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En las últimas horas, se encontró una nueva víctima bajo los escombros del Apart Hotel Dubrovnik, que estaba siendo reformado. Un arquitecto de la obra y otros cinco individuos, entre ellos los albañiles que se salvaron, están detenidos acusados de estrago culposo. Los equipos de rescate continúan trabajando en el lugar 24/7, retirando escombros y buscando posibles supervivientes.
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00:00Hotel Apart, Hotel Dubrovnik, with the news that we unfortunately have from the last hours.
00:07Information about the architect of this reform, what was happening,
00:12he reached the foundations, he is working in the place,
00:15there was a new victim in the last hours that appeared under the rubble.
00:20Well, they touched beams and columns.
00:23All these answers are from Villagese, the host of the program, Alejandro Pueblas.
00:28Ale.
00:29He keeps working, he was working all night, he kept removing rubble.
00:33We could now access meters of rubble,
00:36look, so you can appreciate exactly the rubble that is being removed.
00:40We are meters away, there we have a window frame.
00:43Look at what the columns are in the back where the irons are seen.
00:46Look at what the doors are.
00:48Well, among those rubble they found Nahuel's body.
00:50Nahuel who wanted to flee down the stairs and that the building did not give him time,
00:54because those who crush Nahuel are practically the beams of the stairs.
00:59When something like this happens, one says that he is protected on the stairs.
01:03Well, it is seen that in that last moment of life Nahuel tried to reach the part of the stairs.
01:09Part that did not resist either,
01:11he has not resisted anything of this building that has been left in rubble.
01:14Now it is about reaching Dana's body.
01:16And they are also close to the back of the workers,
01:19which in principle are four, and this must be said.
01:22Four registered.
01:23But hey, the hotel did not have a record of who entered and who left.
01:26Two kittens are also being searched,
01:28which were property and were the owners of Nahuel and Dana,
01:32who apparently came to be there.
01:34Let's remember that one of the dogs was already found,
01:36which was from Sonia, also unfortunately lifeless.
01:39And the probe is not throwing answers.
01:42The dogs are not throwing answers.
01:45That is why the tasks are accelerated, as we are seeing here.
01:48Now we are meters away from the piles of rubble.
01:50Look, let's get a little closer as far as they allow us.
01:53I know we can't get any closer.
01:56So far they have allowed us so that you can observe
01:58what types of rubble are being removed and where they are.
02:01So far we can get closer.
02:02Look, part of the columns, part of the beams,
02:06part of the buckets that have remained from the work.
02:09And there comes another container that they have just removed from the building
02:13and you will see how shocking it is to see how the pieces fall.
02:18How has the Lubrodnik remained?
02:21A ten-story building standing and how it is now reduced
02:24practically to these rubble that is going to fall now on those who are there.
02:29Among the rubble you are amazed, you see hairdryers,
02:32you see some belongings destroyed.
02:36Imagine that there is not a single hairdryer left.
02:39We were just seeing small things among the rubble
02:43that caught our attention.
02:45And I was just telling Nico Chazarreta, the cameraman,
02:47look at what that is.
02:49Well, that's what happened in the Lubrodnik.
02:52That's how part of the pieces have remained.
02:54That's why the hopes of life are very few.
02:57When we get closer, we are almost at the door of the building
03:01where they are now throwing part of what is one of the cables
03:06that that container has and that's why I wanted to show it.
03:09Notice that it is more concrete.
03:11Well, it is one of the last slabs to reach the first subsoil,
03:15what they are unloading now, yes.
03:17I want to ask you the following,
03:19because you have been there for many hours as a guard,
03:22about the presence or not, if you could see,
03:25of some of the signing owners.
03:27And if you know well what it is about,
03:30because even if it seems like a lie,
03:32then the scams have to be licensed, right?
03:37Yes, all this is going to be licensed.
03:39The owners did not even appear in this place.
03:43Yesterday in Madariaga, one of the responsible architects stopped.
03:47And I estimate that they are going to stop
03:49and the two signing architects will be arrested.
03:52The problem is these frames of these windows,
03:55that you are seeing here.
03:57These windows are going to be licensed.
