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Host:
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- Barrister Muhammad Ali Saif PTI
- Mustafa Nawaz Khokhar (Senior Leader)
- Syed Nasir Hussain Shah PPP
- Mumtaz Zahra Baloch (Ambassador)
Kya Peoples Party Punjab Mein PTI Votrz Ko Mutwajjah Kar Paye Gi?? Nasir Hussain Shah Ki Guftagu
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Host:
- Aniqa Nisar
Guests:
- Barrister Muhammad Ali Saif PTI
- Mustafa Nawaz Khokhar (Senior Leader)
- Syed Nasir Hussain Shah PPP
- Mumtaz Zahra Baloch (Ambassador)
Kya Peoples Party Punjab Mein PTI Votrz Ko Mutwajjah Kar Paye Gi?? Nasir Hussain Shah Ki Guftagu
Intikhabi Gehma Gehmi Uroj Par, Siyasat Dano Ki Aik Dosry Par Tanqeed
Kya Peoples Party Ne Mustafa Nawaz Khokhar Se Koi Rabita Kya Hai??
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00:00 Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf is facing a lot of difficulties and on the other hand we can see that there are a lot of facilities available.
00:20 Today, five such candidates who were basically candidates of Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf, submitted their nomination papers, their nomination papers were rejected.
00:30 After that, a lot of problems had to be solved. Their families had to face a lot of problems.
00:37 Unfortunate circumstances came up. They have now been given permission.
00:41 First of all, Pervez Ilahi sahib has been given permission to contest the elections from PP 32. Shaukat Basra sahib has been given permission to contest the elections from NA 163.
00:52 Sanam Javed has been given permission to contest the elections from NA 119 against Maryam Nawaz.
00:59 And in NA 120, she will be against Ayaz Sadiq. On the other hand, she will contest the elections from PP 150.
01:07 Not only this, Omar Aslam will contest the elections from NA 87 and Tahir Sadiq has been given permission to contest the elections from NA 49.
01:16 There are a total of 800 candidates from Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf who are participating in the elections.
01:22 And among these 800 candidates, there are a lot of candidates who had faced problems earlier.
01:28 After going to the tribunals, the nomination papers were formally accepted.
01:32 Today, there are very interesting remarks from the Supreme Court.
01:37 That being absconded does not mean that your nomination papers should be rejected.
01:42 This is the same case in which Omar Aslam, the appeal was of NA 87 and in his case, these remarks have come forward.
01:51 Let's listen to what Barrister Ali Zafar is saying.
01:56 Today, the Supreme Court of Pakistan has decided that only by being absconded, your nomination papers cannot be rejected.
02:04 It is the duty of the people to decide which candidate is right for them and which is not.
02:10 Therefore, the Election Commission of Pakistan cannot put any kind of obstacle.
02:14 On one hand, we can see that Pakistan is opening up its doors for Tariq-e-Insaf and some are closing their doors.
02:20 But we can see that the election campaign is going on with a lot of noise.
02:24 We can see that all the parties are gathering on some platform or other.
02:30 Be it on social media or on the ground.
02:34 Be it on TV or by sharing their views.
02:38 All the political parties are now actively protesting to destroy the election market.
02:45 Just like in the general elections, two months ago, this was seen.
02:52 It is true that the election season has come.
02:55 But in this election season, they are shooting each other with arrows.
02:59 And the most shooting is being done by Bilawal Goto Zardari.
03:03 He is trying to shoot two arrows with one arrow.
03:07 Earlier, the independent candidates of Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf were being gathered on their own.
03:13 But now, the workers, supporters and voters of Pakistan Muslim League Noon have also started to look at them.
03:25 Listen to this.
03:27 The workers of Noon League who have tolerated the oppression by raising the slogan of voting rights.
03:34 Their community has left their views.
03:38 This is the same old Noon League with the slogan of voting rights.
03:43 That lion is no longer the same lion.
03:45 This is the lion that sucks the blood of the people.
03:50 Come with me.
03:52 God willing, we will arrange for the hunt of this lion.
03:56 Now, for the Punjab's big market, there is PMLN vs People's Party.
04:00 Or PTI is also fitting somewhere in it.
04:03 In the elections, who will the people vote for?
04:06 This is the real question.
04:08 And the vote of the people is the power that can bring anyone to the throne of power.
04:14 That is why, Bilawal Goto Zardari has instead of making his own vote bank in Punjab,
04:18 has now started to look at the workers of Noon League and PTI and the hopefuls.
04:24 Anyway, Noon League is also on the defensive.
04:26 At this time, they started their election campaign very late.
04:30 Mansoor has not come yet.
04:32 Senator Afnaan told me in the program that Mansoor will come on 27th January.
04:38 27th January is tomorrow.
04:39 You are here, I am here.
04:40 God willing, we will see tomorrow whether Mansoor comes or not.
04:44 Anyway, Mariam Nawaz Sahiba has given an answer.
04:47 Listen to Bilawal Goto Zardari.
04:48 Only Muslim League Noon is a group that has gone to the people on the basis of its activity.
04:55 All other groups are criticizing Nawaz Sharif.
04:59 They are criticizing Nawaz Sharif in Punjab.
05:03 And if you go and see where they have come from,
05:05 then instead of children, there are cattle tied up in schools.
05:08 Animals are tied up.
05:10 So, the topic of animals being tied up has come up.
05:13 On the other hand, there is also a sign of Pakistan's movement towards justice.
05:17 For a long time, they have been saying that freedom of hope will be talked about.
