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00:00:00 The garden report these Celtics are out of the in season tournament. They are not going to Vegas. They are going to come back to Boston and

00:00:08 Look themselves in the mirror Jimmy after

00:00:12 Second half

00:00:15 You're not going to Vegas either. I'm so I'm so sorry to see that

00:00:19 You looked look like even got a haircut. You're ready to go like you had your you probably had your Vegas outfit picked out, too

00:00:26 Shiraz Blakely in the house ready. Yeah, I was so torn coming in this one

00:00:32 I did a preview this morning with Caitlin. It was a great Celtics a great pacers writer and

00:00:38 It felt like it was gonna be a battle between the Celtics ability to handle the ball and be competent on offense

00:00:45 Versus the Pacers inability to defend at all and you saw both of those two different stretches in this game

00:00:51 The Celtics turned it up late in the second

00:00:54 Took that almost 10 double-digit lead there and then the Pacers

00:00:58 took advantage of Celtics sloppiness and

00:01:02 frankly Tatum and Brown

00:01:04 Playing completely disconnected basketball there in the third now. Everyone's gonna come at me and say oh Tatum had what was his final stat line?

00:01:12 32 12 and 6

00:01:15 But he got passive in that second half even late launch in the threes

00:01:21 Didn't draw enough free throws Celtics only shoot for 12 of those to

00:01:24 Indiana's 21 when the Pacers come into this game allowing 28 a game which was last in the NBA

00:01:30 so not a forceful enough effort didn't get the Pacers into mismatches nearly enough and

00:01:35 Kept them within a possession for too much of this game and you knew

00:01:38 Indiana was gonna come in and be able to rip off basket after basket after basket

00:01:42 And then we can get to crunch time which was just a disaster for Boston here. But Shiraz, this is a bad loss

00:01:48 Well, it's a bad loss. But Bobby I think one of the things that we can't lose sight of was

00:01:54 The Pacers just played better basketball

00:01:57 They played harder day to me one of the most telling things wasn't so much what we saw in a court

00:02:02 But some of the things that were said before the game Tyrese Halliburton is a really good player

00:02:08 He talked a lot before the game about how this was the biggest game of his pro career

00:02:13 He talked about it in a postgame when the best player on the team is coming into a game with that mindset

00:02:20 He's going to figure out a way to be as close to the best version of himself as possible and to be honest

00:02:25 I just didn't think Tatum and Brown and most of the Celtics played with the kind of sense of urgency

00:02:30 You need to win a game like this

00:02:31 This is a tiny to me

00:02:33 This is what happens when you go into a playoff series as a number one or number two seed and you're expected to put a

00:02:39 Team away in five or six games and they smack you in the face in game one

00:02:43 and then you have to recalibrate and figure out how to get regain home court advantage and

00:02:47 This is the type of team that they're they're gonna see in the first round of playoffs to me

00:02:51 That's the lesson if you're the boss itself that you take away from this

00:02:54 We cannot and by we I mean the Celtics you cannot go into these games against teams

00:03:00 You know

00:03:00 They're gonna be hyped to play you and just think you can get by with talent alone

00:03:04 Particularly when you're on the road, they were way too cool breezy in this game. I

00:03:09 Felt that Jimmy I did too and the Pacers they're under underrated team right now. They play in indie

00:03:16 They don't get a lot of star, you know, they're getting the National Televised games. They got Albertans

00:03:20 This is how Burton's first TNT game ever in his first team

00:03:23 Which is hard to believe because this guy has been good for a while now now, but now he's gone from you know

00:03:30 Good to like if you're a casual like you you know the name Halliburton I think after tonight

00:03:36 This is a bit of this. This is a coming-out party type game whether it was the three-pointers whether it was the floaters

00:03:41 Man, he just went to another level in the second half there and that four-point play in the fourth

00:03:48 My god backbreaker that was unreal. Yeah, then when that fell I couldn't believe it

00:03:52 So a lot of energy from the Pacers knee Smith's doing his thing out there running all over the place

00:03:59 I think he had a dunk as well

00:04:01 Halliburton Turner's getting involved

00:04:04 You know the Pacers. I think they played a different type of basketball in the second half

00:04:09 I don't know what Carlisle said to them at halftime

00:04:11 but they were probably they were probably a little soft in the first half and

00:04:16 I think Carlisle said listen

00:04:18 If you guys are gonna play soft this Celtics team will beat you because they can play soft too and they can outtalent you

00:04:23 Right, they can score a bit more than you guys can if you're not gonna make them work

00:04:26 If you're not gonna bang down low if you're not gonna be energetic and run up and down the court and make them work harder

00:04:33 They'll run you out the building and so the Pacers came out harder in the second half

00:04:36 Of course Halliburton went into dummy mode and he had some big shots there, but it wasn't just him. It was healed

00:04:43 My guy McConnell was getting crafty out there at times and and you know

00:04:47 Confusing guys out there was a it was a great all-around team ever from Pacers. They deserved it tonight the Celtics

00:04:54 I think thought that maybe they could just went on talent and

00:04:56 It's like mixed. It's like almost like mixed messages

00:05:00 I mean the way that the way that they won the last game where they won by what?

00:05:03 30 and they were kind of like complaining about the one by 50 50. Yeah. Yeah, whatever it was

00:05:09 It was a lot of points

00:05:12 Yeah, and they and they had to and they complained about you know

00:05:15 Having a run up the score and this that and the other thing I'm talking about the in-season game the last in season game

00:05:21 I guess I will oh

00:05:23 Yeah, it's just different. It's different dynamics, you know, it's it's different mentalities

00:05:27 What did I see the Pacers do at the end of the games? It's the ending a tonight Sherrod. What did buddy?

00:05:31 He'll what did buddy he'll do he wasn't worried about

00:05:34 Messing with the basketball gods and all this stuff. It's a killer. He's gonna hit the damn shot. See you guys

00:05:41 You guys just got eliminated. Peace and then

00:05:43 Crying about you know winning by too much

00:05:50 Meanwhile, the Pacers just freaking shot one in your eye just said see you later get the hell off the court

00:05:55 You know what?

00:05:57 For doing that

00:05:59 Not only have we whipped your ass, well, I'm just going just twist

00:06:08 We're gonna be laughing about this on the flight to Vegas and then they came storming out on the court it was crazy

00:06:19 This was a big deal for them. This was a major major moment for them and

00:06:25 Again as someone who has worked with Rick Carlisle and knows how he operates. I

00:06:30 Guarantee you that

00:06:33 Whatever success they have going forward. They're going to look back at this game as the turning point

00:06:38 They're gonna look back at the way their second half in this game

00:06:42 Completely change their seat if they want to be like a top three top four seed in the east

00:06:47 this

00:06:48 second half that we saw tonight is going to be what they're gonna point to as a catalyst because that is when they finally

00:06:54 Figured out and started playing with the same or a similar level of focus and intensity and effort

00:06:59 Defensively what they've been doing off this. It's a meaningful name. I mean we we don't think it is right?

