LIVE Patriots Daily x Patriots Beat: Senior Bowl Day 3 Recap + Alex Van Pelt Hired as OC

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00:00 Back with another episode of a Pats beat Pats daily collab three in a row on the third day of the Senior Bowl with

00:07 Three best buds. There we go. Three threes

00:10 So before we get into the last day of Senior Bowl practices, obviously the game is on Saturday

00:16 But this was the last day of practices one thing we haven't gotten to talk about yet

00:20 It's Jeremy Springer former Rams assistant special teams coach is now the Patriots special teams coach

00:26 I haven't seen the title as coordinator which what they usually go with even last year was Joe judge and cam a cord were co

00:32 Special teams coordinators, but he's a special teams coach

00:35 We don't know what's gonna happen with Joe judge or came a cord whether one or both of them might stay on the staff in

00:40 Some capacity probably means the end of their ten years, but guys, what do you think about the hire?

00:45 Yeah, I it's an interesting hire

00:48 I know a lot of people will point to the Rams lack of success on special teams last year

00:52 I think there were 32nd in DBO a

00:54 31st in

00:56 PFF what I would say to that is special teams more than any other unit

01:00 It's easy to kind of jump to the top or I shouldn't say easy to jump to the bottom

01:04 But there's a lot more variance there

01:07 It's it's a lot more common to see somebody go from you know

01:11 Ranked in the 30s to ranked in the single digits or vice versa

01:14 You can have massive swings and the Rams were working with a group that I mean they 20-something UPF a's last year

01:19 It was a lot of just rookies and guys without experience

01:22 So look that all being said hiring a guy off the worst special teams unit in the league

01:26 It's definitely if you want to question that decision. It's definitely a fair decision to question

01:31 I I don't think hiring him alone means that they'll automatically be 32nd again. It wasn't even his unit but

01:38 You you you have no option but to look at the group he came from and it wasn't a great group

01:44 Yeah, I mean reading a little bit about him getting into him a little bit more

01:48 You the big things seem to be like energy right like there was that article going around from during his time at the University of

01:54 Arizona where he was talking the two biggest things to him are energy and passion

01:59 So it seems like from a personality standpoint kind of on that same level as Gerard Maya, right?

02:04 Those are two words we hear with him a lot and he's another one of these younger guys. I think he's 35 next month

02:09 So still getting to this younger staff. He comes from the McVeigh culture, which they seem to be interested in

02:15 So it's an intriguing hire, but now let's see how it translate onto the field and because you know

02:21 You need a better performance and what you've got here recently and you can't be

02:25 30-second and DV away like the Rams were last year. So we'll kind of wait and see there

02:31 And I know that Jordan Roderick of the Athletic obviously does a phenomenal job covering the Rams for them

02:36 She pointed out during last offseason when chase Blackburn former Giants linebacker

02:42 You remember him as the guy who got the interception against Gronk down the seam in the Super Bowl

02:46 he was hired as the main special teams coach and

02:49 Exactly, and they she was saying that the Rams were excited to get him back in the fold

02:54 They saw him as an up-and-coming coach and that they really did like him there

02:58 So he hasn't gotten a lead a unit in the NFL yet. We haven't seen that

03:02 So I'm interesting to see what he can do when he's the guy in charge because again

03:05 He's just an assistant special teams coach wasn't the main guy

03:08 but yeah, this is like a lot of things with the Patriots this offseason we're gonna have to wait and see because as much as

03:13 We want to jump to conclusions and as much as you know, that's a big part of football culture these days

03:18 We really don't know until we know

03:20 Moving on to the Senior Bowl day three any overarching thoughts guys last day of practice

03:25 Yeah, I it definitely felt a little looser as guys start to wrap it up

03:31 But I think that the big lesson this week was at least at the top of the draft the positions

03:36 We thought we're gonna be strong or strong now quarterback

03:39 Maybe didn't quarterbacks didn't have the best week

03:41 But the top three guys weren't there and that position is all as always is kind of its own thing

03:45 But I think get a really good week from the wide receivers. I think get a really good week

03:49 It's rare you come away and say both the offensive and defensive linemen were really good

03:54 But it does kind of feel true and I think you know another

03:57 Sneaky need for the Patriots and this is more of a day three need but that doesn't make it not a neatest corner

04:02 And I think you maybe saw a guy or two that could potentially

04:05 Be a lock there

04:08 Yep, kind of felt like a early day of Pat's camp today

04:13 right Lorcan a lot of that low red zone in the red area and

04:17 Yeah

04:18 The intensity seemed a little dialed back today as you know

04:21 You had guys sitting out and a couple guys went down with injuries today, too

04:25 Which was was tough to see but uh, yeah as they put the final touches on for this game Saturday here

04:31 I love how they ended it with the big men catching some touchdowns also was shocked

04:36 I was like cutting them up and trying to take out all the guys who dropped cuz I'm not trying to make anybody look

04:40 Bad, I think it was only like three guys

04:42 Drop passes. It was it was really impressive

04:45 We got some I mean just goes to show how freaky athletic defensive linemen are getting these days

04:50 Oh, but yeah, definitely more of a laid-back practice today. So I guess in terms of positions, let's go with quarterbacks first

04:58 You know again wasn't a crazy day. I didn't think anybody swung one way or the other too drastically

05:03 I guess the guy who stood out most to me was Spencer rattler had two

05:06 Gorgeous back shoulder throws to Jamari thrash one. He caught the other one

