LIVE Patriots Beat: Mac Jones Benched Again in Patriots Loss to Giants

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Join Alex Barth of 98.5 The Sports Hub and Brian Hines from Pats Pulpit go LIVE to recap the Patriots 10-7 loss to the Giants where Mac Jones was benched for Bailey Zappe again. During the second half,  Zappe stepped in for Jones, completing 9 of his 14 pass attempts for a total of 54 yards, but also threw an interception. Jones had earlier completed 12 of 21 attempts, amassing 89 yards along with two interceptions in the first half. Alex and Brian discuss after the Patriots fell to 2-9 on the season.  This episode of the Patriots Beat Podcast is brought to you by:  SeatGeek! Use code DREAMERSPRO for $20 off your first SeatGeek order! Visit https://seatgeek.onelink.me/RrnK/DREAMERSPRO !  FanDuel Sportsbook, the exclusive wagering parter of the CLNS Media NetworkRight now, NEW customers get ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY DOLLARS in BONUS BETS with any winning FIVE DOLLAR MONEYLINE BET! So, visit https://FanDuel.com/BOSTON and kick off the NFL season. FanDuel, Official Partner of the NFL. 21+ and present in MA. Hope is here. First online real money wager only. $5 pregame moneyline wager required. First onlinereal money wager only. $10 first deposit required. Bonus issued as nonwithdrawable bonus bets that expire 7 days after receipt. See terms at sportsbook.fanduel.com. GamblingHelpLineMa.org or call (800)-327-5050 for 24/7 support. Play it smart from the start! GameSenseMA.com or call 1-800-GAM-1234.  Visit https://Linkedin.com/BEAT to post your first job for free! LinkedIn Jobs helps you find the candidates you want to talk to, faster. Did you know every week, nearly 40 million job seekers visit LinkedIn.  #Patriots #NFL #NewEnglandPatriots

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00:00 Into another live edition of the Patriots beat podcast right here on the CLNS media network

00:05 It is Brian Hines from Pat's pulpit back as always with Alex Barth from 98 5b sports hub

00:10 to break down another

00:13 Patriots loss 10 to 7 to the New York Giants

00:17 Maybe a win in the long run Alex, which we can you know, talk about that

00:21 I'm sure we'll get into some of that within draft pick watch team tank another big victory for them, but I

00:28 Mean it was just another one

00:30 is

00:32 Kind of expected it certainly lived up to the hype of a two-win

00:35 Patriots team or say then three win Giants team, but

00:39 Just messy quarterback play all around defense kept a minute

00:43 But just same story on the offensive side of the ball where they can't do enough to even

00:48 score ten points score double digits to get a win here, so just another messy game and

00:54 You know, they are who they thought we are really how we are. So two and nine on the year. That's where they said

00:59 Yep, quarterback change didn't do it Bailey's a pee struggle just as Mac Jones did

01:04 I know for a lot of people it was funny

01:07 I was talking to somebody today who said you know this this really feels like the end

01:10 It really feels like it's time to go full in on on the draft

01:13 welcome

01:16 Yeah, I

01:18 Mean we can start wherever you want to start Brian. The quarterback usage is obviously the big story

01:24 and this isn't to

01:26 Excuse Mac Jones or Bailey's happy they both played poorly and neither one has shown that they're the guy this organization can build around long-term

01:33 and that's why I'm sure we'll talk more about

01:35 Drake may Kayla Williams Jane Daniels Michael Penix, but

01:39 Did the offense as a whole the guys away from the quarterback looked out of sync looked disjointed?

01:46 And that's what happens when you spend the week preparing to quarterbacks and Chris Mason of mass live. I did a great job

01:52 He went back and found a quote from 2001

01:55 When we were doing Brady blood so of bill Belichick saying you can't get two quarterbacks ready in one week. There's not enough time

02:02 Bill was right then I

02:04 You look at neither guy was prepared. Neither guy was prepared. The rest of the offense wasn't prepared

02:10 there's the report from Phil Perry last week that

02:12 Play other offensive players were having to get working on the side in order to get ready for this game

02:18 They set themselves up to fail before the game even started with the way they handled it and then it compounding the issue is that either

02:23 quarterback

02:25 Played well on their own independent of what the game plan was and the game plan itself wasn't great either

02:30 But that's what I was gonna add. Well, you think with all this

02:33 The question marks at the quarterback play doesn't seem like they trust either guy and then you know

