00:00Dr. Graciela Bravo is a lawyer and legal representative of the brother of Maria Rosa,
00:06precisely the father of Nahuel, Nahuel who is still missing and who is Rosa's nephew.
00:10Dr. Bravo, how are you? Good morning.
00:12Hello, good morning. How are you?
00:15Well, good. Sad for what happened.
00:17Yes, and also, let's see, I am a lawyer for the team of Miguel Pierri.
00:23Okay.
00:23We are the ones who are currently representing the victims.
00:26Good. How are you going to carry this forward, doctor? Tell us.
00:30Well, look, in principle, we were already able to present the cause.
00:35Yesterday we had a view of the file, we began to analyze it.
00:40The truth is that we did not get to see it completely without the latest measures.
00:45This is regarding what the file is, right?
00:52And also, well, mainly to support, at this moment, all the relatives,
00:58so that they can ... that there is such great anguish in the place.
01:05Yesterday I was there until about 12 at night and the truth is that all the relatives are there.
01:10Imagine what it is to be in that place, right?
01:12No, no, sure.
01:14With the hope that they can appear.
01:16It's terrible, doctor, it's terrible.
01:18Of all the testimonies we are receiving, everything points to the municipality,
01:24to their responsibility and to the so-called club of friends, of architects,
01:27who were the ones who did the works, if not, the works were not done.
01:30What is your opinion about this?
01:32Well, look, I'm going to tell you some measures that were taken yesterday,
01:36which I think have not yet come to light.
01:38I told some media, but I think it has not come to light yet.
01:42The issue is this.
01:44Yesterday an investigation was carried out against an architect who is still not in the cause
01:51and that in the next few hours will be impeached.
01:54Where a documentary was recovered that commits the owner of the place.
02:00What Dr. Zamboni told me today, that we were talking for a long time,
02:09is that in the place there were two other teams of work and two architects
02:16who came to substantiate errors in a previous architect,
02:22who have not yet contributed to the cause.
02:29They are waiting for him to be formally impeached.
02:32It was cut a little bit, doctor.
02:33The whereabouts of this architect have not yet been found, you said?
02:37No, he has not yet been found and he has not yet been presented.
02:40But is it from there, from Mar del Plata, is it local?
02:42Of course.
02:46What we were talking about with the prosecutor was that we were waiting
02:50for the owner of the place to provide this data.
02:55The new owner, Antonio Cortés?
02:57Of course.
02:59Who is a transport businessman, who has also been to offices here in Liniers.
03:04Let's see, what I ask you, Martha Schneider, who we were talking about, is an architect.
03:09She says she will be responsible for the work from now on.
03:12Do you have Martha Schneider's name?
03:15Yes, let's see, there are two architects.
03:18The architect you just named, who is in charge of the front part,
03:23and another architect, who is in charge of the back part,
03:27who was not found in the pagoda either.
03:30Yesterday, two raids were carried out on the property of this architect named Paola.
03:36I can't remember her last name.
03:38From the city of Mar del Plata.
03:39I'm going up a little bit because the communication is a bit dirty.
03:46Doctor, can you point to a place where you can get out better?
03:49Because, let's see, what you are saying is important.
03:54Of course, if it is the information that we have, it is possible to give it to the architects.
03:58I also want to ask Dr. Bravo if you already have the information that they are architects
04:03imposed by the municipality of Gesell, right?
04:06No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
04:08These architects were hired by the owner of the property.
04:14That is, the owner, the owner of the building.
04:17The new owner.
04:18The new owner.
04:20Of course.
04:21You mean the one that the justice cannot give with its whereabouts.
04:25That one in particular, because Schneider is from the city of Gesell and he is ...
04:29But yesterday two raids were carried out on the property of this architect named Paola.
04:35It is true.
04:37Is she actually on the run, can we say?
04:39No, she said she was already on the run.
04:41No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
04:43And she is responsible for the work that ends up collapsing.