05:12 Unfortunately slipped through his hands and bounced off his face mask

05:14 But I thought rattler would solid and team drills didn't make any glaring mistakes. I really I think the entire weekend, you know, he was

05:21 So so the first day yesterday. I thought he was good and today I thought he stacked together another pretty good practice

05:28 Yeah, I he's definitely been impressive again. I think we talked about this yesterday

05:32 I think the things that he does well are gonna translate to this setting whereas

05:37 The issues you have with him aren't necessarily gonna be exposed in something like this. It's it's size and it's off the field issues

05:44 So he was good today. He probably had the best week pound for pound of any of the quarterbacks

05:48 I thought Michael Penix had a nice day

05:50 Made that one really nice throw rolling to his left hitting Luke McCaffrey in the back of the end zone was a nice catch -

05:56 Just a really good connection

05:58 that's by the time you get to day three you see these guys maybe start to develop a little bit of chemistry, but

06:02 Yeah, I thought rattler was fine this week. I definitely better than I expected. I think though

06:07 By compete looked better than he may have been just by comparison because you had a lot of other quarterbacks really struggle

06:14 Yeah, I thought he put a good good week together, right?

06:18 The big thing we said with him coming in was his decision-making and he had that interception on day one

06:23 Which wasn't great, but the rest of the week I thought was pretty clean

06:27 Penix had that nice, you know connection with it was McCaffrey. I think in the back of the end zone

06:33 Rolling around so he had some nice throws

06:35 Bo Nix was all right again. I thought just like he had a few nice ones in the low red area there

06:42 So he was still just just kind of up and down but

06:51 Yeah, I think like fine is the word to describe all the quarterbacks just kind of throughout the week. Nothing nothing too special and

06:57 You know just fine. Well, the one guy we got some variants on was Joe Milton who?

07:02 Yesterday we we talked about it

07:05 He hit that slant and it's the tight window and it's like hey his arm strength is gonna allow

07:09 Some of these windows to be available to him that aren't available to other quarterbacks

07:12 I think some people hear that and get all excited and today you saw the flip side of it because he tried that again and

07:18 He threw it right to Jackson sermon the line even see him

07:21 Who didn't even see him right which by the sermon had a good week sermon

07:25 It was around the ball a ton and you know, six seventh round guy

07:28 But you want to kind of bring in somebody who can give you some depth play some special teams

07:33 I like sermon, but yeah, you saw the flip side of Joe Milton where yes more windows are gonna be available to him than not

07:39 But he takes that sometimes the green light to test any window even I mean that was a wall more than a window

07:45 That he tested and just again threw it right to sermon from point-blank and that's the kite

07:50 He had avoided that kind of play all week, but that's the kind of play when you look at his tape

07:55 there's a few and they're not all intercepted, but there's a few too many of those where he just

08:00 You see what he's trying to do, but he shouldn't be trying to do it

08:03 It's not even like oh, I wonder what he saw and you know, maybe he thought no

08:07 It's like no

08:08 He just thought he could fire the ball in there and he couldn't and that's why he's a day three pick

08:13 And you don't want to fall into the trap of like drafting the person instead of the athlete like there has to be you know

08:18 Mostly the athlete and then complimentary if they're you know, have a good personality

08:22 I did think it stood out like any time they showed Milton talking to teammates listening to coaches

08:28 I thought it stood out just how attentive he was as a listener and also how well it communicated

08:32 There was one and he was actually on the interception

08:35 He went over it

08:36 Communicated to a couple receivers who I don't think understood the play call or something like that

08:39 So in terms of like just people obviously, you know, Michael Pennix jr. Everybody knows he's a fantastic leader

08:46 But I really thought Joe Milton is someone I didn't know a ton about before this process

08:49 I thought he really stood out in that way and Sam Hartman Notre Dame

08:52 I thought it was funny that he had an almost identical team period to yesterday a bunch of short quick and completions a

08:59 Scramble for positive yardage and then just two ugly downfield throws where he really wasn't even close

09:04 Like we know he's not you know

09:06 One of the premier names or anything like that probably not gonna go till day three

09:09 But I just thought it was funny that it was almost the exact same type of performance in the low red zone

09:14 We're gonna move on get to some offensive tackle some wide receiver some other positions as well

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09:59 All right, so let's move on to the wide receivers this was a day where some guys sat out obviously Roman Wilson didn't play today

10:06 Ricky Pearsall our boy handled business. He said yeah, I had a good couple days

10:11 I'm gonna sit out wait till the actual game not get myself hurt. That was pretty smart

10:15 But unfortunately Jacob Cowling later in the day. I believe he did suffer an injury had trouble walking

10:20 They had to bring the card out obviously hope he's alright. Um, but what did you guys think about today?