04:00That's why we wanted to get there,
04:02because we knew they were taking this part of the building.
04:05This is the denounced part.
04:07This is the part that could not be done.
04:09And these rubble is going to be highly polluted.
04:13Look, without going any further,
04:15when I was with Diego Traffelli in the first days,
04:17he got an image of how, with wood,
04:19they wanted to have a road that was 10 floors high.
04:21Well, there are things that cannot be done.
04:23There are things that physics does not allow.
04:25Well, it was obvious, right?
04:27That we have to have a little more respect for the construction.
04:30Now, those who have to give an answer,
04:32as you just said, there is still time.
04:35The authorities said it yesterday and so on.
04:37Look, now we are focused on getting the bodies out
04:40and see if a miracle happens.
04:42We are waiting for a miracle,
04:44but all this has to be licensed,
04:47the way it was worked.
04:49Now they are in the bathroom part of one of the last rooms
04:52and the part that I was telling you about,
04:54already starting the first basement by the staircase.
04:56Another container is going to arrive here,
04:58so that they understand the speed at which it is being worked,
05:00to be able to get as low as possible.
05:02Look, there it is going to empty
05:04and they are going to see that there are some heavier stones,
05:06because they are already parts of iron
05:08regarding the construction of the staircase.
05:11That is why now they will also see in this container
05:15that is arriving.
05:16This is recently removed from Dubrovnik.
05:19Okay?
05:20We are already meters away
05:22and it is one of the bathrooms of the second and first floor.
05:25Look, there you can see the bathtub.
05:28Do you see it?
05:29It is about to fall.
05:30There it is going to fall, the bathtub,
05:31and all the material begins to fall over it.
05:35Look at the ground.
05:37Why did we want to show this?
05:39Because the people,
05:42many stayed among those rubble.
05:44I mean, imagine this to breathe.
05:47If not, if you were lucky enough
05:50that you can stay in a lung of life
05:53and that a column does not grab you and so on,
05:56in that place,
05:57you had to deal with all this dust,
05:59which also allowed the dogs
06:01not to locate people so quickly.
06:05Because the truth is that there are parts
06:08that were literally made of dust.
06:11Yes?
06:12It was a fall explosion.
06:14Because there was no explosion.
06:15It fell in two parts.
06:17And there I let you see.
06:19The expansive wave of the first part flew.
06:21Those who were left alive,
06:23from the door of Dubrovnik to the middle of the street,
06:26expelled them, fired them,
06:28and then they ended up running
06:30when police and firefighters came.
06:32I mean, the situation was shocking.
06:35And now, when they unload this,
06:37the floor vibrates.
06:38Imagine when the building fell.
06:40We just talked about that with the cameraman.
06:42What the people here must have felt.
06:46Ale, it would be imminent to reach Dana, right?
06:50At this time?
06:53A few meters.
06:56What I understand is that it is a few meters.
06:59So you have to be attentive to any communication.
07:02We are also close to the Minister coming,
07:05or Fabián García,
07:07who is also in charge of the security
07:10of the province of Buenos Aires,
07:12of the tasks that are being done,
07:14to inform how many of us are there
07:17and how many of the workers are there.
07:20Families are gathering.
07:22Families are uncertain.
07:24They are well informed.
07:26They are being very, very, very careful
07:28by psychologists and staff.
07:30But the situation is critical.
07:32When they are going to enter now,
07:34what Nico Chacarreta is going to show
07:36is a delegation of firefighters
07:38who have just brought some tools.
07:40Look, there is an entrance
07:42with a different machinery
07:44to finish cutting beams
07:46and be able to tie those beams,
07:48be able to strengthen those slings
07:50and take out in a hurry
07:52entire floors.
07:54They take out practically entire slabs
07:56and there we can see live
07:58how this delegation enters,
08:00who also enter to risk their lives.
08:02They enter to get into debris
08:04that could be in a new collapse.
08:06Ale, yesterday we were live
08:08when you gave the sad news
08:10about Nahuel,
08:12the last deceased boy,
08:14who would be Dana's boyfriend.
08:16Is this true?
08:19Yes, it is believed,
08:21by everything that has been transcended,
08:23that it is Dana's partner.
