LIVE Patriots Beat: Bills Recap + CFB Semi Recap

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Transcript

00:00 Back in and happy new year

00:01 It is brian hines and alex barth back with a brand new live edition of the patriots beat podcast right here on the clns

00:10 Media network and a lot to talk about today

00:13 We have a pats bills game to break down which feels like ages ago at this point because we had

00:19 So many awesome college football games yesterday

00:22 We can touch on that to end the show as well with you know

00:25 Some interesting quarterback prospects and michael pennex playing amazing last night. So we'll get to all of that

00:31 I'll talk all that football, but we're gonna start

00:34 With gerard mayo and we're gonna start with bill belichick

00:37 uh to begin here because

00:39 Gerard mayo spoke to the media

00:41 This morning and he was asked about the report last week from greg bedard of boston sports journal that he was rubbing

00:49 Some people the wrong way in the organization since he's gotten that contract extension in the offseason and that press release

00:56 From robert kraft that said they're keeping mayo around

00:59 Which kind of put him on the map to be the potential successor at some point for for bill belichick

01:04 and whether they were thinking or not that it would be

01:07 Maybe next year at the time. They signed it like that's kind of where we're at now

01:12 and so with a lot of people looking at mayo, it's

01:15 The report was he was rubbing people the wrong way and he was asked about that this morning

01:20 and he gave a really good genuine answer I thought where

01:22 You know, he said it hurt him at first a little bit that people would say this behind his back

01:28 but

01:29 at the same time he took some time to self-reflect and said to be a leader and to be a potential head coach he kind of

01:34 Might have to rub some people the long way and he just hopes that

01:38 People are being truthful with him and his players are knowing that he's just trying to put them

01:43 In the best positions to succeed as as a coach

01:46 And greg had a follow-up on the sports hub today and said that he didn't hear it from a player for whatever that's worth

01:51 I I really liked what mayo had to say and he's right. He didn't necessarily deny it

01:55 But he just said hey as a leader, sometimes you have to ruffle some feathers and that's the truth

01:59 they if

02:01 sometimes you just have to kind of take charge and there is a fine line certainly between

02:06 You know taking charge and sort of bullying people but

02:11 A lot of the other stuff we've heard about mayo

02:12 Especially from the players is it doesn't seem like too much of an issue that it's too over the top

02:16 So I I thought his answer there's two sides to every story, but I thought mayo's answer is great

02:21 And I think he just continues to sound like a guy that's ready to be

02:24 An nfl head coach and whether that's here whether that's elsewhere whether it's next year whether it's down the road

02:31 We'll see but I I just continue to be impressed by

02:34 uh

02:36 Just the way he interacts on a person-to-person basis, you know as

02:40 Tough questions he had to answer from us today

02:42 And I I thought he knocked it out of the park and that's not nothing like he wasn't feeding us lines

02:47 This wasn't some

02:49 I don't want to say it wasn't a pre-prepared statement because it sounded like he thought a lot about it

02:52 But this wasn't you know reading off a piece of paper or whatever

02:54 He he spoke from the heart and he deserves credit for that. And I think as a player

02:58 When you have a guy

03:00 You know setting that example and and addressing issues like that it's easy to get behind and follow a guy like that

03:07 Yep, I I had a friend text me like was this just a pr kind of answer just to like and I didn't know get that

03:14 Impression at all. I thought like he obviously he said he self-reflected about it

03:18 So he thought about it a lot, but it definitely seemed like a really genuine

03:21 A good answer and he meant what he said and yeah, you're gonna have to ruffle some feathers as a leader

03:27 Especially as as a football coach, right? Like right that's part of your job

03:31 But yeah, I thought his answer was was really good and he continues to impress kind of at all

03:36 in all facets there and

03:38 We might be gearing up for him to be the head coach here and another report over the weekend was jocena

03:44 Anderson who I believe she's at the athletic now, but she came out and had a report that

03:49 Bill balachek is drawing some interest from two teams and she specifically labeled the

03:55 Los angeles. I almost said san diego, but los angeles chargers

03:59 As one of those teams and that the chargers are also running their head coach

04:04 and general manager searches simultaneously and

04:07 You know, that's bill balachek music to his ears right there if he can go somewhere

04:11 And have that power over the roster and be the head coach as he does here in new england

04:16 So that's a team a lot of us thought

04:19 Would be interested in him and jocena kind of confirmed that one there the other night and so

04:25 Something to watch there as as we get into you know week 18 and then black monday next week

04:32 Yeah, and this is going to be be the story here for the next week

04:35 maybe two weeks if it drags on and it shouldn't drag on any more than that, but

04:39 What is bill balachek's future? What is the plan? Uh, does he have a chance to go?

04:45 into the

04:48 Uh into his meeting with kraft and save his job or is it already a formality one way or the other is kraft

04:53 Going to have him back is kraft going to not have him back no matter what's said in that meeting

04:57 We don't know we have no way of knowing we're just going to kind of have to wait and see I don't you're going

05:01 to get like reports reports about this, but

05:04 I don't think we're really going to know until we know like this is going to be kept super close to the vest all of

05:09 that

05:10 and we'll see but this is you know,

05:12 I think there's a

05:15 It would make sense to treat sunday as bill balachek's last game with the patriots

05:19 It worst case scenario. It's not it's like tom brady's first retirement, right?

05:22 You might as well get it out of the you know

05:24 You might as well get it all out because you don't know if you're gonna have another chance and then we'll see from there

05:28 i'd imagine

05:30 Whatever happens

05:31 It'd be kind of like the press release last year, right?

05:34 that just kind of came out of nowhere and you didn't hear any reports of any of that and then

05:38 all of a sudden this press release comes out that they're

05:41 opening this offensive coordinator search and

05:44 Gerard mayo is getting an extension and everyone just kind of freaks out from there. So I

05:49 Agree, you're they're gonna sit down as they do every year at some point here

05:53 Robert might have his mind made up bill's probably gonna fight for his job if he still wants to be here and then

06:00 You'll probably hear some reports and then the news will break

06:02 Uh, they'll probably release some sort of statement with whatever going is going to happen there. So

06:07 We'll see but yeah sunday could be the last one for bill balachek there as the new york jets come to town

06:13 But the patriots are 4 and 12 after they lost last week's game to the buffalo bills up there in orchard park

06:21 2721

06:24 Uh, it got off to a good start

06:25 They actually returned the opening kickoff this time instead of allowing the opening kickoff. So

06:30 Got off to a good start

06:33 Defense kept them in the game

06:34 But as bill described it as just a terrible first 20 minutes with a bunch of turnovers

06:39 Just kind of dug them way too big of a hole bailey's appy three interceptions farrell brown had a fumble buffalo had 20 points off

06:46 the turnovers so

06:48 It was just too big of a mess for a team that can't afford to shoot themselves in the foot like that

06:54 it this was as

06:56 2023 new england patriots of the game is the 2023 new england patriots have had there's like these little flashes

07:02 Mostly on defense they can't return touchdowns. The one thing that's out of

07:06 Out of character

07:08 Special teams fine, right?

