00:00Look, it's a city that's rarely been without football drama, isn't it?
00:03You know, I think I read that there's been over or around 50 promotions and relegations
00:08between the two, Sheffield Wednesday and Sheffield Tonight, over the years.
00:12And even though sort of proper success in terms of, you know, major trophies and things
00:16like that is, shall we say, a while ago.
00:19They are two pretty storied football clubs, aren't they?
00:22They are.
00:23I mean, this is the fourth book I've done in this series of Turf Wars.
00:26There was one about London clubs, then Lancashire and then Yorkshire.
00:29And one of the themes which comes out of all of them, in the West Midlands as well, is
00:34that once clubs, clubs all have their ups and downs.
00:39We know that.
00:40And as you've said, United and Wednesday are one of the best examples to the ups and downs
00:46between the divisions.
00:48They have their ups and downs.
00:49But also, once a club becomes a biggish club, in my opinion, they tend to stay there.
00:57If a club is a small club, it's very, very hard for them to make that leap.
01:02It's an interesting exercise, if you ever feel like it, to write down who you think
01:07are your top 20 biggest clubs in the country.
01:11I know a lot of people in Sheffield would have one or both.
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