08:25We have little information about the families
08:27because they are very contained
08:29and far from the press.
08:31That's what I was going to ask you.
08:33Yes, practically we have not been able
08:35to dialogue with family for very little
08:37and also one out of respect,
08:39and that must be said.
08:41I have had the chance to be close
08:43and see the family badly
08:45and I have not put the camera
08:47because it is very cold when you see
08:49a situation like this.
08:51And when they were in conditions
08:53where you could see them talking,
08:55the psychologists approached
08:57and did not allow us to do the interview
08:59because they said that after the note
09:01comes the crisis.
09:03So we also understood
09:05and gave distance.
09:07The truth is that they are being monitored
09:09and also advised minute by minute
09:11of what is happening with the works.
09:13When they take another giant container
09:15to load them in a truck
09:17and take them to the municipal corral,
09:19where they are being delimited
09:21and where they will be licensed.
09:23Ale, you are from the beginning of the week,
09:25from the beginning of the fact,
09:27with what is happening.
09:29They have not stopped, right?
09:31Because we are at this time,
09:33on a Sunday,
09:35and we see them working.
09:37It has not stopped at any time?
09:3924 uninterrupted hours
09:41since they got here to work.
09:43They work like this,
09:45with shifts of approximately 300 people
09:47who rotate every 4 or 8 hours
09:49depending on the extent of the work,
09:51some every 2 hours,
09:53depending on the task.
09:55I know that some firefighters
09:57from the DOAR
09:59are constantly,
10:01but they have to rotate every 2 hours
10:03because their work is also terrible.
10:05They rotate at different times,
10:07but there are 300 people
10:09constantly
10:11practically removing debris
10:13and organizing.
10:15Each one fulfills his role
10:17within this organization.
10:19So far it has been very good,
10:21except yesterday
10:23that some characters appeared
10:25who did not understand
10:27what was happening,
10:29which complicated our work
10:31as much as all the people
10:33who were here.
10:35How is that, Ale?
10:37The truth must be highlighted.
10:39They talked about how they were working
10:41and they came to cause some problems.
10:43These people are obviously
10:45no longer here causing problems.
10:47They were located
10:49correspondingly by the authorities,
10:51but nothing.
10:53It is seen that they did not know
10:55how we were working
10:57or how anyone worked.
10:59And there was the only ...
11:01I have to say it,
11:03and I'm going to put it on camera.
11:05The only time we noticed
11:07was when this person appeared.
11:09Then you have to say it.
11:11The other days I said,
11:13I do not usually say
11:15that they are working badly.
11:17I tend to be more critical
11:19because one sees the bad things.
11:21Well, now the truth is
11:23that the Ministry of Security
11:25of the province of Buenos Aires
11:27has worked very well,
11:29except for some members
11:31of those ministries
11:33who arrived yesterday
11:35and the coordination
11:37not only of the municipal staff,
11:39but of all the fire departments
11:41that have come from the Argentine Republic
11:43to work with a level of coordination
11:45that has caught the attention
11:47because here where there is no coordination
11:49there is an accident, okay?
11:51And so far there was no accident,
11:53there was no miscoordination.
11:55So we must say that the main professionals
11:57and heroes of the Argentine Republic
11:59are working here
12:01to try to get the victims out of the rubble.
12:03In addition, we are seeing the work
12:05with respect from a place,
12:07informing, respecting the positions
12:09in which both you and Diego
12:11can be.
12:13I remember that at some point
12:15you told us, as only happened
12:17at the beginning of this type of tragedy,
12:19that silence was asked,
12:21also collaborating with you
12:23with that silence to be able to hear
12:25between the rubble if there was any victim
12:27asking for help.
12:29I think they handled it that way.
12:31Yes, yes, they needed no vibrations.
12:33The engines were also turned off,
12:35everything was turned off.
12:37We could talk,
12:39or if we wanted,
12:41most of us decided to whisper,
12:43but if we wanted we could talk,
12:45but we could not generate vibrations
12:47because the sound they made
12:49was like a stethoscope
12:51and it came practically
12:53to be able to feel
12:55a strong heartbeat.