05:20 If there were 172 sessions, then the Pakistan People's Party will definitely take it.
05:25 Now, whether it happens or not, that is a matter after the elections.
05:28 But, the two targets that I was talking about,
05:32 have been seen in this statement by Bilawal Goto Zardari.
05:35 Where on one hand, they are gauging how many PTI voters will be able to come to the People's Party.
05:43 On the other hand, they have also taunted the TMLN.
05:46 Listen to this.
05:47 If you make the Pakistan People's Party win,
05:50 then my first instruction will be that
05:54 all the political prisoners should be released.
05:59 And second, it will be unlawful for me to arrest the political prisoners of my opponent during my rule.
06:07 Now, if we talk about political prisoners,
06:11 then Shahbaz Sharif has made the point of personal jails in the form of sarcasm,
06:17 or straight forwardly, he made the Pakistan People's Party hear it.
06:21 Listen to that as well.
06:22 In the era of Shahbaz Sharif, from 2013 to 2018,
06:27 there were no political prisoners in Islamabad or Punjab.
06:31 This is our record, by the grace of Allah.
06:34 However, I would like to give my kind advice to my kind people.
06:38 Where they have announced that if they get a chance, there will be no political prisoners.
06:43 Along with that, they should also announce the death of the personal jails.
06:48 Some are kind, some are poor, and some are a nuisance.
06:53 At this time, who will be the first one to be killed in the elections?
06:56 Only 12 days are left to know this.
06:59 And after this, we will understand the real situation.
07:02 Which side is really in the lead?
07:06 And which party will come out in the open?
07:09 According to Nawaz Sharif, only his party will come out.
07:11 And if they were not removed,
07:13 because everyone is hitting the youth,
07:16 basically, they are watching their sad fate,
07:19 how to get their vote.
07:20 So Nawaz Sharif has also contributed to this.
07:23 Listen to this.
07:24 If we get Muslim League, then Inshallah, we will get rid of this inflation.
07:29 We will get electricity, and gas will be available at every house, Inshallah.
07:33 If the Nawaz Sharif government was not abolished,
07:36 today, there would be no unemployed youth here.
07:40 You have seen how the political process is going on at this time.
07:45 And it will continue.
07:47 We will see it for some time.
07:49 But the easiness that Pakistan has come for the movement of justice,
07:52 from the court,
07:53 will it have any impact in Punjab's politics,
07:56 and in the country's politics in general?
07:58 I will introduce the guests who are with us.
08:00 Nasir Hussain Shah is with us.
08:02 Senior leader of Pakistan People's Party.
08:04 Thank you very much, Mr. Shah, for joining us.
08:06 Professor Saif is with us.
08:09 Muhammad Ali Saif is the senior leader of Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf.
08:13 And Mustafa Nawaz Khokhar will be with us in a while.
08:16 He is a senior politician.
08:18 Thank you very much for joining us.
08:19 Mr. Shah, let's start with you.
08:21 The Pakistan People's Party has taken out all its ammunition at this time.
08:27 And it has fired arrows at everyone.
08:33 You are saying that you make PML-N a political prisoner.
08:37 You are telling the PTI's staff not to waste their votes.
08:43 You know that they don't want to come, so give the vote to the Pakistan People's Party.
08:46 Now, in this whole situation, you are being accused of something else.
08:50 And that accusation is that you will bring all the free candidates to you.
08:55 And I am not saying this.
08:56 Rana Sanawullah is saying this.
08:58 Listen to that too, and then I will come to you.
09:02 I have been informed that the PTI is also funding some people financially.
09:15 The PTI's candidates, who are thinking of joining them later.
09:18 This is what Mr. Balawal is saying with great conviction that we will unite them and make a movement.
09:23 So he has talked to some people very firmly.
09:26 Whether they win or not, this is a matter of later.
09:29 Mr. Shah, this is a matter of greater concern for the PTI's candidates.
09:40 The PTI has not started running the money as it is.
09:43 You know that something came up in the last election.
09:54 But the PTI does not run the money as it is.
09:59 It runs with love, and with charity, and it connects hands and makes everyone happy.
10:05 All these things that you have said,
10:08 see, right now, the PTI and Chairman Balawal must be visible to you in all four provinces.
10:14 Whether it is the worker conventions, big gatherings, or other activities.
10:19 Unlike other parties, they are not afraid of the cold, the weather, or security.
10:27 Or let's talk about the Noon League.
10:29 We have a lot of respect for the Noon League, for Mr. Mian and everyone else.
10:34 But they have been afraid of the elections.
10:37 Everyone knows this.
10:39 This is not just what Chairman Balawal Bhattozardari is saying.
10:42 In fact, even their own senior people say the same thing.
10:45 And the media also has this perception that they are afraid.
10:50 And no matter how strong someone thinks of themselves,
10:53 see, their base is Central Punjab.
10:56 The rest is not visible anywhere.
10:59 So, even there, when two parties are fighting each other,
11:06 or the atmosphere of the election is in two teams,
11:09 if one party can tolerate it and its morale is down, then how will it perform?
11:15 This is the situation there as well.
11:17 That is why we say, we are hopeful that the single largest party will be the People's Party.
11:23 Let me explain a few things.
11:25 The Azaad Arakeen that is being talked about,
11:29 see, the Azaad Arakeen that the Chairman is talking about,
11:32 are those people who are completely independent.
11:35 Those who are fighting for justice,
11:39 because of the absence of a symbol, are not independent people.
11:43 They are opposed to their party.
11:46 They will remain as a party.
