11th Hour | Waseem Badami | ARY News | 8th July 2024

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Host:
- Waseem Badami

Guests:
- Dr Babar Awan PTI
- Asad Qaiser PTI
- Shahid Khaqan Abbasi APP

Kenyan court announces verdict in Arshad Sharif murder case - Waseem Badami's Analysis

PTI leader Babar Awan's analysis on social media campaign against IHC's judges

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00:00In the name of God, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful.
00:14In the beginning, if anyone had the slightest doubt that the famous journalist of Pakistan,
00:22the famous anchor of Airway News, Mr. Arshad Sharif's murder, the way he was brutally murdered,
00:29it was exactly as it was being said.
00:33That is, a car was going from Kenya to a place 100-150 km away.
00:37Mr. Arshad was driving it and there was a traffic jam.
00:40The police stopped the car, but the car did not stop.
00:43The police had a doubt.
00:44The police thought that it was a stolen car.
00:47There was a message going around that the car was stolen.
00:50A child had also been killed.
00:51And the police thought that it was the same car.
00:53They fired bullets.
00:55In reality, a man lost his life.
00:57It was a case of mistaken identity.
00:59If anyone had faith in this theft,
01:02then today another clear presentation has been made to end that belief.
01:08When a high court in Kenya has given its own decision in this regard.
01:13And what are its details?
01:15You see, Kenya's high court has declared Mr. Arshad Sharif's murder illegal with the firing of Kenyan police officers.
01:22It has declared it a violation of human rights.
01:26Not only this, but the high court in Kenya has also issued an order for military action against the police officer who fired the bullet.
01:34In some words, the court has said that Mr. Arshad Sharif's murder was not a result of a mistake in identity.
01:39That is, the story that was told, the court refused to believe that story.
01:44It has been said that investigations must be carried out in the depth of this murder.
01:48In addition, not only this, but the high court in Kenya has ordered Mr. Arshad Sharif's family to pay one crore Kenyan shilling,
01:54which is about two crore Pakistani rupees.
01:57It has also been ordered to pay as compensation.
02:00On October 23, 2022, Mr. Arshad Sharif was killed by police officers in Magadi, about 110 km from Nairobi, Kenya.
02:10And it was said by the police that it was a mistake in identity.
02:14The Kenyan police said in a press conference that this car was hit by bullets due to a mistake in identity.
02:19On October 27, a funeral was held in Islamabad Faisal Masjid.
02:23He was buried in H11 graveyard.
02:26After that, his wife, Javeera Siddiq Sahiba, filed a case against the GSU General Service Unit and the five prominent police officers in Kenya on October 19, 2023.
02:38The decision was preserved on May 8, about two months ago.
02:43And today, two months later, this decision has been heard.
02:47There is no mention of this case in Pakistan.
02:50His wife also said after this decision that justice has been achieved to some extent there, but not here.
02:57After the murder of Arshad Sharif in Kenya, a Joint Investigation Committee was also formed in Pakistan on this issue.
03:02The Supreme Court has also taken notice of this, but no progress has been made so far.
03:07The government there still has the right to appeal on this within 30 days.
03:12And until then, the government of this crime will also remain silent.
03:16There have been many statements on this issue in Pakistan.
03:19It is very saddening and worrying that a high-profile murder has been committed.
03:27Obviously, every person's life is equally precious.
03:29Every mother loves her son equally.
03:31But if a high-profile murder has been committed, and even in that case, no result has been reached.
03:39And obviously, a long history has been filled.
03:41Start with Liaquat Ali Khan.
03:43Come to Benazir Bhutto Sahiba.
03:44Come to Arshad Sharif.
03:45So, if such a high-profile case is not reached to any logical conclusion,
03:50then what steps a common man would not have taken in this country in terms of justice?
03:56This itself is a question mark.
03:58As you saw yesterday, in Karachi, a DSP was martyred in broad daylight.
04:03Bullets were fired.
04:04So, when a person is forced to think, he gets worried.
04:09When such high-profile people are martyred in broad daylight,
04:13or when there is no evidence of their murder,
04:16then what about a common man?
04:18May Allah protect him.
04:19Coming to the next story, this is also linked in a way.
04:22The matter here is that there are more than one judge in a court in Pakistan, Islamabad High Court.
