00:00Ari had gotten a deck of queer tarot cards and she was basically doing a three-card pull
00:08She was giving us tarot readings. She was like very in her element. I was like you should you should do this
00:14Oh my god, are these flip sequins? Yeah, baby. Oh my god. This is what I wore. I love to flip.
00:21Well, that's what they found out in P-Town
00:24Girl, are you excited? We're gonna get you in the gig. We're gonna get and we're not gonna get me in the gig
00:30We're gonna get me in the Jantasy. This is like
00:32What feels like a full-fledged sort of entry into drag. I've done it before and like a dilettante way
00:38But this is the real deal. I'm really excited. You're gonna be gorgeous. By the way, do you know that?
00:43I know that for a fact
00:44I hope I get to the Jantasy level where I can host an audience Q&A after I
00:51Perform the house down boots much like Jan does at her shows. It's a lot of cardio folks. All right
00:56Well, let's get Volney and do it. My vision today is to transform Bowen into the full Jantasy
01:03So if you couldn't tell we're giving purple and Bowen's gonna have some purple the brows already snatched up
01:10We're gonna just carve it out a little. Thank you Carol
01:15So we're just gonna really go for it right now with some yankery some crease
01:20Some glitter and the signature Jan highlight. Yes
01:24Let's go. Oh, do you want to put this on like her go for it? Yeah, great. You're learning
01:29We're learning you on the job. So following what was your first experience with DRAG drag?
01:34I missed the boat on like to Wong Fu as a kid. I missed so many boats
01:39I think it was ruined the Brady Bunch like it was like going to school
01:45Being like, oh my god. I just rented this movie from the library. I know that it's so funny
01:49They were like, oh my god, did you know that Jan's?
01:52guidance counselor is RuPaul and that's a man dressed as a woman and it was
01:57Totally earth-shattering to me in the best way where I was like, she was my favorite part of the movie
02:01She gags me down. Yeah, and then Brady Bunch 2. No Rue is so kookarot. She's a really funny doll
02:09I was really trying to throw her some of the Jan Brady. Yeah all-star
02:12So I was like, maybe I just have to get to know her a little bit more
02:16Really work for me, you know, like I remember meeting Lorne Michaels for the first time
02:19The first thing out of my mouth was I grew up in Canada, too. You know, it was just so
02:23Sweaty and desperate and so I think that's a lesson. I'm not saying you were like
02:28pandering to you know, I screamed at her. I love the Brady Bunch!
02:33I grew up in the Catholic school system
02:36Love that and I know you had a very conservative upbringing as well. Yes. What was your first impression of drag like seeing Rue?
02:44Giving miss mama. Miss mama. Miss guidance counselor down. Yeah, seeing Rue was really
02:51Incredible and then I like found out about who she was
02:53I even like had a couple moments where I would like go to my mom's closet and try on stuff and it just like
02:59Internally, it felt good and it felt thrilling it kind of felt
03:03Equilibrating. Yeah, I do get that. I remember when I
03:07Found out what drag was and it was like it was RuPaul too. Yeah, and I was like bitch. I'm going to my mom's closet
03:12I'm getting these shoes and they kind of lived for it. Yeah, I was like
03:16Diva, I don't know about this. You like it felt it felt a little naughty. It felt a little forbidden. It did but like
03:25Is there anything that you're intimidated about while I'm beating your face with an egg, yeah
03:30I was just around friends and they were like
03:34shooting out all their
03:35theoretical drag names and they're like oh and what's yours and I was like
03:38I literally don't have one because I have too much reverence for the form to ever like
03:46Hypothetically insert myself in it and be like this is what my name would be
03:49This is like I get that I don't even mean like I like I've loved it for so long from afar
03:54And I think that's the perfectly calibrated distance
03:56So what scares me what intimidates me is just like making that a reality being a real mom
04:01Are we gonna come up with it with a name?
04:02We're gonna have to come up with a name for sure. So today but what better day to do it?