11:48 So, Shahzad, I am sorry I am cutting you short.
11:50 This is a very important point.
11:52 This means that you are not talking to someone who is opposed to Pakistan's movement for justice,
11:59 or is a part of it,
12:01 and is fighting for justice as an independent candidate,
12:05 because the symbol of the movement is Pakistan's movement for justice.
12:08 So, are you really arguing that you are discussing with someone like that?
12:14 Is that what you are saying?
12:17 Yes, absolutely.
12:18 I am a worker of a responsible party.
12:22 I am a responsible worker of the People's Party.
12:25 I am saying this with responsibility.
12:28 I am saying that we have no contact with any of our PTI candidates at this time.
12:35 They are not independent.
12:37 They have raised their hands.
12:39 They are making themselves free because of the compulsion of the symbol.
12:43 If you talk about the field,
12:46 there are many people like this who are independent,
12:50 who have won many times.
12:52 They are also fighting.
12:53 I will take the name as an example.
12:55 Sayeed Akbar Khan's family, Nohani,
12:58 they are fighting independently.
13:00 They were also in the IPP or others,
13:05 but they are fighting independently.
13:08 Similarly, there are many other people.
13:10 We will definitely target them.
13:12 We will contact them if they win.
13:14 And the second thing is that this is a very strong possibility,
13:18 the scenario at this time.
13:20 We are sweeping Sindh.
13:24 We will easily take 50+ seats in the 61 seats there.
13:31 Then there is South Punjab.
13:33 Everyone in Balochistan is seeing that we are in a very good position at the moment.
13:38 In Central Punjab, the chairman himself is fighting with Lahore.
13:42 And what we say,
13:44 see, he was a worker of the People's Party.
13:47 He was a supporter of the People's Party,
13:50 a large number of them went to the PTI.
13:53 Or went to other parties.
13:54 Those people are coming back.
13:56 We are definitely talking to them,
13:58 that those people should come back to us.
14:01 And the second thing,
14:02 as our Muslim League's benefactors have done,
14:06 that someone said that he was not a political prisoner.
14:09 You will remember,
14:10 that Asif Ali Zardari Sahib,
14:12 was imprisoned for 11 years.
14:14 He was tortured.
14:15 His elders,
14:18 what do they say,
14:19 a lot of them,
14:20 the IG's of the house,
14:22 who were posted in Sindh,
14:25 they are not in the world right now.
14:27 May Allah give them a place in heaven.
14:29 But later he was given a political position.
14:35 He was tortured in those days.
14:38 Cases have been made later as well.
14:40 How can they say this?
14:41 And where are the private prisons?
14:44 And the People's Party talks about rights,
14:47 talks about fundamental rights.
14:49 We can never say this.
14:51 Shah sahib, I will come back to you.
14:53 I am coming to you, Shah sahib.
14:55 If you allow me,
14:56 I will talk to the rest as well.
14:58 Barista Saif,
14:59 did you get a sigh of relief,
15:02 a sense of happiness,
15:04 that the People's Party is not talking to your members?
15:07 Or do you doubt what Shah sahib is saying?
15:10 Because he has clearly said,
15:12 that the People's Party is not talking to any free-spirited member of PTI.
15:18 Look, Anika, the thing is,
15:23 I think that as far as the sigh of relief is concerned,
15:26 the sigh of relief is,
15:28 I think, the opposition of Pakistan Tariq Insaaf,
15:34 the opposition parties,
15:36 they have taken it,
15:38 since our sign was taken from us through a court decision.
15:45 The sigh of relief was because they knew that if Balla happens,
15:49 then Balla will reject us.
15:51 Unfortunately, that was taken away from us.
15:54 As far as the connection is concerned,
15:56 we are afraid that our candidates will go to some other party.
16:04 I don't think that will happen.
16:07 We hope that our candidates will speak in front of the public,
16:11 in the Jalsas,
16:12 with the Quran as their alfabet,
16:14 and give their commitment to the party,
16:18 that we will be with the party.
16:20 So, it is the kindness of Shah sahib to our candidates,
16:23 that he said this.
16:24 I am happy to hear this.
16:26 But when the government is formed,
16:29 then we will see how far the People's Party or any other party
16:32 will try to limit our candidates.
16:33 But, Mr. Bal, you are a lawyer yourself.
16:35 You should also be careful.
16:37 Legally, your independent candidates will win and reach the Parliament.
16:43 And will be with PTI.
16:44 But will they have a legal binding on them?
16:47 You are a lawyer yourself.
16:49 You know that.
16:50 According to legal binding,
16:52 won't it be difficult for them?
16:54 Okay, they are taking the alfabet from the Quran,
16:56 they have promised the voters,
16:57 it becomes a moral responsibility.
16:59 Anyway, they are associated with a party, a community.
17:03 Because they did not get their election symbol,
17:07 they had to fight as independent candidates.
17:10 But will there be any legal binding?
17:12 Okay, I think we will try to reconnect with Mr. Bairasti.
17:21 Till then, we will go to the break.
17:23 We will come back after the break.
17:24 After that, we will continue the discussion.
17:26 See you after the break.
17:27 Welcome back after the break.
17:32 Before going to the break, we were talking about independence.
17:34 Mr. Mustafa Nawaz Koker is with us.
17:36 Mr. Koker, Mr. Shah was saying a while ago that
17:38 many independents who are not with PTI,
17:41 other than PTI,
17:42 are being discussed with the Pakistan People's Party.
17:45 You used to be with the Pakistan People's Party.
17:47 Did you have a discussion with them?
