"CJP Qazi Faez Isa Par Reference Humari Govt Mein Dain Howa Is liye...", Rauf Hassan

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00:00Tomorrow, the decision will be taken by the biggest court in Pakistan, and the Chief Justice of Pakistan is also a part of that bench.

00:05But today, once again, Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf has considered it appropriate to repeat that claim,

00:10that the Chief Justice of Pakistan, Qazi Faiz-e-Ishaa, should be separated from all of us.

00:16The Secretary of Information, Mr. Rauf Hassan, who is also our guest today,

00:21has today, in these words, repeated his claim.

00:26They should not be a part of any of the benches.

00:28Begum Issa had written a letter to Mr. Khan, in which she had said that Mr. Khan should stop capitalizing on the state of Madinah.

00:36So, due to these reasons, Mr. Khan was forced to address Qazi Faiz-e-Ishaa in writing.

00:41The courts of Pakistan are being used.

00:43Qazi Faiz-e-Ishaa and Amir Farooq are two of his major instruments.

00:47So, Mr. Rauf Khan is with us, Mr. Rauf Hassan, the Secretary General of Pakistan, Mr. Tariq-e-Insaf.

00:52Huzoor, Assalam-o-Alaikum.

00:53Wa-Alaikum-o-Alaikum, Mr. Wasim, how are you?

00:56Alhamdulillah, thank you very much for your time. I hope your health is good.

01:00Always a pleasure, sir. Thank you very much.

01:02Thank you, sir. Pleasure is all mine, sir. Thank you so much.

01:04Sir, tell me, the decision to come tomorrow,

01:07you have taken this position for some time, which you have repeated,

01:10but the decision to come tomorrow, and today you are repeating it,

01:13so my immediate question is, what do you have to say about the health of the decision to come tomorrow?

01:18I mean, if the decision to come tomorrow comes into effect,

01:22will you accept it or not?

01:23Or will you say, we have already said that Mr. Qazi Faiz-e-Ishaa should step down?

01:27Before any other question, tell me, what do you have to say about the health of the decision to come tomorrow?

01:32Thank you, Mr. Wasim.

01:34Look, the decision to come tomorrow, the hearing is now over.

01:38And whatever decision comes in that,

01:40we will have to accept it as the decision of the court.

01:44Obviously, if we have any other legal recourse after that,

01:49legal options will be available,

01:51then we will exercise all of them.

01:53But this thing, if you allow me, I will talk about it,

01:57that for a long time, there has been a very growing feeling in the party.

02:02Okay, sir, talk about this.

02:03First, I will ask a simple question about the decision to come tomorrow.

02:05Do you expect justice, or do you have your doubts about tomorrow's decision?

02:11Our court, as such, you know, we have no doubts about its composition.

02:18We only talk about the personality of Chief Justice.

02:21And we have repeatedly requested him.

02:24And now, in writing, we have come to him,

02:26that he should free himself from the cases of Mr. Khan.

02:31And in this regard, I have also told in a very detailed press conference today,

02:35that I have also told Justice Gulzar's case number about four years ago.

02:39He had a five-member bench of the Supreme Court,

02:42in which he had decided that Qazi Faiz Issa Sahib,

02:46who was the judge of the Supreme Court at that time,

02:49would not be a member of the bench in any cases related to Mr. Khan.

02:55Okay, this decision is still present.

02:58No reference has been filed about it,

03:01or no appeal has been made on it.

03:04Consequently, the Supreme Court's decision is still present today.

03:07And I think it is incumbent upon all the judges

03:10to respect it and comply with it.

03:14And the Chief Justice, in the process,

03:18should free himself from Imran Khan's cases.

03:22Okay, so, sir, I want you to tell us about Mr. Faiz Issa Sahib.

03:26And while adding to this,

03:28you were mentioned in the biggest court in Pakistan.

03:32I don't know if I should call it a mention, but you were mentioned.

03:35Let me go to the cinema first, and then I will talk to you about it.

03:38Please show us what words you have mentioned.

03:40In his first answer, Mr. Mahbubullah said,

03:42other people are doing it, but you are not doing anything against them.

03:45What are you doing?

03:46I think it was Mr. Rauf Hassan who did it.

03:48Who is Rauf Hassan?

03:49I believe he belongs to PTI.

03:52Who were you talking about?

03:53One was about you, and the other was about the Chief Justice of Islamabad High Court.

03:56Is he the brother of Fouad Hassan?

03:58I believe yes.

03:59Okay, he said these words when we gave a lot of relief to Mr. Fouad Hassan.

04:04Did he feel bad that his brother was given relief?

04:07It is possible that he felt bad that his brother was given relief.

04:11We were taught the same thing in our childhood.

04:13We used to complain.

04:14There was no need for such abuse in our time.

04:16I used such bad words.