00:07:05 Oh, we didn't we didn't think it was I think some of us have probably been

00:07:08 And the Celtics players not just us Jimmy the Celtics players did not really put a whole lot

00:07:13 I mean they were basically kind of yeah, whatever about this whole tournament thing

00:07:17 All right, pretty much every time they've been asked about it. I mean

00:07:21 Well for them

00:07:22 It's something that is in the way of their ultimate goal

00:07:26 Which is to win an NBA title for them this this tournament even if they won the tournament

00:07:30 They would say all the politically correct things about it

00:07:33 But their goal even then would be to still win an NBA title

00:07:37 Whereas if you're the Indiana Pacers

00:07:38 This is part of the building blocks that you want to have towards being a title contender because you know, you're not there now

00:07:44 They know this but this

00:07:46 Tournament is a step in the right direction for you. Yeah, and that's half the battle and again knowing Rick Carlisle

00:07:53 I think that's a big part of what he really was laying out to them that look this is part of our journey

00:07:58 This is part of our growth to being a great team

00:08:01 We've got to find a way to win this tournament and they're staying in a way that they don't think that this term is that big

00:08:06 A deal we're gonna show them it means something means something to us and then we got to go out there and take it

00:08:10 That's the kind of that those guys had and they played with and somebody tweeted this to me and it's not a complete comparison

00:08:18 but it's

00:08:19 similar mindset to

00:08:21 Elimination game in a way what I mean by elimination game is from the playoffs

00:08:25 I mean obviously getting eliminated from the tournament and the playoffs are different different piece

00:08:29 But you want to create healthy habits

00:08:31 you want to find yourself in these certain situations that you can mimic later on whether it's in the playoffs or

00:08:36 deep in this season or other big games and

00:08:40 Yeah, I'll say this about the in-season tournament. It makes a

00:08:43 regular season game in early December more meaningful and more interesting and more fun and it gives you a little bit more

00:08:49 reason to

00:08:52 Get angry or get fired up if you're not only a player

00:08:55 But if you're a fan, so I will stand corrected a little bit and then I still don't think

00:08:58 The fact that like the prize is the prize doesn't really do it for me, but it does make

00:09:03 The game like the benefits everybody else is that it makes the games more interesting

00:09:07 But for a player it puts you in a situation

00:09:10 That you might find yourself in in the playoffs in a big game moment

00:09:14 Right in a in a elimination type atmosphere on the road hostile environment against the up-and-coming team

00:09:20 Like you said sure odd. This is a classic like first round matchup situation as it stands now

00:09:27 I mean shit who knows the patient could go on a run here, but

00:09:29 That's kind of the vibe I got tonight and it felt like the Pacers or and again Halliburton leading the way

00:09:37 they just

00:09:39 They were just able to sort of like use like their own

00:09:42 Energy and momentum to carry them through those last few minutes of that fourth quarter where I looked at the Celtics were gonna go down

00:09:48 completely quietly

00:09:50 But they just kept their foot on the gas right there

00:09:54 There's just there was just a different sense of urgency by Indiana down a stretch and I know some people want to say maybe

00:10:00 You know, this is like, you know game seven of a playoff series. This was not a game seven playoff series

00:10:07 Approach by either team. I don't think

00:10:09 Indiana

00:10:11 Played what they played their game without any type of pressure team than a second half and the Celtics just played too cool

00:10:18 I this to me this felt more like game one

00:10:21 Pretty deep into their bench, too

00:10:24 Yeah

00:10:25 but this felt more like a game one I was like there's only because

00:10:28 It felt like the Celtics were the team that played as if they you know

00:10:31 They knew that home court advantage was there's going in and Indiana play like a team that wanted to steal it

00:10:36 and that to me

00:10:38 Is what this ultimately came down to Indiana wanted this game more than Boston to me?

00:10:43 You can look at all the stats and all the turnovers and and and you know analytics you want to but the bottom line

00:10:50 Indiana wanted to win this thing way more than the Celtics did

00:10:54 And that to me is the disturbing and concerning part about this

00:10:59 because this was as close to having a playoff like

00:11:03 Atmosphere as you can have in a regular season and the Celtics in their first crack at it

00:11:07 Treated it as if it were you know

00:11:09 Just a normal regular season game

00:11:11 That we got and that to me

00:11:13 It defeats the purpose of getting to the knockout round if you wanted I mean hell if you if that's how you wanted to treat

00:11:18 It just beat Chicago by 15 or 17

00:11:22 It's and not play your guys major minutes and not be in this whole knockout thing

00:11:25 All right, you had four days off over five days going into this one - and Tatum

00:11:30 Yeah, I got the fourth quarter off on Friday. So breast like you took the fourth quarter off for most of this game -

00:11:35 Preparedness nine issue here. The fourth quarter is bad the third quarter loss in the game. I'm sure that's what Joe's gonna say

00:11:42 But pull up threes tough fadeaways for Tatum - he made that one over knee Smith

00:11:48 Turnovers, of course - the issue throughout this game even white got a little loose with the ball in this one

00:11:55 And he had to give away before knee Smith's pretty much door slamming dunk there at the end

00:12:01 So yeah, we mentioned this right here this comment. It was actually healed who took the shot

00:12:05 It was buddy Hills who had this yeah, but to answer the question

00:12:08 Dude, I'm completely fine with it. It's a tournament game. These guys are fired up. I

00:12:13 Think the Celtics can't complain about

00:12:16 Celics want to complain when Nate when they score too much, you know, they were playing when the other team does it -

00:12:24 I

00:12:25 Had no problems with the Celtics running things up early this year

00:12:29 I have no problem with with Indiana doing that Indiana already had the game one and the way here's the thing about it

00:12:34 I don't believe buddy

00:12:36 He'll was trying to score at the very end because remember he had the ball for about three seconds left

00:12:42 and he just raised up and I

00:12:44 About doing it

00:12:48 Exactly. I don't think he's like effort. Yeah, Jimmy. Thank you

00:12:54 He looks pretty happy when he hit the shot

00:12:56 Like he was trying to find that that sweet spot where if it goes in it counts if it doesn't

00:13:05 So I want to go back and watch because there was chirping throughout this game. I love this foul

00:13:11 Yeah, Derek why was Trevor knee Smith followed Tatum on the sideline? You saw it was Shay and Lamar

00:13:16 Screaming at knee Smith right before knee Smith went off to close that game knee Smith did the too small

00:13:22 I think to Jalen, right?

00:13:24 Talking about

00:13:26 Yeah, he did he did the too small after he he scored on on Derek why Derek why says on the back?

00:13:31 chirping but uh, but yeah

00:13:35 Joe was ooh, my guy

00:13:37 Joe Mazzola on the heel three. I don't care. I could care less see Joe. Boom. We dare

00:13:43 Joe's got bigger bigger issues

00:13:46 What's gonna annoy me about?

00:13:49 Super petty if he if he complained about exactly, right? I don't think

00:13:52 He just did hack a drum in a couple

00:13:55 Yeah

00:13:59 What's gonna frustrate me about this game is the Celtics are probably just gonna shrug it off and I said the same thing after Orlando

00:14:06 This should be important to Boston not because they need the 500k or that the trophy's gonna mean a ton

00:14:13 Every step along the way on the way the finals on the way the championship matters

00:14:19 And we're starting to see the Celtics stumble off their hot start here

00:14:22 Once again a bad three-point shooting night can't overcome it offensively missing free throws again

00:14:27 Turn the ball over 18 times. They're loose. They're disconnected and

00:14:32 They're inconsistent right now offensively in a way that has them looking below average on that end now

00:14:38 Friday against Philadelphia

00:14:41 They figured it out late, but that was another bad game for them of late

00:14:45 We can just run it back all those recent games aside from the Chicago one

00:14:50 Which was a dead team walking on the other side

00:14:52 I've pretty much been lackluster offensive efforts for the Celtics 113 against the Hawks. That was a fine win bad night

00:14:58 Against the magic that Bucks win was fine bad night against the Hornets bad night against the Grizzlies bad night against the Raptors

00:15:07 So they've been stacking these up of late and their offense just keeps sinking lower and lower the defense has been fine

00:15:13 I didn't love it in this game

00:15:15 But we're looking at offensive issues for this team right now and obviously poor Zingas is out and that's a big factor

00:15:20 But Brown and Tatum at the point of attack just aren't playing well right now as the playmakers for this team

00:15:25 I don't care how many points they score

00:15:27 They're not gonna get it done just focusing on scoring and the other players miss out when they're just have their head down looking to

00:15:34 Score like this, but you know what? Here's the one guy that I think we're completely, you know, ignoring who I