07:10 A lot of a lot. Oh, they did have some missed kicks and we'll get a lot of turnovers on offense defense holds up like the

07:16 uh bills had

07:19 I mean three scoring drives they'd have picked six but

07:22 You know only once did they go the length of the field to score?

07:25 They had like a 24 yard scoring drive. I think that a 12 yard scoring drive

07:28 The defense did all it could the defense played well if there's a silver lining here

07:33 It seems like the patriots may finally have a plan for josh allen

07:36 But the offense turned the ball over too much and while there were some flashes later in the game

07:40 It's it's too little too late. We'll get to bailey's appy. I think him specifically he's at the center of this

07:45 But that's just that's just who they are. They're two lopsided of a team right now

07:49 The defense is ready, but the offense isn't even close. Yep, and we can get into

07:54 The progress on allen which is encouraging from kind of a lost season here, but we'll start with bailey

07:59 three interceptions

08:02 the big thing was be more consistent and you know in structure and

08:07 It was still just way too hit or miss

08:09 he's either throwing a beautiful ball downfield or kind of throwing an ugly interception and

08:15 I know pff had him with zero turnover worthy plays, which I didn't agree with I thought the first two interceptions

08:22 Were on him as he described it after the game even he was kind of late on that one to gusicki

08:27 and then he opened the runway

08:29 on the second one he had pop douglas on his screen, but

08:32 You know bad pass to parker who also ran a pretty lazy route. So

08:36 I thought those two were on zappy the third one looked definitely like more on rager even though it

08:42 Probably wasn't even going to be an accurate ball for what they wanted to run

08:46 But right definitely a miscommunication with rager there, but beyond the interceptions. It was still just

08:51 Way too hit or miss he was holding the ball a long time trying to develop these big plays downfield and just way too inconsistent still

08:58 So i'll say this for zappy. I think the pocket movement thing is real and he's consistently getting away

09:05 extending plays

09:08 Dodging pass rushes, but he doesn't do anything

09:11 After that, I thought the the incompletion to mike gusicki

09:14 Was very indicative of that where he made a really good play to get away from the rusher and then just kind of put it

09:18 In the ground because sickies feet if you can't do anything after you escape the rush

09:22 that that pocket maneuverability doesn't really mean much and

09:26 People will say he made some nice throws late in that game throwing down the field the throw to rager

09:30 I think was a better play by rager to adjust the ball than it was by zappy. Um

09:34 I do think the third interception was on him

09:37 as a miscommunication just

09:40 based off what was said after the game

09:42 but

09:44 In some ways whatever you wanted to see from bailey's happy you saw in this game

09:48 The zappy people will say well, you know

09:50 Look at what he did later in the game and he was able to get them down the field a couple times and look what he

09:53 Did with his legs when's the last time the patriots had a quarterback be a factor with his legs?

09:57 And the zappy detractors will say yeah, but he turned the ball over three times and they only scored

10:01 Was it 14 points on offense I think?

10:04 My whole thing with it is yeah

10:08 if you're if your defense of a quarterback begins with

10:11 Well after he threw his third interception

10:14 I don't really care what you would say after that like maybe if it's a rookie and it's a preseason game

10:19 I I guess I can kind of see where you're doing that

10:22 No, I I've seen enough for bailey's happy. Look. I do think he belongs as back of this league

10:28 I do think there are some things he's shown

10:30 That he deserves credit for I said this last week and I feel even stronger now. I put him in that josh dobbs

10:37 Tommy devito

10:39 Like that, you know all these other backups that have had their 15 minutes of fame this year. I put him in that tier

10:45 He's not

10:47 Brock purdy who's going to just kind of ascend out of nowhere and lead the franchise. That's not his role

10:52 I he's a good backup

10:54 There's value in having good backup and he's going to be in the league a long time and make a lot of money and not

10:58 Take a lot of hits

11:00 But the patriots need to find a franchise quarterback and bailey's happy is not that guy

11:04 We know at this point mac jones is not that guy

11:07 We're heading towards a quarterback off season. There's just no I I don't care that

11:12 Zappy stepped around a couple defenders and had a 17-yard touchdown run. It hasn't been the consistency's not there

11:19 and

11:21 Maybe zappy gets them back a little closer to 500

11:23 Getting the seven or eight wins is not the goal here

11:26 It shouldn't be and the where they need to get to zappy's not going to get them there

11:31 Yep, like the hit or miss stuff plays when you're a backup and you need to come in for three starts and you saw zappy

11:38 He right get you a win in denver get you a win in pittsburgh. But as a full season

11:43 it's just not

11:46 You know, it's not what you're looking for as you're starting quarterbacks, but I agree. He's a backup

11:51 So let me ask you this. Is he the right backup quarterback?

11:53 For this team because he was on radio

11:57 Uh this this afternoon and he was asked what are your thoughts if the patriots take a quarterback with their top five pick here?

12:04 And he said he's going to be

12:06 Ready to compete for the starting job as he was this offseason

12:09 Is that a negative to have in your backup quarterback?

12:12 Do you think as a guy who might be behind a rookie quarterback shoulder saying like i'm trying to get in here?

12:17 I'm trying to take your job

12:19 Instead of it like a chase daniel or a brian hoyer who's just like i'm here to help this guy

12:24 And I don't need to be on the field right now

12:27 Yeah, look zappy's still young

12:29 And even brian hoyer and maybe there was he was being a little facetious

12:33 But he even said when brady was here

12:34 he he was going out like he was competing for the starting job and he knew like he said, yeah, you know, he wouldn't get it, but

12:40 He was still a pro

12:42 You have to be competitive to play in the nfl. You just have to have a natural competitive streak and frankly

12:47 It would bother me if bailey's absent. Yeah, i'll be the backup. That's fine. I don't care like that's not

12:51 What that's not the mentality you want. I think there are some quarterbacks in the league

12:56 there's some that played here that have that mentality and

12:59 They're not very good. That's just you need that drive to get better. So it doesn't bother me so much that zappy said that still

13:07 I would like to see if they're going to bring in a young quarterback and more veteran

13:12 Guy to kind of lead him along now. It doesn't mean zappy can't also be here

13:16 You know, you had mac jones bailey's happy brian hoyer at one point. Maybe it's something like that

13:20 but I

13:22 He should be competitive and i'm not going to fault the guy for being competitive. Absolutely not

13:26 but

13:28 Yeah, I I the plan should still be around a first round pick and he needs to be okay

13:32 If it's not him, yep

13:35 So actually I I thought he gave the right answer to that. That's the right political answer all that to give um

13:40 Doesn't mean that he's gonna you know be a child about it if if somebody else is starting next year. Yep

13:47 agree with you there, but

13:50 Uh, we can move on some of the other offensive stuff

13:53 I think the other big story from sunday was trent brown on the offensive line and we talked about trent a lot last week because

14:00 It looked like his status might kind of be up in the air for this game

14:04 And he didn't even travel people in buffalo. Some of the reporters said he didn't have

