- 12/01/2024
Esporte Club Bahia coach Rogerio Ceni on City training facilities
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00:14 >> Good afternoon.
00:15 It's a joy to be here.
00:17 Roger Sene, coach of Sport Club Bahia.
00:22 We'll start the press conference.
00:24 Thanks.
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03:01 >> First question was welcome to the cold in England from--
03:06 Fred from TNT Sports, how this experience is being in pictures,
03:09 we're seeing a lot of smiles, this interaction
03:11 between the two squads and the Bahia players able
03:14 to meet their idols and also a lot of hard work,
03:17 it's preseason.
03:19 Good afternoon.
03:20 It's a pleasure to be here.
03:22 It's a fantastic experience, not just professionally but socially
03:27 as well with this interaction.
03:29 And I'm very grateful to everyone, you know,
03:31 the Manchester City team and the squad,
03:34 everyone we've come across, the entire group,
03:36 everyone's made us feel so welcome here.
03:38 And it's a unique experience for some of these Bahia players,
03:41 they've never actually left the country before,
03:43 so their first opportunity abroad comes
03:46 at this incredible training center with a team
03:49 that won the World's Club Championships
03:51 that hold five titles, five cups at the moment.
03:55 So I think, I believe we've really made the most
03:59 and we've got-- of their first visit
04:01 and we've got another week ahead of us
04:03 and to complete-- to continue with our preseason
04:06 and hopefully we'll make the most of that this season with Bahia.
04:10 The second question was from Pep's conference,
04:13 Pep spoke highly of Rogério
04:16 and how has this interaction been with Pep Guardiola?
04:20 Thank you for the kind words, it's a pleasure
04:23 and a privilege to be here and interact with Pep Guardiola.
04:27 It was the first time 10, 11 years ago,
04:30 I worked with him at Barcelona, where I visited the club
04:34 and also as a player, I came up against him
04:37 when he was the Bayern coach as well.
04:40 And then last month I was here at the club as well.
04:43 And it's really good that we meet,
04:47 he's always very polite, very welcoming,
04:50 he is the best coach in the world.
04:52 And we can exchange ideas,
04:54 considering the squads we have about football,
04:57 game systems, alternate systems,
05:00 and with the players we have, and that can benefit Bahia.
05:03 So it's a great pleasure to have this interaction.
05:07 Good afternoon, Rogério.
05:10 I'd like you to talk about the two announced reinforcements,
05:14 Everton Ribeiro and Jean-Lucas.
05:17 Both mentioned in their interviews
05:20 the importance of having spoken to you
05:22 and wearing the Bayern jersey.
05:24 What's the idea behind this arrival,
05:27 the size of this arrival to the Bahia Sporting Club?
05:30 First of all, congratulations to you for being here.
05:33 I think it's a personal victory.
05:37 I think for you I'm happy.
05:39 Professional victories make us happy when people can achieve them.
05:43 They are two players who will be very important this year for Bahia.
05:48 Everton and I had already worked together in Flamengo,
05:52 and I sometimes called him,
05:55 insisting that he be here with us.
05:57 I think he has a lot to add in terms of technique
06:00 and also in terms of experience,
06:02 in terms of technical leadership, which he always showed in Flamengo,
06:05 whether inside, playing as a midfielder,
06:07 or from the outside to the inside,
06:09 as he played with me in 2021.
06:11 I think it's already been a reason for a very great absorption
06:16 of the other players, a great interaction.
06:19 I think he's a mirror for many athletes.
06:24 Jean is a very strong player.
06:26 Since 2017, when Thiago Mendes was in SĂŁo Paulo,
06:30 we didn't work with a player,
06:33 a box-to-box player, an area-to-area player like Jean Lucas,
06:39 as I see potential in him, in terms of growth.
06:42 So, we expect two players,
06:44 others will come, but two players
06:46 that will add a lot to the team this season.
06:50 Completing the idea of 2024,
06:55 Roger, you arrive in 2023 during the Brazilian Championship.
06:59 What is the idea of this future ahead of Bahia,
07:03 now participating in this important preseason,
07:06 participating in this cast,
07:08 what to expect for 2024?
07:11 I hope we have better moments than the end of 2023,
07:16 and I'm sure we will.
07:19 Higher flights,
07:22 and next year we will definitely be in international competitions.
07:28 I think the limit is according to the number of reinforcements
07:33 that arrive so we can execute a game idea.
07:37 We will create, starting today,
07:39 the first training using a little tactical peace,
07:42 aiming at the physical part and their development
07:45 for the time off, on vacation.
07:47 But I think we can make a big upgrade,
07:51 I think we can dream of good things.
