00:00Madam Chair, I just would like to go back to my opening statement for General Raul Villanueva.
00:10According to PNP CIDG chief, Police Major General Leo Francisco,
00:26General Raul Villanueva, you admitted that what you said in the Senate hearing last week is purely rumors. Is it correct?
00:34General Villanueva
00:36Good afternoon Madam Chair.
00:38As I have stated last Senate hearing Madam Chair, I consider it as rumor.
00:48Why do I dismiss it as rumors? Because I don't have any confirmation at all. I don't have any verified data.
00:57Because as of now, PAGOR is very much concentrated on running after or helping our law enforcement agencies,
01:04and running after the big pogos in the provinces.
01:13Madam Chair, did you hear the statement I read earlier coming from the Council of Chiefs?
01:44Therefore, it is not yet valid.
01:49General Raul Villanueva
01:50Correct. I agree with you. But then I think you should agree with me also,
01:54that information as sensitive as what you have offered to this committee should be taken seriously.
02:08By the source of the information, you should have gained a lesson learned from the previous hearing,
02:19that whenever we have information that is unvalidated, we should not just share it with the public.
02:30Because it will ruin the reputation of other people who may be aware of the information you have released.
02:41Am I correct?
02:43Correct, Your Honor. That's why we defer it to the CIDG.
02:47Actually, yesterday I was talking with the CIDG.
02:51Because these are raw information only. I don't have any confirmation yet.
02:57Especially now that I hold in respect our chief PNP.
03:01Because they are like AFP. I am from AFP.
03:04Our chief PNP is like our chief of staff. I know a lot of them.
03:12And I know they have their own legacies in running the PNP.
03:19A lot of chief PNPs are thinking about their legacy programs to improve the PNP institution.
03:29That's why I don't fully understand this, Your Honor.
03:35Because I don't have a basis, I don't have verified information regarding this.
03:47That's why I qualified it earlier in the last Senate hearing.
03:51This is raw information. I don't want to put malice on our chief PNPs.
03:58I'm sorry if that's how our chief PNPs interpret it.
04:03But I hold them in respect because each of these chief PNPs has their own legacy in the PNP institution.
04:13So at least when you say you're sorry, does that mean to this committee that you're already issuing a public apology?
04:24Yes, Your Honor, to say it very bluntly.
04:32I'm just, I mean, I know in the last session I already qualified this as raw information.
04:44And therefore it has no bearing at all yet.
04:48Because I don't have any verified information or confirmation from other sources.
04:54That's why I have to ask a lot of people, but I came up with nothing.
05:00That's why retired chief PNPs react.
05:05Because knowing you, you came from the Intelligence Service of the Armed Forces of the Philippines.
05:11And you know how we treat classified information.
05:15Even though this information is not yet classified, as you said, that this is still unverified.
05:21We know that it has to go through a process.
05:25And the end of that process is the evaluation.
05:29And you have to evaluate that information, whether the source is reliable and the information itself is credible.
05:37That's why we have A1, A2, B3, C, right?
05:43A to F, that is how we classify, how we evaluate the reliability of the source of the information.
05:52And the number 1 to 6, that is to evaluate the credibility of the information itself,
06:01whether it is true, probably true, or possibly true.
06:08So that still has to go through a process.
06:10So even if you say that this is A1 information,
06:17meaning the highest evaluation that we can give to an intelligence information,
06:23still, it will not hold water in court because it has no evidentiary value
06:29until your informant converts that information into writing and converts it into a sworn statement.
06:38Even if it becomes a sworn statement, it will still be questionable.
06:42If it is not, it has no personal knowledge.
06:44If the information is still a hair saver, that he is the one who made it, right?
06:48So that incident should serve a lesson to everyone.
06:52Let us be careful to release such information
06:57because many will be hit that should not be hit in unverified reports.
07:03So thank you for that.
07:04At least you are an officer and a gentleman enough to accept that,
07:10to admit that somehow you made a mistake in giving out that information.
07:16And on behalf of the Council of the retired Chief PNP,
07:22I would like to thank you for your demeanor.
07:26Indeed, you are an officer and a gentleman.
07:28Thank you, General Villanueva.
07:33Thank you, General Villanueva.
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