10:25 I thought that I'll add macaque. He just

10:28 Continued to show why he was the maybe the best guy

10:30 In the class in terms of the people that were at the senior bowl those red zone reps

10:35 I posted a compilation on Twitter where just all four reps dude could not be covered guys could barely get their hands on him

10:42 I think there was after the third rep. I just started to laugh. It's not like this is just not there

10:46 It's not even necessarily bad coverage

10:48 He's just so good at setting guys up and just having them kind of no idea where he's going

10:53 So I thought he was probably the biggest winner

10:56 Almost took Mac grow out to there

10:58 Front row seat and he was talking to a Georgia Scout to or Georgia staffer or something

11:04 It looked like - but I mean, yeah, those drills are made for lad McConkie, right? Just that quickness that stop start ability

11:10 He's awesome. I don't I could see him working his way into the top 40 here

11:15 During come April. So he was awesome. You mentioned

11:18 Taylor Jamari thrash I thought you know, he had a good good first two days

11:23 But today he kind of put it all together. He had those, you know back shoulder fades in the end zone. So

11:29 Those were impressive and another injury. I saw Xavier Leggett went down today. Someone said he was dealing with some

11:36 Some ankle soreness throughout the week and he tried to test it early and he did and he did come back on the sideline

11:42 And like street clothes

11:44 So maybe not as serious as like Jacob Cowens looked but just something else to monitor as we kind of go through this process here

11:51 Yeah, I thought McConkie had a very good day. I thought Jamari thrash finally like you said

11:56 What do you just said?

11:58 He had like a good first couple days

11:59 But today was really the day that I thought he broke through and showed you what he's capable of. Yeah that one

12:04 Contested catch in the front corner of the end zone

12:07 I don't remember who threw it but and then speaking of contested catch and Brendan Rice had a great contested catch or camp art and

12:13 Then he moves well for a guy that's 6-3

12:16 He did some other stuff on the goal line in terms of some in and out routes

12:20 Some double move routes that I you don't usually see from a guy that size

12:23 So I I'm gonna be really interesting what he tests how he tested the combine would hit

12:29 I haven't seen the tracking date on him in terms of miles per hour

12:32 But seeing what he runs at the combine is gonna be interesting because I feel like he's one of those he doesn't look

12:37 Like just watching him run. He doesn't look fast, but I see how

12:42 He's moving compared to other players like he's definitely moving faster than I think he is

12:46 I don't know what's because he's big or he has long legs or whatever

12:49 But definitely showed some good shifting this today and another guy that kind of like thrash where he was pretty good the first two days

12:55 like I

12:56 He didn't stand out either of the days, but he wasn't bad. He was just kind of there taking care of business

13:01 I thought today he had the standout day

13:02 I thought today he had the day where he put his stamp on it and

13:05 You know was one of the best players on the field. It happened to be his dad was there today

13:09 Correlation causation. I don't know but

13:12 He was like hey, I got a show out for pops and he did big stage

13:18 Honestly, especially I was thinking about this the pats when you look at what their needs are

13:23 Like obviously we don't have an offense coordinator

13:25 So you don't know what their type might be at receiver, but we know they have pop

13:28 He's gonna be someone that they want to continue to develop going forward

13:31 Obviously you get somebody like a Ricky or like a lad

13:34 McConkie who's probably like a situational X or if you really like to match up right come on an island and let them go to

13:40 Work, they're probably more of a Z where I keep thinking if you get some of these guys in like a stack or a bunch

13:46 With pop whoo, that's gonna be nasty where you can't really get your hands on either guy

13:50 And they can just go to work with all that space, but they really need an ex

13:54 They do not have one on the roster the closest thing they had after Devante Parker who?

13:57 Only because of I performed last season

14:00 I'm just thinking he's probably not gonna be on the team

14:02 Especially when you consider the effort if you're trying to reset the culture

14:05 I think he's probably somebody that you need to get rid of

14:07 But they don't have anybody else case on booty probably isn't gonna be in the NFL or you know his situation

14:13 I'm not gonna make a joke about it very unfortunate

14:15 But he is like a true ex like know his dad even mentioned and you'll see it in the scouting reports that he does struggle

14:22 When it comes to getting off press at the line of scrimmage

14:25 That's something he can work on and you saw at times this week where guys were able to get into his body early

14:29 But at the same time that's something you can't improve and the physicality another thing is dad pointed out

14:34 Well, you see it in routes like he's not a dude who's gonna get bullied and also like you said the high point catch with

14:39 The guy draped all over him also early on in the low red zone periods he had he went on a slant

14:46 I think it was and then he won on a rip with route after that where you saw the hips sink

14:51 Which you don't really see from guys that tall. It's got some quickness and suddenness

14:55 So if we're talking, you know scheme fits and what the Patriots might need

14:59 I think he'd be a really fun guy for them to get and kind of be that ISO threat

15:03 Also somebody who can move inside and be kind of a big slot receiver

15:06 I'm trying to think is there anybody else that really stood out to you?

15:09 I mean just just on rice. Sorry. I'm just like, all right, do you guys have a comp for him?

15:14 Like I'm gonna come up with some I was just gonna say Daniel Jeremiah

15:17 Compton today on the broadcast to Michael Pittman who was you know

15:22 This guy we're talking a lot about

15:23 Who might hit free agency that the Patriots could kind of throw a bag at one of these bigger ex guys

15:28 But he can still move a little bit. So that was that was his comp. I found that one interesting. Yeah, that's not bad

15:34 That's a pretty good one. Yeah. Yeah, and then one other guy

15:38 I think we have to bring up also Tez Walker

15:40 Just I don't know what it was. He's been in his head for the past three days if he wasn't facing contact

15:47 He was fine

15:47 If guys got their hands on him or he felt somebody like in his hip or something like that

15:51 He kept dropping makeable catches and you see their smoothness and all that but even when it comes to shedding that contact

15:58 He doesn't have very active hands like even see golly Jamari thrash. She was a skinnier guy

16:02 He's smaller

16:03 But he does a good job of making sure that he's not just letting you get into his body easily and with Walker

16:08 I don't know what it is

16:09 But I wonder how much it's gonna affect his stock because this is the biggest stage

16:13 He's gonna be on until he's drafted and to some degree like what Jeremiah was Daniel

16:18 Jeremiah was talking about the other day where the successful young receivers are all tough like they're very mentally tough and

16:24 That's a common thread with him

16:26 I don't know how scouts are gonna feel about the fact that it wasn't one day wasn't two days

16:31 It was three days in a row where it seemed like he was psyching himself out and not playing his best football

16:36 I'm curious what you guys thought

16:38 Brian you want him?