17:48 I did not have a discussion with them.
17:50 Maybe they did not consider it worthy.
17:52 Do you want to talk?
17:53 No.
17:54 But in the last part of the program,
17:57 where you played clips,
17:59 I was on the phone line, I was listening.
18:01 All this is verbal abuse,
18:04 air firing,
18:06 where the parties are accusing each other.
18:09 A few months ago, they were sitting in the same government.
18:12 A few months ago, they were sitting in the same cabinet.
18:15 A few months ago, they were not even praising each other.
18:19 And today, the discussion that they are having,
18:21 do they think that the people of Pakistan are so stupid
18:24 that they will consider this verbal abuse as reality?
18:28 Are you saying that they are all lying?
18:30 Mr. Zardari is on record.
18:32 He said in an interview with Asma Shirazi,
18:35 that he is seeing a national government after the elections.
18:38 What does that mean?
18:39 That he is ready to sit in a coalition with other parties,
18:42 and with Muslim League Noon.
18:44 So today, this drama that is going on in front of the people of Pakistan,
18:48 where you can see the parties fighting each other,
18:52 all this is an election stunt.
18:54 This is nothing else.
18:55 This can also happen, right?
18:56 Look, after the elections,
18:58 after spending 16 months together,
19:00 can the Pakistan People's Party realize that they cannot work together?
19:04 The situation is bad.
19:05 The national government can also be minus PMN, right?
19:09 Not at all.
19:10 I think Mr. Zardari is absolutely clear about this.
19:14 That after the elections, any party,
19:16 he is on record, he has said that most of them will not be able to achieve this.
19:20 And obviously, a coalition government,
19:22 he is seeing that it will come into existence,
19:24 and in that coalition government, he will be ready to sit with every party.
19:28 He is a pragmatic politician.
19:30 This is just a verbal confusion during the elections,
19:33 and nothing else.
19:34 Mr. Shah, this is a strange thing that Mr. Zardari's statement
19:39 versus Mr. Bilawal's statement.
19:41 Bilawal is saying that we will have 172 sessions.
19:44 And Mr. Zardari is saying that we will lead,
19:46 but there will be a national government.
19:48 And Mr. Khokhar has finished the whole thing
19:50 that this is just election gimmickry.
19:54 Actually, no one is against anyone.
19:56 The democratic arm of MISA will be remembered after the elections.
19:59 And many people have this fear and danger
20:02 that this is not just a verbal war to the extent of elections.
20:06 After this, will there be some other scenario that usually happens?
20:09 Mr. Shah.
20:10 Mustafa Nawaz Khokhar is a great respectable person for me personally.
20:17 We have been together.
20:18 He has the right to say whatever he wants.
20:21 But this is not the case.
20:23 In fact, you all will remember that when we were together in the government,
20:27 there was a tough election against each other in Azad Kashmir.
20:31 Alhamdulillah, the People's Party won.
20:34 Even now, the chairman is saying the same thing.
20:38 That the old politics,
20:40 in which taking revenge on each other,
20:44 and pulling each other's legs or destabilizing the government,
20:50 should not happen.
20:52 And after the elections, everyone should think for the country,
20:56 for the betterment.
20:58 If there is someone in the opposition,
21:00 whether it is us or someone else,
21:02 then the opposition should be constructive.
21:04 The country is not ready for it to go back to the same side.
21:09 Look, the People's Party has its own stance.
21:14 We have always talked about democracy.
21:17 Everyone knows that the cases against the People's Party,
21:23 or whatever the powers were,
21:25 were in the PMLN government.
21:28 So it's a complete no.
21:29 Don't sit with the PMLN.
21:31 But when the time came for the PMLN,
21:35 when Mr. Khan used to talk about the finger of the empire,
21:38 and the government was about to be destabilized,
21:43 the People's Party supported them.
21:45 Okay, I'm sorry, I'm cutting you short over here.
21:48 Tell me, if you look at the national government,
21:52 and even Mr. Zardari,
21:53 then you have to sit with some party.
21:55 You are saying that the PMLN cannot be formed.
21:57 We have spent time with the PMLN,
21:59 and nothing has been done.
22:00 So can PTI be formed?
22:02 Look, this is a matter of post-election.
22:07 It is a fact that no one will get a third majority.
22:14 We do think that maybe we should take a simple majority,
22:17 or be in the largest single party assembly.
22:21 After that, the coalition will be formed.
22:23 And Mr. Zardari has also said the right thing.
22:26 And after that, everyone has an option.
22:28 What is the chairman talking about?
22:30 That we are never talking about revenge.
22:32 On the other hand,
22:34 we talk about revenge,
22:36 and accountability.
22:38 And when there is pressure,
22:40 then a normal statement is made.
22:43 So these are all the things
22:45 that we think will be more favourable for us after the election.
22:51 Will you reach out to PTI or not, Mr. Shah?
22:54 Of course, why not politically?
22:57 And you were talking about independence.
22:59 You did not reach out to Mr. Mustafa Abbas Khokhar.
23:01 I am surprised that he is also an independent leader.
23:04 He is very strong in his circle.
23:06 Yes, absolutely.
23:08 When Mustafa Abbas wins,
23:12 I will be the first one to reach out to him.
23:14 It will be his wish.
23:16 But he used the word 'Jab' (when)
23:18 Don't you trust your former colleague, Mr. Shah?
23:22 Look, I said that those who are independent,
23:28 we are not talking about PTI's independence.
23:32 The kind of allegations that Rana Sanawala has made,
23:36 are not true at all.