04:07Whatever we pick today, it's gonna be sickening. That's gonna be and honestly like my first drag name was Kiki Tzatziki. I'm not Greek. I
04:14Just love Tzatziki. Wicked. Yes wicked
04:18What are you excited?
04:20Obviously, I'm so excited to
04:23Follow up. Do you think that it's like extremely queer coded not at all?
04:28No, just kidding. Of course it is if that ain't queer mama
04:30I don't know what is isn't that the reason why it is such a
04:36Musical
04:37Institution, why do all the gays love it because I play the villain in this
04:43I don't like being a bully. So I know my girl's gonna be acting down
04:49I'm like the biggest
04:51Baguette in Oz and yet I'm the one who's bullying this beautiful gorgeous woman played by Cynthia Erivo
04:57And so they're literally like no the gays rule here. The gays are the oppressors. Yeah. Yeah. Okay, so
05:03Which I mean, hey like and that's really wonderful
05:08like I
05:09Love that we can live in a world where queers can be the bullies and obviously love Miss Grande
05:15Yeah, what was it like working with them with Ari and Cynthia? They were
05:20two
05:22Binary stars. It was like, you know how like there are some star systems
05:27You know how there are star systems
05:29There were no egos on set because it's like no one's bigger than Oz. No one's bigger than this story
05:35You know, it's fine. No one's bigger than no one's bigger than
05:39Period and so everyone was just having a good old gay time
05:42Exactly, but meanwhile, I like Cynthia and Ari we're both going through like they're very specific journeys with these characters
05:49What's your first memory of wicked hearing about a drama club in high school say that?
05:53Yeah, and then going to the library
05:56My parents didn't let me buy CDs growing up
05:58Okay
05:58And so I went to the library and took out the original Broadway cast recording
06:02Whoa, I was flipping through the booklet and it was like a Dina
06:06it was
06:07Christian and it was Kristen doing popular. I was like this looks like the most incredible thing
06:13Hey ever this summer after that year in high school. It was my first time setting foot in New York
06:18All I wanted to do was go see wicked see the girls see the girls
06:21We couldn't afford the tickets
06:23But then I begged my parents to go to the Gershwin Theater so I could press my face up against the glass
06:29Just so I could like touch it. That's how like obsessed I was with it
06:33and then that same day we went to 30 rock and
06:36did the NBC studio tour and sat in the seats at SNL and I remember sitting in the seats at SNL being like
06:41This isn't as cool as
06:47What are
06:50Similarities and differences between Bowen and Fanny
06:53What like drew you to the role? Fanny is the British word for pussy
06:56And so all of these PAs on set would be like, okay
06:59can we call Fanny to set and they would just hold back their laughter because imagine a
07:04Huge musical shooting in America and some gay guy was playing a character named pussy. All right, let's bring pussy to the stage
07:10Let's bring pussy to the stage
07:12Tonight we are
07:15Fanny is okay. So Fanny was
07:17Always was usually played by a woman. He is gender-flipped in the movie
07:22He's one of Galinda's friends from childhood who then Oh
07:26Diva down and so then and then and then diva up
07:29These are not like the lackeys or the sidekicks or like the best friends
07:34These are like the publicists like they see Galinda and they're like she's our project
07:39We can turn her into something and like Fanny and Shenton are the kind of the ones who like
07:44Implant all of these bad ideas into Galinda's head like let's bully Elphaba. Let's give her the hat. Galinda thinks she's like
07:51Using them, but it's really like Fanny and Shenton kind of having Galinda at their disposal to like do their dirty work
07:57We've had people in our lives kind of like push us to those places
08:00Say that especially at school. Yes
08:05Well, I was like class president and yeah in grade school
08:10Yeah, so that was like a little my tea, but then I went to all-boys Catholic school, right? I've seen the pictures
08:15I've seen the pictures from school diva. That's something that like you feel like was like
08:19Thrust upon you to quote the show
08:23Yes, I do what was your favorite moment on set Ari had gotten a deck of queer tarot cards and
08:32She was basically doing a three-card poll. She was giving us tarot readings
08:37She was like very in her element. I was like you should you should do this
08:41You're gonna like pivot pivot
08:43Like if you if you hate singing like if you all of a sudden are so bad at it
08:47Can you imagine imagine imagine Ariana Grande being bad at singing imagine a world like that?