04:47Regarding the detainee yesterday, who is a kapataz,
04:51do you have information about what was done in the city of Pinamar,
04:55the detention by the DDI and the Federal Police?
04:57What is his fault?
05:00No, no, I have a detention order there.
05:06I mean, wait, I can look at it and I can tell you, but ...
05:10Okay, because there was a detention in the last hours,
05:14which would be in the line of responsibility the second,
05:18coming the architects, this kapataz, and then the four apprentices,
05:23who are Albañiles and also the head of the work.
05:26But there the most responsible, without a doubt,
05:28are the architects in the first instance of what is now.
05:32Then, when they advance in the matter of investigation,
05:34they will see who the officials are,
05:36and here they are giving me orders
05:38absolutely unfulfilled in the code of order and building in the city of Pinamar.
05:42And the owner of Predio too, huh?
05:44He is responsible, the owner of Predio too.
05:46No, yes, of course.
05:48The architects are responsible for all the work that took place in the work.
05:52Without a doubt.
05:54Of course, of course.
05:56Doctor, you said that ...
06:06Doctor, you said that these architects ...
06:08Sorry, sorry, I want to tell you something.
06:12Yesterday an investigation was ordered on all these points,
06:18so in the next few days we will surely know what happens.
06:23It is said that it cannot be done yet, I understand.
06:25No, because of the fear of the world.
06:27No, no, but yes about the documentary,
06:29about the documentary that was released.
06:31Doctor, this can ...
06:33The municipality also contributed to the entire historical documentary
06:37of all the works carried out in the place,
06:39of the permits that were granted.
06:41But do you think the municipality is responsible for this?
06:45Why do you think?
06:47Well, now it is too early to say,
06:49but not to say it,
06:51we have to see if there was some kind of discovery
06:53by the authorities,
06:55see if the municipality authorized it,
06:57supervised it,
06:59supervised the work and in what way, right?
07:01Well ...
07:03I understand that there were also requirements for the work,
07:07we have to see if the architects or the owner
07:11went down and said,
07:13no, continue the work as it is,
07:15even if they tell us that we cannot do it.
07:17The truth is that everything is still very open.
07:19Yes, yes, yes.
07:21I think that in the course of this week,
07:23with all the requests,
07:25we will be able to determine it.
07:27Well, we will communicate again.
07:29Thank you for this contact, Doctor.
07:31If you clarified,
07:33if you clarified that today the prosecutor told me
07:35that surely analyzing all the documentary
07:37that the cause was contributed to by the claims,
07:39surely a technical indictment
07:41will be made
07:43to the owner
07:45of the property.
07:47Of course, it is logical.
07:49Doctor, thank you very much.
07:51No, please, see you later.
07:53Goodbye, see you later.
07:55Well, we are like tying ends, right?
07:57With different testimonies.
07:59Yes, and the basic right, right?
08:01As the owner of the property is obviously responsible
08:03because it is the one who hired, the one who chooses.
08:05And the doctor, with great caution,
08:07told the municipality for now,
08:09but it seems to me that we are on our way.
08:11I think it has a criminal investigation in progress
08:13What we have to see is
08:15if the work is from Rosa,
08:17at least from an architectural study
08:19that Rosa had proposed at the time,
08:21or if the new owner,
08:23this transport businessman,
08:25is the one who takes the work
08:27and asks for the municipality's permissions
08:29and so on.
08:31There, what the doctor said is that yes,
08:33there would already be the architect responsible for the work,
08:35nothing would be missing.
08:37There is something called solidarity.
08:39The responsibility is solidarity
08:41between Rosa and the new owner.
08:43In the hypothetical case that you say,
08:45of course, obvious,
08:47but in the hypothetical case
08:49that we were the responsibility of Rosa,
08:51who is dead, with which she ended her life,
08:53it would extend to the new owner.
08:55Okay.
08:57The one who bought, well.
08:59No, but that's for sure.
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