00:00The first story was our as expected decision.
00:05The decision was a safe one.
00:10And there was a lot of excitement in Pakistan Tariq-e-Ansaaf
00:15that it might happen between the workers.
00:19Today, those punishments that were requested for Muatli,
00:23but that decision came against the hopes of the workers of PTI.
00:28And according to that decision,
00:31the appeal was against the suspension of the punishment.
00:38And the main appeal is due now.
00:40I think it is due on 2nd July of this case.
00:43Now it will be up to everyone to decide how the case will proceed.
00:48Viewers, you might remember that four days before the elections,
00:52Bani PTI, Imran Khan and Mrs. Bujra Begum were sentenced to 7 years of imprisonment.
01:04The same case is going on.
01:06To talk about this case, we have invited Mr. Shahbaz Khosla,
01:09who is a senior healer of the Supreme Court of Pakistan.
01:12We will ask him what is his opinion on this case.
01:20Before going to the decision, we have understood a little.
01:24Viewers, paragraph 8 of this decision is given by Session Judge, Mr. Afzal Mujoka.
01:34Paragraph 8 says,
01:38Keeping in view the above-mentioned esteemed citation,
01:41this court is of the view that the merits of the case could not be discussed
01:45while deciding application under Section 426 CRPC.
01:49Paragraph 16 clearly explains that
01:56In the incident case, appeals are not only fixed but are to be decided with a fortnight
02:04as per the direction of the Honourable High Court, Islamabad.
02:07Furthermore, the London Council, for one of the petitioners,
02:11has already been addressed arguments partly on merit.
02:15This is the main appeal.
02:17Mr. Khosla, thank you very much.
02:19There was excitement.
02:21You have seen the leadership of PTI in the court.
02:24They were hoping that Bani PTI's punishment would be over today.
02:31Obviously, this was the only case in which he is in jail now.
02:36Maybe he will come out of jail
02:38because Antilal has not filed a new case against him.
02:42You have read the written decision on 10 pages.
02:47Please explain to us,
02:49what mistake has been made by the lawyer of PTI
02:52who was in a hurry to go to the main appeal
02:55instead of going to the suspension of sentence.
02:59Let's wait and see what will happen next week.
03:04Assalam-o-Alaikum.
03:05Salam to all the panelists and viewers.
03:09Wa-Alaikum-Salam.
03:10This excitement is inevitable.
03:14All the active members of PTI,
03:17the young blood of PTI,
03:19are in a big mess.
03:23All the other cases have been decided.
03:26Mr. Khan is still detained.
03:28Mind you, this punishment is a bailable offence.
03:32If an ordinary person is arrested in a bailable offence,
03:38the SHO takes the bail on personal bail.
03:42No court proceedings are intended.
03:45But here, because this is a political case,
03:48the way the judges were pressured,
03:50the way six judges wrote on it,
03:53this is in front of all of you.
03:55The way this case was remanded in the High Court,
03:59the direction was passed that the suspension should be decided immediately.
04:04And the main appeal should be decided in a month.
04:08Basically, in that context,
04:10the suspension was immediately imposed
04:13so that we can take relief in a month.
04:16But you saw what happened here at the last minute
04:20and how the complainant, Khawar Maneka,
04:24who has been in PTI for five years,
04:28was seen behind Imran Khan and Bushra Bibi,
04:33but what role he played here,
04:36after his software was updated,
04:38this is also in front of you.
04:40So, the excitement of the PTI workers was illegal.
04:45And the judge had 12 bailable offences.
04:49Even if the punishment was given,
04:51the punishment should have been suspended.
04:53But even if it was not done,
04:55I would say that it is a good thing that the court,
04:58which will now decide,
05:00at least the government will not have the excuse
05:03that it has been hasty or mindfully disclosed.
05:07Yes, if I were a lawyer,
05:08I would definitely try to argue the main appeal first.