04:29Not one, not two, not three, not four, not five, but six.
04:32Six judges express their opinion that they are facing very special conditions.
04:37They are facing a lot of pressure.
04:39They don't just say these things in a closed room.
04:42In fact, they write a letter to their Chief Justice.
04:48In that, they also tell the details that this is happening with this person, this is happening with that person.
04:52Anyway, after that, the matter is that some opinions start coming on social media about some judges.
05:00The court thinks that this is an organized work from somewhere,
05:04an organized propaganda has started against those related judges.
05:09The short story is that in the history of Islamabad High Court,
05:12or at least in the current history,
05:14today a full court hearing is held on this issue.
05:16And its progress is made.
05:18Although the matter has not reached a final conclusion today.
05:20But the summary is that the court also expresses its concern in this regard.
05:24It expresses its optimism that this is an organized mission.
05:27And if the government is not involved at the time,
05:30then at least there is silence in it.
05:33This is what we understand from the mind of the court.
05:35This is a very important progress in this regard.
05:38And in some other regards,
05:40because our guests today are legal experts,
05:42and they also have a political affiliation.
05:45So we will talk to them in both the regards.
05:47Mr. Babar Awan, of course, is the senior advisor of Pakistan Jurisprudence.
05:51He is also one of the senior most advocate advisors of Pakistan.
05:54Today, the lawyer has also expressed his opinion in this regard.
05:57Mr. Babar Awan is present with us.
06:00Huzoor, Assalam-o-Alaikum.
06:03Wa-alaikum-as-salam.
06:05Sir, thank you very much for your time.
06:08Sir, please give your opinion on this.
06:11Obviously, if this is an organized mission against the judge,
06:15then there should be no worries and actions should be taken in this regard.
06:19But what is your opinion on this?
06:21Another opinion that the government gives,
06:23just a while ago Rana Sanaw Allah Sahib was saying
06:25that the judge should not be so over-sensitive about social media.
06:29Another government representative was saying that
06:33when the people of Pakistan Jurisprudence are saying so many things against Faisal Sahib,
06:37against Aamir Farooq Sahib,
06:39and what all happened in the judicial complex,
06:41then the sensitivity was not shown as much as it was shown in this regard.
06:44You yourself, and this is a very relevant question,
06:46because you yourself have faced a license violation
06:49in the same court,
06:51outside the court, through a famous press conference.
06:54So, in your opinion, should the court be more sensitive in these matters?
06:58What is your opinion on this?
07:29And the second result of this was that
07:31the police story was disproved in Kenya.
07:34And this is not a case of mistaken identity,
07:36but a culpable homicide,
07:38that is, it was intentionally killed.
07:40But the third aspect of this is extremely regrettable,
07:44regretful, and a very shameful aspect,
07:48which is that in Pakistan,
07:50even after almost two years,
07:52a famous journalist and anchor,
07:55who has done a lot of coverage on national issues,
07:59and has been a part of so many people,
08:01about his own death,
08:03not a brick, not an inch,
08:05and not a stone,
08:07from one place to another,
08:09has been placed.
08:11This is the criminal justice system of Pakistan,
08:13and the legal-constitutional atmosphere at the moment,
08:15this is a very big question mark for him,
08:17not a sign, but a shame.
08:19This is a black mark.
08:21I want to say the second and last thing on this,
08:23that this investigation,
08:25until it is not done,
08:27because the crime of this,
08:29in Pakistan's criminal justice system,
08:31there are 177 and then 179,
08:35that if a person has left Pakistan,
08:37and that person,
08:39I will give you a local example,
08:41he has left Karachi,
08:43he got one kind of wrong,
08:45he got another in Islamabad,
08:47he reached Lahore,
08:49he lost his life,
08:51this can happen only in one place.
08:53Why not Pakistani agencies are conducting
08:55the investigating agencies?
08:57Where are all these people,
08:59who say that we...
09:03Babar sir,
09:05if we connect Babar Awan sir on the telephone,
09:09Babar Awan sir,
09:11can you hear me, Babar Awan sir?
09:15If we can connect Babar Awan sir on the telephone,
09:17Babar Awan sir,
09:19can you hear me, Babar Awan sir?
09:21We are talking about this,
09:23that it has been two years,
09:25and in October,
09:27two years will be completed,
09:29and in this regard,
09:31there is no precedent,
09:33no mentionable precedent,
09:35in this case,
09:37is not there,
09:39this itself is a very big question mark.