00:15:41 Got this weird feeling. He's got some health things going on as Derek white

00:15:45 He did not look like himself in a second

00:15:47 Think about this Derek white had five turnovers Derek white of all the guys that can stack up the turnovers

00:15:56 You know

00:15:56 He's the least likely to do that something

00:15:59 Physically has to be wrong for him to have a game like that and to me

00:16:03 I don't think that point should be overlooked or diminished the fact that he was not

00:16:08 Himself because I do believe if Derek white didn't have that ankle

00:16:13 I don't know if the substance would have won this game

00:16:15 But they damn sure wouldn't went out the way they did

00:16:17 Where they just got ran out the gym and basically the last two and a half three minutes of the game

00:16:21 Derek white is he's the glue guy for this team

00:16:24 He's the one guy that they can't ill afford to not be close to his peak play because those other guys

00:16:32 You know Tatum get me think about it Tatum had 30 what 32 points and they lost

00:16:36 Him and Jaylen Brown combined for damage 60 points and he lost but to me this the guy that really who's played I wouldn't say

00:16:44 Hurt them the most but certainly they needed him to be closer to his usual self than he was today's Derek white five turnovers

00:16:51 That's just not Derek white basketball

00:16:53 And I know it and I know it had to do with the ankle because we've seen enough of Derek white to know that

00:16:58 He's not going to turn the ball over make five mental errors out there if there's not some physical dynamic involved

00:17:05 That's just not what he's been about. So he absolutely gets a pass

00:17:09 But I hope that he's he's better

00:17:12 That's to me. That's the silver lining in all this

00:17:15 You've got a lot of days before you have to step out on the court and not only for Brazilians to get help

00:17:20 But also for guys like Derek white get some time down. Yeah, I agree Sharada

00:17:24 It's like we spoke about on the big three podcast, right?

00:17:26 I mean that was my X factor going into this game was

00:17:28 Handed without first that's poor Zing is and the Indiana Pacers are clicking off of the way

00:17:33 I've been you know, the way they've been entering this one you needed him to sort of level things

00:17:38 You know when the Celtics needed especially with Tateman Brown couldn't find their offense it seemed like but in that second half

00:17:44 Especially in that second half. I just feel like Derek just didn't have it and the pieces they knew that I feel like they knew

00:17:49 I mean he was the one guy that was not only

00:17:51 Attacking the rim a lot in that first half

00:17:54 But he was also that guy who was cutting, you know

00:17:55 getting those those easy looks down low and I feel like once that was taken away and you can credit the paces as well because

00:18:01 they did

00:18:02 Adjust the paint because that those two

00:18:04 Back to back alley you to to Luke Cornett that is it? Well with anybody in Indy

00:18:09 So I feel like they were like, okay

00:18:10 We gotta fix that and I think they did that in a big way in the second half and and then uh, you know

00:18:15 When Tatum got going it was just sort of like he was doing a good job getting to the free throw line

00:18:19 but when the pacers got out on that

00:18:22 Fast break over and over again between Halliburton between them getting stops the Celtics turnovers minutes

00:18:29 So this had 14 turnovers going into the fourth quarter and 40 seconds into the fourth

00:18:33 They turned the ball over right then and there not only that I think the subject that chance to lose this but the Indiana Pacers

00:18:38 Was like oh man, we can't had that one out of time

00:18:41 On this golden opportunity man. They did it the cash didn't the fourth and paces didn't really turn it over at all tonight

00:18:48 I think that's it was six

00:18:50 So the turnover differential was huge tonight for them

00:18:54 I mean you have to be more careful with the ball

00:18:56 Their balance of being able to play that fast and that aggressive and not turn the ball over is impressive

00:19:02 Definitely been doing it all year. Yeah

00:19:05 Tonight yeah, and that's that's what frustrates you out of this one

00:19:10 This Celtics offense is supposed to be right up there with theirs teams have been scoring 140

00:19:15 150 against this team like it's nothing and you put up 112

00:19:18 We'll get on they shot horribly tonight Bobby. I mean 29% from from 3 and when you turn the ball over 18 times

00:19:26 It's gonna happen too. So I want to give a quick shout out to fan do before we continue love them right now. I

00:19:33 Hate to say it Jimmy

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00:20:01 So that's the direction I probably would have gone on and going into this one at least from an odd standpoint

00:20:06 But plenty of in-season tournament games to come two more tomorrow. The Celtics are gonna face the loser of the next Bucks game on Friday

00:20:13 So they have three days off coming up here and then they're gonna see another

00:20:18 tough marquee in season tournament team coming up on Friday with

00:20:22 Nothing, but a regular season game to play for so boring. They'll get healthy at least we'll get to poor Zingas

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00:21:25 Calm. Oh, yeah, not a good week for pats Celtics so far

00:21:32 Mmm, maybe the Red Sox can make a splash or something Jimmy. I don't know but I think showing is coming

00:21:37 Let's get to knee Smith. I want to talk a little bit more about him because we got to do a crash

00:21:41 He was quiet early

00:21:44 Yeah, I think he was one of three through 19 minutes then he gets that charge take on white which was a huge play

00:21:50 I want to see what the score was when he did that. It was definitely one possession game

00:21:54 Great positioning underneath there was no doubt about it

00:22:00 And then Pacers went on a little bit of a run after that Matherin had a three

00:22:05 Healed hit that three after Cornette's block that bounced out to him and the Pacers went up nine

00:22:10 Late in the third there and end the quarter up eight and in the forest

00:22:16 So that was a big mountain for the Celtics to have to climb after a 15-3 Pacers run, but it all started with

00:22:22 Offensive followed by white driving in the knee Smith knee Smith blocked hate him later and then to close this game

00:22:28 He had a really nice look at a three that would have put it away even earlier

00:22:32 But he missed it comes back with that dunk over white

00:22:35 Bunch of different layups in the lane some real craftiness driving to the rim against some

00:22:42 Aggressive closeouts by the Celtics and then that exclamation point dunk their tough defense. He's their best defender. He's drawn the most

00:22:50 daunting assignments on the other side and

00:22:52 You can see the chip on his shoulder

00:22:54 We heard it when we interviewed him here in Boston before that game that they played here

00:22:58 He just was very short very frank not sentimental at all

00:23:03 And then you could see in the game like turn to the crowd yelling at them

00:23:06 The chipping chirping with the bench in this one chirping on the floor and then that big exclamation point dunk

00:23:12 He's trying to show that this is always what he was capable of and the Celtics just didn't give him an opportunity there

00:23:21 He said it over and over again. All I needed was a chance

00:23:24 Consistent minutes consistent run. He's getting it here in Indiana and showing what he's capable of

00:23:27 Bobby I'm not buying that. I'm not buying he got an opportunity. He just didn't make the most of it. He got small opportunities

00:23:35 When you play his role to come in for 10 minutes and take two shots

00:23:46 But you know what you do Bobby when you come in for 10 minutes you actually make plays to get 12 minutes

00:23:50 He did that though

00:23:52 Yeah, Bobby you make it a sound like this is like a Chauncey Bill up situation he was traded as rookie season

00:24:00 I mean this guy she had a couple summers in Boston. No, I

00:24:03 Did I I kind of leave it Bobby? I feel like they didn't give him enough consistent opportunity

00:24:09 DNP then he would come in play like

00:24:14 15 minutes off the bench and he would try to do too much because he was trying to earn his time all on one

00:24:19 One game, so I'm not saying he had the right maybe approach, but I don't think the Celtics and it's not just Nisman

00:24:25 I mean, they've had issues

00:24:26 Developing a lot of the guys that they've dropped through over the last decade and he's just another one of them

00:24:31 And and the other thing was he was just on a team that there wasn't an opportunity

00:24:35 You know, obviously we can go to the Pacers that opportunity is there when you jump into the Celtics

00:24:40 They had a team with championship aspirations and he couldn't crack that rotation. So that's just the way it was

00:24:45 That's the bigger issue

00:24:46 The fact is the guys that were ahead of him were better and in Indiana the guys that are ahead of him

00:24:50 There really aren't that many guys ahead of him

00:24:52 Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, what do you mean?