23:38 And PTI's people will also verify this.
23:40 And they have seen it.
23:42 Look, today, those people who have deviated from PTI,
23:47 whatever it was, look at their condition.
23:50 And in the election, people like this,
23:53 I don't think they will be respected.
23:56 You have said something in favour of PTI.
23:58 I will go to Mr. Khokhar.
24:00 I am telling the truth.
24:02 I am a political activist.
24:04 You cannot go from one side to another.
24:07 Without that, it is a political death.
24:09 Mr. Khokhar, you can add something.
24:11 I wanted to add something.
24:13 I do not want to join any party,
24:15 even if I get elected.
24:17 Because the parties that exist today,
24:19 they want to give themselves up to slavery.
24:22 Even if Mr. Shah joins, you will not?
24:24 Mr. Shah is my dear friend.
24:26 He is very respectable for me.
24:28 But political parties,
24:30 now those political parties do not exist.
24:32 There is no tolerance for disagreement.
24:34 There is no internal democracy.
24:36 There is no talk of reforms.
24:38 There is only a race to gain power,
24:40 in which everyone is included.
24:42 So, joining a party, as I said before,
24:44 is akin to giving yourself up to slavery.
24:46 And I will keep my free status intact,
24:48 if I win the election, God willing.
24:50 You said that Mr. Shah will not understand.
24:52 Mr. Shah is a friend.
24:54 We will chat and have tea.
24:56 Mr. Shah?
24:58 He can be an ally, but if he does not join,
25:00 he can support the government.
25:02 He can live as an independent.
25:04 Look, the legislation that will be in the interest of the country,
25:06 there is no need to say anything about it.
25:08 But the legislation that will not be in the interest of the country,
25:10 the IMF deal is expiring in March.
25:12 If the government comes,
25:14 it will break the mountains of inflation
25:16 due to the new IMF deal.
25:18 So, we will also have a strong opposition.
25:20 A strong opposition is also important.
25:22 Mr. Behrooz, one thing is very clear.
25:24 Whatever is in the government,
25:26 at this time,
25:28 no such party is at that stature,
25:30 or is not sitting on that status,
25:32 or is not at that level,
25:34 where it can be said that this party
25:36 will sweep clean by two-thirds.
25:38 There is no such thing.
25:40 At this time, people are in the red
25:42 of the simple majority.
25:44 In such a situation,
25:46 if Pakistan, the People's Party,
25:48 is not sitting with the PMLN,
25:50 you are saying that no.
25:52 Before this, many leaders of the PTI said,
25:54 how many chances are there
25:56 for Pakistan to sit with the People's Party?
25:58 Can there be any possibility?
26:00 Or will you prefer
26:02 that the opposition sit,
26:04 whether it has to sit with the PMLN
26:06 or the People's Party?
26:08 The first thing is that
26:10 in my personal opinion,
26:12 in my personal assessment,
26:14 in the upcoming election in February,
26:16 I think that
26:18 this will not be a final election.
26:20 There will be no result
26:22 that will create
26:24 a political stability in the country.
26:26 I think that
26:28 this will be a cause for further upheaval
26:30 because the parties that will come to the Parliament,
26:32 their condition will be such
26:34 that they will be able to run the government
26:36 using the same tactics
26:38 as the MUKMUKA, DEALS,
26:40 and political alliances.
26:42 And running the government
26:44 will be a very difficult task.
26:46 I think that the party
26:48 that will be put in the government's lap
26:50 will go through a test
26:52 and will be able to run the government
26:54 with great difficulty.
26:56 This is my own assessment.
26:58 The second thing is that
27:00 I think that this is not
27:02 an election of the coming people.
27:04 This is a managed election.
27:06 As a result of the type of
27:08 parties being used,
27:10 there is a great loss of transparency.
27:12 If the results are doubtful,
27:14 if there are questions or doubts,
27:16 then the government that will be formed
27:18 as a result of that election will be like this.
27:20 Has there been an election in 75 years
27:22 that has no questions about the results,
27:24 that has no debate about it,
27:26 that has no one or a group
27:28 coming up and saying that
27:30 we were being put up against the wall.
27:32 All the elections have been like this.
27:34 There is another election in all the elections.
27:36 You came to power.
27:38 You did not change anything.
27:40 The first question was something else.
27:42 Then you turned the car to some other side.
27:44 My car is running on the same lane.
27:46 There are two different lanes.
27:48 You are not running.
27:50 You interrupt the rhythm of the person.
27:52 Your rhythm will remain fixed.
27:54 No one can break your rhythm.
27:56 I am a witness to that.
27:58 Personally.
28:00 But just tell me that you are saying
28:02 that at this point in time,
28:04 these elections are being managed.
28:06 It has been established.
28:08 You have said that there are big problems
28:10 for one community.
28:12 We have to go towards elections
28:14 in these paradigms.
28:16 Now there are only a few days left.
28:18 Now what?
28:20 I was saying that
28:22 the political dispensation
28:24 that will come as a result of this election
28:26 will not be workable.
28:28 It will not have the capacity
28:30 to solve the problems of the country.
28:32 As a result of this election,
28:34 there will be political upheaval
28:36 in the country.
28:38 Now, when the situation is such
28:40 that there is upheaval,
28:42 you cannot make any political predictions.
28:44 If your system is stable,
28:46 then you can predict
28:48 whether PTI will unite with someone
28:50 or not.
28:52 All these things are happening
28:54 before time and there is no assumption
28:56 or assumption about them.