02:39 You're coming from a Colts game a few weeks ago where you ran the ball really well

02:43 You know season high in rushing yards and then cherry on top the Giants are without Dexter Lawrence their best defensive lineman

02:50 you think this would kind of be a

02:53 21 Buffalo game or maybe not that extreme you run the ball 40 times and see what happens and

02:58 Like they came out with Mac and they were fine throwing the ball more than they like the first down

03:05 Play rate was I believe it was higher in the past. I think Mac was like 60 40 pass split. So that was kind of

03:14 Unexpected I would say from a play calling game game plan point of view to

03:18 Rely on these quarterbacks that you just spent the week going back and forth kind of flip-flopping

03:23 between but

03:25 We can start with that quarterback breakdown because the mystery ended Sunday with Mac Jones did get the start

03:33 There were a lot of different reports that you know, they split reps 50/50 throughout the week

03:39 Bill then said, you know this morning that Mac got the majority of the reps on the radio, but

03:45 And then there was the report before the game too that it seemed

03:48 Likely that they wanted to play both of these guys and Bill said that to both these guys deserve to play after the game. So

03:54 Mac did get the start

03:57 Lasted a half same type of stuff. We've seen from him

04:00 You know, he's just broken like the once accurate good decision maker out of college is just not doing any of those things

04:08 correctly too really bad in

04:10 interceptions

04:12 Missing guys a lot of miscommunications a couple of Mike a sticky, you know, he said after the game

04:16 I just wasn't on the same page as the offense if you want to say that's from not getting the full

04:21 amount of snaps and practice, you know, maybe but

04:24 Just same old story for Mac this year not good enough and then when Bailey's aft he comes in at the half

04:30 you know, he leads a touchdown drive, but

04:33 He had a negative average depth of target on that drive and then he finished the game with I believe a 1.4

04:39 Average depth of target. So it was definitely a watered-down

04:41 Type of offense and then the one time he does push the ball downfield

04:45 He gets intercepted on time kind of the same play as Matt where it's like a two-man

04:49 concept and he stares down the crosser so

04:52 Like they don't have they don't have a quarterback

04:55 They theoretically entered that game without a quarterback and then they leave New York without a quarterback. No. No, it's uh, yeah

05:03 Hit it right on the head there. They don't have a quarterback and max issues are the same

05:06 You saw the shortcomings with Bailey's happy

05:08 Yeah there it's just it's it's it's all bad and they did this to themselves. This is it and this is not as

05:15 Again there are shortcomings Mac and zappy both have there are I'm not saying there aren't

05:21 They did this to themselves. It did not need to get to this point. Neither player is this bad?

05:27 They compounded the issue with with series of mistakes that began really last offseason

05:32 But even this offseason leading up to now it's just been a total mismanagement of the position and the offense as a whole for multiple

05:38 years

05:39 Yep

05:40 Yeah, cuz I mean there were again place to be had but neither of these guys they're just not in the right

05:45 Obviously, they're you know, they're not

05:48 Talented physical guys, but they're they can make plays. We've seen Mac do it before and they're just not there

05:53 They they can't do it right now. So I mean they don't have a quarterback

05:57 But where are you turning next week? Cuz it's looks like we're gonna do this whole rodeo again

06:03 I can't wait to hear what Bill says Wednesday instead of you know, probably have a new say instead of them

06:08 No, it's gonna be same thing. It's it's gonna be

06:10 I

06:13 Would be surprised if they go half and half again and maybe it's zappy then Mac they're gonna go half and half again

06:18 That really wouldn't surprise me. I think they're kind of just waiting till one of the guys either gets hurt or quits

06:22 I

06:24 Would have kept will Greer I would have started him

06:26 They need a fresh start neither one of these guys gives you a fresh start at this point

06:30 No, I I wouldn't be surprised with Mac Jones

06:32 I really would not be surprised if Mac Jones starts next week plays the first half in Bailey's Abbey comes in for him when he

06:39 threw that

06:40 First pick and then the next series gets in with Mike is sticky. That was it. That was it

06:45 That's where you pull him for his own good if nothing else and they kept him in the game

06:50 Which to me was the sign of this is a plan one is gonna get the first half no matter what the other's gonna get

06:57 The second half no matter what that is what that looked like

06:59 Why wouldn't they go back to that if they weren't gonna pull back even after that second pick?

