00:00 So I just want to circle back to what you said earlier, that your family, just like the Pastor's family, migrated from Pampanga to Mindanao.
00:12 Do you know your family members? And maybe you should clarify also, did you get involved in the Kingdom?
00:18 Did you get involved here? What is your relationship with Pastor?
00:24 Pastor and I are friends and childhood friends. He is a bit older than me.
00:32 But when I started broadcasting in Davao, of course you are looking at the small people.
00:40 And I found a good pastor as one of the very few.
00:45 I saw him, the first church he built, the chapel, he started at Our Castillo in Jerom.
00:55 It was like a bank in Tondo.
01:00 You said he was just 7 years old?
01:05 He was patient. And then I saw how he grew.
01:10 First of all, I am not a member of the Kingdom of Jesus Christ.
01:15 My mother is a Roman Catholic, locked up, and thrown out of her house.
01:21 But I thank God.
01:24 Anyway, he was so kind.
01:27 I am witness to the fact that he studied a lot.
01:32 To the point that he was really fed.
01:36 He built buildings by himself.
01:39 When those buildings were not popular, when they built the kingdom,
01:43 when we were passing by, it was a mess.
01:46 Then we saw the members of the kingdom, helping each other, building the post.
01:52 The one who was reading.
01:55 So I said, no wonder, his members are really loyal to him.
02:02 We saw how he treats everybody in his organization.
02:10 Degong is not a member of KOJC.
02:13 But they are close.
02:15 Probably, you know Filipinos, or even non-Filipinos, the envy.
02:22 Because you can't imagine how big he was.
02:25 First, the churches, the LCI, etc.
02:31 But he grew, he grew.
02:34 And this is a secret, not many people know.
02:38 This SMNI, is the one who pays his workers, despite the fact that they are members of the church.
02:46 Because the others are just volunteers.
02:49 I don't know what his English is, but he doesn't want to be paid.
03:01 So you can see, even in the car of the SMNI, he is really top of the line.
03:06 If you are going to serve, you should give the right amount.
03:12 So that what you are giving is right.
03:15 You know, just to acknowledge some of the criticisms, they say it's like a cult.
03:22 What do you think?
03:25 You know, that's what always happens, even my mother is like that.
03:30 Because first, we started, most of us are Catholics.
03:34 But when people started learning and practicing the teachings of the Bible.
03:41 When you are Bible-centered, you are called a cult by the elders.
03:46 Because they don't understand why you dedicate so much.
03:50 So much time.
03:53 Because the typical Catholic, he will go to the church, will do the cross,
04:00 then will listen to the mass,
04:02 when the priest is humbling himself, the men will come out, they will listen to the gospel, they will talk.
04:06 That's typical.
04:08 But in Christian communities, whether SMN, KOJC, 700 Club, all of them are Bible-based.
04:17 Even the Quran-based Muslims, when they worship,
04:24 because my son-in-laws are Muslims, are Islams, their practice,
04:31 it's really...
04:35 So the criticism is unfounded.
04:38 But have you ever been recruited?
04:43 No.
04:44 Didn't you force to make friends, or you are childhood friends or something?
04:48 Even when I...
04:49 What is your friendship?
04:51 Our friendship is like this, if he wants to talk, he will call.
04:56 If I'm not doing anything, come here, let's talk, let's have coffee.
05:00 Just like that.
05:01 And since we are old...
05:03 He didn't pressure you?
05:04 No.
05:05 He said, "You are younger than me, you are already breathing, because I have asthma."
05:12 He is already 70, almost 80, but he is still playing basketball, full court.
05:19 You got into trouble a little bit, who doesn't?
05:23 Didn't you tell him, or teach him or whatever?
05:29 No, because my latest trouble, were all Trump charges, as a matter of fact, they were all dismissed.
05:36 So he is not like that, like preachy?
05:38 No.
05:39 He just said, he brought it to me, because we don't meet often,
05:45 what is this called, he just said to our common friend,
05:50 "I know Jay can withstand that."
05:52 Okay.
05:53 Which is, maybe he prayed for me, I'm sure he did.
05:58 As others would have done, those who are with me in the Oasis of Love Catholic Renewal Community.
06:05 So, that's it.
06:07 But what does Jayson know, that other people don't know, about Pastor...
06:13 He is too kind.
06:14 Okay.
06:15 To the point that he abuses.
06:17 Because I look at those who accuse him,
06:21 Oh, you believe it? He raised them, fed them, educated them, even became a lawyer.
06:28 He even gave them cars so they can practice.
06:31 And yet, they are the ones who...
06:33 I don't know, for whatever reasons, I don't know the reason why they did it.
06:40 But when you talk to them, because most of those original members of...
