00:00Look, I have to tell you, the same thing Ale Puebla just told me,
00:05about the suspicions that corruption may have been the cause of this tragedy,
00:10according to the information we received,
00:13regarding, for example, the fact that the director of private villages
00:16appears in one of the posters as the architect of the building.
00:21And he became the director of private villages
00:24from the sale of the hotel,
00:26that is, when the Spanish businessman buys it.
00:29You, I don't know if you had this data,
00:31do you think it is logical that there are three or four albaniles arrested
00:35and the rest, we don't know what the situation is?
00:41Well, the situation, I tell you, Pablo,
00:43I still don't have total access to the file.
00:46This trip was precisely to meet, let's say, in person,
00:51our clients and our representatives.
00:54And as you say, now we have an albanile,
00:57and we have certain accusations,
00:59but this is a chain of accusations,
01:01because we can't basically blame the albaniles,
01:08the destruction or, let's say, that the building itself has fallen.
01:13This is a higher responsibility,
01:15and it goes from architects, engineers,
01:17to the lack or not of approval by the municipality.
01:21This is the very meticulous study of the responsibility of each person,
01:27and even of the owners themselves, right?
01:29Of course, of course. Fito?
01:31Facundo, who are you going to represent specifically?
01:39Hello, dear, how are you? Good afternoon.
01:42We are going to represent, well,
01:45the sister of the lady who passed away, Estefanik.
01:49Ah, look, the family that owned the building.
01:54That is, they are going to be...
01:56That was the owner, exactly, yes.
01:58They are going to be like creditors in this case.
02:02Of course, well, the code here is particular damaged.
02:05Yes, particular damaged in the province.
02:07We are going to be like creditors, yes.
02:09Yes, but people get lost.
02:11Yes, practically, yes.
02:13We all get lost, that's true, yes, of course.
02:16Excuse me, Facundo, you are going to have privileged information
02:18regarding how the hotel was, for example, at the time of sale.
02:22I think it is important, because it is being said
02:24that the hotel was in good condition,
02:26they wanted to do a business, and everything went very badly.
02:31Exactly, here, let's see, as you say,
02:35here you have to see first the state before and post
02:40of the repairs and all kinds of conduct
02:44that was carried out on the building,
02:47which, well, has ended with this disastrous and sad fact,
02:51with the loss of life, right?
02:53Especially with the loss of more furniture nearby, right?
02:57And I'll ask you a question,
02:59are you going to be in contact with the prosecution tomorrow?
03:05Yes, we are going to talk to the doctor who is intervening,
03:08with whom, well, our correspondent on the coast,
03:12Dr. Bravo, has already had contact.
03:15What I can tell you is that, basically,
03:18the justice, what it is trying now,
03:20is to try to get all the victims out
03:22who are inside the ruins, yes?
03:25Once this is done, it will be easier to carry out
03:28the corresponding inquiries.
03:30Imagine what inquiry can get a good result
03:34with what you are seeing behind me, right?
03:36No, Facundo, but that is clear, of course.
03:39Now, why are the Albañiles arrested?
03:42Why?
03:45What is the accusation, since they spoke?
03:48They managed to escape from an earthquake that fell on them.
03:52Because, in reality, those people are the ones who escaped.
03:55We are not talking about the man who made the hole in the elevator.
03:57No, we are not talking about...
03:59I have...
04:02Well, I have information, sorry, I'm talking to you.
04:04Yes, yes, yes.
04:05I have information in which, apparently,
04:08they were aware of the lack of sufficient authorization
04:12to continue building, and despite that,
04:15they continued with the order, let's say, of the superior,
04:18that at this moment we will have to see
04:20who was acting as the superior of these people.
04:23They are going to make me angry.
04:25That is the foundation.
04:27Facu, they are going to make me angry.
04:29This is the foundation, in the end.
04:31Do you hear me? They are going to make me angry.
04:33They are going to make me go to Gesell
04:35and assist those poor Albañiles
04:39who go out to earn a living, to work,
04:42and the architect is not arrested.
04:45The owner is not arrested.
04:47The owner is not arrested.
04:48The director of private works is not arrested.
04:50I tell you, really.
04:52And I ask you, Fito.
04:53Do you want me to go and present?
04:56I totally agree with you.
04:57I totally agree with you.
04:58Because we are already talking about Perejiles,
05:00and we don't have time to talk about Perejiles.
05:02Of course.
05:03And what we need is to get to the truth.
05:05I understand that the moment is the one of the search
05:07for the missing people, but I ask Fito
05:09and I also share with Facundo Díaz-Sanzorena.
05:11Can it be a strategy of learning,
05:14stopping, during the time given to me,
05:16the processing times, a little to the Albañiles,
05:19to get information, and in reality the final goal
05:22is to have the film clear to go in search of the owner
05:25and the architects?
05:26No, Bobby.
05:27Can't you do it with them freely?
05:28No, Bobby.
05:29You can't stop anyone.
05:30This is a practice.
05:32Exactly.
05:33No, no.
05:34Go ahead.
05:35I know what you are going to say.
05:37Say it yourself.
05:38Say it yourself.
05:39Whatever you want.
05:41I say it?
05:42Yes.
05:43It is a usual practice today of each court
05:45and of each public prosecutor's office
05:47that detention has been made common
05:49and then investigation.
05:51One knows here that if the person has roots,
05:53there is no risk of escape.