14:08 A locker set up there now. He was removed from the injury report on friday. So he was healthy. He

14:14 Physically could have played but they kept him

14:18 At home bailey zappy even said today. He learned he said friday or saturday that trent wasn't going to play

14:24 So this was a healthy bench

14:26 Leave him in in foxborough here

14:28 and there were some reports from doug kyd of the boston herald that said because trent missed some games with injuries and he knows he's

14:34 not going to

14:36 hit these playtime incentives that

14:38 They haven't they've had trouble keeping him motivated and locked in here down the stretch

14:43 Which has been the story of trent brown's career here in new england

14:47 So I know we talked a lot about he's might be the best tackle available this offseason in the free agent market

14:54 but

14:55 This really just seems like we're headed to the end here with trent brown

14:59 I won't rule it out until he signs somewhere else, but it definitely seems like things are done. I I thought

15:04 They seem done with him. I can't imagine he's going to be very happy. They scratched him and prevented him from getting his playtime bonuses

15:11 It seems like a natural, uh parting in the ways and he he sir. He's been

15:16 Look, I think he's played through a lot. I think the idea of him being soft is

15:20 uh

15:22 a casual take

15:24 If you really follow the team this year and look we've reported it

15:28 Or we like media have reported some of it and like just seeing him in the locker room. The guy's clearly battling right now

15:33 but

15:34 Mentally, he has seemed checked out at times and you just can't have that the guy's top 10 tackle in the league when he's checked

15:40 In but you can't bank on that, especially if you're going to be a rebuilding team

15:44 So they absolutely I I do think it's time for them to move on from trent brown. Yep

15:48 And you hope finally just invest something

15:50 like a top

15:52 high priority resource into that left tackle position and get that

15:56 settled down because you don't want to keep having to rely on trent brown, but

16:00 Yeah, he's still the top guy available or one of the top guys. So maybe maybe maybe he works his way back here

16:06 but that looks like it's

16:08 uh at the end of the road there for for trent brown, but

16:12 I will give some credit to vaderian low who stepped up at that left tackle spot with trent brown

16:18 Down and actually played a pretty decent game. He looks a lot more

16:22 Comfortable on the left side. I went back and looked at his stats earlier this year. There was a four game stretch

16:28 He gave up 24 pressures that right tackle. I forgot how bad that was

16:33 There was like a two game stretch where he gave up 17 and he's only given up three the last two

16:38 Games at that left tackle spot. So he looks a lot more comfortable at that left side

16:42 You give him some some credit for battling there

16:44 and then

16:46 But some weaker performances in the interior of that offensive line

16:50 Moffey david andrews had probably one of his worst games of the year

16:54 But uh, yeah, i'll give some credit to vaderian low there

16:57 It's kind of been a pattern

17:00 With with the patriots this year like city so

17:04 Early on struggled got benched came back was better. Uh, and now you're seeing it with uh,

17:10 cole strange to cole strange struggled early

17:13 Benched hurt but like had some time off the field came back was better. Now you're seeing with vaderian low

17:19 Yeah, they're they're look they're gonna need

17:22 Every kind of tackle starters backups all that so i'm not saying he's he's solving all their problems at the left tackle position

17:28 You know for the next 10 years, but to see a little bit of growth

17:30 Can he be your your third tackle your swing tackle your your lady and wallow kind of guy?

17:35 Moving forward. I I kind of thought that was his role when he was coming out in the draft

17:40 And if he keeps making some strides, yeah, he he has the makeup to be a serviceable backup tackle. It was really just

17:46 I I I think it's the physical skill to do it

17:49 A lot of his approach the first few games was weird like the way he'd handle certain moves

17:54 The way he'd react to certain moves and you just he looked a lot more confident in what he was doing

18:00 In terms of what he was seeing and how he was reacting to it and that can go a long way. So

18:03 I in that sense, I think it's encouraging what you see from him and maybe all right

18:07 Maybe you can check backup tackle off the list for this offseason. Yep

18:10 I mean, he's still a young inexperienced player for the most part. So

18:13 you hope

18:15 Like if he wants to be your third swing tackle, he's gonna have to play better on the right side

18:20 So whatever that issue is they're gonna have to check that off because he can't have him being

18:24 A serviceable backup at the left tackle, but then if your right tackle goes down

18:28 He's just going to be a turnstile there. Like do you need him to be?

18:30 serviceable on both sides if he wants to be that third tackle, so

18:34 Uh, maybe that's a point of emphasis for him in this offseason is whatever the issue there is on the right side fixing that

18:41 and getting some of those kinks out but

18:43 Uh, the other promising thing on the offensive line was we saw jake andrews for the first time this year on offense

18:50 he had 13 snaps there at left guard and

18:53 I mean for getting thrown into the fire against ed oliver and your first ever offensive snaps

18:58 I thought it was pretty impressive a few pancakes in there

19:01 so wouldn't be surprised maybe if he gets the start next week for antonio mafi who he replaced that left guard there, but

19:08 Just for for your first nfl action this late in the season. It was pretty impressive from jake andrews there

19:14 Yeah, it you know

19:16 They took him in the fourth round and it's a little upsetting that it took this long for him to play offensive snaps

19:20 Especially with all the injuries they had on the offensive line, but better late than never

19:23 I I hope he gets to play next week

19:26 So we get a chance to see what he looks like and kind of evaluate him moving forward

19:29 Especially if you know on the off chance david andrews retires

19:32 Jake andrew's going to be the next guy so we get a much better idea for the teams getting into with him. Yep

19:37 Would would be a a good look against that jets front too

19:42 Like if you go at oliver to that jets front for your first two nfl games and it's uh,

19:47 you have some decent showings that would be promising going into the offseason, but

19:51 uh, the only other

19:53 Offensive thing I had in my notes was pop douglas

19:56 I know we only had three catches for 31 yards and one of them was that screen where he probably ran like 60 yards, but

20:03 I thought it was another good game from him. I wrote down

20:06 three or four other plays where he looked really wide open but just

20:11 the protection broke down or bailey couldn't get on the ball and then

20:15 He even had that kind of diving catch where if zappy hits him in stride, he could have maybe housed

20:20 Yeah, so I thought it was just you know, we say it a lot

20:22 He's the bright spot on offense this week

20:24 but just another good game from from pop there and that's promising because he again looks like

20:29 Part of the answer here going forward on offense. I I honestly also thought and I agree with you on pop

20:34 And I think people know how I feel about this at this point, whatever the offense looks like next year

20:38 He needs to roll in it. Absolutely

20:40 I I thought

20:41 It to like what you said like looking kind of away from the ball and and you know

20:46 What were guys doing when the ball wasn't coming their way the interception aside? I thought jalen reager played well

20:51 Yeah, I thought there were a couple times where he was open and zap either you didn't see him or like you said the production

20:55 Protection broke down or something. Uh, i'm not saying jalen reager is going to solve all their wide receiver issues

21:00 He's not but

21:02 You know, you haven't you haven't come to camp next year. He's battling for your you know, fifth wide receiver spot

21:07 You also know he can return kicks. He's good at that

21:10 Yeah, yeah i'd i'd bring him back for another year and see what that looks like

21:14 Yep, is he under contract next year? Is he still he's still on his rookie deal, right?