06:46 Because in Davao, we almost know each other, Davao was just small that day.
06:51 Even if they were selling cigarettes, selling shoes, we know each other.
06:56 So, we know, right?
06:59 The people who grew up in Davao would know.
07:04 The ingots, of course, that's a story.
07:06 Sure.
07:07 That's a story.
07:08 And I am not surprised because, of course, you know,
07:11 some people are doing business, this is their name, Relayon.
07:16 Sure.
07:17 So, maybe they are jealous because,
07:19 think about it, I have seen that there are big schools.
07:23 Their school is full of air conditioners.
07:26 It's like the school of Manila Times.
07:28 I saw that, but we are not that big compared to them.
07:33 But Juan, it means, you provide an ambience for students to really learn.
07:40 So, what do you think, is he the target?
07:43 Or the president, former president, is the target?
07:46 Or are they both the target?
07:48 Now, they are both the target.
07:50 That's what I said, three things.
07:53 But you can't...
07:56 Because they are really friends, they are friends.
08:00 They are family.
08:02 So, what the white thinks, I would say,
08:07 if you put Kibuloy in the middle,
08:10 he will be able to meet Mayor Digong, President Digong.
08:14 And the other one is not like that.
08:17 So, that's one problem.
08:19 Second, this one, because there are news,
08:25 there is an obsessed position.
08:28 I would even venture to advise him to take the other route.
08:35 That you are friends, don't fight.
08:39 Because, what, let's say he is not a last-termer.
08:45 He still has one term, so he will stay in that position.
08:49 But he intends to run for a higher office.
08:52 By the time, by the time he runs in 2028,
08:58 maybe the algorithm of SMNI and New Media will be different.
09:02 But are you saying that the pastor is like that?
09:05 That he is vindictive?
09:09 Yes, vindictive.
09:10 He is not.
09:11 Because when we talked to him, he said, let's pray.
09:15 Of course, he is a lawyer and image maker like us.
09:19 Or operations, broadcast operations people like us.
09:23 Our recommendations are different.
09:25 Because we are already being pushed.
09:28 We are already being pushed. We are already being taught, right?
09:32 I said yesterday when we had a meeting,
09:35 we of course caution our anchors,
09:39 that if you are going to go forward, don't.
09:43 Just attack left and right.
09:45 So what do you think, what's the endgame here?
09:51 What do you think will happen?
09:52 Something's got to give.
09:54 Either SMNI goes by the wayside or
09:58 the assault will back off.
10:03 What's your take?
10:05 The win-win situation is actually simple.
10:07 If they have the goods to revoke the franchise,
10:14 by all means, the perpetrator has the right to do so.
10:19 But if they don't have, I mean,
10:22 Who told me? I think it was Justice Conrado Vasquez who told me,
10:29 "There is nothing wrong with admitting a crime."
10:34 It is even healthy.
10:36 So, they don't have to go public and apologize.
10:42 Or simply, they should just end it.
10:45 Or tell the NTC, you do your job according to your process.
10:50 They remove the pressure.
10:53 But table on the side of SMNI.
10:56 Is there a mistake that should be made?
10:59 What's your...
11:01 There are changes that should be made.
11:05 And we intend to do that.
11:07 Especially when we go to free-to-air.
11:11 Because it's different.
11:12 In free-to-air, you have a limit.
11:14 This is the difference between print and broadcast.
11:18 In print, we can do everything.
11:21 In broadcast, you have a franchise.
11:24 That has limitations.
11:26 Like, I remember when Maring Winnie started with me in GMA.
11:33 I said, "It's cheap, Maring Winnie."
11:35 "It's not allowed."
11:37 Although, there is a jurisprudence in the Supreme Court
11:40 that it's not wrong to make the PI cheap.
11:45 But if we're going to stop it, let's stop it.
11:51 So, we always think
11:57 when we go back to free-to-air,
11:59 if ever we are granted the opportunity to go back soonest.
12:04 Because we're going to go back.
12:05 I'm hopeful we will be back very soon.
12:08 What we're saying to the viewers,
12:13 expect a better SMNI.
12:16 If not the best SMNI.
12:19 I think that's a good place to end our discussion.
12:22 Very interesting talk, Mr. Jeyo Sonsa.
12:24 Thank you.
12:25 Thank you very much.
12:26 But before we go, maybe you want to leave our viewers with some final thoughts.
12:30 To all the viewers, especially those in Mindanao,
12:37 I hope you will not forget our promise
12:43 that we will continue to be humble.
12:50 I hope you will also go to Central Luzon, especially Pampanga,
12:55 if you are able to leave
12:58 and join the SMNI,
13:01 I will be waiting for your updates.
13:04 Goodbye.
13:05 Goodbye.
13:06 Goodbye.
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