00:24:56 I was a huge

00:25:02 Plate for one of me Smith played at Vanderbilt for one of my all-time favorite players

00:25:08 I've covered Jerry Stackhouse

00:25:09 Jerry is a little bit of an edge guy plays with a little bit of edge to him and so knee Smith

00:25:14 I'm like, I'm all in for knees Smith

00:25:16 But the problem I had with him is when he got a few minutes

00:25:19 He did not maximize those minutes here the guys who played ahead of him is rookie year

00:25:24 Well, Romeo Langford semi-aujouille Grant Williams Jeff Teague Peyton Pritchard

00:25:29 Tristan Thompson Daniel Tice Evan Fournier. So some of those guys like

00:25:33 Veterans you're talking about guys who at his position or more season and more impactful

00:25:40 I was saying that shit at the time that I was wrong. No Romeo fits in that category

00:25:44 So that you've got one out of like what six guys you just named that he's probably he probably should have played

00:25:49 Oh, yeah, I mean you could start played over them

00:25:51 At that time

00:25:57 At that time though Jim, that's how you develop guys. He was like the if you're playing the Bucs

00:26:02 He's gonna give you some minutes against the honest like he was just that was sort of his role

00:26:07 He didn't really have a role. But if he had

00:26:09 shimmy

00:26:11 Lucy carved out a

00:26:18 role or at least not in a row I

00:26:21 Wish he carved out an assignment. When is it?

00:26:25 Here's the thing shimmy was an eight to ten minute guy to do shimmy until he carved out a role for himself

00:26:33 I'm get more minutes. Hey, hey, it was good, dude

00:26:36 The story of that year was very clear. I sat here several of us sat here and said they gotta go for it

00:26:43 They gotta win. They gotta try and make the most of the season and the season had no hope in retrospect because it wasn't a good

00:26:49 team in

00:26:51 Retrospect and I'm sure they would admit it too. They probably should have focused on development

00:26:55 They probably should have focused on getting these guys minutes that year and to John's credit

00:26:59 he was saying it the whole way because it was semi

00:27:01 Romeo and

00:27:04 Whoever ahead of him and 48 who team really wrong about to Jeff T. Yeah. I mean Brad was obsessed with veterans on that team

00:27:11 Sure he was so that's where it went sideways for knee Smith a little bit there early on and then year two

00:27:18 Emae comes in and you know

00:27:22 I thought you may gave him some chances and that team had a lot more at stake once they got rolling there

00:27:26 So that's where you disappear if your hand it's half and half right? They didn't give him enough opportunity

00:27:31 He didn't make a ton of those opportunities and now he's gotten better in Indiana. There's no doubt about it

00:27:37 I mean he wasn't capable of doing these dribble drives here in Boston

00:27:40 You know, I don't think I think most of us agreed like hey, this was bound to happen

00:27:46 Most places right? Maybe he didn't get the this one needed this

00:27:50 This wasn't the fit for him in Boston, but that that happens with a lot of players

00:27:54 But I don't think it's enough for us to say it like, you know, it's gonna turn it

00:27:57 So you get what I'm saying? Like there's a there's like a talent gap or level, right?

00:28:01 If he's to become a fringe all-star so then you can say, okay

00:28:05 Well, it's not this really drop the ball there, but I don't think I don't think that's what we're dealing with here

00:28:08 You know, but hey, I'm happy for him. I don't think this is a I don't know if it would have panned out the same here

00:28:14 in Boston

00:28:15 Especially with the with the guys above him and and the way they were divvying up minutes last season or the last two seasons, right?

00:28:23 Different than moving up in a drafted draft Kelly Olenek and saying yas it into Kumpo go two spots later

00:28:28 So right, right a little different when there's something like that and then we can have a conversation

00:28:32 Let's talk a little bit about Boston's bench because knee Smith comes off has a big night of Indiana's bench in this one

00:28:40 Boston's bench that house. Yeah, he was he was good. They didn't get much else off the bench here tonight

00:28:48 That's been the story most most of the season. I like how they played coming into this one, but Banton gets the first look early

00:28:55 Same deal. It's not much of a shot maker. You pointed that out last show charade that he's

00:29:00 Starting to get in the mix there with Pritchard Pritchard plays most of the second half goes 0 for 5

00:29:05 Cornette everyone's going crazy in the chat. He had that really nice run in the first half. This is a tough matchup for him

00:29:13 He has to switch everything just because of how the Pacers play offensively and I thought he did a decent job

00:29:17 I given how tough of a matchup this is for him. You couldn't play Kata in this one

00:29:22 So there's really not much to complain about with Corsinga's out

00:29:25 But your bench wasn't good enough tonight and you just got blown off the floor in the third quarter and a big reason is they?

00:29:30 Went back to that Brown lineup late in the third and then they go one for seven with three

00:29:34 Turnovers over a stretch where the Pacers shoot ahead and take a big lead into the fourth. So this is a real problem here and

00:29:41 I'm in the John chair. So I guess I have to do it

00:29:46 Brown can't lead these bench units and it's a huge problem. He's just not capable of it right now

00:29:51 He had a really bad season last year doing it

00:29:53 They got away from it a little bit this year and then with white and holiday struggles in this game

00:29:58 It really got pronounced that stretch in the second half where he's out there with the second unit

00:30:02 I don't even know what to say about Jalen right now anymore

00:30:06 Like when he's out there with the full complement of players

00:30:08 he's gonna get his by just kind of you know, finding his cuts and

00:30:13 Hitting threes if he's capable of doing that or you know rolling sometimes which isn't a big part of his game

00:30:19 but otherwise, he just doesn't have a lot of

00:30:22 Opportunities in this offense unless he's just taking the ball and running and shooting which he did in that second half early and

00:30:29 He got blocked twice missed another shot inside

00:30:32 Took another really bad leaning shot from the elbow right out of halftime

00:30:38 So again 30 points looks great, but I didn't think he played well in this when he had zero assists and three turnovers

00:30:44 No, he wasn't. I mean the thing about this game Jalen did not play great. I

00:30:49 Admit that I acknowledge that but he wasn't the reason why I lost

00:30:54 He was part of the reason but he was not the sole reason and sometimes I think we lean on him a little bit too

00:30:59 heavily with that regard they have to figure out how to make him an

00:31:04 Impact player without him having to necessarily score to do so

00:31:08 I I like when he's on the floor with a Sam Hauser who gives him a legitimate

00:31:14 Option to pass to who can actually knock down shots

00:31:17 I like to see those two play more together and remember Bobby we talked about this a few weeks ago

00:31:21 The one guy who seemed to be bringing out the good Jalen more often than not was for saying is yes

00:31:27 That's the one guy that I think if the more those two play together

00:31:31 I think we'll see more and more of the good Jalen as long as porzingis is out Jalen

00:31:36 I think without even realizing it reverse back to some of the bad habits

00:31:40 They let's say it again. This is another thing. I said when they traded for porzingis

00:31:45 We can't sit here in May and say oh porzingis was out

00:31:49 They lost but they would have won if he played because that's what you get with porzingis. He's hurt all the time

00:31:55 So they have to be able to figure out how to function offensively without him out there

00:31:59 And well, they've missed how many games does he miss now? What is it?