16:42 Yeah, I think he nailed all of it there was

16:46 You saw some of the skills translate from UNC right like the body control

16:52 Sometimes down the field like he had one today. I think in the back corner the ends on which was nice

16:57 but

16:58 Yeah, and just once anyone anytime got up and bumped him at the line

17:03 They were physical with him at the top of the route

17:05 It was just like he kind of crumbled and then even if the ball was coming his way

17:09 He just wouldn't finish the drill and that's from a guy who's gonna be, you know, he's six two six three

17:15 He's gonna be your ex. He's gonna be your physical downfield threat. That's probably just not what you want to see

17:21 So he only played seven eight games. I think at UNC this year after that transfer eligibility

17:27 So this probably was a big week for him

17:29 A lot of people said, you know a good week could bump him maybe into the back end of the first round

17:33 So after three iffy days a lot of it was mental looking like probably not great for his stock there

17:40 Yeah, I'd agree

17:43 Look it. Nope. You weren't gonna have a situation where everybody came in and had a great week

17:47 It just doesn't happen and and I just think he

17:49 The the physicality for a guy that you're expecting to be a physical receiver

17:56 Sometimes doesn't translate into these practices because you know, they want and we heard it a lot from the coaches take care of your teammates

18:02 We don't want guys hitting the ground

18:03 But at a certain point you got to play your game and I don't know what it was that it didn't translate

18:08 But that physical edge you wanted to see from him wasn't there

18:11 Do we have breaking news breaking news? The Patriots are hiring Alex van Pelt as their offensive coordinator?

18:16 What that came out of absolutely nowhere former NFL quarterback and longtime respected assistant

18:22 Van Pelt spent the past four seasons as the Browns OC now, he fills a big spot on Gerard Mayo staff in New England

18:28 What?

18:32 Wow, are we sure? Yeah, Tom Pellissero. Yeah, that's official

18:39 That is I don't wait did he delete it because I tried to quote tweet and I I see it it's up

18:48 Tom Pellissero

18:51 Whoa, okay that literally came out of nowhere

18:54 Yeah, that's really him

18:58 Yeah, let me pull up a little bit of background on it I feel like that's a name I've seen floated a couple of times

19:06 I'll go through his career right now

19:08 So it looks like he was with the Packers from 2012 to 2017

19:16 He was the running backs coach from 2012 to 2013 then move on to quarterbacks coach 2014 to 2017

19:22 Was the Bengals quarterbacks coach from 2018 to 2019 before Dan pitcher?

19:26 And then he was the offensive coordinator and quarterbacks coach for the Browns

19:30 So you get a guy who's got offense coordinator and quarterbacks coach experience, which I do think they need if they're gonna bring in a young

19:36 guy

19:37 Interesting because you saw obviously Joe Flacco. You don't know how much a quarterbacks coach has to do with that

19:41 But he had a little emergence there. Um, that's fascinating

19:45 I just had this weird brain fart for whatever reason probably because they played for the Bills at the same time

19:49 I I can few part of reason I was so confused. I confused Alex van Pelt with Ken Dorsey

19:55 Yeah

19:58 I thought they just hired Ken Dorsey

20:01 This is fun

20:04 He got

20:05 Someone with experience right? He's 53. He's been around. Yeah

20:09 27 years in the NFL so

20:13 To pair with Mayo and he was he was a former quarterback, right? He said that yeah, he was a lot. Yeah

20:20 He was the bill back when it was coach starting quarterback. I think for a while

20:25 95 to 2003 Buffalo Bills quarterback. Yeah

20:28 That's when he played for them because it was him

20:31 It was him Ken Dorsey and a couple other guys. I think like rotated. I know he was their backup one year

20:37 he was their primary starter, but

20:40 And he is he hasn't worked with on Rob Johnson was the other one in there

20:46 It's really funny. He's someone who he missed Matt Leflore and he missed Zach Taylor

20:51 So he doesn't have ties to that like that coaching tree. That's kind of funny

20:57 Actually, what think that they would go that way, but I guess not I'm blanking what trees to fancy from

21:03 He's oh

21:07 He's um, no he was in Minnesota forever he's what's his name? Yeah

21:12 Who's the coach in 2019?

21:15 All right, so he was in Minnesota under Brad Childress Leslie Frazier and Mike Zimmer

21:21 Hmm a couple great offensive minds

21:33 All right, so anybody have any

21:35 Pressing thoughts any notes. This is this is wild. I did this a lot to process at least it was like Haley

21:42 We'd have something to say no. I wish it was someone they at least interviewed. So we had like some some

21:46 In-depth background knowledge on this guy here. But I mean, yeah, I think that the big things were again

21:52 Experienced play caller has been around a while and he was a former quarterback

21:56 so if you're bringing in a rookie a number three overall pick is something we talked with Zach about Zach Robinson about or

22:03 Want some of these other guys they interviewed who were quarterbacks?

