00:00 argument, which we are doing, is a fact and it is also true that the number of those who are independent will be good.
00:08 And most of the people who do not have a sign of change, they will fight for PTI. But you usually see, you are more experienced than me,
00:17 where do the leaders go at the end of the day? They go where they are called "sajans" to go.
00:24 But you will agree with this that the nature of independent candidates is not the same as that of this group.
00:37 They are not free because they have decided that we have to go free. They are free because by compulsion and the decision of the Supreme Court,
00:45 they have taken a sign of change and are going free because of this. And they are people of justice, they are party people.
00:54 Absolutely right. If you look at it in principle, then your argument is 100% correct and 100% right and morally bound with the answer,
01:04 with historical justice and should be. But the issue is that here, what is there, or I may be wrong, but from the place where I am able to see,
01:13 I am not saying anything wrong, at this time, the people of historical justice will fight for the elections. If they can do it until the elections,
01:21 that is, the broken ones or whatever independence they have, then they will be the same people who have already given some undertaking that
01:29 we will behave ourselves, frankly, if I put it that way. And you will not have any complaints from us, we are completely dependent on you.
01:37 Dependent on whom? Dependent on the people, the best management, whatever you have to do, that has to be done.
01:43 Because that is the way it has panned out. And secondly, I will tell you that so much has happened, so much has happened, we have come this far.
01:50 Is it because of the column that you mentioned, Mr. Sonal Varadkar, in which this is also a factor, maybe in the end it is also that everyone should be given free hand?
02:00 Everyone will get free hand, but what is the justice of the way? People dependent on it will not get it.
02:06 At this time, it is a simple thing that no community will be so powerful, a controlled government will come, whose turn will be somewhere else.
02:13 When someone will do some work here and there, or move from the line, then it will also start pulling it.
02:20 But for PTI, unfortunately, as we speak, there is no silver lining anywhere. And the freedom that we are making, these are the same people,
02:29 and only those people will be able to do it. So we know that we have to stay here later, and we cannot take a stand,
02:36 and we do not want to go against the will of the establishment. Rest assured, at least this is clear as broad as it is.
02:43 I think the decision will be made on time. I agree with you that there will be a lot of pressure.
02:48 Many opinionated people could not stand. There will be a lot of pressure, but I am sure that just like there was plan A, plan B, plan C for elections,
02:56 I think that there should be a plan A, plan B, plan C for this too. I am sure they will come up with something.
03:02 I think that the first thing that will disappear is the people who win. So when the time comes, come back.
03:08 So after that time, there will be no pressure. But unless, I don't know why they made commitments,
03:14 but they must have given tickets with a lot of thought, that the people who are fighting for elections,
03:20 the people who had problems, I saw that they did not even give tickets.
03:25 Now let's come to this PMLN vs People's Party. Is this PTM2 fighting among themselves? Is it a friendly fire?
03:32 Or are their paths really separate?
03:36 In this regard, a quick comment on the previous point that even if some people disappear,
03:42 even that would serve the purpose of the people who want the game to remain anti-PTI.
03:49 Because if a specific group of 20-25-28 people are missing from the parliament, then they are not contributing to the vote.
03:55 They are not contributing in any other way. So again, the number game is an imbalance.
03:58 But let me tell you why I am saying that they will disappear.
04:00 PTI, see, all the pressures, as much as Muneeb Reza Sikandar, there is no silver lining for the PM.
04:06 No, the campaign will be allowed. Suppose if these are the decisions,
04:09 I mean, there should be a fair fight, free and fair elections should be there.
04:13 But if this is the case, then the number is not so big that they are in a position to form a government.
04:17 This is not the situation in Karachi.
04:19 Keeping a sizable opposition intact here, which can give the government a tough time tomorrow,
04:25 I think that will be the bigger motive of Tariq-e-Insaf that they keep them intact,
04:29 so that a big opposition, 60, 70, 80, 100, whoever comes,
04:33 their opposition can give a difficult time when the time comes for the government.