08:55Imagine a world like that
08:57Underrated Ariana Grande song. Oh, yeah your career. Uh-huh. Mama. What was my career bottom?
09:04My career is a bottom for years apart. I am a career bottom
09:07What has been like a challenging moment for you, but then also what?
09:12Like what is your highlight?
09:13SNL is like the most rewarding thing that I've ever done and it probably will be and yet it is also
09:19The most challenging thing because totally just by just because of the nature of it
09:26Like start with the persona like and then maybe we can lead oh, that's in the name
09:31So like who do you want to be? I think she's a barker. I think you think she's a P-Town barker
09:36I think she's oh, I think she's a pieces barker. I think she's standing outside pieces being like we've got busted
09:41It's Wednesday bust. It's here. Like come on in, you know
09:44I've got a booming voice and I think I can I think I can get the people in so you're loud
09:49I'm trying to do a splits routine a stretch splits routine and I've done it for about a year and a half no progress
09:56What am I doing wrong? So you're a barker?
10:00Three names at Mochila Mochila Spanish for backpack Mochila
10:07East pack East pack or or
10:11after which is
10:14One of those genius things anyone's ever said. Thank you. Yeah Wow bag after a sport
10:20Back after
10:28We keep saying diva down I keep saying that you are telling me to say up I'm learning something
10:34Yeah, teacher teach myself teacher teach myself, baby
10:37We have this coat rack here with so many different options and fashions as an actor does move about the space
10:43He would really see what feels good to you. I mean look this is gorgeous
10:48This is giving mob wife pretty this is Sparkle and shimmer. Oh, this is
10:55This is giving fun
10:583435
11:00We've got a little marijuana leaves on this girl
11:05Golden girls if they were high like a like pussy hot pants. What do you call it?
11:09But I don't think I've ever seen anything quite like that actually
11:12Now
11:15Who made this now who made this I want to have a word with them. Yeah, Vivian West Vivian Westwood
11:21You this is really funny. Actually, this matches completely what I'm wearing crazy. That works on you
11:28I can tell giving Ivan ooze from Power Rangers movie
11:32It's giving you know what? I mean, you're gonna love that one. I
11:38Think that this looks really good on you. Okay, I'm gonna tell them that you have seven pieces in the back
11:42And they'll hang that thing up and then just let us know when you're ready and done and if we can take anything from you
11:47I'll be absconding with all of these have fun doll. Bye
11:55I've never felt like this
12:02This is crazy
12:04I
12:12Feel like I'm at the damn opera look at this mama. This is Matt down. This is no
12:18Yeah, what am I saying the opera? I met the Met down the Met down the Metropolitan Opera the Metropolitan Gala
12:25the Metropolitan
12:26Transit Authority a little like you have it you have it and you're meant to be my child. I'm your actual child. Yeah
12:35I
12:37There is something transcendent about like
12:40being in this
12:43In all of this gender is a fucking construct look and this is a beautiful building
12:49And you're like like even just looking at you you're like feeling it
12:54It literally is building from the ground up and I was beneath the dirt and look at this
13:01She has risen. She's defying gravity. She's
13:04Would you do it again? I want to say of course, but also like I don't think it'll ever beat this
13:12Thanks for dragging me Jan
13:14mochi dash la
13:16You've literally always come to our shows like for years and years and years
13:21I've no area and like I'm so happy that you're like you understand like what it is now like yeah
13:26Just embodying it. You're the perfect candidate for this the Jan to see is
13:31one of the most incredible things I've ever
13:35Period no, I'm not you. Oh my god. I love you Jan. This is perfect
13:44We got to get Ricky Martin up in this game, yeah get hit get his duck with her
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