00:00This time I don't think he will be able to come anywhere in the double figure, because the ground reality has completely changed today.
00:07Look, I don't know about the Lok Sabha, but his poll is going to open in the Vidhan Sabha. How is that?
00:14If these people win in the Vidhan Sabha, then there will be a stamp on the abrogation of Article 370 that the public also appreciated it.
00:23And if these elections lose, then this message will definitely go that the people did not like that step.
00:32It was a political slogan of theirs. It was not a slogan of the people. People did not want it. Such a message will come.
00:53I don't know how security apparatus will also be taken into consideration.
00:57J&K obviously is a different ballgame altogether when it comes to holding elections.
01:03There is one critical aspect that comes into picture all the time when we talk about J&K is the total number of seats being 90.
01:10But there are 14 other seats also which are always taken into consideration for the POK region.
01:18And to discuss that further, we are joined by Rajiv Chunni, Chairman, SOS Internet.
01:23It's an organization for POK displaced persons.
01:29Rajiv Chunni ji, thank you so much for speaking to One India.
01:32Yes, thank you.
01:34Yes, thank you very much, sir.
01:36First of all, regarding the announcement that has been made today, what kind of expectations do you have?
01:45Secondly, the attitude of the government has always been that we will also bring POK into the election.
01:52How do you see it? Did you have any expectations for it in this assembly election?
01:58Look, it was a golden opportunity. I think we lost it.
02:05When we brought the reorganization on 5th August, 2019,
02:11the situation was that all the seats for POK were completely frozen, including the seats in Ladakh.
02:26And many committees and commissions have said, whether they are parliamentary committees or interlocutors,
02:32or commissions made by the state,
02:35everyone said that if you consider POK as your body,
02:39and the 12 lakh people who have come from there, who live in J&K,
02:44empower them politically.
02:47And to do that empowerment, you don't have to do any big exercise.
02:54All the seats here are vacant for that area, which we have frozen.
03:01So why don't we open one third of the seats for these people,
03:05so that these people can represent themselves on 8 seats,
03:08because the territorial constituencies are in the illegal grip of Pakistan today.
03:12So it will be that a message will go to the whole country and the world,
03:16that we don't just talk that POK is our body, we are also taking action on it.
03:22But we have lost that time.
03:25We reorganized it twice.
03:28But we even said that we will not touch those seats.
03:34Why not?
03:35They are for us.
03:36We are established there.
03:38Hindus, Sikhs, Muslims have also come from there.
03:41So when the seats are for us, why not touch them?
03:44They are not for trees and plants.
03:47They are not for rivers and lakes.
03:49They are for my people.
03:51So we left that.
03:52Now when the elections are taking place,
03:54then one thing also came up,
03:56that you do one thing,
03:58give them the provision of nomination,
04:00that above 90, we will nominate the 8 seats in which these people came.
04:06What they did in that too,
04:08that they nominated only one seat,
04:11and did not take the name of the rest of the things,
04:14and said that the 24 seats will remain vacant.
04:17Okay, this is the government's way of working.
04:20But I will definitely say that it was a very good opportunity.
04:25We thought that the old government could not do justice.
04:29So maybe these people will do justice,
04:31and will bring us to the mainstream.
04:34We will also be politically empowered,
04:36and will be able to say our thing.
04:38But we were again deprived,
04:40and again I feel that we are feeling cheated ourselves.
04:46Mr. Chunni, I have an article here.
04:50This is an article from The Hindu,
04:526th December, 2023.
04:55And the headline says,
04:58114 seats, migrant quota cleared for J&K assembly.
05:03Lok Sabha passes bill, Amit Shah says,
05:05reservation of seats for those displaced in 1990s,
05:08will ensure that the voice of the community is heard loud and clear.
05:11And you are right.
05:12I will correct myself.
05:14I said only 14 seats.
05:15There are 24 seats,
05:16which were to be added,
05:18out of which 1 third,
05:19meaning 8 seats,
05:21you had also demanded.
05:23So, 2023, 6th December,
05:26this is not a very old thing.
05:27This is about 8-9 months ago.
05:30And the government is now making a delimitation,
05:33and it is not mentioned.
05:34You are feeling cheated, as you said.
05:37What do you think,
05:38even for the BJP,
05:39after article 370,
05:41the path is not that easy,
05:43because we saw in Lok Sabha,
05:45they did not remove any party member from Kashmir,
05:49in Srinagar,
05:51to fight the elections.
05:53So, what do you think,
05:54the BJP,
05:55which was saying,
05:57or a few days ago,
05:59that we will take POK,
06:01Pakistan will be allowed in India.
06:03What is the ground reality, sir?
06:05Look, I don't know about Lok Sabha,
06:09but their poll is going to open in Vidhan Sabha.