28:58 So basically you did not say no.
29:00 There is a possibility.
29:02 You are saying that politics
29:04 is in the name of possibility.
29:06 So there is a possibility here too.
29:08 You did not say no.
29:10 My paradigm is different.
29:12 I am talking in a totally different paradigm.
29:14 But if I answer your question
29:16 in two ways,
29:18 then it is the same.
29:20 I will also say that
29:22 we will support anyone
29:24 who is in the interest of the country.
29:26 And if it is not in the interest of the country,
29:28 then we will not support anyone.
29:30 That is all.
29:32 You will support the opposition benches.
29:34 We are hearing this.
29:36 Not just politicians,
29:38 not just media personalities,
29:40 but at this time,
29:42 even the common people are saying
29:44 that even if elections are held,
29:46 there will be upheaval.
29:48 In such a situation,
29:50 it will be better to hold elections.
29:52 Now, only a few days are left.
29:54 How can we ensure that
29:56 there is at least upheaval in these few days?
29:58 Look, the political upheaval
30:00 has not started from today.
30:02 It did not start a week ago.
30:04 The political upheaval has been going on
30:06 in Pakistan for the past few years.
30:08 And its impact is on the life of a common man.
30:10 We are the nobilities,
30:12 we are not able to solve the disputes between us.
30:14 And a common man is paying the price for it.
30:16 Today, there is a wave of inflation
30:18 of about 44%.
30:20 A few weeks ago,
30:22 the World Bank report came out.
30:24 There are shocking figures that
30:26 9 crore people are forced to live
30:28 in a country where there is no inflation.
30:30 And as you were saying in the beginning,
30:32 even the big parties have not been able
30:34 to bring forward the headlines of today.
30:36 So, where the seriousness of the parties
30:38 is at this level,
30:40 the first priority should be to end
30:42 the political upheaval.
30:44 When the political upheaval ends,
30:46 economic recovery will come.
30:48 But in the current situation,
30:50 I do not see the political upheaval
30:52 decreasing because all the parties
30:54 have gone so far away from each other
30:56 and there are so many complications.
30:58 They make non-political decisions.
31:00 Just like the Tariq-e-Insaf,
31:02 they made a few wrong decisions.
31:04 It was wrong for them to resign from the National Assembly.
31:06 It was wrong to break the Punjab Assembly
31:08 and Khyber Pakhtunkhwa Assembly.
31:10 These problems were not going to happen
31:12 for them today, despite being a part of the system.
31:14 But they also made non-political decisions.
31:16 Now, the distances have become so far
31:18 that the wave of political victimization
31:20 has also come.
31:22 As a result of that,
31:24 I do not see the political upheaval decreasing.
31:26 But ultimately, we will have to find a solution.
31:28 In your opinion,
31:30 if any of the three major parties,
31:32 PTI, People's Party, PMLN,
31:34 come to power,
31:36 will they be able to bring stability
31:38 and a chance to do political maneuvering?
31:40 This decision is of the people of Pakistan.
31:42 In your opinion?
31:44 The job of the Election Commission
31:46 was to ensure free and fair elections.
31:48 To ensure that there are no questions
31:50 raised in the election process.
31:52 The elections of 2018 were disputed
31:54 after the polling day.
31:56 Questions have already started to arise here.
31:58 So, this is the failure of the Election Commission.
32:00 As far as the parties are concerned,
32:02 I think that any political party
32:04 is only in the musical chair of power.
32:06 The issues of the people,
32:08 the purpose of real politics,
32:10 have gone far beyond that.
32:12 If they cannot even bring Mansoor forward,
32:14 who is now the back-breaking
32:16 of the people,
32:18 the backbone of the white-washed class,
32:20 then the parties will not be able to do anything.
32:22 Even the Finance Minister
32:24 is not present in the big parties.
32:26 What is the name of the Finance Minister
32:28 of the People's Party?
32:30 We know about Ishaq Dar,
32:32 he is from PMLN.
32:34 What is the exchange rate of
32:36 the policies of Ishaq Dar?
32:38 His exchange rates were
32:40 removed from his party.
32:42 So, the non-serious political parties
32:44 have an attitude towards governance.
32:46 You will do a rematch in Pakistan.
32:48 I think they were much better than Ishaq Dar.
32:50 But the point is that
32:52 the parties do not have the interest
32:54 to solve the issues seriously.
32:56 So, until we see that interest,
32:58 someone has to solve the issues.
33:00 The country is of 25 crore people.
33:02 People's lives have to be made better.
33:04 Their future has to be safeguarded.
33:06 And for now, the priority of the parties
33:08 is only power.
33:10 Mr. Bairasl, at this time,
33:12 especially after today's decisions,
33:14 Mr. Parvez Ilai, Mr. Shaukat Basra,
33:16 Mr. Omar Aslam, Mr. Sanam Javed
33:18 and Mr. Tahir Sadiq
33:20 have returned to the elections.
33:22 Do you think that the chances
33:24 and hope in the race
33:26 are still there?
33:28 Look, from our side,
33:32 what is the hope and certainty
33:34 that we have to fight this war
33:36 and we have to be a part of the election process,
33:38 whatever the results may be.
33:40 And we have to put our full effort into it.
33:42 As far as today's decision is concerned,
33:44 I think it is good that the Supreme Court
33:46 has given permission to these people to fight the elections
33:48 because the reasons for which they were
33:50 not allowed to participate in the elections...
33:52 Mr. Bairasl, I am sorry, I have to cut you short.
33:54 We have to go to the break.