07:54 We have the Bahian Championship starting in a few days,
07:58 the Northeast Cup, which is a very important championship
08:01 for the club and for everyone in the region,
08:03 after all, they are big clubs that compete in this competition.
08:06 And after that, the Brazilian Championship,
08:08 which I think is the reference we have,
08:10 which is a championship with dates predefined until December.
08:14 Roger, how are you?
08:17 JoĂŁo here from ESPN.
08:19 Welcome to England.
08:21 I wanted to know if there is anything,
08:23 besides the training here, that you can share with us
08:26 about the exchange that is happening with Manchester City,
08:30 anything about backstage, besides just being here,
08:33 that you will bring back to Brazil,
08:36 anything different that you bring with you?
08:40 Well, for me, first, it's a pleasure to see you.
08:43 For me, since last month, when we were here,
08:46 it was already very important.
08:48 Tools that we can use in the future,
08:51 meetings with all departments that govern,
08:54 practically everything here is done with processes,
08:57 and you have to get used to it
09:00 to be able to enjoy everything they have,
09:03 I think, especially, the history,
09:05 these last 10 years of club growth,
09:08 so that we can apply it in some things in Brazil.
09:12 So, the interaction with various areas and meetings
09:15 that we had here last month, and now,
09:17 also this month, by the way, yesterday we had a meeting
09:20 with Ferran and some members of a new work tool.
09:23 I think this is extremely positive.
09:26 I think it's not just the technical part of the trip,
09:31 it also summarizes the culture, you learn how to be
09:36 in a different country, with a different culture,
09:39 and how it is the work, knowing that you are part, I think,
09:42 of a much bigger place than the one you find in Brazil,
09:46 that it is part of a gigantic group,
09:49 and that we can enjoy a lot of things that are for our own benefit.
09:53 - Quickly, about the style of play that you are developing,
09:57 when you arrive in Bahia, you say that you need to simplify
10:00 the game a little bit to survive in Serie A, right?
10:03 Now, what is your goal in terms of, how do you describe
10:06 your ambition for the style of play in Bahia?
10:09 - To have a style of play with more, by the way,
10:12 by the characteristics of the players that we try to hire,
10:15 I think it defines a little bit, to have more control of the game,
10:18 more ball, which is what we always, in the other teams
10:21 that we work with, we can have, so I think it is
10:24 to increase the technical level, the technical quality of these players
10:27 so that we have a little more time with the ball.
10:30 It is very simple, if you are not with the ball, the opponent is,
10:33 and you are suffering a penalty, so that we can increase
10:36 this time of control of the game, with the pieces that we are bringing,
10:39 and be able to be, not so much the co-owner of the games,
10:46 but the owner of the games in 2024.
10:52 - The first question is coming from our club correspondents in Brazil.
10:58 What is the impact of the two recent signings for Bahia,
11:03 Everton Ribeiro and Jean Lucas?
11:07 And, because they spoke in previous interviews about how important
11:12 Rogério Senni was in them wearing the Bahia shirt
11:16 and the size of the club.
11:19 First of all, congratulations for the personal achievement
11:22 of coming over here to England to cover this visit.
11:25 We should celebrate personal achievement.
11:28 These two players are going to be very important this season.
11:31 I worked with Everton Ribeiro at Flamengo, and I was calling him
11:35 on the phone to come and join me at Bahia,
11:38 and I know about his quality, and what he brings to the team,
11:41 he brings experience, and he also brings technical quality,
11:44 and he also brings leadership for the other players in the squad as well.
11:50 And he can play in various positions.
11:52 He can play inside, he can play on the wing, as he did in Flamengo.
11:55 And I think in terms of interacting with the other players in the squad,
11:59 Everton Ribeiro represents a role model for them as well.
12:03 Jean Lucas is a very strong player.
12:06 Now, back in 2017 at Sao Paulo, we had Thiago Mendes,
12:10 who was a box-to-box player at Sao Paulo,
12:12 so perhaps we didn't realise the potential of Jean Lucas as much.
12:18 But I really hope with this move to Bahia, he can add a lot to our team.
12:24 The next question was in 2024, about an idea of what the Bahia squad
12:31 will look like from this pre-season.
12:34 I hope very much for an improvement since 2023,
12:40 and I'm sure we will achieve much higher things.
12:44 The year, the interaction between the year with the new signings that we have
12:49 and the new signings that we intend to do, we can put our game plan in idea.
12:54 And first of all, it's the training we're having here pre-season,
12:58 it's physical, it's tactical, it's also recovery time for the players
13:02 who've just come up from their holidays.
13:04 So we'll look for an upgrade from last season,
13:10 and I believe that this experience will be very important.