04:18I used to tell my parents,

04:19he said, go and tell him.

04:21Whatever he says, happens.

04:23Sir, we talked about your respected brother.

04:26Since this is a personal matter,

04:27only if you want to comment, you can comment.

04:29I don't ask questions.

04:31My question is,

04:32it is said from the front that when you criticize in these words,

04:36one is that the judge is being threatened,

04:40there is no justification for that.

04:42There is no comparison to that.

04:43That is a different matter.

04:44But when it comes to criticism,

04:46the people of the government also criticize some judges,

04:48you also criticize.

04:49So the question is,

04:51how is your criticism justified,

04:54when you also come on television and say about the biggest judge,

04:57that this man is a tout.

04:58Isn't this also an insult, criticism and humiliation?

05:03Listen to my press conference today.

05:06We have requested Qazi Faiz Isa to leave the case.

05:11Listen to the entire conference.

05:13That is past history.

05:16I don't think there is any point in breaking it up.

05:19The Chief Justice who said something about me,

05:24he said that my brother has been given relief.

05:27I did talk about it.

05:29We thought that whatever the Supreme Court decides,

05:32it is according to the requirements of the law.

05:35So the answer to relief does not come in it.

05:37Relief happens when a person does not deserve it,

05:41but something is given to him.

05:43So I did raise a question on it, Mr. Badami.

05:46But look at today's press conference.

05:48Look at my press conference three or four days ago.

05:51We have been talking about judiciary.

05:53Can we sum up the word tout in such a way that you are not proud of those words?

05:57It happened in the heat of the moment, but you are not proud of it.

05:59That is all gone in the past.

06:01I don't want to make it up again.

06:03I think it is better to forget it.

06:05We respect judiciary.

06:07Read my articles.

06:08We are very happy that fresh air is coming from the judiciary.

06:13My conviction is that the most important pillar of the state,

06:18even ahead of the legislature,

06:20is the judiciary.

06:22If the judiciary does justice, the state will move forward.

06:25Every state is based on the requirements of justice.

06:29If justice is delivered, the state will progress.

06:31If justice is not delivered, the state will not progress.

06:34Legislature also comes after the judiciary in my own appraisal.

06:40And sir, let me ask a related question.

06:42Although it is related to the past, then we will talk about the future.

06:45Do you also think that it was not a very good decision

06:50on the part of the previous government, when Mr. Khan was the Prime Minister?

06:52And this is not an accusation.

06:54He himself has accepted it on record.

06:56That at the behest of the most important people of the establishment at that time,

06:59a reference was filed against a judge of the Supreme Court.

07:01Although he is being avenged,

07:03it is not a good thing.

07:04I am not justifying that.

07:05But that too was not a good decision by the government.

07:09And such a way should also end.

07:11Look, Mr. Badami, if you have seen my press conference today,

07:15there are 7 or 8 reasons on the basis of which we have requested the Chief Justice to recuse himself.

07:21One of the reasons we have cited is that

07:24because a reference was filed against him during our government,

07:29which was targeted with special criticism,

07:32so we feel that maybe he is a victim of bias because of that.

07:36And this is a very natural thing.

07:38This is a human thing.

07:41I am not specifically criticizing him on this.

07:46But I am just saying that since this is a fact,

07:49that a reference was filed against him during our government,

07:52it would be better if he does not listen to Imran Khan's cases.

07:56To the second part of your question,

07:58Mr. Badami, a lot of things have happened that should not have happened.

08:01I speak very straight.

08:03And I think this was also one of those things that should not have happened.

08:07Absolutely right.

08:09And sir, is it possible that you have requested the Chief Justice to recuse himself from your cases?

08:17Is it also possible that if there is no hearing on this,

08:21then PTI may stop appearing before him?

08:24Is that also a possibility?

08:26Look, this possibility is there,

08:29but our legal team and Mr. Khan will decide on this.

08:32Mr. Khan will tell us what to do.

08:34If we do not get justice,

08:36and if this conviction is further strengthened,

08:39then what we have to do,

08:41what will be its reaction, what will be the response,

08:43that will be decided by our legal team and Mr. Khan,

08:46and it will move forward accordingly.

08:48And sir, has the legal team decided anything in the light of Mr. Khan's instructions

08:53regarding the reference filed by Amir Farooq of Islamabad High Court?

08:58Yes, work is being done on it.

09:01I think the decision will be made in a couple of days,

09:04and the process will be moved forward.

09:07So, it would be right to assume that the paperwork and other requirements are being fulfilled,

09:13but these cases are moving towards a reference?

09:16It can go. I will say this correctly, it can go.

09:20Okay, so the final decision has not yet been made in this regard?

09:23Yes, the decision has been made, but I will still say that it can go.

09:30Okay, fine.

09:32Now, let us make our assumption in the light of your words,

09:35that what is meant by this.

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