vos f铆jate que inconsistente es que la denuncia,
24:06que el se帽or Gallego, ustedes lo pueden googlear,
24:08en varios medios, inclusive en Am茅rica 24,
24:11dijo que mi declaraci贸n testimonial,
24:14la del 30 de octubre pasado,
24:15no dije absolutamente nada,
24:17no aport茅 nada,
24:19no s茅 nada de Loan,
24:20y resulta que hace minutos acaba de decir
24:23que s茅 d贸nde est谩 Loan.
24:24No, o que...
24:25O que guionaste cosas, guionaste cosas.
24:29La denuncia, la denuncia habla de
24:32presunta asociaci贸n il铆cita.
24:35O sea, vos ped铆s la detenci贸n de una persona
24:38por algo presunto que ni siquiera ten茅s probado.
24:43驴Quedan cositas?
24:44S铆, pero son privadas, entonces.
24:46S铆, de la CAP, privadas de la causa, pero...
24:50Gustavo Vera, la pregunta es f谩cil, te la hago.
24:54驴H茅roe o villano?
24:56驴Qui茅n?
24:57Gustavo Vera.
24:58Vuelvo a repetir.
24:59驴H茅roe o villano?
25:01Parte, porque lo que est谩 diciendo la querella es,
25:04es parte de la estructura,
25:08que cuanto menos quiso desviar la investigaci贸n,
25:14lo ponen a Vera,
25:15incluso alguno ha nombrado a Fernando Burlando
25:19como parte de esa estructura,
25:21y realmente, uno dice,
25:23pero si van por la verdad,
25:26dicen que van a...
25:29Mir谩, ah铆 est谩 la denuncia.
25:31Objeto concreto,
25:32esto lo firmaron los pap谩s de Lohan, la querella,
25:36y hacen este pedido,
25:37que venimos en legal tiempo
25:40y forma a promover denuncia criminal
25:43contra Gustavo Javier Vera,
25:46presidente de la Fundaci贸n La Alameda,
25:49y a su vez contra los que de la pesquisa resultaren
25:53coautores de un delito, 驴no?
25:55Coautores, c贸mplices, part铆cipes o encubridores,
26:01y ac谩 vienen los delitos,
26:02por la posible comisi贸n de los siguientes delitos,
26:05de asociaci贸n il铆cita, cita el articulado,
26:09y puntualmente el falso testimonio en el cual incurri贸,
26:14presuntamente el d铆a 30 de octubre del 20, 24,
26:19malos delitos que de la investigaci贸n
26:21pudieran resultar cometidos,
26:23a su vez se realice trabajo de inteligencia policial y judicial
26:29para determinar el alcance,
26:30y ac谩 est谩, digamos, el elenco de nombres que empiezan a aparecer,
26:34el alcance de los involucrados en el delito de asociaci贸n il铆cita,
26:40denunciado por tener comunicaciones y reuniones entre s铆.
26:44驴A qui茅nes metemos en esta asociaci贸n il铆cita?
26:46Yo te soy sincero en algo, para m铆...
26:54Yo creo que todos son parte de esta serie, 驴entend茅s?
27:01Y mal o bien, todos tienen v铆nculo de algo.
27:05Por ejemplo, yo estuve, me mantuve firme,
27:07y me aguant茅 la puteada, 驴eh?
27:08Porque yo soy uno que me aguant茅 la puteada,
27:11y hasta de colegas m铆os, cuando yo te dije,
27:16el cabez贸n L贸pez es narco o narcomenudeo,
27:22pero nada tiene que ver con la desaparici贸n de Lohan.
27:26驴Est谩 bien preso? Perfecto, porque vend铆a falopa.
27:30驴Tiene algo que ver? No.
27:34No tiene, lo sostuve, lo banqu茅,
27:37y de hecho no est谩 en la causa de la desaparici贸n de Lohan.
27:43El americano, seg煤n palabras del hermano del cabez贸n L贸pez,
27:49es el que fue y le ofreci贸 coca铆na y le ofreci贸 plata
27:53para que haga un video diciendo que el nene
27:56estaba en la isla de las damas, que era el cabez贸n L贸pez,
27:59y lo quer铆a meter a toda costa.
28:02En eso trabaj贸 mucho el americano.
28:04S铆. Vera tambi茅n.
28:06Vera tambi茅n.
28:07Diciendo que el cabez贸n L贸pez tiene que ver...
28:10Es cierto.
28:11Bueno, 3x8, 24, me lleg贸. No es tanto.
28:16Pero par谩, 驴vos cre茅s que yo te sorprenda con algo?
28:19驴M谩s?
28:20Siempre.
28:21No.
28:22Siempre.