22:07 They played the position they know the ins and out and they're gonna be in the building to help a young guy to come in

22:14 and kind of fill their shoes, so I

22:16 Don't know it's out of nowhere, but interesting

22:22 So yeah Patriots get an experience play caller he's been calling place for four years, that's not nothing

22:28 He's been a quarterbacks coach for a very long time has experience as a player. So

22:32 That's makes him that is makes him now to DeMarcus DeMarcus Covington. Wait, did he play in college?

22:39 He played like FCS

22:42 Okay. Well, those are now three coordinators with playing experience the

22:46 Four years he was at Green Bay. He overlapped with Luke Etsy, I believe 2014 and 2017 so that could be someone else

22:54 That potentially that's someone who's interviewed. So maybe that's someone they look to kind of add to the staff here

23:00 maybe like a quarterback coach or

23:03 Passing game coordinator or whatever role they want to cook up. That could be something to watch - I'll say this

23:10 And I'm not opposed to the idea of adding a quarterbacks coach or passing coordinator or something like that

23:15 but you figure

23:17 It's so interesting because not only did they not talk to him at least not publicly of all the people they talked to

23:24 He doesn't it was younger guys without OC experience Shanahan McVeigh tree or Detroit

23:31 Right or some sort of West Coast something. He's an older

23:35 Experienced and they didn't talk to a lot of guys with the quarterback background. It was a lot of tight ends coaches

23:40 This is an older

23:43 experienced coordinator

23:45 quarterback guy

23:47 So I have you have to recalibrate the whole thing. That doesn't mean it's good or bad by the way

23:52 It's just why it's so tough to react to the one thing I'll say is okay, so they have a quarterbacks guy

23:57 Maybe you bring in a pass game coordinator quarterbacks coach, whatever

24:01 But you figure if you hire somebody like Alex van Pelt you're hiring him for a quarterback in May

24:06 That's not to say they're gonna draft a quarterback. Maybe the quarterback they're hiring him for his Mac Jones

24:10 Maybe it's Jacoby Breset like it could be anybody. Maybe it's Jane Daniels. Maybe it's Joe Milton. I don't know

24:15 But although I think Alex van Pelt if I have the timeline right Tampa Bay 10-11 was he there with Josh Freeman?

24:22 I'm Joe Milton. Yeah, okay, but that's

24:25 Ignore that the point being I actually think the most important staffing hire now is offensive line coach. Yes

24:32 Callahan with them from Cleveland. That is what I was about to say

24:39 I'm looking at their staff right now. Can you get Bill Callahan here?

24:43 Let's see, which I I doubt it but it's worth a shot, right?

24:50 Well, there's been some questions about who Scott Peters is their assistant offensive line coach

24:55 Just a name to keep in mind if he wants a promotion or something like that. Why does that sound?

24:59 Yeah, that's not Peters. Let's see played seven seasons in the NFL from 2002 to

25:03 2009 after being drafted by the Eagles

25:08 during his first season with the Browns he helped the club finish third in the league in rushing and

25:12 He helped Jack Conklin and first-team all-pro and Joel Batonio and Wyatt Teller and second-team all-pro

25:19 Oh, this is interesting started cut you out. Oh shit

25:22 Peters Peters is a big guy. He uses jujitsu in

25:27 His training son and we know that's something kind of the martial arts elements the offensive line

25:34 With Joe Kim right then something now that was under bill

25:37 So but if Gerard Mayo kind of subscribes to that that belief, but yeah, that was my first thought was

25:43 Can we get Bill Callahan here and looking at the rest of the the coaching staff by the way another guy shadow show?

25:47 Well a shadow she would be interesting. I didn't they just hired this guy. He's like they hired him last month do Staley

25:54 I was just a big do stay

25:56 So he's he's part of okay. So Ken Dorsey replaced Alex van Pelt as offensive coordinator because I can't tell the two apart

26:03 It's I guarantee you I'm gonna write Ken Dorsey at some point

26:06 but yeah it uh

26:09 Offensive line also means now the big one also Kelly Brownson Bronson. I'm not trying to pronounce it

26:16 Is there assistant wide receivers coach?

26:18 So really you kind of want to look at the assistant coaches on the staff to see who he might be poaching

26:22 So those were a couple names like out for Browns got some pretty good success with their wide receiver position

26:27 I wonder if they bring in because Nick Haley, I don't even know if he's gotten any interest elsewhere

26:32 You think maybe they bring him back as like a run game coordinator or something like that? I don't think so

26:35 No, no one of two things happened because he was the finalist, right?

26:39 Either he told them no or they told him no

26:43 Somebody told somebody no and I can't imagine that that it's gonna go over super well. So I and

26:49 If you were gonna run that offense like he you'd think he'd be I I don't see I think Haley's off the table now

26:57 Fair do we have any other thoughts of that or do we just want to wrap up offensive?