13:17 This experience with City is so important because we've got all this expertise
13:23 coming from the clubs that we can apply to Brazil from the City group.
13:28 Next question was from JoĂŁo, to explain what's going on behind the scenes
13:37 in terms of this interaction between Bahia and the City group
13:41 and what's different from Brazil and what can be taken back to Brazil as well.
13:47 So, pleasure to meet JoĂŁo, and also I was here last month,
13:53 and it's very important, the influence we have with City,
13:57 very important tools we can apply to our football.
14:02 Here at City, in the global headquarters, there are numerous departments,
14:06 numerous processes that we can really benefit from.
14:11 And these are things that the City group have developed over the last 10 years
14:14 that we can bring to Brazil.
14:17 So I was here last month, we had meetings, we're having meetings as well
14:22 between Ferran and the other members of the team that are introducing these tools
14:26 that will have a really positive effect, positive influence on Bahia.
14:31 And it's not just these technical football things,
14:34 but it's also the cultural experience as well, of being in a new country,
14:39 being in a new club, with a new culture, and being part of something bigger,
14:46 being part of a huge football group will certainly benefit for us.
14:51 Final question from JoĂŁo is, what style of football is intended to be introduced in Bahia?
14:59 And the style would be, with the new signings and the players they have,
15:03 would be to have more control of the ball in the teams.
15:08 So, with the advancement of the quality of the players,
15:13 it will be for the Bahia teams to have more time with the ball,
15:17 to control games with the players they have.
15:20 Not to be a bystander, or have a secondary role,
15:23 but to take ownership of the Bahia games in 2024.
15:28 Rogério, good afternoon.
15:31 It's been 12 days here in Manchester, doing this pre-season,
15:34 and two reinforcements announced.
15:36 To what extent did you expect to have more reinforcements?
15:40 To what extent did you think it was important to have more pieces,
15:43 to be part of a planning?
15:45 And then I include in this question the case of Centro Avante,
15:47 that we end up losing a piece that left the club.
15:50 And today, as a profession, even RatĂŁo being able to do the job,
15:53 we only have Everaldo.
15:54 So, to what extent did you expect more reinforcements at the beginning?
15:57 I think we are moving at a speed of hiring good players,
16:04 hiring players of a high level,
16:07 at a slower pace to try to have the least possible error.
16:15 I think that, within what we would like,
16:18 within what we have discussed,
16:21 try to reinforce the midfield.
16:23 We have, of course, some positions that we are still looking for,
16:27 some that are open for negotiations.
16:29 Of course, it is always important to have from the beginning,
16:33 but I think there is time, during the month of January and February,
16:37 to have a large rotation of players for some games.
16:41 And, slowly, we are hiring and fitting these players,
16:46 if it wasn't possible here, in the preseason.
16:48 But these are situations that are well on the way,
16:50 and I believe that they will happen,
16:53 and they will make Bahia get stronger and stronger
16:56 until the decisive phase of the Bahian Championship and the Northeastern Cup.
17:02 But nothing that escapes the planning,
17:04 nothing that worries us.
17:07 What we have here today is enough for us to start the competition,
17:10 and one or the other player will possibly arrive
17:13 so that we can reflect on the rest of the year.
17:17 I would like you to talk a little about this relationship with the fans,
17:20 who are euphoric about this moment.
17:22 Bahia coming to Manchester, following these players,
17:24 not embarking on your way to Europe.
17:26 I think it is a moment...
17:28 I think it started with that last game of the Brazilian Championship,
17:31 where the trajectory changes,
17:34 where Bahia remains in Serie A.
17:37 I think that Group City has always talked about future investments,
17:41 and we are trying to do our best to qualify the team more and more,
17:47 in addition to the pieces that were already here,
17:49 that performed well last year,
17:51 trying to qualify, as an example, Everton and Jean.
17:55 And I think that this is...
17:59 Of course, it is not a title, it is not something to celebrate,
18:02 but given the circumstances that we found ourselves in,
18:05 in the last round,
18:07 I think the fans are happier, more euphoric,
18:10 and they do not want to go through a situation like this anymore.
18:13 So, everyone in Brazil is reinforcing themselves a lot.
18:16 It is a month where the League has contributed a lot of money to the clubs,
18:21 I think many are reinforcing themselves.
18:23 It is a championship that should be played more next year,
18:26 and we are waiting, and I am convinced,
18:30 that we can deliver a great year for Bahia.
18:34 I believe that it will be the best year of the points.
18:39 First question about the two new signings.
18:42 Are there any more signings to be expected?
18:45 There is a player, particularly in the centre-forward position,
18:48 as one player is left.