05:13Even now, the last portion of paragraph 16 that you read yourself,
05:17he has clearly said that
05:19because these appeals are also partly heard
05:22and they have to be decided in two weeks,
05:24therefore, he will talk about all the merits on that.
05:28Mr. Khawaja, one more important point has been told in this case,
05:32the different citations that have been made,
05:34one is that it is obviously not a small punishment,
05:36it is a punishment of 7 years.
05:37And the second is that since they are not under trial,
05:40they are convicts and are being punished.
05:42Therefore, the different citations that have been told in this decision,
05:47according to that, in any such case,
05:49a suspension or a bail is not made.
05:52This argument has also been presented.
05:55See, this argument is obvious,
05:58the government had to present this only.
06:00The principle of suspension is that
06:02a case whose hearing is not visible from a distance
06:07or is not visible nearby,
06:10there you come to the court and say that
06:13because in my case I am innocent,
06:16the chances of my bail are very high
06:19and most probably I will be released.
06:22But since the appeal will not take a long time,
06:26therefore, for the time being,
06:29suspend my punishment because I am innocent.
06:33Now, in this case, because this time,
06:36it is written right in front of the appeal
06:39and it is written in the direction of the High Court
06:41that the date of the case has been fixed, 2nd July,
06:44and the argument in this is partly heard.
06:46Therefore, the workers of the PBI do not need to be changed in any way.
06:53I am saying that it is not appropriate to comment on this case.
07:00My basic question is,
07:02in fact, it is not a question, it is my comment,
07:04that the Judiciary should definitely be excited,
07:07but there is no need to be over-excited.
07:10I was seeing that these people have become very over-excited
07:13for the past 3-4 days
07:15and they had understood that the suspension of sentence will be done
07:19and the order that has come in front of you,
07:21as if you have ordered a very balanced order.
07:23But even then, despite this,
07:25Mr. Umar Ayub's saying that
07:27these are all things and we do not accept this decision,
07:30that is, if the decision comes in your favor, then you accept it.
07:33Then you are saying that we will challenge this order by going to the High Court.
07:36So, will this challenge be able to achieve an objective?
07:40The order of suspension of sentence.
07:42And how effective is being a lawyer? What do you think?
07:46Look, if I were in their place,
07:48then I would have also challenged this.
07:50There are some reasons for that.
07:52I will tell you the reason for that.
07:53In this case, the way it is being delayed again and again,
07:56not only in this case,
07:57but all the cases of Bani PTI and his wife,
08:01the way they are being handled,
08:03in that you have to take all the precautions.
08:06And because delay is unnecessary in this,
08:09because in one case only,
08:11Bushra Bibi is wanted and Mr. Imran Khan is behind bars.
08:14That is why it is very important to take precautions
08:16so that there is no further delay.
08:18If they go for an appeal on this,
08:20then there will definitely be a point in between
08:24that the High Court had decided
08:26that it should be decided within 7 days.
08:29And 7 days have passed.
08:31After many days, they have decided.
08:34And our appeals have not been heard properly yet.
08:39By then, the appeal would have gone to the High Court.
08:43And then it will be necessary in the lower court
08:46that they decide it within one timeline.
08:48If the lower court does not decide it within a timeline,
08:53then the PTI in the High Court will insist
08:57that this suspension should be taken.
08:59Because the trial court is not able to decide according to the direction.
09:03Mr. Chaudhary Ghulam Singh.
09:07I mean, the PTI and its lawyers,
09:12they see a rosy picture everywhere
09:14and it happens.
09:20Mr. Chaudhary, this is unfortunate.
09:28Yes, Mr. Khosla.
09:30This is an unfortunate reality.
09:33Right now, the PTI and its lawyers,
09:35especially their leaders,
09:37are very angry.
09:39And all kinds of unhappiness
09:41seems to be happening against them.
09:44This is an unfortunate reality of our political culture
09:49which is being repeated again and again.
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