06:12How?
06:13If these people win in Vidhan Sabha,
06:16then there will be a stamp on the abrogation of article 370,
06:20that the people have also praised it.
06:23And if they lose the elections,
06:25then this message will definitely go,
06:28that the people have not liked that step.
06:31That was their political slogan.
06:34It was not the slogan of the people.
06:36People did not want this.
06:38Such a message will come.
06:39But let me tell you the ground reality.
06:41What is in today's date?
06:43In this Vidhan Sabha,
06:46in the old Vidhan Sabha,
06:50there were 25 people.
06:52This time I don't think
06:54they will be able to come anywhere in double figure.
06:56Because the ground reality has changed today.
06:59You asked a very good question,
07:01that after doing so much,
07:03ST status was distributed here.
07:05Some Pahadi Muslims were also covered in it,
07:09that we win 3 seats instead of 2 seats in the parliament.
07:13But you know that in the last parliament,
07:15they had 3 seats from Jammu and Kashmir,
07:17including Ladakh.
07:18This time only 2 seats came.
07:20And the margin of winning was reduced a lot.
07:24Because last time you won with 4.5-5 lakh votes.
07:27This time you have won with only 1 lakh votes.
07:30This means that somewhere,
07:32the voters are angry with you,
07:35and have separated from you.
07:37In the upcoming Vidhan Sabha,
07:39the situation will be worse than that.
07:41Because people of my community,
07:43who were Hindus,
07:45because of their religion,
07:47because of their caste,
07:49we were removed from there.
07:51If we were of a particular caste,
07:54we would have stayed there.
07:56We were removed because of the design there,
07:59that Hindus and Sikhs have to be removed from here.
08:01So we came.
08:03After that,
08:05we should have been appreciated.
08:07Because India considers it as its own.
08:09We have not achieved the status of refugees yet.
08:12They say you are displaced.
08:14You are displaced.
08:16We say we are not displaced,
08:18rather we are misplaced somewhere.
08:20We are lost somewhere.
08:22We have nothing to do.
08:24This is not my thing.
08:26Let me tell you,
08:28today the youth,
08:30the unemployed,
08:32every person is displaced.
08:34This is the first time in history
08:36that the militants
08:38have turned away from Kashmir
08:40and gone towards Jammu.
08:42Even in the peak militancy,
08:44they never dared to come to Jammu.
08:46Because Jammu never got support
08:48from the local people
08:50who used to help them.
08:52Today, somewhere or the other,
08:54those people are also helping them.
08:56That is why they have been able
08:58to settle down here.
09:00So in a way,
09:02this is a failure of the government.
09:04It is a complete failure.
09:06And as a result,
09:08they had to face
09:10the consequences of this election
09:12on 4th October.
09:14Mr. Chaudhary,
09:16do you intend to fight any election?
09:18Look,
09:20these parties should have known
09:22that these people are in such a large number.
09:24And the biggest thing is
09:26that we have given them
09:28three golden decades of life.
09:30I am not talking about myself.
09:32I am talking about the community.
09:34So if you could not give them
09:368 seats,
09:38you would have brought
09:402-5 of our people here.
09:42Because a general perception
09:44among people is that
09:46our voters are not so mature
09:48as they are in other countries
09:50that they can decide
09:52how strong our vote is.
09:54So somewhere or the other,
09:56they are frauds,
09:58but today you will be surprised
10:00that there is a double-engine government
10:02in Jammu and Kashmir.
10:04They are the people of the
10:06LGBT party and
10:08they have a government in the centre.
10:10But here a manifesto is being made
10:12on my issues,
10:14on the issues of the unemployed,
10:16on other issues.
10:18Tell me, if we have a government,
10:20what should we do?
10:22The government is yours.
10:24You are in the centre.
10:26Today you are giving a slogan.
10:28So I think other parties
10:30will do the same.
10:32So in general,
10:34we do not have any hope
10:36because we are not political people.
10:38But we will definitely say
10:40that there is a chance
10:42in front of my people.
10:44I would like to say through your channel
10:46that people should use their votes.
10:48We have got a lot of power
10:50through votes.
10:52We will be able to change
10:54the situation when we
10:56make the right decisions.
10:58Mr. Chunni,
11:00I wish you and your colleagues
11:02good wishes.
11:04And we also hope that
11:06the elections are conducted
11:08in the valley and in Jammu
11:10peacefully. Thank you so much for speaking to us.
11:12Thank you very much. Thank you for your time.
11:14Thank you very much.
11:16So we were talking to Rajiv Chunni,
11:18Chairman of SOS International.
11:20It's an organisation for
11:22relocating displaced people there.
11:24Thank you so much for watching this broadcast.
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