09:41In the meantime,
09:43if we can connect Babar Awan sir,
09:45the Chief Justice of Pakistan,
09:47Tariq-e-Insaaf,
09:49has expressed his strict opinion,
09:51regarding some sitting judges,
09:53in the last few days.
09:55In fact, there is also news,
09:57that it is possible,
09:59that there is a reference regarding
10:01the Chief Justice of Islamabad High Court,
10:03but if we can show that shot,
10:05then show us,
10:07if there is any reference
10:09of Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaaf.
10:11I can't say anything,
10:13but what is coming,
10:15from January onwards,
10:17is not a praiseworthy thing.
10:19Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaaf,
10:21is the biggest judge of Pakistan's
10:23biggest court,
10:25I have a specific question,
10:27regarding him,
10:29do you trust your party?
10:31No, I don't trust my party at all.
10:33Look, the special things that happened
10:35in the meeting,
10:37first of all,
10:39the Supreme Judicial Council matter,
10:41definitely do it,
10:43regarding the Chief Justice.
10:45In today's meeting, he said,
10:47you should go to the Supreme Judicial Council,
10:49against the Chief Justice of Islamabad High Court.
10:51Absolutely.
10:53We have repeatedly requested,
10:55that you don't listen to our cases.
10:57And your demand is still there.
10:59We have repeatedly requested,
11:01in Islamabad High Court,
11:03today again,
11:05with the instruction of Mr. Khan,
11:07we demand that Mr. Khan's cases,
11:09should be in front of the Free and Fair Tribunal,
11:11in which we have requested the judge,
11:13to recuse them.
11:15Mr. Babbar, can you hear me now?
11:17The call got disconnected.
11:19Yes, I can hear you.
11:21Now tell me,
11:23we have shown some shots as well,
11:25so we have thought about it.
11:27Otherwise, it is clear that
11:29there is a more severe nature,
11:31in which someone is being touted,
11:33someone is being said,
11:35that he doesn't work without such and such sign.
11:37Doesn't he have any sensitivity,
11:39to such allegations?
11:41No, not at all.
11:43I think this is a wrong understanding,
11:45a wrong way, a wrong question.
11:47And we have to take this issue in a wrong way.
11:49The first thing is that,
11:51not only in the history of Pakistan,
11:53but in the history of this region,
11:55for the first time,
11:57the whole Constitutional Court,
11:59has openly said that,
12:01those who are behind us,
12:03have written their names,
12:05and are compelling us,
12:07that in specific cases,
12:09in a specific manner,
12:11we should do all this,
12:13according to their will.
12:15After that, the Balochistan High Court,
12:17wrote this,
12:19then the judges of Peshawar High Court,
12:21wrote this,
12:23then the judges of Karachi,
12:25Sindh High Court,
12:27wrote this,
12:29then a session judge of Punjab,
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25:37see,
25:39see,
25:41this government has no moral authority,
25:43these are the people of Forum 47,
25:45they are a fake government,
25:47they have come to power
25:49in an illegal way,
25:51so they have no moral authority,
25:53they have no strength,
25:55they have no recognition
25:57internationally,
25:59and they will do such things,
26:01because of which,
26:03they will deny our legal rights,
26:05but you have already told us your actions,
26:07and sir,
26:09how do you see Aleema Khan's statement,
26:11she says that Khan sir
26:13will never say for himself,
26:15that leave,
26:17just leave the party,
26:19do the trade,
26:21no, it is absolutely right,
26:23Khan sir will not say this,
26:25we are just talking about a policy shift,
26:27we understand that,
26:29it is only one thing,
26:31because Khan sir was a little too much in this,
26:33so he did not allow us,
26:35he said,
26:37take the NOC,
26:39if Khan sir,
26:41we have to decide,
26:43but there is one issue,
26:45that we do not need the NOC,
26:47now the time has come,
26:49that we will decide,
26:51but it is a big decision,
26:53in this big decision,
26:55we will definitely,
26:57that is why,
26:59first you will give permission to Khan sir,
27:01but Khan sir,
27:03in the court,
27:05his lawyer openly said,
27:07that you should not get the special permission,
27:09but the rest of the parties,
27:11should get it,
27:13Hamid Raza's statement,
27:15he said,
27:17I think Maulana sir will come,
27:19he will increase his rate,
27:21and he will leave,
27:23still he says,
27:25if you agree,
27:27he will stand with you,
27:29I have a relationship with Maulana,
27:31he is in the area,
27:33we are trying to have a meeting in a day or two,
27:35anyway,
27:37we are in a relationship,
27:39and,
27:41we have the same agenda,
27:43we have the same point of view,
27:45so,
27:47there can be no reason,
27:49for us to separate,
27:51we have to follow the law,
27:53and in this regard,
27:55Maulana sir,
27:57you are not disappointed,
27:59or you are disappointed,
28:01no, no,
28:03we raised our concern with him,
28:05but,
28:07we have a good relationship,
28:09I can assure you,
28:11and we will make a grand alliance,
28:13after this,
28:15we have a plan in Karachi,
28:17I am going to Lahore,
28:19and Karachi,
28:21to meet GDA leadership,
28:23so that we can make a grand alliance,
28:25and the main purpose of this alliance,
28:27is that,
28:29there should be a law and order in this country,
28:31so, you want that,
28:33when there is a meeting,
28:35Maulana, Jamiat-e-Ulema-e-Islam,
28:37should also stand with you, right?