27:00 The offensive positions for the senior bowl because I'm sure we all have a little bit of writing to do

27:05 Yeah, we can yeah, let's run through senior bowl real quick here and then all right

27:11 Yep, so we'll get to offense tackles real quick really quick and wrap it up

27:15 Um, so think of some guys that stood out to me. Um, my guy from Georgia State

27:22 Trap my guy this Travis Glover. Thank you. I

27:26 Still look good. He got a little tussle at one point. Um, and then a coach tried it, you know, calm him down

27:31 He was like, yeah, I ain't back it down. I know kind of like that toughness out of him

27:35 I thought he really stood out especially like came a day late because he filled in for an injury

27:40 Never really had a breath where I was like, ooh, that was ugly. I thought he really held his own

27:45 He impressed me Patrick Paul had a dominant rep in one on one's where he put somebody on the ground

27:51 The next one is hands were a little high and he lost but you've seen the flashes from him. It's been inconsistent

27:55 He used that hug technique

27:57 Where you kind of expose your chest and you try to get guys around and hope you can anchor

28:01 It's kind of work for him kind of hasn't it's been hit or miss but you know

28:04 I really do think he stood out and then a couple other guys

28:08 Javon Foster from Missouri had a few losses, but he continued to impress

28:13 I thought overall and Delmar glaze out of Maryland had a really good day as well. What did you guys think?

28:19 Yeah, I mean you hit two of mine I was gonna say Travis Glover

28:22 I thought he was impressive today kind of plays with that mean streak as you saw extend after one of the reps but

28:28 And Delmar glaze to from Maryland. I think he's got over a thousand collegiate snaps at both left tackle and right tackle

28:36 So a lot of experience he's versatile. He played a little guard. I think throughout the week to as well

28:41 your bowl, so

28:43 Just you know another one of those late round names because we'd like a double dip probably at the position if you can get one

28:50 Early and one late

28:51 So I thought those two guys ended the end of the practice week strong and could work their way

28:55 And then maybe that double dip range in the end day three

28:58 Yeah, I was particularly impressed by Glover and sometimes for guys like that. It's six six three seventy three seventy three thirty seven

29:06 I think it 35 inch arms, right and he's got that great motor

29:12 Sometimes guys like that you just put you just need to put enough on tape

29:15 That a team looks Ian says look at the makeup. Look at the uncoachables, right?

29:19 Let's just get this guy into building and see we can do I also love

29:22 57 games of starting experience over 20 games at both left tackle and right tackle and he's played some guard

29:28 This to me screams like because I don't he's an older guy

29:33 There's a jump in competition level and I think he mostly is just power

29:37 I think he's just that big overpowering frame, but you get that guy in six seventh round

29:42 He's gonna be able to play four sports four spots for you on the offensive line

29:46 He comes in with an NFL ready body all of that like swing tackle Adrian Waddle kind of guy, right?

29:51 where you just bring him in and he gives you depth and

29:53 He's just a good guy to have you hope you don't need him

29:56 But he's a good guy to have just in case they've been missing that guy really since they lost latrine Waddle

30:01 So could Glover be a guy like that, you know, I mean there's there's a couple guys like that in every draft

30:07 that's not to say like they have to get him to fill that role, but

30:09 Definitely wasn't on my radar

30:12 I don't think was on a lot of radars before this week and he went to the hula ball game got a late

30:16 Late invitation of the Senior Bowl and he's he's putting himself on the radar, which is what you want to see

30:21 Yeah, I'm excited to ask you who he was because I saw the name when I was like wait this guy

30:25 I don't know the senior bowl roster like what is going on right now?

30:28 You sent me the picture so I had to go off the helmet

30:30 I knew was Georgia State and then it said Glover on the back

30:33 So I searched it because he wasn't on the rosters or anything. They do that

30:36 sometimes they'll call a guy, you know guys locked out to the injury or this or that or whatever and

30:40 Hula ball guys

30:43 sometimes you'll see guys go from the Shrine Bowl to the Senior Bowl like they look at who

30:46 Stands out at those lower bowls and sometimes you get a couple guys that are called up. There's a guy

30:50 What that happened to one of the Patriots?

30:53 I don't remember who it was but a guy the Patriots drafted recently. I got Martin up who was a Martin Mopu

30:58 Oh, I think it might have been yeah

31:00 It was like, oh, maybe not hula ball, but I know he was a really late addition

31:05 Okay, it was him or I want to say was Sam Roberts, but I don't think Sam Roberts was at the Senior Bowl

31:09 I'm not sure he had a massive week at the hula ball. Oh, I think he was hula ball the Shrine Bowl

31:14 Okay, something anyway, it happens from time to time

31:17 so, you know

31:19 you're happy for a guy like Glover cuz

31:21 again 57 starts as a guy that's put a lot into it and now people are kind of seeing the

31:24 The results of the work he's put in and he's nasty

31:28 I saw some clips on Twitter of him just like finishing and he's he's really fun to watch mean

31:32 I don't he might be a nice guy, but he between the whistles

31:35 He is a mean SOB and that that's what you want on the offensive line

31:39 Hopefully new offense coordinator Alex van Pelt can get a good offensive line coach in here

31:45 so you can wait till the fourth or fifth round and get some of these guys who are projects with great physical tools and

31:50 Actually turn them into some quality starters. I see some comments

31:53 In the comment section. We have addressed the Alex van Pelt side

31:58 I actually add one thing to the Alex van Pelt conversation. Yeah, I'm kind of doing some digging

32:02 He was in Green Bay. I believe let me double-check this. I think he was in Green Bay with Elliot Wolfe. Yeah