12:57But hey,
12:59I'm going to send you
13:01to Erika,
13:03I don't know if you have it there,
13:05how they were looking for Sonia,
13:07the firefighters,
13:09and how, the truth is that it is very strong,
13:11how they were rescuing
13:13Sonia's body,
13:15and they will have,
13:17whatever they want to use,
13:19the scream of the rescuer.
13:21Yes, the images of the
13:23boulders,
13:25how they are
13:27removing parts
13:29of what that hotel was, right?
13:31Ale was just saying,
13:33there are hair dryers, of course,
13:35it was a hotel, although at this time
13:37they were not in activity,
13:39they were just doing these remodeling,
13:41but there are objects of each room,
13:43each room that ended up compressed, destroyed.
13:45The urinal lid.
13:47That's why, that's why I was also saying,
13:49there is a urinal lid,
13:51they were rooms that were gradually
13:53being destroyed, there is a part of a bathtub
13:55that can be seen.
13:57Yes, yes, the part of the shower.
13:59The truth is that it is shocking
14:01to see this, because when one sees
14:03lost rubble,
14:05beyond the fact that it always impacts you
14:07that a ten-story building falls this way,
14:09when you see these things,
14:11you understand what happened,
14:13and the gravity of what happened.
14:15What moves Fer is when you see these images
14:17that Ale and Nico Chazarrita
14:19from Villagecel are giving us,
14:21it is that it attempts against
14:23expectations, right?
14:25Because we,
14:27from the background, for example,
14:29in earthquakes that have left
14:31hundreds of victims,
14:33as in Turkey, for example,
14:35where they have found victims
14:37after a week, practically, of being
14:39under the rubble.
14:41Obviously, the hope, the expectation
14:43is always latent with the
14:45denoted work that we are observing
14:47on the part of the fire stations
14:49that are working among the rubble.
14:51And when one sees these images
14:53of such a level of destruction,
14:57it is as if one aspires deep
14:59and tries to find
15:01hopes and expectations
15:03where there are none.
15:05One of the issues that Ale dealt with
15:07as soon as we started today with this mobile
15:09was that of detentions.
15:11Ale, you focused,
15:13of course, on the lives,
15:15on what can happen under the rubble,
15:17but you told us and spoke
15:19about the architect,
15:21you also spoke of a firm architect,
15:23because at some point,
15:25I don't know if there was confusion
15:27or there was information that was spoken,
15:29no, they are looking for the architect,
15:31of course, but then one of the workers
15:33who was working in the work
15:35declared and speaks of an architect
15:37who ends up being arrested.
15:39Yes, an architect who was the one
15:41who gave the orders and who told them
15:43let's not stop until we have orders from above.
15:45Well, everyone is going to have
15:47to be specific in something
15:49and we have to see how justice
15:51handles it.
15:53But the owner,
15:55to whom it is all in line
15:57to check the buildings and everything else,
15:59will have to be flogged
16:01and see what they find on their cell phones.
16:03Because the owner can say,
16:05look, I hired this company,
16:07I have nothing to do with it,
16:09what am I going to know?
16:11If I don't know anything about construction,
16:13the owner can tell you.
16:15Be careful, be careful,
16:17that the defense,
16:19so that no one gets angry later
16:21in the streets,
16:23the defense of the owner
16:25can be quite simple.
16:27I was talking to some professionals
16:29and they told me,
16:31look, if they don't find on their cell phones
16:33or compromising talks,
16:35that the architect tells them,
16:37look, we have to stop,
16:39boss, it's urgent,
16:41and the man says, look,
16:43if they don't comply,
16:45but they will have a responsibility.
16:47Now we have to see how far it goes
16:49and how to defend the owner.
16:51That's why now they are advocating,
16:53I say it again,
16:55although justice goes in parallel,
16:57yesterday there were people from the EDI
16:59reviewing some particular things,
17:01this camera was installed,
17:03which you will now see here,
17:05also because it is specialized
17:07so that everything is filmic,
17:09several cameras like this were installed
17:11for several hours,
17:13although all this is being analyzed,
17:15well, until all the bodies are removed,
17:17I estimate that we will not have
17:19the precise information
17:21of everything that is happening
17:23in a legal way.