28:39yes, of course,
28:41we understand that,
28:43there is a one point agenda,
28:45in which there should be a law and order,
28:47so, sir,
28:49if tomorrow,
28:51a decision is made,
28:53what do you mean by that?
28:55what if you don't get a special session?
28:57why should I presume that?
28:59I hope that,
29:01God willing,
29:03we will get it,
29:05because there is no cure,
29:07that we don't get it.
29:09now, you are thinking,
29:11I am sure,
29:13and sir,
29:15Mr. Fawad, Mr. Imran, Mr. Ali Zahid,
29:17what is the status now,
29:19that,
29:21it is neither confirmed,
29:23nor it is confirmed,
29:25that Mr. Khan will decide himself,
29:27is that it?
29:29yes, of course,
29:31Mr. Khan will decide himself,
29:33because,
29:35he has lived with them,
29:37so, Mr. Khan will decide.
29:39by the way,
29:41did you call Mr. Fawad,
29:43and say,
29:45brother,
29:47keep it low,
29:49because,
29:51if there are any concerns,
29:53or any issues,
29:55he should talk to the party.
29:57what did Mr. Fawad say,
29:59in response?
30:01no, I spoke to him once,
30:03I told him,
30:05he said,
30:07I will not give any statement,
30:09I will try.
30:11you must have seen,
30:13that he hit you,
30:15with a stick,
30:17he came to say that,
30:19that is an innocent question.
30:21I have only one target now,
30:23I tell you Mr. Badami,
30:25look, in politics,
30:27I am not interested,
30:29nor I have any desire,
30:31I just want,
30:33that in my life,
30:35there should be some steps,
30:37to make the law,
30:39in this country,
30:41because of me,
30:43there should be 1% role,
30:45to make the law.
30:47Sir,
30:49regarding the statements,
30:51in the end,
30:53I want to ask,
30:55because Mr. Afridi's statement,
30:57is being discussed a lot,
30:59in our program,
31:014-5 years ago,
31:03he gave the statement,
31:05that the army chief,
31:07is the father of the nation,
31:09we asked him last week,
31:11he said,
31:13yes,
31:15he is right,
31:17but what was wrong,
31:19in the statement,
31:21the statement was right,
31:23so what is your opinion,
31:25regarding this,
31:27I just,
31:29that is Mr. Afridi's,
31:31own opinion,
31:33he is our brother,
31:35he is our friend,
31:37he is the party's policy,
31:39and we,
31:41we will,
31:43follow the party's policy,
31:45according to the party's policy,
31:47he is not the father,
31:49no,
31:51our only,
31:53our only,
31:55priority,
31:57is not the law,
31:59it is the constitution,
32:01supremacy of parliament,
32:03freedom,
32:05nothing else,
32:07nothing is above the law,
32:09if there was a question,
32:11we have answered it,
32:13thank you sir,
32:15thank you very much,
32:17Mr. Asad Qaisar is with us,
32:19in the meantime,
32:21a new political party,
32:23is born in Pakistan,
32:25Mr. Shahid Haqqan Abbasi,
32:27is its founder,
32:29we have given Mr. Haqqan some time,
32:31after a short break,
32:33we will ask him some innocent questions,
32:35Prime Minister,
32:37as I said,
32:39Mr. Shahid Haqqan Abbasi,
32:41is a former Prime Minister of Pakistan,
32:43and Mr. Miftah Ismail,
32:45is the founder of a party,
32:47you have heard about it,
32:49Awam Pakistan Party,
32:51and we have given Mr. Shahid Haqqan Abbasi,
32:53a lot of time,
32:55you have heard a lot about this party,
32:57we will try to take the discussion,
32:59a little further,
33:01thank you very much,
33:03Mr. Shahid Haqqan,
33:05Sir, I was thinking,
33:07correct me if I am wrong,
33:09recently in Pakistan,
33:11a new party was formed,
33:13here in Karachi,
33:15Mr. Mustafa Kamal,
33:17PSP, Pakistan Land Party,
33:19although there were others,
33:21but ultimately,