07:04 I know it's just one play to hand it off the end of that

07:06 But if they weren't gonna pull Mac after that second pick, they're not gonna pull him. It means they're not done with him

07:11 They've had too many chances to show they're done with him and they haven't

07:16 So I wouldn't be surprised if he starts next week. It probably should be Bailey's happy

07:20 I think at this point you just got to sit Mac down and be done with them

07:23 Because you can't keep trotting them out there every week to go 12 for 20 with your 80 yards and two picks

07:28 They seem content with continuing to do it so I wouldn't be surprised it should be zappy

07:33 But I would not be surprised. It's Mac. Yeah, I mean that's where I'm kind of just

07:37 Like I know the offense wasn't great for zappy and he also through the interception, but he seemed a little more

07:44 Confident right that internal clock isn't broken where we hope that maybe the by we could fix

07:49 Mac a little bit in that sense and it just didn't but I mean you saw his happy

07:54 He had like like that one play where he evades the rusher flips it to remandarie

07:57 Stevenson almost picks up the first down like that's not a play Mac Jones makes right now. So I would go

08:02 Zappy, like I said last week. I would have went zappy

08:06 I'd give him the whole week and just see what it looks like

08:08 But again big picture on this quarterback room is they don't trust any of these guys. None of these guys are very talented

08:15 So it just opens up this can of worms again where maybe they have to go back to Mac Jones

08:20 And you know, we can talk about it - you mentioned it briefly there. They cut will Greer on

08:26 Saturday, I would just say real quick on the starting quarterback. Sorry. Yeah, go they got to tell players

08:31 They have to tell players that was another thing

08:34 So you had some players saying they knew during the week some players now saying they knew from the beginning

08:38 Hunter Henry's they didn't know until Sunday Matthew Slater said he didn't know you got it. You got to tell him

08:44 You got a tie. I get it if they're on defense or special teams. It's not their job

08:49 They've their own job to focus on it is a massive distraction. The quarterback position is different

08:53 You don't have to tell us and I know there's people that want to be like well

08:57 The media is just buttered that they don't get to know the starter. But don't tell I don't care

09:02 Frankly don't I we get a ton of content out of speculating. You don't have to tell us I'm fine with that. Tell them

09:08 The the annoyance with with bill not naming a starter and people have made it up in this media conspiracy that the media just gets bad

09:16 Whenever bill doesn't say stuff. I can't speak for other people in the media me myself. I don't really care

09:21 I'll figure out things to write about

09:23 The team is different. You can tell the team you should tell the team

09:28 That matters that makes a difference, especially on the offensive side of the ball

09:33 Tell me all you want. Tell me nothing. I don't care

09:37 The guys in that locker room the offensive players Hunter Henry that starting tight end should not be figuring out the starting quarterback on Sunday

09:45 He shouldn't be figuring it out when I do that's the point. He should know before me

09:50 Matthew Slater should know before me

09:55 So I just just another thought with it's just part of the it goes back to Brian talked about in the offseason

10:01 I've been talking about this going back to

10:03 Mike Catholic co-hosting the show and maybe even it was the end of Evan's time

10:07 Stop playing mind games with the quarterback

10:09 With both of them with the quarterback stop doing it doesn't help. I get it. They want tough players

10:14 They want players that can respond to adversity. That's why you run the hills behind the practice field at the end of the day in camp

10:21 Stop playing these mind games with the quarterbacks and the other players on the roster. It's not accomplishing what they think it's accomplishing. Yeah, I

10:27 mean

10:28 You saw it firsthand it affects the offense - you mentioned Phil's report how they have to do these side sessions like

10:34 Like it's JV football or something to get extra extra reps in and an offense. That's so

10:40 predicated on timing and rhythm to not know who your quarterback is is just

10:47 It's kind of ridiculous there and like you don't have to tell us I agree with you

10:51 But your team should know you should not have

10:53 Hunter Henry saying he found out Sunday and then Ramon dress even since Ezekiel at the NL

10:59 We knew the whole time it was gonna be Mac, right?