18:50 There is Ratao and Everaldo that can fulfil that position.
18:54 First of all, these things are advancing this season.
18:58 We are looking for players who can play at a high level,
19:01 but we are not rushing into it.
19:03 We do not want to make mistakes with our signing.
19:06 We are having these discussions,
19:09 negotiations are taking place.
19:11 We are looking to strengthen the midfield and some positions,
19:14 and some negotiations are opening.
19:18 With the transfer window, we have January and February.
19:21 We will be able to rotate players in games for the existing squad.
19:26 We will look for new players, and we are advanced in that.
19:30 We will strengthen the Bahia team by the time the state
19:37 Bahian championship is coming to the end,
19:40 and the North-Eastern Cup has started as well.
19:43 I believe we have a squad good enough to start,
19:46 and we will possibly strengthen the squad as we progress over the months.
19:51 Next question was about the relationship with the Bahia fans.
19:55 That started with the last game of last season.
19:58 Everything changed with the successful survival in the top division in Serie A.
20:04 Obviously, the fans knew that being part of the group,
20:07 there would be more resources and finance coming in.
20:11 What we would look for is to have a much better season.
20:15 We have Everton, Ribeiro and Jean-Lucas coming in.
20:18 But the importance of surviving in the first division.
20:21 Of course, surviving in the first division is not winning a trophy,
20:24 but when you take into account the circumstances of that last game,
20:29 the Bahia fans were delighted. They were euphoric.
20:32 What you are seeing in the Brazilian League for 2024 is all teams are strengthening.
20:38 More money and finance has been provided by the league.
20:42 I think it will be a more competitive Brazilian League, BrasileirĂŁo, this season.
20:48 Hopefully, from a personal perspective, I hope it's my best season in the modern version of the Brazilian Championship.
20:56 [Portuguese]
21:12 As a small boy, I fell in love with football, the beautiful game,
21:17 because of the way that Brazil played with Pelé, Rivalino, Jairzinho, Carlos Alberto
21:23 and the great '82 team, Socrates and Hader.
21:27 Through my lifetime, I've seen football change a lot, different styles.
21:32 Now, in this modern era, the best football I'm seeing anywhere in the world
21:36 is Pep Guardiola's style of football.
21:39 I just wonder how much of an influence that has on you, your team,
21:44 and even in Brazil, a country that I don't watch the football as intensely as I do here,
21:49 because I've seen the impact of Pep Guardiola all the way down the football pyramid in England
21:54 and all over Europe, and although he's very modest about saying that it's his influence,
21:59 I think it is his influence, and I just wonder what your thoughts are
22:03 on the way Pep Guardiola's team plays the beautiful game in 2024.
22:09 I agree with you about the most beautiful football playing with Mr. Guardiola,
22:17 and I think the difficulty that we have is we don't have the same quality of players,
22:24 because the most part of them is playing and living in Europe, in the Premier League.
22:32 I think what is different in Brazil to here is the temperature, the quality of the grass.
22:42 Here is fast football, it's much faster, but it's impossible to do the same,
22:48 because we have different kinds of grass, temperature, I think the intensity is not the same,
22:56 because now you are practicing here with three degrees.
23:00 Now we are practicing in Bahia with 33 degrees, so it's a big difference.
23:07 But I think the national team can learn a lot with this, because the players of the national team,
23:14 the most part, 9%, is playing in Europe, and most part of them, or part of them,
23:20 Ederson is an example, is playing here.
23:23 So it's not a shame to look for a success guy like Pep and learn a lot.
23:32 I remember the same time that you told about Pelé, about Gerson and other players,
23:37 and I think you need to grow, and look, sometimes you need to copy a good coach
23:44 and try to put the same style to play. But Pep is a big influence, not in Brazil, in all the world.
23:53 So as you talk about City being the headquarters of the City Football Group,
23:58 do you see Pep Guardiola as the top of the pyramid coaching-wise as well?
24:02 Yes, I think it's not just about the City Football Group, it's about the world.
24:08 He's an example for everybody. Come on, ok, have different styles to play,
24:14 and you can be successful coach or have a successful team playing for another way,
24:23 but not more beautiful than this.
24:27 Sorry for my English, but I think it's possible you understand.
24:36 Can you repeat that in Portuguese?
24:39 So, growing up as a child, falling in love with football, it was that 1982 Brazilian team,
24:47 Jairzinho and these players...
24:51 Gerson, Rivelino, 1982, and that inspired...
25:01 I'm Portuguese, I lost my place on the page.
25:06 I'm sorry, coach.