33:23they were unsuccessful,
33:25they had to close the party,
33:27do you have enough reasons,
33:29to believe that this party,
33:31will prevail,
33:33the other parties,
33:35that were formed,
33:37were firm parties,
33:39one day,
33:41there were officials,
33:43there were electables,
33:45and then,
33:47you would see,
33:49in a week or 10 days,
33:5120-30 people would join,
33:53this is not that party,
33:55this is a grassroots party,
33:57and the solution to the country's problems,
33:59the country's problems,
34:01will be solved,
34:03and a new thought,
34:05will be given to the country,
34:07Sir, this is a very good thing,
34:09that an organic work is being done,
34:11not an engineered work,
34:13but my question is,
34:15if an engineered work,
34:17was not able to be done,
34:19the support from here,
34:21the support from there,
34:23the electable,
34:25was not able to be done,
34:27and ultimately,
34:29whether it is an engineered work,
34:31or a needed work,
34:33there is always a loss,
34:35there is always a failure,
34:37that is why,
34:39there is a need,
34:41for a grassroots party,
34:43that can solve the country's problems,
34:45have better people,
34:47have skills,
34:49have integrity,
34:51with this,
34:53the country will move forward,
34:55otherwise,
34:57there is no solution,
34:59there is no solution,
35:01there is no solution,
35:03there is no solution,
35:05there is no solution,
35:07there is no solution,
35:09there is no solution,
35:11there is no solution,
35:13there is no solution,
35:15there is no solution,
35:17there is no solution,
35:19there is no solution,
35:21there is no solution,
35:23there is no solution,
35:25there is no solution,
35:27there is no solution,
35:29there is no solution,
35:31there is no solution,
35:33there is no solution.
35:55There is no solution,
35:57there is no solution,
35:59there is no solution,
36:01there is no solution,
36:03there is no solution.
36:25I forgot to say,
36:27that the new party,
36:29that has been formed,
36:31that has been formed after PSP,
36:33and Alhamdulillah,
36:35its MNA has also come,
36:37it is not as much as they were thinking,
36:39it is much less than that,
36:41but it has come,
36:43but you are saying that
36:45all the political parties
36:47are against us,
36:49and which political party
36:51do you think
36:53is doing the best work
36:55in the country?
36:57Right now,
36:59everyone is looking for power,
37:01if they get power,
37:03they are ready to make
37:05all kinds of deals,
37:07this is nothing new,
37:09if you look at the last 4 years,
37:11every party has been looking
37:13for power,
37:15everyone has got power,
37:17but still,
37:19everyone has failed.
37:21This is all about power,
37:23what else is there to fight for?
37:25If they were in power,
37:27then their narrative was different,
37:29if they are not in power,
37:31then the narrative is different.
37:33When we are in power,
37:35we don't remember the constitution,
37:37nor do we remember the principles,
37:39nor do we remember the parliament,
37:41so when we move away from there,
37:43then we remember everything.
37:45Isn't this a Civilian Supremacy
37:47war that Mr. Imran Khan is fighting?
37:49The Civilian Supremacy war
37:51when you are in power,
37:53that was the time to fight the war,
37:55you will bring Civilian Supremacy
37:57with your actions,
37:59you should have shown
38:01with your actions that the
38:03civil government can work,
38:05can solve the problems of the country,
38:07can adopt democratic values,
38:09can give respect to the parliament,
38:11you didn't do all that.