28:23B煤scame el segundo apellido del escano, 驴cu谩l es?
28:27A ver.
28:28No me digas.
28:29B煤scame el segundo apellido.
28:31驴Qu茅 tal el certificado? B煤squenlo en el certificado.
28:35S铆, por favor, b煤squenlo en el certificado.
28:38A ver.
28:39Ac谩 te lo muestro.
28:40Ah, bueno.
28:41Ah.
28:42No.
28:44Podemos pensar que es un apellido muy com煤n.
28:48Es muy com煤n.
28:49Pero bueno, en una de las causas...
28:52Mar铆a Luisa.
28:54Mar铆a Luisa, el escano Rodr铆guez.
28:56Rodr铆guez.
28:58驴Qu茅?
28:59驴Qu茅 Rodr铆guez?
29:00Que el general Rodr铆guez,
29:02que est谩 declarando ahora el jefe de la Divisi贸n de Delitos Complejos
29:05de la Polic铆a de Corrientes,
29:09lleg贸 a saquearse, no con la cabeza, como diciendo...
29:13Esto lo vi desde el primer d铆a.
29:15Claro.
29:16Desde el primer d铆a, lo vengo diciendo, lo vengo comentando,
29:20no se me est谩 escuchando, y bueno, ac谩 est谩n las consecuencias.
29:24Un d茅j脿 vu.
29:25Esto es un d茅j脿 vu, esa es la palabra.
29:27Es un d茅j脿 vu jur铆dico.
29:29Yo vengo dici茅ndolo y promulg谩ndolo
29:31desde el primer minuto cero, ac谩 en el programa,
29:34pele谩ndome con vos, con Nahuel, con Carlos, con Lu.
29:37Me pel茅 con todos.
29:38Nadie me quer铆a hacer caso, nadie me quer铆a escuchar.
29:41Y la realidad es esta, que ahora seguimos en el d铆a no s茅 cu谩nto,
29:46con el chico desaparecido y con todos estos delincuentes perversos
29:50que pr谩cticamente hicieron un pacto de silencio
29:53y nadie dice nada, nadie dice nada.
29:57Entonces, 驴la realidad cu谩l es?
29:59驴Que tengo que seguir escuchando tu bla, bla, bla?
30:01驴No?
30:03驴Pero est谩s de acuerdo con vos, lo que dice Nahuel?
30:05驴Por qu茅 te habla as铆?
30:07驴Por qu茅 de acuerdo?
30:08Yo con Nahuel no estoy de acuerdo, en principio.
30:11Yo estoy hablando ac谩 que hay una realidad.
30:13Ac谩 hay un abuso intrafamiliar, se帽ores.
30:16Vayan por ese lado.
30:18Entonces, el 煤nico que yo le pon铆a una banderita de confianza
30:22que era este M茅ndez, realmente me est谩 defraudando.
30:25Era el 煤nico que estaba siendo de abogado de verdad.
30:29El resto, payasesco.
30:31Payasesco todos los letrados.
30:34Uno por uno, los abogados que intervinieron en esta causa,
30:38m谩s que todo en la querella, pasayescos.
30:42Todos.
30:43Que se pongan un gorro, que salgan al circo.
30:45Entonces, realmente, creer que vos, Nahuel Su谩rez,
30:49ahora me va a decir que realmente esto es una sorpresa.
30:52Esto no es una sorpresa, chicos.
30:54Esto es una realidad que se ven铆a a venir.
30:57Lo comentamos siempre, lo charlamos siempre.
31:00Entonces, 驴qu茅 tengo que hacer?
31:02驴Imp谩vido quedarme y el chico desaparecido?
31:04Y escuchar a M茅ndez denunciando 500 personas,
31:07denunciando 400...
31:09No, denuncien m谩s, chicos.
31:11Denuncien, aporten pruebas para encontrar al menor.
31:15No, denunciar y denunciar y denunciar.
31:17驴Ya est谩?
31:18Es que vengo contento de esto.
31:19Toma un poco de agua.
31:20Toma agua.
31:21Escucha, escucha.
31:23驴Baj贸?
31:24驴Est谩s bien?
31:26No.
31:27No, pero...
31:28No estoy bien.
31:29Mientras Lohan no aparezca, no estoy bien.
31:31Le ponemos algo para relajar, algunas gotitas de algo.
31:36Te cuento algo, te cuento algo.
31:38Fui al m茅dico hace una semana atr谩s y me dijo,
31:41mira, vos empezaste un decaimiento y concuerda
31:44con la fecha que aparecieron.
31:46Todos estos payasos, en la causa Lohan,
31:48a complicarle todo.
31:49Para esta soma.
31:51Los payasos...