25:08 As a child, inspired by the 1982 team, Rivelino, Gerson, those types of players,
25:14 and a lot has changed in modern football and the best football...
25:18 I speak Portuguese, man.
25:20 Sorry, cognitive load.
25:22 Someone has to change the direction.
25:24 The question is about the great examples from the 80s, 90s, 70s, that were indicated...
25:33 - Can you play? - Yes, I can.
25:36 A lot has changed in modern football, and today the best football, the most beautiful football,
25:41 the beautiful game, is Pep Guardiola's football.
25:45 So, I'd like to know... Pep Guardiola revolutionized English football, revolutionized the English football pyramid,
25:53 but when you ask coach Pep, he's very humble about the effect, but in my opinion, Pep really revolutionized.
26:01 I'd like to know about the influence that Pep's football has on your style of play and vision.
26:07 And I agree, it's really the most beautiful football.
26:12 In Brazil, we have a challenge in terms of quality, because most of our players of the highest quality
26:22 play in Europe, in the Premier League, most of them.
26:27 And what's very different about playing in Brazil is the difference in temperature, climate, and pitch.
26:37 Football here is very fast, very intense.
26:39 The pitches are different.
26:43 So, the rhythm of the game, the intensity of the game is very different.
26:48 For example, we have preseason here, it's 3 degrees.
26:51 In Bahia, we're playing and training with 33 degrees.
26:54 So, I think that's a challenge.
26:58 But I think that the Brazilian team can benefit a lot from these Brazilian players.
27:04 90% of the national team, like Ederson here in City, plays in Europe.
27:12 And I believe that they can learn a lot from Pep.
27:17 We talk about the golden generation of Brazilian football, like Pelé, David, or the 1982 national team.
27:25 And I think it's good.
27:28 You can imitate, emulate other techniques, other styles.
27:34 And the next question was about seeing that the size of the City Group here,
27:42 the global headquarters of the City Football Group, and Pep is at the top of this pyramid.
27:49 So, it would be about the difference in styles.
27:55 Yes, Pep Guardiola is not only at the top of the City Football Group's pyramid,
28:05 he is at the top of world football.
28:09 And so, there are different styles, but it's not only the City Football Group that Pep is at the top of,
28:15 it's world football as well.
28:18 More or less.
28:20 Much better than my English.
28:23 Hi, Rogério, I just want to ask you, you've obviously spent a bit of time here.
28:29 Have you had a chance to watch Manchester City train?
28:32 And if you could take one Manchester City player on loan to Brazil with you, who would that be?
28:38 The end of the question?
28:40 No, I understood everything, just the end.
28:42 You can choose, one City player to take to Brazil with you.
28:46 It's difficult.
28:48 So, all the players are fantastic.
28:52 And the last time I was here, I watched it versus Crystal Palace, the two-two.
28:59 And, come on, I love all the players.
29:04 The defenders, the way they build the game, the guys on the side, 1v1, it's difficult.
29:15 Maybe Pep could play in my place there and I come here so we can change.
29:23 No, every player here is different.
29:26 The football here is different.
29:28 It's another level, it's another speed, it's another way to stay with the ball
29:33 and control the game.
29:35 I think any player of this helps us a lot if you go to Brazil, but it's not possible.
29:43 Just one more, Rogerio.
29:45 Here in the north-west we have both Ederson and Alisson at Liverpool.
29:49 Obviously two Brazilian goalkeepers.
29:52 As a Brazilian goalkeeper yourself, which one do you prefer and why?
29:55 It's difficult because we have Alisson and Ederson here.
29:59 Both goalkeepers with a level to play in the national team.
30:04 And Ederson started to play in the same team like I played during all my life
30:10 in the Sao Paulo Football Club.
30:12 So he's growing up looking how to play, especially with feet.
30:20 So I think it's a tendency that changed the goalkeepers in the world
30:26 to start to build the game.
30:28 And the last time I was here I told, I don't know if he's the best.
30:33 This year he was the best goalkeeper of the world.
30:38 But each year you can change.
30:42 He's in the first three, first five best goalkeepers of the world.
30:49 But to build a game, start with the ball, with defenders and him,
30:54 I think he's the best one of the world.
30:58 I think he deserves, and probably, especially with Denis,
31:05 continue to practice in the national team,
31:09 probably he will be the number one of the national team.
31:12 Now we changed the coach in Brazil, so changed sometimes the style
31:17 and I don't know what's happened, but Ederson is very special.
31:22 [speaking Portuguese]
31:25 Thank you very much.
31:26 Thank you. And sorry for my English, okay?
31:29 [speaking Portuguese]
31:32 Oh, you are?
31:34 [speaking Portuguese]
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