38:13And if I ask you,
38:15do you think that when
38:17you were fighting the Civilian Supremacy
38:19war, when you were in jail,
38:21if I say this,
38:23at that time you thought
38:25that it was a Civilian Supremacy war,
38:27later you got the idea
38:29that it was just a game for power.
38:33Look, when it was about the constitution,
38:35when it was about giving respect
38:37to the parliament,
38:39the people were together,
38:41when the Muslim League was removed from there,
38:43and started talking about power,
38:45then the result of the February 8th election
38:47is in front of you.
39:15You should have stopped the leakage
39:17that you are suggesting today,
39:19that I will stop smuggling,
39:21and the people would have been relieved,
39:23the people would have enjoyed it.
39:25Yes, this is not just a matter
39:27of one government,
39:29when you live in governments,
39:31you should talk about it,
39:33you should solve it.
39:35I was the Prime Minister
39:37for 10 months,
39:39I was a representative of a Jamaat,
39:41but despite that,
39:43the people were relieved,
39:45and believe me,
39:47if you had followed that path,
39:49your taxes would have increased,
39:51you wouldn't have to pay taxes today.
39:53This budget,
39:55I will call it a shameful budget,
39:57because in this budget,
39:59for the people,
40:01you could have saved more
40:03by putting more burden on the people,
40:05but you didn't even try.
40:07It was not possible for Pakistan
40:09to give relief,
40:11you didn't even think about it.
40:13You didn't even think about it.
40:15The income tax issue is fine,
40:17when Mr. Miftai Ismail
40:19pitched the last budget,
40:21it was also said that
40:23it is an election budget,
40:25so all the governments
40:27do something in the election budget
40:29so that there is some benefit
40:31in the election.
40:33But sir, you also believe
40:35through your answer
40:37that it is not that simple
40:39smuggling has started
40:41in the last 5-6 years,
40:43it was smuggling as usual,
40:45which we should all try to do.
40:47This is not just a matter
40:49of one government,
40:51when this thought comes up,
40:53that is why I say that
40:55until the politicians of this country
40:57do not sit down,
40:59you will not find a solution
41:01to the problem.
41:03This smuggling is not just
41:05a matter of one government,
41:07it has increased to such an extent
41:09that it is having an impact
41:11on your budgetary numbers.
41:15And are you adding
41:17any more famous names
41:19to your political party
41:21in the coming days?
41:23Yes, we will invite,
41:25we have not invited anyone yet,
41:27the party has been launched,
41:29we will also make a vision document
41:31which we will put in front of the media
41:33in 3-4 weeks,
41:35and then we will go
41:37and invite everyone.
41:39This is a journey,
41:41it does not happen in a day,
41:43but by the grace of Allah,
41:45there is a lot of progress
41:47in the political circles
41:49and we will make a way
41:51in the public.
41:53I will take a few names
41:55that are very obvious,
41:57for example,
41:59Mustafa Naz Khokhar
42:01was with you in the initial days,
42:03this is a journey,
42:05he will join us tomorrow.
42:07Is there any possibility
42:09of Mr. Zubair coming?
42:11I have not talked to anyone
42:13about Mr. Zubair yet,
42:15we will talk to the people
42:17who we think should come
42:19to the party,
42:21we will contact them
42:23and invite them.
42:25Is Mr. Zubair among them?
42:27We will talk to them
42:29about their thoughts,
42:31we will talk to them
42:33about their views.
43:01Why should a voter
43:03think that
43:05he will vote for
43:07Shahid Khan Abbasi?
43:11If he is present,
43:13he will vote.
43:15If he is not present,
43:17he will not vote.
43:19Why should he
43:21vote for you?
43:23Why should he leave everyone
43:25and vote for you?
43:27We think that
43:29we will talk to the people
43:31about their problems.
43:33All the parties have failed.
43:35Everyone is in trouble.
43:37Everyone is in pain.
43:39We have not been able to
43:41find a solution to any problem.
43:43The problems are increasing
43:45and all the parties
43:47are silent.
43:49Whoever will talk about
43:51the problems of the country,
43:53whoever will have the ability
43:55and integrity,
43:57because people are disappointed
43:59with the parties.
44:01They see that there is nothing
44:03left in the parties.