21:19 Yeah, but I think this is it

21:22 I'm, actually here. Let me see. Uh

21:25 He signed a yeah, no, he's he's a he's a pending free agent. Yep

21:30 Yeah, he I mean that catch downfield was extremely impressive kind of that

21:36 Oh, that was a great catch ask it catch like that late adjustment. That was really impressive and

21:42 I mean, I don't know what tycon thorn's future is going to be here next year

21:46 but if you just need that rotational guy at the bottom of your depth chart speed burner type of guy like

21:51 Uh, he might not be a bad guy to have in that role. But yeah, thorn is no guaranteed money on his contract

21:57 So I would not say it's a lock him coming back and I mean that could be a battling camp

22:00 Those two guys for one spot that certainly could be the way it goes. Yep

22:05 you could definitely see that but

22:07 Uh any other uh notes you had from zappy?

22:10 Patriots offense in that one or we can kick it over to the defense

22:14 Oh, yeah, we can move over to the defense. All right, let's do that

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23:01 All right, you mentioned it in the beginning there but another positive performance against josh allen who

23:11 has kind of bullied the patriots the past few years, but

23:15 They made it difficult for him and he was not good and i'm sure you had a big smile on your face

23:21 Watching that game. I think he well completed 50 of his passes

23:26 He had about the same stat line that he did in the wind game. It was very close

23:30 Yeah, so it was not a good performance from him. They did a good job

23:34 You know, jonathan jones has been awesome down the stretch here. He did a good job taking away stephon diggs

23:40 They brought a lot of pressure and josh allen was not good against the pressure

23:44 He would if you take

23:46 That 51 yarder away to dalton kinkade, which was kind of an aggressive blitz call

23:50 But if you take that one away, he was one for eight for nine yards in a sack against the blitz

23:55 So I thought it was a good game plan against him

23:57 It was a little different from the one earlier this year

24:00 They played a bit more man and did some other things mixed in there as well

24:03 So the fact that you get two positive performances against josh allen this year, uh,

24:08 Kind of an encouraging sign within this division

24:11 Oh, absolutely. And there's a lot of the guys that are key in this christian barmore. I thought keon white had an unbelievable game. Um,

24:17 You know, they're good mac wilson. They're probably gonna be back next year. Wilson's the only one's free agent

24:23 So there's no reason I think he can't keep this going or at least force him to beat you another way

24:28 Yeah, I thought it was another great plan on allen. They got in his face. He was very sped up

24:32 Uh, and he he struggled from the beginning he takes that early sack and then he sails the next two passes

24:38 He was not it wasn't much of a factor as a runner either. He obviously had the two like

24:42 quarterback sneak touchdowns, but he wasn't

24:45 Killing you with his legs, you know running all over the field. I I thought they were great against allen in this game

24:51 Yep, keon white made a few really athletic plays. He on white

24:55 Allen from scrambling. Yeah, he's like 6 2 90 and he's hanging with josh allen in the open field. That was awesome. He was

25:02 He showed you like his physicality-ness some of those pass rush moves like he just

25:07 Swiped the left guard's hand out of there one time qb hit and then his his athleticism to keep up with josh allen

25:14 Like he's really starting to come on here and that's a real encouraging sign down the stretch and

25:20 You know, we'll see what the coaching staff looks like here going into the off season

25:24 but if you give him a full off season maybe with demarcus covington and joe kim there to

25:29 Really refine and retool that that pass rush toolbox or whatever you want to call it. He could be a really

25:35 Interesting player to watch coming into into next year with these flashes that he's shown you at the end here

25:41 yeah, it's and there's a there's gonna be a theme here when we talk about some of these rookies on defense and what they did but

25:48 They're gonna need more of an edge presence next year with some of the guys that are pending for agents and keon white is doing

25:53 A great job here of closing out season strong and setting himself up for a role next year

25:57 Yep, and you know pat stats brings it up here

26:01 Yeah in the chat like some of the other rookies mapu alex austin who I think alex austin was the other big one here because

26:08 Really nice interception kind of fading off that post and coming back to high point that

26:14 That ball first career interception probably felt good for him too because he got drafted by buffalo

26:19 And they released him earlier this offseason. So coming back

26:22 to do that and you know, there's still some rookie moments looked like he was at fault for

26:27 that uh kind of lawn and completion of stephon diggs there looked like he might have been needed to be helper there, but

26:34 There are some encouraging signs here with some of his play as of late some of the physical tools like he's 6-1

26:40 He's got some length to him and we've talked a lot about that need for that third boundary

26:45 Cornerback or some cornerback depth and maybe alex austin is working his way

26:49 Into a role for next year and maybe like it's one less thing you need to prioritize or have on your to-do list this offseason

26:57 They are going to need a third boundary corner because you're gonna have john jones christian gonzalez

27:03 Who's that third guy who's in that jason mccordie role?

27:05 And at this point you got to bring alex austin back just bring him into camp. Let him compete for it

27:10 I I think that would be a really good idea you get that done before he hits the market and i'm not saying he'll

27:14 Necessarily win it, you know, he's had a couple good games

27:16 We'll see but certainly a guy i'd like to see back in camp next year and I think would have the inside track competing for

27:22 a role

27:23 Yep. I mean if you have him

27:25 Sean sean wade, I think is still under contract and then isaiah bolden and you hope maybe just one of those guys can have

27:31 Right good enough camp where you feel like those are three

27:35 Pretty talented guys if you can and young guys if they could just put it together and maybe check that box off. So

27:40 Uh, that's encouraging but I mentioned it briefly

27:44 But I have to give a shout out to john jones too in that secondary because he's just playing outstanding ball

27:48 Lately even battling through a knee injury and he had another good performance against stephon diggs there on sunday

27:54 Yeah, he was awesome again. He's quietly had a great season

27:57 It's going to be really fun to see him and christian next year and hopefully we get a full season

28:03 Yeah, did we how much did we see them together this year? Because didn't jones miss games at the beginning?

28:08 We might not have seen them

28:11 at all did at all because

28:13 No, because john jones didn't he play in the opener and then he got hurt in practice the next week

28:20 Maybe i'm pulling up his game log right now. I'm trying to find it. Uh

28:24 Because I know he like he spent the whole summer pretty much battling that knee injury

28:30 So we saw it once he played 80 of the snaps in the opener and then he was inactive the next three weeks

28:36 Including the dallas game and that's obviously back against the same hurt. So

28:40 Yeah, we saw one game of the two of them together. Yeah

28:43 So that'll be that'll be fun to watch considering

28:47 John jones doesn't fall off or something

28:50 uh this offseason, but

28:52 uh

28:54 I have to bring this one up to ash and talk about some bills

28:57 Hey, stephane diggs does look pretty washed right now and I wouldn't be surprised if he's asking his way out of buffalo this offseason

29:04 Does he look washed or does he not have a quarter? Does he not have a quarterback who can get him the ball?