00:32:01 They'll be pushing that narrative as a Jason Tatum would say not this year at least but it's so far

00:32:08 Hasn't hasn't been as bad as no

00:32:11 He's been relatively healthy to start the year, but it wasn't surprising that he got hurt

00:32:15 No, but what the thing is the Celtics the more games that he isn't healthy enough to play

00:32:23 The more crystal clear becomes how important he is for them to win

00:32:27 They can win some games without him if I'll question if they've proven that

00:32:30 But over the course of an extended period of time like we're talking five six seven eight games

00:32:35 They're gonna drop a couple of those games in large part because they won't have him on the floor

00:32:40 Not just because of what he does from a production standpoint

00:32:43 But the domino effect that his presence has for those around him Jalen Brown

00:32:47 Specifically is a better player when Chris as persing is in the lineup

00:32:52 It has would the I test the stats test Jalen is just better

00:32:58 and

00:33:00 Why is that I think what I think is a couple reasons when him and for zingers are in a pick and roll

00:33:05 It's kind of scary

00:33:07 Because Jalen becomes exactly what you want the ball handler to do in the pick and roll

00:33:13 You want him to be a dual threat the ability to shoot the floater the ability to throw it up for the lob dump

00:33:19 Jalen seems for whatever reason to be really comfortable

00:33:22 Running that with presenting us and he's a problem because he again he has the ability to knock the mid-range down

00:33:28 He can clearly throw the lob for zingers and for zingers can finish at the rim. So

00:33:32 Not having that type of player

00:33:35 around

00:33:37 it makes Jalen less than his best and

00:33:40 Jalen it just feels as though he's falling back into some of those bad habits of just you know

00:33:46 Like there are at least I want to say at least three or four possessions where Jalen took shots and there was nobody under the rim

00:33:52 Except Pacers players. Yeah

00:33:54 He shoots sometimes Jimmy

00:33:57 Like he hasn't shot in a while and he needs to take his turn

00:34:01 Mm-hmm. A lot of people say that and it's it looks true

00:34:05 Well, yeah, he's right. I mean a lot of times even if he's being double teamed, you know

00:34:10 if he feels like if he feels like

00:34:13 You know things are going his way. He feels he's a couple layups away from turning it around

00:34:17 That's always been Jalen's approach and you know, even in this one

00:34:20 I thought it was interesting how in the last couple of seconds before halftime

00:34:23 It was like the the only time and in his career

00:34:26 I've seen Jalen pass off, you know the the half-court heave or whatever

00:34:30 But it was too little too late and it was an awful pass

00:34:32 But at least his head was in the right place. He was looking for the right. He made the right look

00:34:35 He just didn't have enough time. He put a little too much

00:34:38 Mustard on that pass, you know, I I thought Jalen did some nice things tonight. I liked his aggressiveness early on in the game

00:34:44 I thought he was out in transition. He you know the Thunder

00:34:47 It's the balance between exactly within the flow of the offense and the aggressiveness and when you have zero assist

00:34:53 You didn't strike that balance clearly. No and and that's been a problem. I mean the zero assist is not just tonight

00:34:59 It's been an issue previous games as well. And and I think

00:35:03 You know, you already touched upon it when he said with that second unit

00:35:07 just does try to take it upon himself to

00:35:10 Lead the charge if you will

00:35:13 But again falls into the chun to the habit of I think trying to do too much

00:35:16 Forcing some of those shots some threes tonight that I didn't like from him

00:35:20 I mean he was what I don't know what he ought to for two of seven from three

00:35:23 So again, not a good shooting night. You look at the points you say, okay 30 points 14 of 23 not horrible

00:35:29 But is he giving the game what it needs at certain points - ten tonight and there wasn't

00:35:37 When they weren't out in transition today, they didn't look good like the half-court was out of sorts

00:35:43 I thought it felt like nobody knew

00:35:45 Where they were going who was good. Yeah, it's clunky. That's probably the best word for it and

00:35:51 That's kind of like Jalen Brown I feel like sometimes he's really clunky when he's not just out in transition, you know using his athleticism

00:35:59 Yeah, and these numbers are staggering here

00:36:03 I don't know if these include tonight but clean the glass they got good on/off numbers and when Jalen's on the floor

00:36:09 The Celtics are 11 points worse per 100 possessions

00:36:13 Which is in the 14th percentile of any player in the league last year

00:36:17 They were six points worse with him on the floor, which was 21st. So

00:36:21 Those minutes where he's out there and Tatum's off have gotten even worse. They score seven fewer points per 100

00:36:28 They give up four more points per 100 when he's out there

00:36:33 How much of that is a knock on Jalen and how much that is just Jason Tatum is just playing

00:36:37 unbelievable basketball in more cases in like more so than

00:36:41 The knock is that

00:36:44 He and I'm gonna throw the money out there because that's just how it goes

00:36:47 He's a 300 million dollar player. Yeah, who if the other stars out can't carry the team

00:36:55 Right, and that's the killer right now. And this is what we debated when they signed the deal

00:37:00 Can you pay a guy who isn't gonna be able to carry this team if the other star is out?

00:37:05 300 million it's tough and for him to go in the opposite or worse direction, you know get worse with those numbers this year

00:37:12 it's tough and

00:37:15 I don't know how to fix it

00:37:17 It's it's the biggest problem on this team right now is where he fits in

00:37:21 Where he can help maximize their chances to win and we thought it might be defense six fouls in this game

00:37:27 he gives up that shot to Haliburton and

00:37:30 for point play I

00:37:32 Don't know I've defended him

00:37:35 Over and over again, and I feel like he's been a little better than people

00:37:39 Have made it out to be to start this year, but at night like this, this is tough

00:37:44 I mean he he needed to be better in this one

00:37:47 Great

00:37:51 From charade

00:37:53 I know what you're saying with that Jimmy. This is what I have to do in the John

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00:41:42 One next episode. Yeah. Well, hopefully we got some more coming cuz

00:41:45 Shiraz hasn't had enough meatloaf. I don't think yet

00:41:48 You can never have enough meatloaf in your life. No, you can't I want to see some more quotes coming in from

00:41:55 Indiana I'm interested to see how the players reacted to this one. I'm what's up with holiday Bobby

00:42:00 Yeah, he looks so to me. So there's half but after that kind of dropped off

00:42:07 Yeah, I'm at notes Timberwolves took the top record in the league tonight so holiday came up limping that's another reason I want to see

00:42:14 Some of the quotes coming out of this one right at the end. He smashed knees with someone

00:42:18 I think it might have been knee Smith

00:42:20 So he was shaking up there, but he looks slow to me throughout this one a little bit uninvolved that hook missed early

00:42:26 Rolled right out and he fell

00:42:28 Coming into this game to 45% from 2 which is his lowest mark since

00:42:32 2014 from 2-point range

00:42:36 Pull up his numbers at the room too because I'm sure that's a big part of it

00:42:39 But he's shooting 42% in the field coming in this one

00:42:41 Just 12 points a game which is down from 19 last year. His rebounds are up. It is a sister down as well

00:42:48 Shooting fine from 3 to 38% again didn't shoot well tonight at the three-point line

00:42:54 but that had been a strength for him coming into this one, so

00:42:57 I'd probably just chalk it up to him coming back from the ankle still here and still

00:43:03 Figuring out what his place is in this offense because they started so hot

00:43:06 They hit so many shots early on the schedule and I said it again

00:43:10 How's it gonna look when the shooting comes back down there?