11:01 like get everyone on the same page let them know who the quarterback is because

11:05 Bill said he also said it all week. I don't name starters at every position

11:09 The quarterbacks different and he did it with cam. He did it, you know with other guys in the past

11:15 He's done it with Mac in the past. He said max down our starter, right Lee the past few offseason, so

11:20 it's just

11:22 bizarre there but

11:24 Going back. You mentioned it briefly. They cut will Greer on

11:27 Saturday, I believe he is subject to waivers

11:31 So we will actually find out and maybe 15 minutes or so if he clears they do have to practice squad spots open

11:38 so you'd imagine they'd like him back because

11:41 Based off this quarterback room and you know, you'd like someone with some familiarity

11:45 Back in the mix there, but you know, you look at a team like Cincinnati who had a little career. They lost Joe Burrow

11:52 you know who knows what happens on waivers, but

11:54 Yeah, did you have anything else on will Greer and that whole situation?

11:59 Yes, you knew they needed a spot for Connor McDermott

12:02 Yeah, kind of a bizarre way to get it, especially with the current state of that that room

12:06 We all thought it's gonna be Tom Montgomery, but now he's playing receiver. We'll get to that in a minute

12:10 Yeah, I bring him back again

12:12 I just think a fresh start would be good and I think a fresh start is more than Bailey's happy

12:16 I'd give will Greer a shot even if that's as a practice quite elevation. We'll see what happens. I'd give him a shot

12:21 Yeah, and I know people are gonna want to hear it Malik Cunningham any thought process like I don't think it's gonna happen

12:28 because they keep playing them at

12:30 Wide receiver is what it sounds like but I mean still at this point like just see what just see just see it doesn't hurt

12:37 Anything to just see but I don't know

12:39 Yeah, I I'm he's got to practice a quarterback. You can't put him in cold and was it O'Brien or Belichick said last week

12:46 He hasn't practiced a quarterback since before the Raiders game. So you're talking about what a month a month and a half ago

12:52 If they give him the reps like yeah, I wouldn't hate throwing him in there just I don't know that I'd start him

12:58 I don't think he's ready to play a full 60 minutes of quarterback in the NFL

13:01 But having him available on game day and a package option run like seven or eight shots with it plays with him under center

13:07 Where it's you know, read options RPOs things like that like that'd be great

13:11 But if he's not practicing a quarterback, you can't do it

13:14 So and if he's not practicing quarterback that tells me they don't plan for him to play quarterback

13:19 So that just doesn't seem like it's in the cards right now. Yeah

13:22 So the messy quarterback situation, it's even messier just so we'll see what?

13:29 Goes on here as we move forward, but we can talk about some other positions on offense wide receivers

13:35 Also, not good sounds like you had some thoughts on some time Montgomery there getting some wide receiver snaps

13:40 Tyrone Thornton just continued to be a mess kind of at that position. So

13:45 What do you think of the the receivers yesterday down there in that life for the most part?

13:51 I think the team when I say they don't know what they're doing

13:54 I mean the team doesn't know what they're doing with the receivers. You saw them rotating everybody yesterday

13:57 Tom Montgomery's out there playing receiver

14:00 They rotated jujitsu and the shoestring a good amount after he'd been benched

14:02 They rotated Taekwon in a good amount after he'd been benched case on booty played a good amount in this game

14:07 That's what it should look like

14:09 Put everybody out there and see what you got. See what you got in booty

14:13 See what you got in Thornton

14:15 See you see what you got a lot of these guys even juju see if he can kind of work through his issues

14:19 Let him get in games work through his issues. Maybe he can contribute next year

14:21 I actually like how they managed the receivers in this game that being said time Montgomery is a running back

14:26 I think his best value to this team is a third down running back. He should not be playing wide receiver

14:31 The other thing I'll say amid all the the the doom and gloom about the offense this year

14:36 pop Douglas legit

14:40 Pop Douglas a legit player and whatever look the offense is not gonna look should not let me say why I don't know that it won't

14:46 But it should not look it should look very different next year said that last year

14:51 Yeah, exactly

14:53 But I'm talking personnel wise everything if you're changing the course scheme all of it. It should look very different next year

15:00 there should be a spot for pop Douglas and whatever that looks like and that is why like I

15:05 When we look at the draft

15:07 I'm not saying they can't add another kind of slot guy, but maybe more of a Z

15:11 I'm definitely looking at them more for X's because I think pop Douglas is starting, you know

15:16 Top three NFL wide top three like on the depth chart, you know a star in 11 personnel. He's a legitimate starting wide receiver

15:23 He's a guy that can make plays. He's electric with the ball in his hands. You're seeing it

15:26 He needs to be

15:29 He he needs to be part of the offense moving forward this year

15:33 Yeah, he should be a part of it too if they're continuing to try to win games

