00:00 (fighting sounds)
00:02 - What the?
00:10 - I didn't pick the damn team.
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00:15 - Hey everyone, it's Sean O'Connell,
00:18 the managing editor at Cinema Blend.
00:19 Here with Hannah Sollack to discuss
00:22 some of the latest happenings.
00:24 Like you trampled all over my intro, Hannah.
00:26 - Oh my God, I was just saying hi.
00:28 (laughing)
00:29 - Is that rat waving at me?
00:31 - I ruined everything.
00:34 - Sorry, we're talking about--
00:35 - Let's not even do this video.
00:37 - You sure, yeah, it's a good idea.
00:38 - Yo, let me out!
00:39 - I can't be a part of this.
00:40 - Did you wear red for Superman?
00:43 - Yes, I did.
00:44 - That is a cape-esque red.
00:47 I like it.
00:47 - Yes, I did.
00:48 Thank you for noticing.
00:49 - And if you haven't seen Hannah's amazing Barbie interviews,
00:54 they're also on our YouTube channel where she wore pink.
00:57 - I did wear pink.
00:58 - Very literal dressing lately.
01:00 (laughing)
01:01 - So let me get this straight.
01:03 You do dress like a bat, like an actual bat.
01:06 - We wanted to get on and discuss this
01:07 because, surprise, surprise, DC fans are mad
01:11 about some of the stuff that's going on
01:12 with Superman Legacy.
01:13 - Some DC fans.
01:14 - Some DC fans, that's fair enough.
01:16 So Hannah, why don't you kick us off
01:17 and tell us what has happened
01:19 in the world of Superman Legacy
01:21 and then we will weigh in with our opinions.
01:23 - Yes, okay, so we got a whole bunch of new castings,
01:26 which I think is super exciting.
01:27 So we have Nathan Fillion,
01:29 who was cast as A Green Lantern, Guy Gardner.
01:32 We got Isabella Merced cast as Hawkgirl.
01:37 We got Eddie Gathegi as Mr. Terrific
01:39 and Anthony Kerrigan as Metamorpho and I love him.
01:43 I don't know if you've watched Barry.
01:45 - I watched a lot of Barry.
01:46 I haven't seen the whole thing, but I do like him.
01:48 - No HoHank fan, like A+ character.
01:50 I'm obsessed with him.
01:51 So I was super excited about that one in particular.
01:54 But yeah, people are basically mad about that
01:56 because there's a concern that
01:58 because there are so many characters from DC Comics
02:03 in a DC Comics movie.
02:06 (coughing)
02:08 - Oh my God.
02:09 - That the film will not center on Superman/Clark
02:13 as much as certain fans think they should.
02:16 James Gunn has responded and made it clear.
02:18 He said something like, you know,
02:20 the choices were made for story.
02:22 He also said something like, you know,
02:24 we're gonna flesh out Clark's life as Clark.
02:27 So that requires characters like Jimmy Olsen,
02:30 Perry White, Lois Lane, but also as Superman.
02:33 Like he is going to be in a world
02:34 in which superheroes have existed, do exist.
02:38 So it's important to also establish
02:40 that he's in that world with some of these other DC heroes.
02:43 So people are still not convinced though.
02:47 - He has been with us the whole time.
02:50 - Somebody named Milton has been with us the whole time.
02:53 - Yes!
02:54 - But you said you were excited and fascinated
02:56 by the choice to have so many, I guess,
02:59 characters with recognizable names.
03:02 - Yeah, very much so.
03:04 And not at all concerned in a way where,
03:09 I understand that people were like,
03:12 when they did Batman versus Superman,
03:14 and all of a sudden it was like,
03:16 it wasn't a traditional Superman sequel
03:18 the way that we viewed it at the time.
03:19 It was like, oh, all of a sudden
03:21 you're trying to introduce a new Batman.
03:23 You're trying to introduce a Wonder Woman
03:25 and then Cyborg and the Flash and Aquaman.
03:28 And it didn't seem like a rush to build a universe.
03:30 But what I don't understand,
03:32 and I've seen certain tweets that are like,
03:35 where are all of the traditional Superman
03:39 supporting characters?
03:40 Like, why aren't we hearing about the casting
03:42 of Jonathan Kent?
03:44 And I don't want, I specifically don't want a rehash
03:49 of all the other Superman type of movies
03:52 that we've seen up until this point.