17:25Yes, the investigation is advanced,
17:27but attention to where it can go.
17:29Let's see, the statement
17:31that the firm
17:33released,
17:35not only Cortés,
17:37but the six people in the board,
17:39at least, it was the conical one,
17:41they did not put a name and surname,
17:43and I understand
17:45that something can be dispensed
17:47of what you were saying
17:49linked to what
17:51they were talking about,
17:53both he and the contractors,
17:55one of them is detained,
17:57in some tablets
17:59and in some folders
18:01that could be rescued
18:03in the raids
18:05that took place yesterday,
18:07I would wait because
18:09let's remember that those who are detained
18:11at this moment, there are five,
18:13there are six,
18:15an architect joined,
18:17they are under the
18:19accusation of the crime
18:21of guilty break-in,
18:23that is, there they speak of imperialism,
18:25I don't know,
18:27I would wait
18:29before thinking
18:31that, well,
18:33he can get to Safa with such a laconic defense.
18:37With many professionals
18:39and what I said
18:41is that it is defendable,
18:43I was told, it is very defendable,
18:45when they tell you it is very defendable,
18:47well, it is very defendable,
18:49we already know it,
18:51this is very defendable,
18:53and others told me,
18:55I'm not going to say who,
18:57and if we get some good pesos,
18:59very defendable, well,
19:01we already know what this situation is like,
19:03but we know it,
19:05because if they look for experts on the side,
19:07if they hire
19:09what they have to hire on the side,
19:11well, it will be difficult,
19:13it will be difficult, okay?
19:15Now, for me they are all responsible, yes, without a doubt.
19:17Ale, another thing,
19:19you are there,
19:21you are there,
19:23as always,
19:25in all the most important
19:27information,
19:29I say, the media are there,
19:31why aren't they there?
19:33They have nothing to hide.
19:35Why aren't they there?
19:37Why isn't the owner there?
19:39The owner of the hotel, the architect.
19:41No, no, because the owner,
19:43let's be aware of this,
19:45Gaby, the owner,
19:47at this moment,
19:49for the purchasing power,
19:51I don't want to be hard,
19:53but I want to make a parallelism
19:55with any of us,
19:57for the purchasing power
19:59that the owner of this has,
20:01he broke the light table
20:03of an apartment that he has to rent.
20:05I understand you, Ale,
20:07but it's an absolute tragedy.
20:09But the economic loss,
20:11it's fine, it's fine,
20:13but what are you going to do
20:15seeing how a piece of his capital
20:17was broken?
20:19No, I agree with you perfectly
20:21and I understand,
20:23but there are five or six people
20:25who were in the board
20:27that Lautaro just marked,
20:29I don't know if you remember the names.
20:31Yes, I do.
20:33But why aren't they in Villa Gesell?
20:35Why aren't they talking
20:37to the family of the victims?
20:39I mean, it seems to me that there is an adhesive.
20:41And they are going to fuck him.
20:43And if it is necessary.
20:45And why?
20:47That is discussed with lawyers, of course.
20:49This is my feeling.
20:51It's a human feeling
20:53that gives me
20:55this kind of situation.
20:57Why don't they show their faces
20:59if they supposedly have nothing to do with it?
21:01Guys, if it happens to any of us,
21:03we are crying here together with everyone.
21:05I know you do.
21:07These high-ranking businessmen
21:09think in another way.
21:11Now, evidently, evidently.
21:13This man will have to think more
21:15about how to defend himself
21:17from getting hurt from this,
21:19to think if there is a body under a rubble or not.
21:21Now, evidently, Ale,
21:23the prosecutor Veronica Zamboni
21:25is working very well.
21:27She has information
21:29that is not being disclosed.
21:31Because the arrest of Jorge Bonavita,
21:33this architect from Dolores,
21:35who was a volunteer firefighter
21:37at some point,
21:39who did not sign
21:41the documents or the projects
21:43that had to do
21:45with the constructions,
21:47the works that were being carried out
21:49in Dubrovnik.
21:51However, he is arrested.