15:36 But you know everybody else again juju still look slow

15:40 Devante Parker made a nice catch on a slant and

15:42 Running after the catcher see but he also fell over on a slant the first half or tripped on his route in the first half

15:48 Almost led to an interception

15:50 Well, you know Kendrick Bourne's a pending free agent. Keishon booty still hasn't popped now that he's getting more opportunities

15:56 Douglas is the guy Douglas they found a guy that they need to make a part of their offense moving towards

16:01 Yeah, and you know, he might not be your number one alpha receiver or whatever you want to call it

16:07 But like he's a guy who as you kind of said 11 personnel like he's gonna have a role

16:12 I think he's fourth in the league now and yak per reception

16:16 So get him the ball, you know these screens these short crossers

16:20 They even ran one of those like downfield screens with zappy

16:24 I believe that might still been Mac but like get him the ball in space and he's gonna make good things happen

16:28 So that's one of your few

16:30 Bright spots there on the offense side of the ball. We'll see with his head injury

16:34 I think someone said he wasn't in concussion protocol yesterday, but

16:38 We'll kind of monitor that going forward which I mean speaking of that

16:43 That was ridiculous that there wasn't a flag on that play pop getting absolutely clotheslined on that that pump punt return

16:51 That's just when they need

16:53 like that eye in the sky or whatever they want to call it to buzz down and be like this is a personal foul because

16:58 I was kind of a ridiculous hit but a good response by the Patriots sideline. I guess drill peppers had some

17:05 some some words for the officiating career after that, but right yeah, that was that was a rough call but

17:12 Pop good. Yeah, Taekwon still like he had some routes of that game that were bad like

17:19 going backwards off the line of scrimmage, that's just

17:22 another one of those those misses but

17:25 Mondra Z good. I don't know any other offensive thoughts. Yeah, the running game continues to work

17:32 I don't know why they only ran the ball 31 times and threw a 37 against that defense

17:36 Leagues worst defense without its best run defender

17:39 Not a great showing from Bill O'Brien in this one. Really and look if if the quarterback scissors up to bill

17:47 Delacheck that sort of handcuffs O'Brien a bit cuz maybe he does who knows when bill it goes back to my foot who knows

17:53 When bill O'Brien knew maybe he had to put together a really black and white

17:56 Game plan because he didn't know who's gonna be leading it and it was two different game plans very clearly

18:01 For Mac Jones in in Bailey's happy again as was the case last year again two different game plans

18:08 14 passes for for Bailey's happy. I think six or seven of them were behind the line of scrimmage and

18:15 Hey, that's not to say. Oh if they let Mac Jones do that, he'll be successful

18:18 It's not just not a sustainable way to run an NFL offense, especially not when these are your receivers

18:22 But yeah, the game plan was weird

18:26 I don't know why they didn't run more because the running game looks good for Mondra looks good

18:29 The whole I've seen some people be like, hey

18:31 They should try to get Zeke back next year and like bring this backfield back

18:33 You know add a third down back but keep for Mondra and Zeke is the one - I don't know

18:37 It's gonna be that easy get Zeke back. I

18:39 Yeah, he's gonna have I wouldn't be surprised if there's a little bit of competition for him in free agency

18:44 Cuz he's looked he's looked I mean like he like he looked in Dallas. He's not

18:48 Peak Zeke anymore, but he's still a very capable NFL running back. Yeah, and he might

18:54 Want to go play on a winner for the last few years. Yeah that that is probably a part of it as well

19:00 Last thing

19:04 Trent and on when you I thought we're good, you know those tackle spots the interior

19:10 Not so good Cole strange beat a few times

19:13 Good and the whole line was good in that run game, but you know that pass protection

19:18 Still kind of shaky especially in that interior, but Trenton big Mike. I thought we're solid yet again, so

19:25 Unless he had anything else on the offense or the quarterbacks or anything at all

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20:19 All right, so over to the defense

20:26 Alex I think you were the one of the first ones point this stat out on Twitter yesterday that

20:32 Teams are 50 and 2 this year when allowing 10 or fewer points

20:38 I believe it was and the two losses are now both the Patriots in the last two weeks. So

20:45 Not not good

20:48 Company there. They're doing their job, but it's not enough and you know

20:52 Adrian Phillips kind of said it after the game to the Herald like

20:55 We gave up ten points again, and we still lost so now we just have to give up zero points, I guess so

21:03 That's kind of where it's at with the defense late. Maybe it's some frustration starting to boil over that the offense

21:10 You know that they're playing like this and the audience can't even score double-digit points to win a game

21:15 Yeah, well, that's not something you want to hear a defensive leader say certainly

21:18 Yeah for the most part good day for the defense to brew peppers really good again Christian bar more is really good again

21:23 What one player did not play well as JC Jackson?