03:53 So when you tell me that there's a story
03:56 that's going to need a Hawkgirl or need a Green Lantern,
03:59 like, this is extremely exciting to me.
04:02 - I like it.
04:03 - I think it's incredibly smart
04:05 that you're starting a new universe.
04:08 This 10 film, whatever chapter one is gonna be,
04:11 that I think is gonna involve more films
04:14 and television shows, where the universe exists.
04:17 It already is in place.
04:19 And we can start with a sequence where
04:21 maybe Superman is battling with Green Lantern,
04:24 you know, up in somewhere deep in the universe.
04:27 And it's, you see, it's Guy Gardner
04:30 and we meet Nathan Fillion,
04:32 and we just know now he's there kind of thing.
04:34 Like, the idea that people are wringing their hands
04:37 over the amount of characters
04:39 that are suddenly being introduced in this thing
04:41 without having any clear indication
04:43 about how they're used is preposterous to me.
04:47 - This is insane.
04:48 - It reeks to me of, I just want to be upset about something
04:53 because, you know, just telling me
04:56 that there are characters in a screenplay
04:59 doesn't concern me in the least bit.
05:00 Like, of course. - Yeah, that's the weirdest
05:02 part of this. - So stupid.
05:03 - That's like being like, oh, you know,
05:05 Benji's gonna be in "Mission Impossible"
05:07 and so is Luther, and people being like,
05:09 well, it's not about Ethan Hunt anymore then.
05:11 It's like, no, there's just characters.
05:13 - 100%.
05:14 - Like, do you think if they would have just said,
05:15 not that they would have, but they said like,
05:17 oh, you know, Eddie Gathegi's been cast as, you know,
05:20 reporter number three in "Superman Legacy" or whatever.
05:22 Like, no one would care, but it's almost like
05:25 because it's like the hero, you know,
05:27 or like a recognizable name or something
05:29 that people are making, it's very interesting.
05:32 - Now, I will say to give the other side their equal due,
05:36 Black Adam tried this and it didn't work.
05:41 So I'm not saying that, you know,
05:43 it's one side or the other is a guaranteed success
05:47 because I would have liked more time
05:49 with the Justice Society characters
05:50 who we met in "Black Adam."
05:52 So it's 100% how you use them.
05:55 But if you take Gunn's suicide squad as an example,
05:59 he kind of hit the ground running
06:01 with a bunch of characters that we hadn't met before,
06:03 you know, one or two that we were familiar with.
06:05 And then another whole slate of team
06:07 who didn't make it past the first five minutes.
06:10 So he has been known to do irreverent things.
06:13 And I'm not saying that he's gonna kill off Hawk Girl,
06:16 you know, or something stupid like that.
06:18 But I'm just saying that there are scenarios in place
06:20 where these characters could be a part of a scene
06:23 or like who's to say that there isn't a hall of justice,
06:27 you know, scene where Superman has to go by there
06:30 at some point because in the middle of whatever mission
06:32 he's trying to figure out.
06:34 And these characters who he's talking about
06:37 are there already kind of thing.
06:39 One of them goes to help them,
06:40 but the other ones stick behind.
06:41 I mean, they're just there.
06:42 They're part of the universe.
06:43 And I think that that's fine.
06:45 - We gotta calm down.
06:46 - Yeah, you make a very, very good point.
06:48 It's like, people are almost like inferring
06:51 that they're going to be like main characters
06:53 instead of just like, oh, this person is like in a scene
06:56 for maybe a few seconds.
06:58 And I don't know that I've ever seen a James Gunn movie
07:00 where I've thought like, oh, that, you know,
07:03 script didn't really give enough time to X character.
07:06 Like I've never felt like his movies are overstuffed
07:09 in a way and like, you know what I mean?
07:12 - In the Guardians movies,
07:14 well, maybe Guardians volume two.
07:16 The end of volume two gets to be a little bit heavy.
07:20 - I am Groot.
07:21 - But so here's a name that I haven't heard yet
07:24 that I'm really glad that I have it.
07:26 Lex Luthor.
07:27 I don't think we need, I think we're going to get one,
07:30 but I don't think we need Lex to be a driving force
07:33 of this new Superman movie moving forward.
07:35 Try another villain.
07:37 - Okay.
07:38 - The new Blue Beetle trailer,
07:39 there's like a Lex Corp building in the back.
07:42 - Oh no.