29:07 Yeah, does he just look kind of checked out? But I will say carvin's right here

29:12 Historically and I talked about this before the season when I talked about the bills window closing

29:16 diggs

29:19 30 years old, right the

29:21 Numbers suggest a steep drop off when receivers turn 30 receivers rarely produce from the age of 30 and on

29:28 I think there's only been like five guys in the last 10 years that have put up, you know

29:32 Substantial numbers as a 30 year old wide receiver. So

29:34 That bills windows. I mean it's slamming shot. It is slamming shot and alan's getting paid now

29:41 So that's going to impact them on the cap and digs I think is probably on the back end of it. So

29:46 Yeah, I I think you saw the real buffalo bills in that game. I think that's who the bills are this year

29:51 I I really do and you know, they still might win the division. I get that especially now that miami's losing everybody due to injury

29:58 But I think that's who the buffalo bills are. Yep

30:00 wouldn't be surprised to see them take a receiver first first round second round early in the draft and maybe move on from digs there, but

30:08 Time will tell on that one. But any other notes?

30:11 Uh anything specific you want to point out there defensively?

30:16 That we didn't talk about

30:18 Um, I think that was all my defensive notes. Uh,

30:22 Yes. Yeah, i'm good. So

30:25 Quickly, we can wrap up with special teams before we get over to some college football talk

30:30 Jalen rager awesome kick return. There are some big blocks farrell brown matthew slater

30:36 my whole thing watching this is like what took so long to get jalen rager back there at kick return duties because

30:44 Since he's taken or it's with returners who have at least six returns

30:48 so it's a low stat obviously, but he's leading the league with averaging over 34 yards of return and

30:53 We watched ty montgomery who I think we both like ty montgomery as a player

30:58 But they just misused him in all the wrong ways here. Like he wasn't a good kick returner

31:03 He got past the 25 yard line once and it was in week one

31:06 So what took so long to put a speedy jalen rager back there in this role?

31:10 And now you're seeing kind of the dividends pay off of that man. It's the whole year

31:14 What took him so long to put martin mappu at linebacker?

31:16 Why was atonio mafi playing over jake andrews? I didn't see get more work earlier in the year. That's the whole season. It's player usage

31:23 That's a big part of it. So you remember last year took him forever to get marcus jones returning punts

31:28 yeah, it's it's it's crazy to think about but

31:32 You know, he's there now and you hope moving forward to next year. He

31:36 He kind of locks into that role if he makes a team. Yep. You imagine it's

31:40 Him if he makes a team or isaiah bolden probably the leaders in that kick return, right clubhouse going forward

31:46 But uh, that was an awesome play some key blocks and good move by him to kind of bounce off the returner and keep his balance

31:53 there so

31:54 that was impressive, but uh

31:56 chad chad rylan missed another field goal 47 yarder

32:00 Should have missed the 53 yard field goal too. But you know got wiped out because of a delay a game

32:06 I just I just don't know anymore with him like cam aker talked again this morning and he said

32:11 He's kicking well in practice. They're giving him the confidence to put him out there, but it's just not

32:15 Translating to the game field. So I guess at this point we're still just

32:20 Go get away for a month in the offseason and come back

32:24 And you're going to be competing against someone at this point

32:27 So just try to have a good summer and get back to the kicker

32:31 You showed you were at college and try to get back on track here

32:35 yeah, they

32:36 definitely need a uh

32:38 They need to bring somebody else in and look there wasn't a great snap on that kick

32:41 but it's just time and time again and the operation's a mess and you had the delay a game and all of that they

32:47 They might have missed they really might have missed and like you said they just got it

32:51 Even if it's a udfa they got to get somebody in and have some sort of plan b

32:55 Honestly, i'd go with a veteran i'd go try to get somebody proven try to find the next

33:00 They had matt right here. Then they just let him go. He's not really like a veteran like he

33:05 Like an older veteran. Yeah, I you know find the next nick fulk is a bit strong

33:11 He's been one of the best kickers for the last three years

33:13 They signed a mid-season off the street, but somebody's been in the league somebody's had success in the league

33:18 You know over a sustained period of time who maybe like hasn't been as good the last year or two

33:23 And and I try to get in a guy like that

33:26 I don't know who the free agent kickers are off the top of my head, but I try to make a move like that

33:31 Looks like greg zurlein brandon mcmannis. Yeah, somebody like that

33:35 those guys might command a little bit like actual money at the at the position, but

33:39 joey sly

33:42 Chase mclaughlin

33:43 Those are those seem to be the veterans. Yeah, i'd be surprised still hang on right who?

33:47 matthew prater

33:50 He's on the cardinals still I believe

33:52 yeah, I don't know like maybe he's a guy if he's gonna come back you call and

33:59 Just I saw a lot of people on twitter going for the ban the kicker yesterday

34:03 Like i'd be pretty surprised if they go rookie kicker

34:06 again here to right and you don't everybody complaining about oh, they drafted a kicker too high and then saying you want will ryker will

34:12 Ryker is going to be

34:13 K1 in this draft. Like yeah, you're talking about a top 150 pick

34:17 for for uh ryker, so

34:20 I if you really want to I mean he wouldn't necessarily be a bad pick in his own right. I think he's a good player

34:27 But are you going to use you know high draft picks on a kicker back to back like that?

34:31 That's what you have to consider. Actually. I should take that back. He might be k2 harrison mevis from from missouri's up there

34:37 It's going to be the two of them. Yep

34:39 yeah, so

34:41 There should be competition at some point. You hope

34:44 Rylan can just get back on track maybe after a month off or whatever happens in the off season and then you know

34:50 It can just be your kicker going forward. So it's not a waste

34:53 of a draft pick but that's a

34:55 something to circle back to in july and august as we watch those training camp practices, but

35:00 Uh, I believe that's it for pat's bills unless you had anything else

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36:20 So

36:22 All right, so two awesome awesome college football games last night michigan alabama texas washington

36:33 how about the special teams units making some huge impacts on those games punters kickers, but

36:40 Uh, two awesome games some awesome quarterback play from michael pennex late at night

36:46 Uh, I guess which game you want to start with michigan because it was first. We can just go chronologically. Yeah, right. So michigan alabama

36:52 came down overtime

36:54 Kind of a slow game at first there as you know, it was a big battle in the trenches

36:59 But then they got going at the end there

37:01 uh, jj mccarthy

37:03 jalen, milrow

37:05 What what'd you take away from that one?

37:07 Uh, so I I thought you know

37:10 michigan's defensive front is unbelievable

37:13 That was my biggest takeaway. I look alabama couldn't snap the ball at all

37:17 even

37:19 and that that's a self-inflicted wound and I you know, i'm

37:22 screaming at the tv and

37:24 Put your fourth and three you can't snap the ball. You can't block anything you go quarterback dive

37:31 Are you freaking kidding me? Tommy reese?