05:54And he cannot obstruct the process,
05:56he has to be free, whatever the crime,
05:59because that person, you can tell me,
06:01yes, but he killed 200 people.
06:03And if he was innocent and I had him arrested
06:06for so long.
06:07It is seen that you don't care.
06:08I am a very objective person.
06:10But here what is objected is the responsibility, doctor,
06:12and I think that in this I agree with Fito,
06:14and I give Fito a pass,
06:15who will have more legal foundation
06:17than I can have from the common sense.
06:19He is not a plumber who changes ceramics,
06:21he is not a carpenter,
06:22he is not an albanil who makes decisions.
06:25He is an architect.
06:26So it is rare that they are detained
06:29and they are not going to look for those
06:31who put the hook in this situation,
06:33unless they were not clear,
06:34or unless they are people who are on both sides of the show.
06:38Look, if it is an extortion method
06:40of the prosecutor's office intervening,
06:42it is wrong.
06:43Because if you are put in jail one day,
06:45or the prosecutor, or the prosecutor,
06:47they put you in jail one day,
06:48nobody wants to be in jail one day
06:50if he is innocent.
06:52If it is a method of investigation that exists,
06:55I don't say here because I don't know yet,
06:57if I didn't say it,
06:58if the method is extortion,
07:00it is wrong to the point that it deserves a dismissal.
07:04If they are really investigating,
07:08let those poor fried potatoes go to their house,
07:12put them in a home prison.
07:15If he was a worker,
07:16he was not a guy who was stealing,
07:18he was a guy who came to work
07:20and who almost pays more with his life.
07:22Do you think that person can know
07:25that he is taking a risk or something
07:27to put his own life at risk?
07:31And tomorrow I'm not going to...
07:33Wait a second.
07:34Yes, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead.
07:36Tell us and now we continue.
07:37Well, I interrupt you there
07:38because what was taken into account
07:40and why the detention continues
07:43is because all the witnesses said
07:45that they did not know absolutely anything that was happening,
07:47they were surprised, the same Sonia.
07:49On the other hand, one of these fried potatoes
07:51what he continued to do was to know that he was going to fall.
07:54For some reason, his instinct was that the building was falling.
07:57He was afraid that the building would fall.
08:00That he was already living.
08:01And that's why, what they want to know is why.
08:03Since when, of course.
08:05Ale, Ale, Ale.
08:08Yes, but wait, Ale.
08:10You can't use the statement,
08:12you can't use the statement
08:14because if he kept quiet, he's free
08:16and because he told his feelings, he's going to be in jail.
08:19Well, first it is forbidden to use for detention.
08:23No, I'm telling you, I'm answering the prosecutor.
08:26Yes, yes, go ahead.
08:28I'm telling the one who made that decision.
08:30Fito, dear, excuse me.
08:34Likewise, you know, dear Fito,
08:37how this issue is,
08:39that in the face of a detention, I don't need so many elements
08:42to maintain the private measure, right?
08:45We have to see how it is defined
08:47and if it turns this detention
08:49into a preventive prison for the accused.
08:51Facu, I appreciate you,
08:53but you stay in jail.
08:57But you, as the role of the victim,
08:59you have to look for the architect,
09:02the civil servant, you go up there.
09:05Stay.
09:06I already know.
09:08It's like in the case of Maradona,
09:10we're going to touch on it later.
09:12Catch us with the nurse when there are doctors.
09:14It's exactly the same.
09:16Besides, in this scene, unfortunately,
09:18Facundo, Ale and Fito,
09:20let's see, there are workers who were saved
09:23because they noticed, in fact,
09:25they got under the bed,
09:26they got to, in some case,
09:28they saw that the problem was still going on
09:30and they came out shooting.
09:31But there are workers who are dead.
09:33Workers who are buried.
09:35The same situation.
09:36If they were free,
09:38those who are dead today,
09:40if they were alive, they would be in jail.
09:42Those who are dead.
09:44That's what I want to tell you.
09:45That's the illogical thing I think.
09:47But well, nothing,
09:48it's a discussion that I think
09:50the prosecutor's office will have to explain
09:52how it's going to be handled.
09:53And what's going to happen to the businessman,
09:55who is the owner,
09:56what's going to happen to the employees,
09:58and what's going to happen to the architects
10:00who were employees.
10:03Well, if the employees are there,
10:05the workers will have to be in jail.
10:07From my point of view,
10:09yes, if you allow me, look,
10:11I think this is a moment
10:13not to remember the causes of this same year
10:16and the events that have happened.
10:18The first moments are fundamental
10:20to be able to maintain an indictment.
10:23Because if not, then there are still people
10:25detained without being able to form
10:27or concretize a solid argument
10:29and say, you committed such a crime
10:31and you are reproached for such conduct.
10:33Period.
10:34Now is the right time.
10:36We are an assistant
10:38of the Prosecutor's Office.
10:40Yes, in the role we occupy,
10:42and we are going to help in the way we can
10:44if we are allowed, if the code allows us.
10:46But the investigation has to be precise,
10:50concrete and adequate from the first moment.
10:53That is what will allow us to say,
10:55here is the criminal responsibility of such a person.
10:58We will release him,
11:00we know that he has to go.
11:04Stay a little longer,
11:06because I want to consult you.
11:08They will let him in, Pablo.
11:10I wanted to ask you...
11:13Yes.
11:14Meanwhile, are you with Diego Traferi?
11:18Yes, we are with Diego.
11:20Greetings to Diego, who is doing a great job.
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