00:43:12 And as you said Jimmy it look clunky tonight

00:43:14 Spacing is not right and it's a lot of guys just trying to jam the ball in in

00:43:19 Isolation backing down to the rim and Tatum did a great job within the first half for Zingas is awesome with it against the mismatches

00:43:26 But it's not a efficient shot for holiday right now as much as he tries to pound away

00:43:32 you know opponents and

00:43:34 Throw up a hook shot or you know that fadeaway three

00:43:37 He shot early was really bad at the shot clock just trying to throw the ball up there

00:43:42 So he's not finding a spot in the offense right now

00:43:44 And I think a lot of that stems from the guys who had the ball in their hands the most hate him and Brown they have

00:43:48 To you know get him involved in plays and get him touches

00:43:52 Backs my dog

00:44:00 That play late - I think it was right before the

00:44:03 The

00:44:07 And one three right I was cruising Twitter. I was looking at quotes and um Derek white

00:44:11 Had just spoken and he took he took a good chunk of the blame for second half

00:44:16 Issues at the Celtics had and I think was Sherrod that you mentioned. Yeah, he Derek just wasn't himself

00:44:22 I mean the five turnovers the defense or lack of defense as say on on Halliburton and again

00:44:28 No, no knock on Halliburton. He's a hell of a player

00:44:31 but Derek didn't provide the kind of resistance that

00:44:35 You're used to seeing him put on guys and with him not being himself drew holiday not being just a shell of himself

00:44:43 That combined against a good player like Halliburton you get nights like this where Halliburton gets the triple-double

00:44:49 So is this something to worry about with with not to go back and forth?

00:44:53 But we were talking about drew and and you know Derek white I'm gonna call that a one-off game

00:44:58 We know what he's capable of we know what he gives him on a night-and-night out basis and when he does it

00:45:02 You can see it tonight

00:45:04 But Halliburton, I mean he was he was shaking drew holiday

00:45:07 When that nice three-pointer that he had he had holiday coming out of his sneakers there for a second

00:45:12 So is that something to be more concerned about is he is he playing through a little bit more pain than we maybe we know

00:45:18 Is this just drew holiday? Is he is he a more more of this type of a

00:45:24 defense

00:45:26 We are we all know about his defense

00:45:28 But is is he less on offense and maybe some of us thought he might be

00:45:31 I'm hoping that the next few days off will be a chance for him to get his body

00:45:37 Closer to being right because I I still think that Jimmy you kind of touched on earlier

00:45:41 I do think that there's still some lingering issues slash effects from just you know the ankle

00:45:47 And hopefully the next four days I help with that

00:45:49 But that that's no reason for him to be as poor defensively as he I thought he was tonight

00:45:55 It's no reason and Derek white as you pointed out Jimmy. I'm with you on that one

00:46:00 I think Derek has earned the right to have a game like this particularly on a night when we saw

00:46:05 some type of physical setback that he suffered that

00:46:10 Happened before he started to kind of play

00:46:13 Poorly and he even he acknowledged that he wasn't very good in the second half

00:46:17 And I I do think that he's gonna probably battling through something and have four days

00:46:22 Before he has to step on the court, which would be great for him

00:46:25 But drew holiday makes me a little bit nervous because remember before they signed him people were pointing in rightfully so

00:46:30 How poorly he played in the playoffs last year and how many were questioning whether he had much if anything left in the tank?

00:46:38 And he comes to Boston and he does some good things early

00:46:41 but he does just enough bad things to make you think that is this a one-off or is this like the

00:46:49 Beginning of the end and I don't have a feel for that. I don't I think there I think drew

00:46:54 Is going to have a number of games like that between now and a playoffs if you're the Celtics

00:46:59 You're just hoping and praying that he gets all that out of his system in the regular season and he can be

00:47:03 That on the ball elite defender

00:47:06 Shot maker when he's open type of player that that has been kind of the hallmark of his career for the most part

00:47:12 So I want to go back and watch it

00:47:14 That's gonna say I think a lot of us kind of had that in the back of our mind going into the season

00:47:19 But what made this situation so much difficult compared to last year was one

00:47:22 You didn't have to be one of the top two players on this team compared to Milwaukee

00:47:25 Like where Chris Milton is falling like that's what they needed him to be. So that's not the case here

00:47:30 so I thought that that was a

00:47:31 Benefit in his in that regard right that you have Tatum and Brown and poor zing is in the mix as well

00:47:36 And then also the guy we're talking about as well Derek white

00:47:38 I mean having those two guys play off each other obviously takes a whole lot of that that pressure off of

00:47:44 Drew holiday to be that you know

00:47:47 To be that lockdown defender in the back where when he has that type of help

00:47:51 But when both of these guys are banged up man, there's a lot that the sons are giving up in that end of the floor

00:47:55 Well, and that's real quick that that's another reason why I think we're seeing Brown maybe struggle a little bit

00:48:00 You want Brown to focus on what he does best finishing it finishing scoring and finishing you rely on guys like holiday and white

00:48:08 And you know when poor zing is back to do those other those other things and especially specifically the guards right holiday and white who?

00:48:15 Came on to start the year

00:48:17 They were the best in my opinion the best guard tandem in the NBA the way they started this year now now they're dealing with

00:48:22 A couple things and I think we're starting to see that trickle down

00:48:24 Because now you're seeing Brown have to try to do a little bit too much

00:48:27 I think Tatum we probably haven't given him enough criticism a little bit as much tonight either

00:48:32 I thought he tried to do a little too much. He had some a couple of

00:48:35 Turnovers and his shot wasn't on tonight. So

00:48:39 This was a game this game this game kind of reminded me of past seasons where it was just like

00:48:45 You were relying on those two guys to do too much and and they tried to and it didn't work out in the end

00:48:50 They didn't roll over and die. I mean it was a competitive game was a fun game

00:48:54 They made their they made their runs in that in that fourth quarter there

00:48:57 but ultimately

00:48:59 You didn't get enough from anybody else on that team to make up for the lack of production that

00:49:04 Brown and Tatum were giving you down the stretch the play that kills me late

00:49:08 This is actually right after the Haliburton four-point play. So they're down four. There's a minute left

00:49:14 That's five on the shot clock called holiday just almost gotten his hands on that Haliburton kick. Oh, yeah

00:49:19 He should have stolen it and he dropped it out of bounds or he didn't quite get to it

00:49:23 I don't know what happened there, but he's just get another chance. They run a down screen that gets

00:49:29 He'll coming up high and both Tatum and drew get stuck on knee Smith and healed wide open for three

00:49:36 And that was pretty much the game right there giving up that three to him

00:49:39 They turn the ball over right after and then knee Smith dunks it to make it nine

00:49:43 So that's just that crunch time execution. We keep talking about they've been good with it early in the year

00:49:49 But in a moment like that, we you know have a couple shots left to tie the game

00:49:53 You give up five points like nothing and just a few seconds there off some silly mistakes. So it's a it's a kill

00:50:01 I mean you just got it out execute in this game. You look the less athletic and fast in this team and

00:50:08 You look less skilled in terms of the playmaking the Haliburton is able to do the other way and the lack of it you had

00:50:14 on your offensive end

00:50:16 so I don't know this one just kills me for a bunch of different reasons because of the fact that

00:50:21 the Celtics just kind of bow right out of this tournament that they should have been right in the thick of from the start and

00:50:27 We'll lose a couple bad games here to fall out of it

00:50:29 I think pretty much got a free pass to get into it to playing that Bulls team

00:50:34 And it just continues to stretch of shaky offensive play. That's been going on for a little while now with them

00:50:40 So, I don't know. I just don't feel great about where they're at right now

00:50:44 They don't to you know, go back to what you just said Jimmy. They don't look very

00:50:48 Different at least without poor Zingas here

00:50:51 I think that's the biggest thing here. I mean life without for Zingas

00:50:56 I mean we knew I guess now based on these reports

00:50:59 It's not gonna be you know long term in the sense of there's gonna be two or three weeks

00:51:03 However, we see the difference like this team offensively

00:51:05 Oh completely they're not the thing without Chris that's for Zingas and I think that they were trying to figure that out

00:51:09 But also you have to remember other teams

00:51:11 They're going through their game plan on how to stop the Celtics the team with the best record in the NBA

00:51:16 You're gonna get everyone's best right and especially a team like the Indiana Pacers where you literally

00:51:20 Embarrassed the heck out of them, you know not too long ago and guess who was playing in that one Chris das poor Zingas

00:51:26 So I think there was a lot of there was a lot of motivated guys on the other side, right?