31:52Son abogados.
31:53Son abogados, 驴eh?
31:54En principio.
31:55No le quieras cagar la vida a los payasos.
31:57Los payasos son payasos y lo m谩s lindo que hay en el mundo.
31:59Ah, claro.
32:00Los abogados son otra especie, horribles.
32:03Claro.
32:04驴Por qu茅 no estudian? 驴Por qu茅 no agarran los libros?
32:06驴Me escuch谩s de lo que estamos hablando?
32:08驴Me escuch谩s de lo que estamos hablando?
32:09S铆, s铆, s铆.
32:10S铆, s铆, s铆.
32:12Primero peinate.
32:13Vamos a arrancar bien.
32:14Acomodate la corda.
32:15Ya lo s茅.
32:16Sabes que no est谩 pasando en buen momento.
32:18Tienes que llegar temprano, porque en la primera parte
32:20es el programa de nosotros.
32:21Hacemos terapia en la primera parte.
32:22Pero no s茅 d贸nde est谩s vos.
32:23Fue rotando el programa.
32:25Fue rotando.
32:26Nosotros lo que tenemos...
32:27El doctor Zuckert entr贸 con todo.
32:28S铆, escuch谩 lo que te digo.
32:29Entr贸 con la verdad.
32:31Me cansaron estos.
32:32No necesito de vos, pero ese abogado serio.
32:36Ese abogado que todos queremos.
32:42Ac谩 lo que se est谩 en discusi贸n es lo siguiente.
32:44Ahora est谩 declarando el comisario general Rodr铆guez
32:48de delitos complejos, de la polic铆a de corrientes,
32:51que es el mismo que 茅l teniendo a cargo los celulares
32:56secuestrados, algunos celulares se abrieron.
32:59脡l dice que por error involuntario seguramente
33:01no se va a hacer responsable.
33:02Segundo, es el que acompa帽贸 a la Audelina o estuvo
33:05en el momento de que abrieron la fiscal铆a
33:07para que la Audelina declaren fuero ordinario
33:10cuando delito complejo, no s茅 si estaba pedido
33:13por la fiscal铆a.
33:14No estaba pedido.
33:16No estaba pedido.
33:17Bien, 驴y por qu茅?
33:18驴Se puede meter una fuerza porque quiero?
33:19No, porque quiere no.
33:20Evidentemente, o alguien pidi贸 colaboraci贸n
33:23o la fiscal铆a dio la orden.
33:24Si no la pidi贸, evidentemente asumi贸
33:26una conducta criminal con alg煤n fin.
33:29Ahora apareci贸 el pedido de detenci贸n de Gustavo Vera.
33:33Te estoy adelantando el programa as铆.
33:36No, lo escuch茅, lo vengo escuchando.
33:38Lo de Vera es una bomba de humo.
33:41Porque M茅ndez lo que tiene que hacer es actuar de querellante.
33:45En Capital Federal, en el fuero de naci贸n,
33:48se llama querellante.
33:49Y el querellante no es denunciador querulante.
33:51Y lo que est谩 haciendo es pasar de querellante
33:54a ser un querulante.
33:55Un querulante es un t茅rmino jur铆dico que se utiliza
33:57a las personas que denuncian, denuncian y denuncian.
33:59Pero lo pide la madre, no lo pide M茅ndez.
34:01No, no lo pide la madre.
34:03Lo pide Mar铆a.
34:05T茅cnicamente, jur铆dicamente.
34:07Mar铆a, pobrecita, lamentablemente est谩 viviendo
34:10el peor momento de su vida,
34:11entonces no creo que tenga la posibilidad
34:14de poder discernir entre qu茅 tiene que pedir y qu茅 no.
34:17Tiene un asesoramiento letrado.
34:18A ver, traducime.
34:19Mir谩, el graf dice Vera.
34:21驴H茅roe o villano?
34:23驴Vera?
34:24S铆.
34:25驴C贸mo?
34:28驴C贸mo?
34:29Vera, el 煤nico error que comete es meterse.
34:34Vera no se tendr铆a que haber metido.
34:36Eso si tiene que ser un mega culpa y decir
34:38驴para qu茅 me meto yo en algo que no tengo nada que ver?
34:40驴Operativo de distracci贸n?
34:41Como sucedi贸 con alguna de las detenciones...
34:44No, operativo busco humo se llama eso.
34:46Est谩 bien pero ahora yo te pregunto lo siguiente.
34:48Es contraf谩ctico, no lo s茅 todav铆a.
34:52Pero ponele que hay una vinculaci贸n.
34:54Vera, Americano, Lescano, Rodriguez.
34:58I have information.
35:00Then give it to me.
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