32:09 I was just about to tweet that because I was I found that when they were interviewing get see that was when Wolfe was there

32:16 And Wolfe has obviously been involved in these kind of interviews. So that was a third person in Green Bay there

32:22 I wonder if this was an Elliot Wolf hire and I think it's two things

32:26 It's Elliot Wolfe and I think look the Browns made that the playoffs going through four quarterbacks

32:30 And that's not to say that the quarterbacks were the one carrying them to the playoffs, you know, Joe Flacco was fine

32:35 They obviously had a great defense

32:37 but the quarterbacks also didn't blow it which I think is kind of still gonna be the Patriots model that

32:43 you're not necessarily gonna have like the San Francisco 49ers model right the Brock Purdy model and

32:48 Van Pelt was able to get that kind of quarterback play out of that group out of Joe Flacco off the couch

32:56 Out of DTR who is the who who was the other one who started for them?

33:00 Obviously Watson and then

33:04 Do you already say it was PJ Walker?

33:08 Yes. Yes. I feel like a game. Yeah, and they switch. He got whatever was and ten wins out of those guys like

33:15 This isn't like Luke Getzey where he was on the staff at the same time as Rogers and kind of probably just rode the coattails

33:23 I'm Daniel Hackett like this guy was actually in Green Bay for a while with Aaron Rodgers

33:28 So that's a lot of very valuable experience that he's got there. So

33:31 Again was did coach running backs from 2012 to 2013, but then switched to quarterbacks in 2014 2017 also interesting

33:39 He's got a little bit of a outside experience there

33:41 Not just quarterbacks, but the vast majority of his coaching resume and playing resume obviously is at the quarterback position

33:47 Anything you guys want to throw in before we get out of here?

33:51 I so are they a West Coast team now, I guess I think so, right? I gotta watch some tape. I

33:59 Again the Browns quarterbacks last year. I'll run through it and I don't know

34:05 Maybe this is me just trying to come to terms with it, but they actually started five quarterbacks not for I missed one

34:09 Joe Flacco, Deshaun Watson DTR PJ Walker Jeff Driscoll snuck a start in there. Okay, we're two touchdowns

34:16 He also threw two pegs, but he turns you touchdowns. Those are their five quarterbacks

34:21 Watson for six games Flacco for five DTR for three PJ Walker for two Jeff Driscoll for one

34:26 They were tenth in the league in scoring

34:29 They got to go get their version of Amari Cooper

34:35 troubles hurt

34:38 The whole season they got on the offensive line -

34:46 They were in and they had a lot of injuries they were in and out all up front so Scott Peters

34:51 So it's a line cuz I'd say this

34:53 tight end driven offense

34:56 They got the resurgence of David and Joku. He looked like he was gonna be a bust and the last couple years

35:03 He was pretty good

35:04 They got to get their version of Amari Cooper. I think they got to go out and get a guy like that

35:08 You're gonna need support pieces around the quarterback and this is nothing new but I think this kind of I don't know

35:15 I've seen some people sort of tweeting this out

35:18 I'm not saying it means

35:20 Okay, so the Patriots interviewed van Pelt today. So this kind of came together

35:24 Quickly must have been impressive again. Somebody said no to someone at some point. I truly believe that

35:33 What was I saying I

35:37 Let me ask you guys before I give this take

35:39 Not saying this is the ultimate determining factor in this but

35:45 now Alex in Pelt zero C

35:47 Mac Jones more likely to be back

35:50 Does this news make you feel like it's more likely he's back or less likely he's back cuz I'm kind of leaning more

35:54 Really? I don't really know how much it changes things

35:59 I think that I stand by the fact that this is such a high pick slight. I really don't know because

36:05 They like they brought in a quarterback fixer

36:08 Yeah, I mean I don't believe you can fix it

36:12 You can fix a quarterback with a way higher floor. That's how you're sealing. I still I still think they're gonna take a quarterback

36:19 let me say that but if I was like

36:21 10% Mac Jones is gonna be back when we started this show 20

36:26 I was gonna say like 12 or 13

36:29 You got to get the magnifying glass to really see the needle move

36:33 But the needle did move a little bit in that direction for me

36:36 I'm curious how you guys cuz that's it's gonna be a part of this conversation. It's gonna be a question Taylor

36:42 It sounds like you think it makes it less likely. He's back. If anything, I mean, honestly, I'm kind of just not moved

36:46 I think you're in the same spot you were in where you have a top three pick

36:49 You're hoping you never get a top three pick again. You might as well shoot. So I guess quarterback is much more dynamic

36:54 Let me rephrase the question because this is half Patriots beats. We're gonna use my Patriots beat philosophy

36:59 Nobody cares what we would do, right? We're not the one making the decision

37:03 It's our job to say what we think they will do reading the tea leaves

37:07 What do you think this move tells you about the conversations inside the building regarding Mac Jones?