00:51:30 And especially you think about a team as you know, they're playing that they're at home. They're hosting the Celtics

00:51:35 They haven't a lot of these guys don't have a whole lot of deep playoff experience and now this isn't necessarily the playoffs, right?

00:51:41 But also it kind of has that feel to it. This is like practice for a team

00:51:45 Why aren't the Celtics motivated to I I don't like hearing that because they're thinking about

00:51:49 And a lot of these guys have been there, especially the the core, you know

00:51:53 Sure, Drew Holliday's only one with the championship ring

00:51:55 But a lot of these guys know how long this this the season is, you know, it's a it's a

00:52:00 Marathon it's not a sprint, you know what I mean?

00:52:03 So it's one of those things but also the way someone like Tatum is playing compared to Brown or other guys

00:52:09 I mean Tatum in my opinion has been very very consistent or at least just trying to be

00:52:13 better all-around player and I'm not quite sure if

00:52:17 Everyone is sort of on the same level or at least of this making the same stride right now, but it's tough

00:52:23 I really again I think it's difficult for this offense without Chris that sports English

00:52:26 Especially when the shots aren't falling you're turning the ball over and these are things that the any I faces capitalize on

00:52:33 Yeah, but you know the Celtics

00:52:36 This whole in season tournament for them was just kind of like this little you know

00:52:42 This little off exit ramp to get on to and once they get off there

00:52:47 They're gonna get back on a road towards winning a championship, but they don't need to get off there

00:52:50 They don't need to enjoy whatever is on this little in season tournament date and because their goal this is this is

00:52:57 They don't really they didn't really care about this tournament

00:53:01 And they play like it and that I and Bobby to your point

00:53:04 It bothers me because you really need to look at every game as if it matters

00:53:08 You need to look at every chance to get better and prove that you're the best in too casual

00:53:14 Yes, they were they're very casual in this game and it may very well bite them in the ass

00:53:18 But what if your Celtics fan you're hoping that they'll look at this game

00:53:22 They'll see how casual they were and the next time they play, Indiana

00:53:26 They will be closer to the team

00:53:29 We saw the first game then it were the second because Indiana always had the built-in excuse

00:53:33 We didn't have Halliburton at first game played you with him. What happened?

00:53:37 They beat you they beat the Celtics. So the Celtics in Indiana's mind

00:53:44 They have a certain kind of confidence now that they didn't have before when they see Boston

00:53:50 And I and I mentioned this, you know on the you know on the big three NBA podcast

00:53:55 I talked about Rick Carlisle and just how Joe Mazzuola is still kind of going through that that

00:54:02 Learning how to out coach coaches. There's a there's a definite mind game going on

00:54:08 You know on the sidelines and Rick Carlisle is one of the best coaches in the game

00:54:13 And and so Joe I think is gonna look back at this and look at some things

00:54:17 He could do a little differently because when you start dispersing a blame pie Tatum absolutely deserves a good chunk of it Jalen without question

00:54:25 Derek why drew holler you go down the only person I had

00:54:28 The chat

00:54:33 The chats looking at Louie and Joe and just all these

00:54:37 None of your core guys

00:54:41 None of your poor look at the two stars

00:54:43 Yeah, they both get it. They were they put up to me

00:54:48 They played the McTatum and the McBrown game fast food great tastes good empty calories

00:54:55 We've got the big brown game empty calories tastes great love the numbers yeah substance no

00:55:06 Making you better. You're not getting healthy off it. Hello fresh game that they were playing

00:55:11 We just got a bunch of nice empty calories

00:55:17 You know the rapper in the light, okay

00:55:22 Last thing I got on this game

00:55:26 And I'll go there just because the people want it

00:55:29 Do you have enough at that five position right now because they want to play bigger?

00:55:33 You see they're hesitant to go small in this game, especially against the Turner who was slicing them up on switches

00:55:38 But you have Luke out there for 17 minutes switching out to the perimeter, which is an ideal for him

00:55:44 you can't play Kate in this game because of that style and

00:55:46 Horford was

00:55:49 Fine, you know, I thought he gave them a little bit of energy way. He was actually out of the game for a long time

00:55:53 I think you mentioned it

00:55:55 Shiraz that this wasn't played like a playoff game if this is the playoffs

00:55:59 I was probably closer to 40 minutes than 31, but he has 31. Yes

00:56:03 And he takes three shots for assists to turn over seven rebounds, it's a fine game

00:56:10 He had a couple of nice offensive rebounds late, but he only scores two points

00:56:13 So you're missing the offense from poor Zingas there and then with Luke out there. You're missing the defense of Al and

00:56:19 Kate I can't play in this game. So

00:56:23 It's one of those games. I feel like they've held up well without poor Zingas, but this one shows

00:56:29 Your vulnerability at center in certain matchups. Well, one thing I would have probably tried just to just throw a wrinkle in there

00:56:36 Was the play? I don't know the guy who used to play for them like last year Oh shave or set

00:56:40 Might have been a good wrinkle to throw out there. I'm playing low five

00:56:44 It's yes, it's a little five against the team that he spit

00:56:49 You know that I would love to see him master beloved Miles Turner a guy that he's familiar with

00:56:54 I'm not saying he was shut miles down or nothing

00:56:56 But his ability to switch out when miles would would want to just you know

00:57:00 Set the high picker or miles would step out for the three and hurt the Celtics either with his passing or his shot making

00:57:07 I think Brissett would have helped you in that regard or and tonight mount meant it might have been the night

00:57:12 Yeah, but Lamar Steve. It's just isn't gonna play is he?

00:57:17 I'm to the point now where you know

00:57:21 I just want Lamar to just I think we need to have a seat for him in press row

00:57:25 At the garden because I mean he's gonna be doing the same thing we're doing this guy started 25 games last year and can't get

00:57:35 A second. He can't get 25 seconds in

00:57:37 Boston, I I don't get it for a team that

00:57:42 Think about it. We talked about the Celtics. They're not that particularly deep at the wing position

00:57:49 Defensively and Lamar Stevens. That's literally the one thing that he's shown the ability to do in the

00:57:55 NBA is to defend the wing position

00:57:58 I keep telling myself that Joe Mazzella has his master plan where he's gonna whip out Lamar when we least expect it

00:58:05 Maybe a little brilliant because if they had sharpshooters in front of him, sure

00:58:09 I'd it would make sense, but you got to a shade shooting 11% from three

00:58:11 band can't shoot at all as we've talked about and

00:58:15 Pritchard has struggled in spots. So

00:58:18 Yeah, he's coming off a career year from three Stevens is he's not great, but he can hit him

00:58:23 He's worked on it a lot. He's not a zero from outside. So

00:58:28 Yeah, he is

00:58:32 Again tonight might not might have been the night just because he hasn't been out there at all

00:58:36 But at some point I think you have to try him

00:58:38 They've tried everybody else here and it really hasn't worked with any of those other guys for any stretch of time here

00:58:43 They really want to get this band thing going, but it's not right now. So

00:58:47 Pushing that so no, Missoula is a fan. He I think he sees himself in him or something. I don't know what it is

00:58:54 He rants and raves about the practice this and practice that I'm like

00:58:58 He must just be shutting people down in practice for him to mean while Steve is having the worst practices ever

00:59:03 Exactly must be

00:59:05 Maybe that's a band is shut down

00:59:08 What is John like to call them to stay ready crew

00:59:14 Ready

00:59:16 Those SRC's locked and loaded they're looking at Lamar like yo bands got your every time man. Sorry

00:59:25 We have a couple injury updates or at least I hope we have more to wrap this one

00:59:32 but I want to shout out seek eek as

00:59:34 Ahmed told us yeah, you could have seen the pats for free with this promo code over the week

00:59:40 It would seek it would have paid you

00:59:42 You would have had some site credit left over and you'd have beer money you still have some beer money left over

00:59:51 Now you would have saw horrific game in the rain, but you still could have gone for free

00:59:58 But there's a lot of good stuff that you actually want to see coming up. Yeah

01:00:02 I told you about Travis Scott that's coming up fast. Yeah later this month

01:00:07 You got Celtics games. It's a home game on Friday. Now. I'm sure those tickets are gonna roll out now that

01:00:12 They've officially set this game. So a lot of that and they give you your quality deal on here. No team is pumped over at a

01:00:20 Causeway Street tonight. They get they get some some an extra game that the employees got to figure out like oh

01:00:27 Joe sway and I were talking to some employees

01:00:29 So you remember that right cuz they stopped Bobby night mid-conversation to go wait if they lose there's a game here we're like

01:00:37 Yeah

01:00:39 Couple days if they lose

01:00:46 They just got that email check it out you might get a deal tonight and see key scores and greens great

01:00:53 Yellows and you're lucky lucky. I call the crew up and like yo, can we got another game?