04:38 And secondly, Azad has a certain time in which he has not joined any party.
04:41 No, no, if he does not go, then he will remain free.
04:44 So they can sit on the opposition benches.
04:47 So this could be the...
04:49 I think that if he is free,
04:52 and I think that the plan at this time is not so much of a plan for the next 6, 8, 10, 12, 16 months,
04:58 so how can the game of power be transferred to whom after the elections?
05:02 So for now, if PTI, even after thinking about this wisdom, the MNAs of PTI have disappeared,
05:07 which you are telling, then also I think the other side will say that,
05:10 "Yes, okay, for now, the number is out of the game, so the government will come now."
05:12 Prime Minister, make it later, we will see later.
05:14 The planning will be further.
05:16 Prime Minister, make it later.
05:18 Who knows, this group may also come,
05:20 whoever the Prime Minister is, to show him the stars in the day,
05:23 so I think that will be later.
05:25 Now the PDF thing,
05:27 one thing is that I am not surprised,
05:29 because when he was sitting with me, I found out that the election was to be held,
05:31 so it was certain that now obviously when the election is to be held,
05:34 then both have to show themselves that we are obviously opponents of each other.
05:39 Khurshid Shah sir has finished the talk in our program,
05:41 that he will say something against,
05:44 that the people will say that the election is to be fought against them,
05:46 something is needed,
05:48 if something is needed, then what will they sell.
05:50 However, especially from the side of the People's Party,
05:53 I think that at times when you talk like this,
05:56 it seems that you should also see that you are not insulting the intelligence of the common man,
06:01 that it is okay that you are two different parties,
06:03 and your different views are okay,
06:05 but when you say that this is the inflation league,
06:07 that they have made a big mistake by making inflation,
06:09 then brother, you are talking about the ten-year old Quran,
06:11 you are not talking about their views,
06:13 brother, you were sitting with them till yesterday,
06:15 and were taking all the statements,
06:17 so now you suddenly found out that it is the inflation league,
06:19 suddenly found out that it is the fastest,
06:21 especially when the People's Party gives this impression from its stage,
06:23 that as if it is complaining to someone,
06:25 or is warning someone that look,
06:27 don't let him come, he won't leave you.
06:29 When the people's party's stage is that look,
06:31 if Nawaz Sharif comes, he will take such a revenge, you don't know.
06:33 So it doesn't seem like a fun thing that you are complaining to someone,
06:36 that brother, bring me, I don't even have a history,
06:38 I don't take revenge, he will take it, he will fight you,
06:40 he will give you a punch, so it doesn't seem like a fun thing.
06:42 But anyway, whatever is happening,
06:44 nothing is unexpected in it.
06:46 The People's Party and Noon had to do this,
06:48 especially when Balla also got out,
06:50 and these two parties were left, Teer and Sher,
06:52 then they had to do what they were doing.
06:54 Let me take a break, after the break,
06:56 from the other two brothers too,
06:58 this friendly fire, obviously,
07:00 do you both think that the PDM2 government will be formed?
07:02 And the credibility of our system
07:04 ends, many times,
07:06 often people find opportunities,
07:08 that democracy cannot work in this country,
07:10 the big reason for that is also the politics of our country.
07:12 And like you said,
07:14 questioning the intelligence of a common man,
07:16 when you say that
07:18 you fool me once, shame on you,
07:20 and if you fool me twice, shame on me,
07:22 we will not sit with them again,
07:24 and then you go,
07:26 and you say that people will not remember after five years,
07:28 this politics has also ruined the democracy of this country,
07:30 and its politics,
07:32 people do not trust that politicians,
07:34 you remember, Mr. Zardari said,
07:36 if we meet Mian, then Allah will not forgive us,
07:38 and we met,
07:40 now Allah knows,
07:42 what do I know.
07:44 Let's take a break, we will talk more on this.
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