37:12 Well, they could go get their juiced up a Mari Cooper and Marvin Harrison jr. And then have their Joe Flacco

37:17 Baker Mayfield and Mac Jones, right? Yeah. I mean at the same time I

37:24 Think the biggest determining factor and that is how Mac is seen on a personal level in the building

37:30 Like yeah, you can fix the skill set

37:32 We already know that Mac is somebody that like you can win games with be surrounded by talent and they have the draft capital to do

37:37 That of course, but at the same time there have been reports that indicate that you know

37:41 Maybe he rubbed people the wrong way a little bit with the you know, the bravado and the overconfidence

37:46 It wasn't really justified and we know that the quarterback room wasn't the healthiest spot also Jacoby percent

37:51 I think it increases the likelihood that maybe he comes back as he enters the Browns with van Pelt

37:56 So there's a little something there. Maybe he can massage the quarterback room a little bit and kind of bring back some good vibes

38:02 I don't know but with Mac Jones if we're talking about whether it increases or decreases the chances for me

38:07 The determining factor is something that we do not know for sure. But what we do know based on reports is that you know, maybe

38:13 Personally, he did sour some people but Gerard Mayo did make it clear that you know

38:20 He's not fully off the table and that maybe they will still want to work with him

38:23 So it's an interesting conversation for sure

38:25 But I I just don't know on a personal level whether or not people are still bought into the Mac Jones experience. I

38:31 Just think it's gonna be part of the conversation certainly not the whole conversation again

38:36 I still think they should take a quarterback. But yeah

38:39 Yeah, I'm with you. I'm still taking a quarterback. But I will say Mike Reese tweeted like three minutes ago just

38:47 Source from either most recent he said most recently with the Browns Alex van Pelt or one source says great football mind

38:54 Very relatable to players as a former player

38:57 So, you know another one of these former player guys who comes in and he says his system has been based in West Coast

39:04 but multiple influences so

39:06 Yeah, that's only kind of similar West Coast system

39:09 But as versatility to those background great person who can establish a positive offensive culture

39:14 Also a big thing with the Browns identity of very diverse run scheme

39:17 So that maybe affects how they see the offensive line

39:20 I still am NOT of the mindset that you get rid of Mike and what do because you want to like run outside zone

39:25 I think with Mike and when you can still run wide zone and be fine and plus with the Browns they catered their run scheme

39:31 To the running back so Nick Chubb it was a whole lot of like actual outside zone

39:35 We're trying to get to the perimeter and use his speed and this explosiveness and then when it was Kareem Hunt

39:40 They used a ton of gap scheme

39:42 So he's not the run game coordinator

39:44 But still you have to work together in that capacity when you're building plans and things like that

39:48 So they do want to be diverse probably in the run game

39:51 Like I said, frankly, there are some overlaps with the Kyle Shanahan offense. You got the West Coast passing game

39:57 The run scheme where it's a lot of heavy personnel that you know

40:00 They use a ton of like use three tight ends on the wing with one wide receiver

40:04 They do like that kind of style. So if you're kind of looking at okay

40:08 Well, if you're trying to shift towards maybe more of a Shanahan style or McVay style where yet?

40:13 It probably leans more towards Shanahan

40:16 Even though he also uses more gap scheme over the past couple years and people have really given him credit for of a personnel wise

40:21 We know the Niners they love multiple tight ends. They love using the fullback and the Browns

40:26 They don't really have a fullback on the roster, but they use their tight ends. It's kind of hybrid fullback

40:30 So it'll be interesting to see what that looks like. But again, the versatility is there

40:34 Honestly, this seems like a great hire it came out of nowhere

40:36 But the more I'm seeing about him the more this is great

40:39 especially on a really young coaching staff where the

40:41 Offense is the unit that really needed the most fixing as opposed to the defense where you already had

40:46 Gerard Mayo DeMarcus Covington and Steve Belichick as the big leaders on that side and now you just remain retain continuity

40:53 Obviously Jeremy Springer is a younger guy in the special teams unit. But you know, like we said earlier

40:57 He's still bit of an unknown

40:59 So, let me ask you let me ask you one more here before we wrap it up

41:02 Who's a better fit for the Alex van Pelt offense Jane Daniels or Drake May? I?

41:06 Mean we saw him used to Sean Watson. So I again it's the versatility

41:11 I really I don't mean to give a cop-out answer, but I think no it's a it's a real answer

41:16 Yeah, but I mean, I think it's exciting where if you're talking about Jake, okay

41:19 So I don't think Drake May is as scheme specific. I think that he can throw outside. He can throw over the middle

41:25 He can open up your run game a little bit. Whereas Jaden Daniels, I think early in his career

41:29 You do want to lean into his rushing ability

41:31 I haven't watched a ton of Browns film

41:32 So I don't know just as how much to Sean Watson did that especially because he was dealing with injury

41:36 But he has experience with someone with that to Sean Watson skill set of yeah, he is also a running threat

41:42 So yeah

41:42 I would just say that at least you know that this is someone were regardless of who they pick

41:46 With that first with that number three pick it's somebody that he could probably build a scheme to maximize their talents. I

41:52 Agree yeah, that makes sense

41:56 All right. Well, that's gonna wrap it up

41:58 We are gonna get to writing and getting some Intel and figuring out what's going on with the Patriots offense

42:03 Guys, what do you have coming out down the pipeline? I know I got one more senior bowl position preview tomorrow

42:09 I'm gonna be looking at edge defenders and clearly gonna have quite a few things about Alex van felt coming as well

42:15 Yeah, it's gonna be reactions. I think a lot of reactions

42:18 Yeah, I'll have one more senior bowl thing tomorrow. Maybe one after the game too on Pat's pulpit. But yeah a lot of

42:25 Lot of offensive coordinator talk now going forward fun stuff

42:29 Yes, sir. All right. Well, thank you everybody. Take care of yourselves. Take care of each other

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