33:56 Mr. Muhammad Ali, thank you very much.
33:58 Mr. Mustafa Nawaz Khokhar, thank you very much.
34:00 Mr. Nasir Hussain Shah was with us.
34:02 We will talk about the rivalry
34:04 between India and Gaza.
34:06 Welcome back after the break.
34:12 We have a new report from the International Court of Justice
34:14 on Gaza and Israel.
34:16 Israel has tried very hard
34:18 to prevent the trial of the case
34:20 against them
34:22 in the International Court of Justice.
34:24 In a way, it should be said
34:26 that the International Court of Justice
34:28 does not have the domain to hear these cases.
34:30 But the International Court of Justice
34:32 has completely overturned
34:34 this claim of Israel.
34:36 And a transitional decision has been made
34:38 in favor of Gaza.
34:40 The International Court of Justice
34:42 has clearly stated that
34:44 Israel should stop genocide in Gaza.
34:46 In the International Court of Justice,
34:48 a decision was made
34:50 between 15 and 2 judges.
34:52 There were 17 judges in total
34:54 and 15 of them gave this decision
34:56 in favor of Gaza.
34:58 And the decision of the 15 judges
35:00 was to stop
35:02 the genocide in Gaza.
35:04 Israel has been given a day
35:06 to submit a report
35:08 that Israel's forces
35:10 should not commit genocide
35:12 against the people of Gaza.
35:14 There is another statement
35:16 which is very important.
35:18 It was sent by the Israeli
35:20 Defense Minister.
35:22 It mentions that Palestinians
35:24 were given a human animal
35:26 as a symbol of their identity.
35:28 It is very clear.
35:30 Let's listen to the statement
35:32 and then we will talk about
35:34 the case.
35:36 Let's listen to the statement
35:38 of Netanyahu.
35:40 In the statement,
35:54 the residents of Gaza were given
35:56 a human animal as a symbol of their identity
35:58 and then they were told that
36:00 they will not stop the genocide.
36:02 On January 12, Netanyahu said
36:04 this in the International Court of Justice.
36:06 You heard it.
36:24 Today's decision
36:26 will be implemented by the UN.
36:28 The UN Security Council
36:30 has made many resolutions.
36:32 They have put it aside
36:34 as if it does not make any sense.
36:36 Pakistan has made a clear stance on this.
36:38 Pakistan has made a clear stance
36:40 on Palestine.
36:42 The UN has also
36:44 made a proper advocacy.
36:46 But what will we do
36:48 after the decision
36:50 of the International Court of Justice?
36:52 What are we going to do
36:54 to stop this genocide?
36:56 We have with us
36:58 Mumtaz Zahra Balot.
37:00 It is a pleasure having you.
37:02 After the decision,
37:04 there will be a hearing.
37:06 It will be a lengthy hearing.
37:08 Israel will be given a month's time.
37:10 What is Pakistan's
37:12 official stance on this?
37:14 What is the official narrative?
37:16 On one hand,
37:18 we have been saying
37:20 that this is unjustified,
37:22 this is oppression,
37:24 this is barbarism.
37:26 But on the other hand,
37:28 Pakistan has also supported
37:30 this genocide.
37:32 Are we going to continue that support?
37:34 Yes, absolutely.
37:36 First of all,
37:38 Pakistan is
37:40 grateful for the decision
37:42 of the ICJ.
37:44 We believe that
37:46 the court has made
37:48 the right decision.
37:50 The court has
37:52 decided on its jurisdiction
37:54 which Israel did not agree to.
37:56 Israel said that
37:58 the ICJ
38:00 dispute
38:02 in Gaza
38:04 has no jurisdiction.
38:06 This has been
38:08 rejected.
38:10 The second important decision
38:12 of the court is
38:14 that Israel should take
38:16 steps to prevent
38:18 the residents of Gaza
38:20 from taking the steps
38:22 that make the genocide
38:24 convention applicable.
38:26 Today,
38:28 South Africa
38:30 and Palestine
38:32 have agreed to this decision.
38:34 Similarly, Pakistan has
38:36 agreed to this decision.
38:38 We believe that Israel
38:40 should implement
38:42 the ICJ decision.
38:44 We also believe
38:46 that
38:48 the original demand
38:50 for a ceasefire
38:52 should be announced
38:54 as soon as possible.
38:56 This process should continue.
38:58 We have seen
39:00 a demographic shift
39:02 from 1917 to 1995.
39:04 This demographic shift
39:06 is a sign of
39:08 Israel's
39:10 forced change.
39:12 It is seen as
39:14 a second change.
39:16 It is a change
39:18 of the Palestinians.
39:20 They want to take the people of Gaza
39:22 to another country
39:24 and get the land
39:26 they want.
39:28 They don't care about humans.
39:30 They only care about the land.
39:32 In this situation,
39:34 Israel has repeatedly
39:36 rejected the resolutions
39:38 of the UN Security Council
39:40 and the UN.
39:42 It has also insulted
39:44 the UN.
39:46 You have heard
39:48 a statement by Netanyahu
39:50 about the ICJ
39:52 where he said that
39:54 the ICJ will continue
39:56 as someone from foreign services.
39:58 Do you think
40:00 it will be possible
40:02 to enforce the ICJ?
40:04 We have
40:06 discussed this
40:08 before.
40:10 According to international law,
40:12 there is an institution
40:14 that can implement
40:16 all such decisions.
40:18 According to the UN Charter,
40:20 the United Nations
40:22 Security Council
40:24 has been given
40:26 the responsibility.