44:05Today, no party is talking
44:07about the problems.
44:09It is only about power.
44:11The assembly has become
44:13the center of abuse.
44:15No one is talking about
44:17the people of the country.
44:19Is the PTI voter also
44:21disappointed with the PTI?
44:23Yes, of course.
44:25If the PTI had not formed
44:27a government,
44:29the situation would have been
44:31very different.
44:33Don't you think that
44:35the situation would have been
44:37very different if the PTI
44:39had not formed a government?
44:41If the PTI had not formed a government,
44:43the situation would have been
44:45very different.
44:47I am ready to go to jail.
44:49I don't want to go to jail.
44:51If the PTI had formed a government,
44:53wouldn't this have happened?
44:55If you are so afraid about this,
44:57then don't do politics.
44:59If the politics of this country
45:01is that an army chief is appointed
45:03then what about the population of their country?
45:05You are not in the same situation
45:07as the population of this country.
45:09If you ignore the politics,
45:11then it is the right.
45:15The PM'd could have
45:19taken 50-60 seats.
45:21At that time, as you are saying that it was the right to remain unconfident,
45:24then it was also the right to rule for the remaining 10 years after being unconfident, right?
45:29It was the right to remain unconfident, but that was your choice, right?
45:32Yes, but...
45:33You did not make a wrong decision on a regular basis, right?
45:36Now, you...
45:37Yes, you did not make a wrong decision on a regular basis.
45:40It was a very wrong decision politically.
45:42You were unconfident, you removed the government, it was your right to remain unconfident.
45:46Now, you have to see what politics is.
45:48You have put all the responsibilities of a failed government on your shoulders
45:51and you did not make any decisions yourself.
45:53You exposed yourself.
45:54You got the result of that in the election.
45:56Are you saying this today or did you have this opinion even then?
45:58When Mr. Khan's government fell, did you have this opinion even then
46:00that sir, go to the elections, do not take power?
46:03Yes, my opinion was exactly the same.
46:05It was in the Jamaat as well.
46:06And I have said this many times on TV as well.
46:08But when a Jamaat makes a decision, it becomes your decision.
46:11So, unfortunately, my decision was also made.
46:14So, we did not run the government for 16 months.
46:16If we had run the government, the results would have been different.
46:20The people of Pakistan forgot about Mr. Khan's failure
46:24and gave the answer to the PDM in the elections.
46:27Do you think that it was a wrong idea to bring down the government under the pretext of being unconfident?
46:31It was a regular decision, but it was also politically wrong.
46:34Look, I do not consider it politically wrong.
46:37It was the right decision.
46:38Because the PTI government had already failed.
46:43Mr. Imran Khan and Mr. Bajwa had also acknowledged this.
46:48When the vote was taken, Mr. Bajwa had completed the numbers.
46:52Mr. Imran Khan did not have the majority.
46:55It is true.
46:58Towards the end, Mr. Mifta Ismail was telling me that
47:01there was a dinner with Mr. Bajwa on a podcast.
47:04In that, you personally gave Mr. Bajwa this opinion
47:07that sir, do not take power, there will be a lot of problems.
47:09Is this how it happened?
47:12Anyway, let me and Mr. Bajwa stay between us.
47:15Mr. Mifta did not let you stay. What can I do?
47:18No, Mr. Mifta himself said that I do not want to comment on it.
47:22It is a personal matter.
47:23These things should remain between two people.
47:25Okay, let me do it.
47:26He also said that Mr. Bajwa himself invited us to dinner.
47:29And we both were in jail after a while.
47:32And this cannot happen without Mr. Bajwa's consent.
47:34Yes, it is November.
47:36He invited us.
47:38We were responsible people of the party.
47:41We took permission.
47:43Mr. Mifta was there, I was there, Mr. Khawaja was there.
47:45We met at his request.
47:47And what happened there was only about the country's economy.
47:53Anyway, after 5-6 months, we were all in jail.
47:57This is also a coincidence.
48:00And you met with Mr. Mian's permission?
48:02Yes, yes, we met with the permission of the Jamaat.
48:05Mr. Bajwa's government was going on better than Mr. Mian's, right?
48:08Jail and all that was going on, right?
48:10Yes, yes.
48:11He said that he wanted to talk about the economy.
48:13We left the government 3-4 months ago.

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