37:33 but

37:34 I

37:35 Snaps aside even when they were able to snap it. I I thought michigan's defensive front just did such a good job in this game

37:42 Uh, you know a lot of good players up there chris jenkins the defensive tackle. He'll be a top 50 pick

37:47 He thought it a really good day. Um, and then blake horne. Blake. Horne's the real deal like blake corn

37:53 I don't want to hear I know they're talking about jj mccarthy's greatest michigan quarterback, you know since break the bar's not that high

37:59 It's chad. Henny. That's kind of it, you know, jake ruddock. So

38:03 Yeah, I I thought blake corham made a push to be a top 50 pick

38:07 He's going to be a top 100 pick made a push to be a top 50 pick because he just absolutely took that game over

38:14 Uh in a way you don't see running backs do that much anymore

38:18 Even in the college game even from a big 10 team against bamma too like that right against that alabama defense

38:24 I I thought he was really good. I was really impressed with roman wilson, too

38:26 Again, it kind of felt like jj mccarthy was along for the ride

38:29 He had that one nice throw where he was rolling to his left and came back and crossing through to the right but

38:34 You look he gets bailed out on the tip ball by roman wilson on one of them. Um,

38:38 You know, there's the other one the pass back that you know, he made a decent play on but again, that's still a great catch

38:44 Uh, yeah to me the defensive front

38:47 uh, uh roman wilson blake corham massive winners in this game

38:52 On the alabama side. I was hoping we'd see more from jalen miller

38:57 I don't think the play calling helped him a ton, but he definitely left some plays on the field. I mean the fumble

39:02 Is costly that's an avoidable play

39:05 um

39:06 I thought jc latham did not have a great game

39:09 The the tackle who we've talked about is kind of maybe being a 10 to 15 pick

39:13 Maybe he falls a little bit off that because he got hurt too. Yeah, but he got bullied at times. Um

39:19 And yeah, but you know, I I think you come away from it again

39:24 I was the most impressive blake corham that he was a dude. He was a dude in this game. He was excellent

39:29 Yeah, blake corham and roman wilson were my two kind of takeaways from that game like that

39:33 Catch two by roman wilson at the end there like that was really impressive really good athlete, too. So

39:39 I know no one wants to hear

39:41 Running backs or I guess just based off twitter. Evan doesn't want to hear

39:44 About everyone refuses to let me say blake corham's good. It doesn't have to even have to be in context of the patriots

39:50 Just wait till they draft them in the third round or with their first pick in the third round or whatever and right?

39:56 Everyone loses their well, I don't know. I had originally said like hey, maybe you can get him with like, you know around

40:00 Where you got remandre stevenson? I don't think that's happening now

40:02 Yeah, so I mean he's he's a good player, but I don't know if

40:07 Patriots should be investing that pick in a running back

40:10 But maybe roman wilson and that you know third fourth round range could be a good receiver to look at but yeah

40:16 Yeah, i'm kind of out of the athleticism. They need a receiver certainly. Yeah. Yeah

40:20 I'm kind of I think I was already out on chay mccarthy and that game certainly didn't reel me back into yeah

40:26 He didn't play particularly. Well, he got bailed out should have thrown an interception off the jump, right? And then yeah, that was crazy

40:33 You know who you know

40:34 Watching that felt a lot like it felt a lot like watching bailey's happy where like there were two or three

40:38 Individual plays I was like, all right

40:40 Like that's pretty cool. But then as a whole I was like this guy's really just not doing anything

40:46 He's not seeing the field right and that's not to say he's not draftable

40:50 I mean, I think jj mccarthy's draftable. I think there's some upside there, but he's just he's so far away at this point

40:55 That's a guy you draft to bench for a year maybe two and uh, you need a real legit bridge guy

41:02 So maybe there's teams he's a fit for on day two not the patriots patriots need a day one starter

41:06 I still see minnesota taking him like sitting behind kirk cousins if he's healthy for a year

41:12 Yeah getting with like that kevin o'connell shanahan kind of

41:16 System a guy with some athleticism and I don't know. I'm I think the niners if they think there's any chance

41:22 They're not gonna pay brock purdy. He'd be the perfect guy to step in

41:25 Yep, and I have another guy I want the vikings to take well assuming the patriots don't take them, but we'll get to him pennex

41:30 Yeah him throw. Oh my god him throw all the justin jefferson

41:35 That would be on him down the field. That's unstoppable

41:38 Him addison and hawkinson that would be with pennex thrown to him. That would be fun. But that would not be fair

41:45 Yeah, let's get to it

41:47 the late night game 37 31 almost a monumental collapse by washing there, but

41:53 uh, we'll start with pennex because he was just throwing javelins all over the field just

41:59 We we've talked about the arm talent a lot and he was just slain in it last night. The thing to me that was

42:06 Excuse me

42:08 that was most impressive was his movement in the pocket because

42:11 We haven't like he was looking like he did kind of in his indiana days

42:14 We haven't seen that a lot this year creating kind of out of structure, but he was moving around back there a lot

42:20 He was under a lot of pressure from that texas defensive front and he handled it

42:24 Absolutely perfectly and he was just ridiculous last night

42:28 And and not just the movement in the pocket, but as a runner just as an outright runner

42:32 I've tried to tell people who tell me he's immobile

42:35 It's not that he can't run. He doesn't do it

42:39 He's a pass first quarterback and he's had some knee injuries and I think he's a little hesitant

42:42 But what a perfect time I said what he needs to he can do it

42:46 What a perfect time to break it out in a playoff game the new little wrinkle and he was effective doing it

42:50 And then yeah what he did as a passer. I mean that is one of the best

42:54 Quarterback games I have seen in my six years really, you know watching these guys

43:00 His draft prospects. I mean he's putting the ball

43:03 They don't have the option to not catch it

43:06 He's just putting the ball on guys hands before they can even get him up and you know the throw to odun's up to seem

43:13 Uh, the the was it the mcmillan the one where he splits the safeties just zips it between them

43:19 The great throw to polk to open the game, by the way, jalen polk had himself a hell of a night

43:22 Yeah, that guy did himself a lot of favors. I think when it comes to the draft, uh, you know, just again just dots

43:29 I I still believe this michael pennex has the best pure arm talent in this draft. There is not a better

43:36 Thrower of the football in this draft than michael pennex and you know what probably the last two drafts

43:42 I think he's a better thrower of the football than anybody who went last year

43:46 And certainly a better throw of the football than anybody who went in that, you know, kenny pickett drafts not saying much but still

43:52 now

43:55 That's not to say he should go 1-1. I think him being 24 is a legitimate not red flag, but you're talking

44:01 Forget like growth

44:04 When you sign him to a second contract, he's already gonna be 30

44:06 which is

44:08 You know for you're drafting for the long term versus a guy like a like a drake may who's gonna be 21

44:14 Caleb williams gonna be 20. That's a different conversation. I get that. I understand that that's gonna knock him down