40:28 We believe that the UN Security Council
40:30 has failed in this matter.
40:32 It is its responsibility
40:34 to play its role
40:36 and to change
40:38 the situation in Gaza
40:40 and to force
40:42 Israel to
40:44 immediately end the war.
40:46 This is why
40:48 Israel's supporters
40:50 are calling for
40:52 Israel to end
40:54 the bloodshed
40:56 that it has started.
40:58 The biggest supporter of Israel
41:00 is the US.
41:02 Is Pakistan using its diplomatic channels
41:04 to bring the US to the side
41:06 where the humanistic
41:08 secularism is taking birth
41:10 because of Israel's actions?
41:12 Pakistan
41:14 along with
41:16 the rest of the OIC countries
41:18 and the developing
41:20 countries
41:22 have
41:24 taken a position.
41:26 As you know,
41:28 the UNAM summit has ended.
41:30 The South Summit has taken place.
41:32 Pakistan has
41:34 presented a position
41:36 in the UNGA.
41:38 We believe in a collective voice
41:40 because it is
41:42 heard more
41:44 and more.
41:46 Our role is to
41:48 speak to the international community
41:50 in a loud voice
41:52 so that we can reach the right quarters
41:54 and our point of view
41:56 is registered correctly.
41:58 Fair enough.
42:00 Let's move to the next topic.
42:02 It is an important topic
42:04 because before this,
42:06 we had evidence
42:08 in the form of
42:10 the Indian interference
42:12 and the Kalbhoshan Yadav.
42:14 We had the statement
42:16 of the Indian government
42:18 and now we have
42:20 the Indian interference
42:22 once again.
42:24 On 18th June,
42:26 Canada gave a statement
42:28 that the Indian citizens
42:30 and the people of India
42:32 are involved in the killing
42:34 of a separatist
42:36 who was the leader
42:38 of Khalistan,
42:40 Hardeep Singh Nijar.
42:42 After this, the US
42:44 gave a statement
42:46 that a diplomat of India
42:48 was involved in the murder
42:50 of a Khalistan leader.
42:52 A plot was being
42:54 made
42:56 and a murder plot
42:58 was being made.
43:00 Now, Pakistan
43:02 has brought the Indian
43:04 interference once again.
43:06 Yesterday, the Foreign Ministry
43:08 and the Foreign Secretary
43:10 of the United States
43:12 and the two Pakistani citizens
43:14 Shahid Latif and
43:16 another citizen
43:18 were found
43:20 involved in the murder.
43:22 We have the bank statements
43:24 and bank transactions
43:26 of the Indian interference.
43:28 Mumtaz Sahiba,
43:30 we have received the news
43:32 that the friendly country
43:34 has been kept in front
43:36 of the ambassadors.
43:38 If this happens,
43:40 please give a confirmation
43:42 or a rebuttal.
43:44 Secondly, if this happens,
43:46 what was the reaction
43:48 of the friendly ambassadors?
43:50 Yesterday,
43:52 we presented
43:54 a detailed
43:56 media report.
43:58 It was very clear
44:00 and it was
44:02 a sophisticated
44:04 plot and
44:06 it was a sophisticated
44:08 action.
44:10 In Pakistan,
44:12 India
44:14 killed
44:16 two individuals.
44:18 We have
44:20 strong evidence
44:22 and our law enforcement
44:24 agencies
44:26 did a good research on this.
44:28 We have
44:30 irrefutable evidence
44:32 that
44:34 India was behind this.
44:36 The purpose of
44:38 presenting this
44:40 to the international community
44:42 and the media
44:44 was to let the world know
44:46 that this is the same
44:48 plot that was
44:50 seen in other countries
44:52 a few months ago.
44:54 You mentioned Canada and America.
44:56 We have
44:58 talked to
45:00 some ambassadors
45:02 and our purpose was to
45:04 share information with them.
45:06 We wanted to highlight
45:08 that such problems
45:10 are a common threat
45:12 for all of us.
45:14 When individual countries
45:16 start doing extra-territorial
45:18 and extra-judicial killings
45:20 in other sovereign countries,
45:22 this is a collective
45:24 moment for all of us
45:26 and we should take collective action.
45:28 We expect
45:30 support from Canada
45:32 and the United States of America
45:34 because they have gone through
45:36 this and have seen
45:38 such murder plots in India.
45:40 India Today
45:42 has released
45:44 a report
45:46 which has a long list of
45:48 the number of
45:50 India's enemies
45:52 who are being killed
45:54 by terrorism.
45:56 Shahid Latif and Mohammad Riaz
45:58 have been involved in this.
46:00 Do we expect Canada and the United States
46:02 of America to support us?
46:04 When we
46:06 proceed with
46:08 our case,
46:10 Pakistan
46:12 will of course
46:14 engage with the international community
46:16 and move forward.
46:18 It is not the right time to say
46:20 and I do not want to share
46:22 the details of our strategy.
46:24 But Pakistan
46:26 has a lot of options
46:28 and we are working on them.
46:30 We will reveal them when the time comes.
46:32 Thank you very much for joining me in the program.
46:34 We will end the program with this.
46:36 Two countries are
46:38 spreading terrorism in the world.
46:40 One is Israel
46:42 and the other is India.
46:44 Both have caught innocent citizens
46:46 in their own countries.
46:48 One is from Kashmir and the other is from Palestine.
46:50 They are breaking the mountains of
46:52 injustice and barbarism.
46:54 If we stay silent on this,
46:56 then how can we be human?
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