07:42 Is there?
07:43 - Yeah.
07:44 And I, like, I mean,
07:45 I know James Gunn has never said anything about Lex.
07:48 He's like, even on a podcast, he was like,
07:50 "Who said that Lex is even in my movie?"
07:52 But like, I have a feeling Lex is in his movie.
07:55 - Interesting.
07:55 - But, but yeah, I mean, if he's not the main villain,
07:59 that's-
08:00 - Because with all of the casting, it was like,
08:02 oh, well then I guess Nicholas Holt is,
08:04 if he's not getting Superman, he's probably up for Lex.
08:06 And James Gunn never really came out
08:08 and said he was casting Lex.
08:09 - No, he has not.
08:12 He never even said that he was including him, but.
08:14 - It just feels like, so, you know,
08:15 Hackman played Lex for multiple films.
08:18 When they brought back "Superman Returns,"
08:20 it was Kevin Spacey.
08:22 Eisenberg obviously came on board
08:24 for "Batman vs. Superman."
08:27 And they crammed in the "Doomsday," you know,
08:30 story angle of BVS.
08:31 But like, there are enough Superman villains to bring in.
08:36 - I totally agree with you,
08:37 but what if Lex is just like in the newspaper in a shot?
08:41 Like, what if he's just, again, there,
08:44 but not necessarily the villain?
08:46 'Cause Lex is around.
08:48 - Of course.
08:50 And I mean, in "Man of Steel,"
08:52 how they peppered in, you know, LexCorp references
08:55 and Wayne Tech references, where you were just like,
08:58 oh, okay, well, they're part of the universe.
09:00 I guess we'll see them at some point later.
09:02 - I say.
09:03 - The other interesting thing this casting news raises
09:05 is Nathan Fillion was the detachable kid
09:09 in James Gunn's "The Suicide Squad"
09:11 and is now appearing in "Superman Legacy" as Guy Gardner.
09:15 Some people are taking this as a clear indication
09:17 of like "Superman Legacy" is a hard reboot on the DCU.
09:22 I don't think that's the case,
09:24 but it does kind of signal to me
09:26 that maybe James Gunn just really does not care
09:28 about anything that has previously happened.
09:30 He's going to take what he wants to take
09:32 and work with the actors he wants to work with.
09:34 And whether that be, you know,
09:35 keeping John Cena as Peacemaker
09:37 in that cast and that storyline.
09:39 Like, I don't think he's so concerned
09:41 with the rules of what came before
09:44 versus what he's doing now.
09:46 What do you think?
09:47 - I think you're right.
09:48 I think you're right, a hundred percent.
09:49 I think he's, and he's allowed to do this,
09:53 making up the rules a little bit as he goes.
09:55 - And it stands for what?
09:56 - Stands for me.
09:59 - Because hasn't he just recently said
10:01 like Blue Beetle is the first official DCU,
10:04 like going forward, you know,
10:06 he will continue to be Blue Beetle in this universe.
10:09 - Has not said that about Aquaman.
10:11 - No, no, he hasn't.
10:13 And then we do know that Peacemaker season two
10:18 was already in development and underway.
10:20 And he has the Waller show too, that had been announced.
10:23 So I think he can pick and choose.
10:28 Now, I don't think TDK was a big enough character
10:31 that people associate with Nathan Fillion.
10:34 You know, that they could be like,
10:35 well, hold on a second, that looks just like TDK.
10:39 That seemed to be just a running joke.
10:39 - Also, there are doppelgangers in real life, you know?
10:42 - Yes, exactly.
10:43 People tell me I look like Brad Pitt all the time.
10:46 - Exactly.
10:47 - It's exhausting.
10:48 Some have said you look like Amy Adams.
10:51 I've heard that every once in a while in the comments below.
10:54 - Those people are high.
10:55 - Peacemaker.
10:58 It's actually very nice.
11:02 Looks nothing like me.
11:03 So the point being, stop getting upset.
11:05 We're two years away from this movie happening.
11:09 We just got a Superman and a Lois.
11:12 We haven't even spoken about how we feel
11:13 about the casting of Superman and Lois, have we?
11:15 - We made a whole video, Sean.
11:17 - Yeah, really?
11:18 - Yeah.
11:19 - I should watch our stuff more often.
11:21 - I'm only laughing on the outside.
11:23 If you could see inside, I'd really cry.
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