44:18 And the the injury history is real the injury history is real and you have to consider he's a four

44:23 Season ending injuries before the last two years

44:25 The guy might have some durability problems and if you're a bad team drafting that high you probably don't have a great line

44:30 And this is a guy you need to take care of

44:33 That all being said and we talked about this last week brian

44:36 His whole thing in this playoffs and we'll see what he does

44:41 Texas defense is pretty good top 20 defense in the nation. Michigan's number one. So we'll see what he does against michigan, but

44:48 the the whole thing for me with him

44:51 is kind of

44:54 Can he prove that all those red flags are worth taking the chance on because he's just so good. He can't pass

45:00 And that game last night

45:03 is kind of the point is kind of exactly that where you're looking at that and

45:07 yeah, I know he has the knee injuries, but

45:09 Just the again the the thing that always comes back to me. The phrase is putting it you hear you hear

45:15 Uh, you know talk about quarterbacks putting it on a guy

45:17 right, which is

45:20 You know when the quarterback throws the ball

45:21 How much does the receiver have to adjust how much does the receiver have to go outside his catch radius or things going outside?

45:26 His catch radius, you know, how much effort does he have to make to get to where the ball is?

45:32 Michael panics. It's not like he's putting the ball in the area and these guys are making these great catches

45:36 It's right in the it looks like a glitch. It's right in the breadbasket every time there's times

45:41 I thought the ball fell incomplete because I didn't see the wide receiver even make a motion to go out and catch the ball

45:46 Because the ball's where his hands already were. He's like he's like throwing at the nets or in trash buckets. It's just right. It's unbelievable

45:53 so I I still

45:56 Struggle to put a hit him ahead of caleb williams

46:01 I I I'm he's in that tier with drake may and jane daniels

46:06 I I would worry with the patriots with the offensive line like your next pick has to be a tackle

46:11 And you gotta go get a tackling freedom. So you can't have this guy taking hits

46:15 but there's a

46:17 I I think the question was

46:19 We know there's a gap from one to two from caleb williams to either

46:22 Whoever, you know you wanted whether it's drake may or jane daniels. We know there's a gap from one to two

46:29 I think the gap from one to two is bigger than two to three, but it's really

46:33 The big this might be a four qb draft

46:36 I I was red in the face all week last week when everybody was upset about the patriots winning saying he was a

46:40 Three-quarterback draft not two it might be four

46:44 It might be you might have if if michael pennix shows up against michigan

46:50 The way he showed up against texas and then clears all the medical testing at the combine

46:55 I don't see how he gets out of the top 15 because the talent is just too

46:59 It's it's too immense. It's it's it's he is what?

47:04 Every team wants in a passer and I just don't think you're gonna get that many teams passing on him that many times

47:12 Yep, he's definitely assuming the medicals which is the big thing check it, right?

47:16 And that's the caveat on all this like yeah, because I saw some people say oh well, you know

47:20 If something happens where he falls to the second, do you maybe take him then I think I mean something happens

47:26 You're out right feel how you want to feel i'm all or nothing on michael pennix if he clears the medicals

47:31 He's a first round pick. There's no question about it. If he doesn't clear the medicals. I don't really want him

47:37 I don't want a guy with with too bad knee and when I say I don't really want him if he falls like the sixth

47:41 Round sure you could do the the rg3 kirk cousins thing

47:44 But i'm not touching him in the top 150 if he has paper machetes

47:48 I that i'm that way about any prospect. Yeah, but yeah, it's not like oh, well, you know, there's a little red flag in the medicals

47:56 So you take him in the second round? No, no, it's he

47:58 If you want him you take him it's that simple if he's worth taking he's gonna go

48:03 That's just the reality of it and it's not exactly apples to apples, but you think all right, you know

48:08 If if there's a flag on the knee injury, how bad can it be?

48:11 Certainly looks like the patriots may have ignored a red flag on judy smith-schuster

48:15 you've seen how that's kind of turned out so

48:18 If he clears great, if not

48:20 You you find somebody else. That's just what you do. Yep

48:23 He's definitely working his way into the first round with all that. Yeah

48:27 I mean I saw people last night saying he should be the first quarterback taking off the board and we need to like not be

48:34 A prisoner of the moment that much a little bit but I think on pure talent. There's an argument for it

48:40 Okay, but that's just not how the draft works, right?

48:43 Like as just if you watch that game last night and you know, nothing else about him

48:48 Yes, that is qb1 arm talent

48:51 but

48:53 You the age and injuries are they're a part of it. That's just how this thing works

48:56 They are a part of it. And when you have a guy in caleb williams who's 20 years old and is making some of the plays

49:03 He is

49:04 Yep, he's gonna go in terms of the what you have to think of the traffic as like a long-term investment, right?

49:10 You're talking about another three or four years

49:12 You're talking about a whole other contract is the difference between caleb williams with his age and michael penex with his age

49:18 Especially with his injury history. That's that's the difference to me

49:20 and you mentioned

49:22 He'll need an offensive line because of the injuries. Yeah, does the hole he's throwing to three

49:28 Nfl caliber wide receivers. Where are you at all? Because we went through all this with mac

49:33 obviously the last cycle that that alabama offense was stacked and

49:37 You know penex is thrown to

49:40 A guy who might be a top 10 pick a guy who maybe polk gets into the first round now and jaylen mcmillan might not

49:45 Yeah far behind him. So

49:47 Is that something?

49:49 You know, he's got a really good setup there in washington from the offensive line to the receivers

49:52 Does that worry you moving forward too?

49:55 I mean

49:56 Look, I I understand why people are worried about that with mac jones and i'm not saying it's not a factor

50:00 But if that's disqualified

50:03 I would say show me a quarterback in this draft that doesn't have an all-star cast

50:08 You know, kayla williams is may it's just right drake may is the only one so and if that's your take if you say I

50:13 Want a guy who would earn it? I want a guy who would earn it. I want a guy that played with crap

50:17 I want you know, 2010 cam newton at auburn where none of the other 10 offensive starters even played in the nfl and

50:24 unc is better than that tez walker's legit namari and hampton

50:27 Uh, he'll be in the draft next year where he's going to be one of the top running backs in the draft

50:31 drake may is your guy then because

50:35 Caleb williams is throwing a three top 100 picks. Just two of them are underclassmen

50:39 So they won't be in the draft this year. That's why we're not talking about his supporting class as much

50:42 Uh, you know quinn ewers. I actually think texas' skill position players are better than washington's

50:47 Dune's day is the best of all of them, but

50:49 Xavier worthy kind of got shut down last night, but you saw what ad mitchell can do

50:52 I thought jatavian sanders had a very good game. Uh, we know who

50:56 Michael pennex is throwing to bo nix is throwing a two top 100 picks

51:02 You want to throw j.j. McCarthy in there? We just talked about roman wilson and really it's the running game

51:06 That's carrying that team and he's got two of you know

51:09 Probably the five first running backs to go off the board this year and blake korman donovan edwards behind him

51:14 I don't know who else am I missing like it's every

51:17 quarterback, uh

51:19 You know cameron ward who kind of surprised came out maybe maybe that's the guy you want

51:23 But he's kind of a risk because he's pretty inexperienced. So

51:26 You can you can worry about that. That's fine

51:30 I just think that that's

51:32 In the age of nil in the transfer portal

51:34 Every top quarterback is going to be playing around is going to be playing with stars because the receivers are going to gravitate to these guys

51:41 Because they want to look better because they want to get drafted higher and it's not easy

51:46 But what I would urge people to do if you're watching

51:49 And this is why it doesn't worry me so much with pennex

51:52 Watch what the quarterback does independent of what's happening around him, right? Because

51:58 He may have a great offensive line. It's not gonna be perfect

52:00 how does he throw when he does get pressure even if it's not that often and

52:04 Let's say he has a 300 yard game, right?