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01:01:12 You're gonna

01:01:16 Have a bunch of concerts coming up through the winter if you're traveling why check out the sphere you go into Vegas. I'm not

01:01:22 The first comment from Bobby actually I missed the first like seven minutes, so I'm sure he had a few more comments salty comment

01:01:32 Yeah

01:01:34 He was a little downtrodden. He was it was like it was the worst since

01:01:39 Game seven against the heat. I had the Denver took tickets booked and then third quarter

01:01:45 I'm like, whoo, what hotel were you thinking about staying?

01:01:48 Finals book going in the game seven. Yeah

01:01:53 Okay, that makes that you meant like when they were like

01:01:58 Game for the coming back going in the game seven. I did the 24-hour thing

01:02:02 So that didn't work. This didn't work either. Hope everyone enjoys Vegas

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01:02:14 Yeah, that's uh, I think that's enough for tonight poor thingus I guess a quick injury update on him he did go on this trip

01:02:21 There's a graphic I got. Yeah, Albert. We watch him go off in that

01:02:26 Loses bracket game is now over. So yeah, so he's gonna head back home get a couple practices in he didn't practice on Thursday

01:02:34 So I think that's why he couldn't go tonight. He posted on Instagram. They was in Latvia which confused a lot of people

01:02:39 But he wasn't so he goes on this trip

01:02:43 Wasn't quite ready to go. I do think they win this game if he's out there just because of the matchups

01:02:48 But they played on the safe side as they probably should with him

01:02:51 He talked to us last week and said that they're being very cautious with them. This isn't an injury

01:02:55 He's had before of course you do have worries about like other areas in the body being impacted by that strain

01:03:02 so I think he'll be back Friday and

01:03:04 Yeah, that's what we got on that. I don't think there's anything out there on holiday anything, you know

01:03:11 I know I get up there in the morning

01:03:13 Yeah, and they'll practice this week. So we'll have some reports from there. I need final thoughts guys on this one

01:03:19 This was tough for me to watch and there's a tough loss all around for the Celtics here with the shovel

01:03:25 Dig it up bury this bad boy and just get ready for the next game and stay away from them fast food games

01:03:31 Too many games like that go ahead Jimmy. I'm sorry. No, you're don't apologize to Jim. Yeah, don't apply

01:03:40 What guy I'm sorry sure I didn't let you finish. Sorry. I'm done Jimmy

01:03:45 I need to do a not a full apology cam

01:03:48 But I think I will say that I was more a little bit more interested in the in-season tournament than I originally thought I was

01:03:55 The plate because the players bought into it I think in some aspects more than I thought they would I still don't care about

01:04:02 The champion of it, but it was a little bit

01:04:06 It's a little bit refreshing to see some different style of play a little bit more like

01:04:11 Like running up to score. I like that a little bit more in-your-face. I like that

01:04:16 I want I want these teams to remember that later down the season or maybe energy

01:04:21 Bring that one on it bring that energy if you can make it regular season game and make it just slightly more interesting

01:04:26 I'm all for that. So I'm happy about it overall

01:04:29 I think that the grand prize at the end could be a little bit better or more interesting but for the first one

01:04:36 You know, I'll say you know

01:04:39 I'll say I might have been not a hundred percent accurate on my original thoughts. That's closest to an apology

01:04:47 I

01:04:48 To be honest with you. All right, I guess we can call that a semi apology. Yeah, I

01:04:52 Think um, you know going into the next game

01:04:55 We should keep a close eye on on white and and drew holiday just see how they respond to their to what happened

01:05:00 I think it is it's worth mentioning. It's worth keeping an eye on

01:05:04 I mean that backcourt is is what I is what essentially

01:05:08 Pushed the Celtics to being championship favorites if you ask me

01:05:12 It's great for drew holiday and you didn't give up why you know putting those two together

01:05:16 Obviously we saw what it looked like in the first 15 16 games

01:05:19 So we want to see something's return to that and I think this is a great teaching moment for these guys, right?

01:05:25 You look back at this loss the way it unfolded in that second half you go through those mistakes those turnovers and you you correct them

01:05:31 You know, that's a that's the that's what you what you're supposed to do

01:05:34 You still one of the top teams in the NBA and still talented enough to obviously get over this. However

01:05:40 Looking back on this. I think when it's all said and done regardless of who wins it all

01:05:43 We're gonna look back at the in-season tournaments and say teams like the Pacers and the Kings again

01:05:48 Whether they win it all or not. This is really what this is about

01:05:50 You know what? I mean?

01:05:51 Like teams like that - well, I shouldn't say is what the team that's what this tournament's about

01:05:55 But those are the type of teams that benefit most and I think we're seeing that in a big way in this game

01:06:02 Obviously, no poor zing is didn't help the Celtics

01:06:04 but you you added you you spice things up a bit and I think that that really motivated this patient's team along with of course the

01:06:11 Huge L you gave them earlier this season and because of the way things broke down in this in-season tournament

01:06:19 You didn't have home court now. I'm not gonna sit here and be like man

01:06:21 So they really, you know blew this one and shame on them

01:06:24 however, they can't learn from this and like Sherrod said they're back on the highway to the road to the

01:06:31 NBA playoffs and all that good stuff at the end of the regular season, but there's still a lot of basketball left

01:06:35 So let's see if they can turn this around and hopefully maybe this could be the start of you know

01:06:40 One of those impressive stretches where they win like I don't know 12 out of 15 or something like that. Who knows?

01:06:46 Who knows? Well, you got a tough mix team potentially coming up

01:06:50 you got a box team that you similarly punk last time you played them coming up here and then

01:06:56 Many series against the Cavs and magic before you head on the road. I think one's gonna be a good one

01:07:01 That was a shout out head out west. Yeah. Yeah, so it's

01:07:05 That's probably gonna happen, but you're gonna get you're gonna get uh, you're gonna get tested, you know

01:07:11 And I want to see how they respond to that for sure tough fish stretch coming up for sure and they build their practice here

01:07:17 No practice coming up which is needed. They do look a little banged up in that backcourt Joe sway

01:07:23 So hopefully those guys get healthy here poor Zingas back. They need him badly and

01:07:28 They are not gonna win the in-season tournament here pacers moving on

01:07:32 They'll play the winner of the Knicks and Bucks who play tomorrow. They'll play in Vegas on Thursday

01:07:37 And then we get the West game starting right now to with the Kings and the Pelicans. What's the score of that game right now?

01:07:43 No, I dare. I think the Pelicans are up at the half by seven. I think yeah

01:07:50 161 so gonna go watch that

01:07:52 Thanks to everybody for joining us. This is a frustrating one. Nice full chat here, though

01:07:57 Appreciate you guys being here as always. Thanks to charade for stopping by Joe sway

01:08:01 We'll be back at the garden on Friday Jimmy. Please catch you soon. Enjoy the week here everybody

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