21:53There is clearly a connection
21:55between this man
21:57and those who reported
21:59primarily the acts
22:01in each of the works
22:03that were being carried out
22:05in Dubrovnik.
22:07Bonavita is arrested
22:09and the architects
22:11who signed
22:13the construction projects are not.
22:17The only luck in all misfortune
22:19are the two people alive, Gaby.
22:21Without them,
22:23today...
22:25First of all,
22:27they are destroyed.
22:29Second,
22:31they said something fundamental.
22:33When we heard the noise,
22:35we thought the building had fallen,
22:37so we ran.
22:39The prosecutor said,
22:41why did you think
22:43that it could fall?
22:45The statement continues,
22:47when the architect
22:49told Bonavita,
22:51there was the problem.
22:53There is no doubt.
22:55If not for Dubrovnik,
22:57today it would be standing.
22:59Ale, there is a video
23:01that you sent us
23:03that we are going to watch and listen.
23:05I think it is important
23:07to listen to this video
23:09and now you will tell us
23:11everything that has to do
23:13with the content generated there.
23:15Let's watch it.
23:17We are firefighters!
23:19If there is someone there,
23:21shout or hit!
23:33We are rescuers!
23:35If there is someone there,
23:37shout or hit!
23:47Ale, we did here on the floor
23:49the same silence
23:51that you probably did there.
23:53You told us that
23:55you asked for no vibrations
23:57when the sonar is used.
23:59But in this case,
24:01this search was also done in this way,
24:03generating contact
24:05or trying to generate contact.
24:09Between the beams
24:11and how the rescuers are involved,
24:13who are one of the most trained
24:15and recognized in the world,
24:17they are among the beams,
24:19still in danger of another collapse,
24:21risking their lives,
24:23they got into the different holes
24:25and were looking for Sonia Stefanik.
24:27In this way,
24:29they were still looking for people with lives.
24:31In this way,
24:33after that, the probe entered,
24:35after the probe came the dog
24:37and after that, depending on the results,
24:39it was where it continued
24:41enlarging the tunnels.
24:43What you see there,
24:45at that time,
24:47large pieces of rubble were not removed,
24:49but they got into tunnels.
24:51Tunnels that,
24:53one has to say,
24:55if a person enters,
24:57so that people understand,
24:59so skinny like Lautaro, like Villamor,
25:01or like Prospero, like Goffer,
25:03people of a reduced size entered
25:05and they were choosing the firefighter
25:07for a physical reason,
25:09to be able to enter those small tunnels
25:11to see if they could
25:13grab the hand or see someone
25:15or get someone out.
25:17Well, in that way,
25:19as it is in this video that causes you goosebumps,
25:21that's how they were working
25:23inside the rubble.
25:25Not now. Now everything is being removed
25:27to see how far we can get.
25:29That was a tunnel job.
25:31Well, the situation has changed
25:33since 72 hours ago
25:35there are no life signs.
25:37Ale, those tunnels were generated,
25:39if it's not like that,
25:41they were generated from large rubble
25:43that had remained and that
25:45in a certain way formed a structure.
25:47The rubble that we are seeing now
25:49is already of another size
25:51and did not allow to generate that space
25:53so that these workers
25:55could get in.
25:57Now they are removing everything
25:59and there is a lot of rubble,
26:01some large, others smaller,
26:03and we saw parts,
26:05that's what most impacted us here on the floor,
26:07parts of showers, dryers,
26:09parts of inodorants,
26:11parts of all those rooms
26:13that were in those 10 pesos of Dubrovnik.
26:17Yes, at that time
26:19the finite rubble was removed
26:21that I showed you with buckets,
26:23very meticulously, it was pointed
26:25in the form of a triangle with woods
26:27and it reached between the slabs.
26:29Because to get between the slabs,
26:31which is the video we see,
26:33they had to remove a lot of finite rubble
26:35to be able to enter those slabs.
26:37Well, all that tunnel work
26:39was really shocking to see.
26:41I've never seen anything like it in my life.
26:43I've never had to see anything
26:45similar to that in my life
26:47and see for real
26:49how the firemen were
26:51between the slab
26:53and the floor, almost without a place,
26:55knowing that any movement
26:57of a fake could lose their lives.
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