52:06 How much of that was after the catch that's why like I go to bo nix his average depth of target is six yards

52:12 That's the lowest in the country among qualified quarterbacks. So

52:15 He had some massive numbers, but how much of that is him versus the guys around him, right?

52:20 When he's throwing the ball down the field, is it?

52:22 you know

52:24 Is he putting it on the receivers or these receivers just making unbelievable plays and that's why with pennex we just talked about it

52:30 He was making plays against pressure last night

52:32 And it it was the best he has struggled against pressure a little bit this year

52:36 But to do that against that defense, I think deserves some credit and then again

52:40 It's not like roma dunes a jalen mcmillan jalen polk are out here making sports center top 10 catches the whole game

52:48 Every time the ball is put bread basket, right right on them. So

52:53 That you know, maybe the receivers suck

52:55 But if michael pennex gets new england and taekwon thornton's dropping three passes a game

53:00 And you know, davante parker's not jumping for the ball and all that and he's dropping that's not on michael pennex

53:06 It's gonna hurt his staff. It's not on michael pennex

53:09 So I think you really have to look and and you could say the same for all the quarterbacks

53:13 We're talking about pennex here

53:14 but I think you look at caleb williams and there's certainly a good amount on his tape where

53:20 He's making the play and he's putting it on the wide receiver and he's you know handling this and that

53:24 He didn't have a good offensive line. So you get a good idea of what he looks like under pressure

53:27 You have to have to have to look at what the quarterback is doing independent of what's around him forget who the receiver is

53:34 Was the ball on target? Yes or no and with pennex? Yes, it's usually on target even the one

53:40 The one that was tipped and at first I thought the corner tipped it

53:43 No, he got that by the corner and then I think that was mcmillan, right mcmillan tipped it up to himself

53:50 So I you look at what the quarterback's doing independently. Yep

53:54 uh, just very quickly

53:57 quinn yours

53:59 Uh, he's gonna go back to school, right?

54:01 Like he he impressed kind of with his legs

54:03 But as a passer like yeah, it just wasn't a good enough performance against a washington defense that it isn't

54:10 You know, it's been pretty leaky throughout the year

54:13 So I thought they were almost gonna go to arch in that game. They kept showing them on the sideline

54:17 but yeah, I think when yours is

54:19 Whether it's texas or another school looks like he might be going back to the college landscape

54:24 The run game was good. That was impressive. But yeah, I you know, there were some reports that savior worthy

54:29 Was still dealing with that ankle injury. Maybe that's why he wasn't as involved

54:32 There were windows where I thought quinn yours looked really good

54:35 He had that one drive where he's going to jatavian sanders before he checks down to the running back who fumbles

54:40 Obviously the late scoring drive and then you know again to get down the field good throw to jordan whittington

54:46 Uh, I thought you know, uh, the touchdown throw to ad mitch was pretty good the last throw that's on yours

54:51 He's got to put that ball more

54:53 You know

54:53 That's got to be more back shoulder than outside

54:56 And and give him a chance to make a play on the ball. The corner made a fantastic play on that. Um,

55:00 No, I I think we're in texas point of view. Yeah, you're you're probably gonna see yours go back to school. I think

55:05 Jatavian sanders helped this draft stock ad mitchell. I don't know. He helped he maintained it like you didn't have bad game

55:11 Xavier worthy I was looking for more from

55:14 um, and then one more guy who I just thought had a fantastic game in this is jabbar muhammad the corner from washington number one and

55:21 I know I just said worthy was a little banged up but even savior worthy 80

55:24 So damn good player and jabbar muhammad did a really great job on him

55:28 Had a couple of big pass breakups. Uh, that's a guy

55:32 You know, we talked about patriots gonna need like that third boundary corner

55:35 Jabbar muhammad he can play on the boundary. He can play in the slot. He can play a little safety

55:40 you know undersized

55:43 Boundary corner of washington who's probably going to become a multi-positional defensive back in the nfl plays very smart plays very tough

55:50 Maybe isn't the best athlete but makes up for it with his motor. Does this sound like anybody brian? Does this sound familiar?

55:57 I definitely a miles bryant kind of looking guy there and obviously brian's had a good season here

56:03 So yeah, if you caught number one on washington on defense, it's a doomsday on offense

56:07 We caught number one for washington on defense jabbar muhammad

56:10 I I was really impressed by what he did in this game and uh, braylon trice. Well, I was gonna say

56:14 It's probably not a patriots range player, but braylon

56:18 I mean, so braylon trice number eight for washington the defensive end just physical mauling, you know, he had a couple sacks

56:24 He had a couple run stuffs did really well against christian jones

56:27 Who's like a fringe day two day three right tackle for texas?

56:31 How much was bill foaming at the mouth watching braylon trice? I mean, holy like is it looks like prime dietrich wise is

56:40 You know that is patriot, you know

56:41 It's like catholic would say patriot and i'm not saying they should take him because you're gonna have to use your first round pick

56:45 On him, but boy if it's up to bill

56:47 Ah, he's gonna be tempted by braylon trice man

56:50 He's gonna he's gonna go in there and make a case because that was a patriots kind of game from a defensive end

56:56 Yep. He was awesome. That game caused a lot of havoc that I mean

57:00 texas or washington did everything to try to blow that at the end, but yeah

57:05 Some I mean those play calls at the end from sark were pretty bad down near the goal line and then he should have went for two

57:12 Earlier too when they cut it down to seven. I don't know. He must have been watching tommy reese's play calls earlier and uh,

57:18 Right his 40 play script was it wasn't like it ran out of time there. So

57:23 Uh tough ending there from texas, but washington moves on they'll play michigan in the national championship

57:29 The big 10 bowl as i'm i'm calling it next uh monday, I believe so

57:35 That'll be a big one for pennex and all those kind of prospects. We just watched or we just talked about

57:40 excuse me, but

57:42 The patriots will also wrap up their 2023 season finally on sunday

57:47 at foxborough

57:50 With the new york jets coming to town

57:52 A game that could mark the end of a lot of things with bill belichick matthew slater david andrews could be a lot of

58:00 Things coming to an end in this dynasty era for the patriots

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