21:27 Yeah, he got burnt numerous times by Jalen Hyatt. That was kind of my big takeaway from the defense is that

21:33 I don't you know for the rest of the year, whatever at this point there two and nine but

21:37 Boundary corner is gonna be a need again this offseason because you're gonna Christian is loss coming back

21:42 It's John Jones still gonna be your boundary or slot

21:45 Where's Marcus Jones out like they're gonna need another corner and probably another boundary corner

21:49 We're back to that again. So add that to the list of needs cuz JC Jackson just doesn't look like he has it right now

21:54 Yep, he was tough. He didn't have one nice pass breakup, but overall, you know too many

22:01 Gut beat down downfield too many times by Jalen Hyatt also had a missed tackle

22:05 Him and John Jones had kind of back-to-back missed tackles there on the the lone touchdown drive both on third down, I believe so

22:12 not good there, but

22:14 Peppers good as always bar more good as always the pass rush finally got home a little bit

22:19 Second half, you know forcing Tommy DeVito hold the ball drop his eyes and for knee Jennings Keon white got his first sack. But

22:27 Yeah, it's like the big picture now down the stretch here is you're two and nine

22:31 How's this gonna look is it gonna keep getting frustrated you heard Phillips comments?

22:36 Phil Perry said he talked to the bond God show and he kind of said

22:40 The same thing like down the stretch here

22:43 We're playing for pride and we're playing on for the names on the back of our jerseys is what he he said

22:49 Like there's 31 other teams watching you like you ought to put good film out there

22:53 Which is Trump Brown kind of alluded to that earlier this week as well speaking to the media say like I'm putting good film out

23:00 there, so

23:01 That's kind of the weird predicament you get yourself in when you're you know

23:05 Out of the playoffs is you have these guys start playing for themselves more than the team and trying to put good individual film

23:12 On tape, so that's probably one of the big big picture things to watch for this defense kind of down the stretch

23:18 Yeah, I'd agree with that because they're still I mean the defense shouldn't change much to next year

23:23 It's still been a good unit. You're gonna get Matthew Drew done back in get Christian Gonzalez back

23:26 Obviously, you'll see what happens with Kyle Duggar and Josh Uche

23:29 But I mean the pieces still seem like you're there there

23:32 You're just kind of seeing who you're maybe going to invest in who you're not right does Duggar showed that he's a guy you need

23:36 To keep or is he a guy that you're gonna move on from same with Josh Uche

23:40 Some of these young guys Keon white had a sack this week, which is great. He had that great, you know, great summer

23:45 Solid start to the season suffered a concussion in October and was kind of slow coming back

23:49 I thought he had a really good game yesterday

23:51 So is he a guy that's gonna kind of grab this opportunity and run with it finish the rookie year strong and boom

23:56 That's a guy you're counting in for a big role next year that kind of thing

24:00 I think that's really what you're looking for in the defensive side of the ball at this point

24:03 And hopefully Marte Mapu can be a part of that not even playing again, which I'm just

24:09 Yeah

24:12 He's gonna be it's gonna be up to the next coaching staff to figure him out that's just probably the reality of it cuz they

24:18 You know still can't I guess he still can't be trusted to play linebacker

24:23 220 pounds because he might get run over my cosy a game that might be what cost you the game is letting you know

24:30 You're young player develop

24:32 It's unfortunate, but I think it's just gonna be up to the next coaching staff to figure out what his role is. Yeah

24:36 unfortunate there but

24:38 Yeah, kind of the same old same old for the defense good performance

24:42 like we said Thursday the big thing was slow down sake one Barkley and they did that like

24:47 really good defensive line performance again after slowing down Jonathan Taylor then slow down sake one Barkley, but

24:53 It's just not enough as Philip said they got a hold teams to basically zero points at this

24:59 Well, look it's Jonathan Vilma said yesterday. It's two good defenses going at it

25:07 What was his uh

25:09 drill peppers take that it Oh

25:11 Jamal Adams

25:13 Disrespectful to jabril peppers. Yeah, very. Yes. Yeah here with Blitz boy. Yeah

25:19 Yeah, he had some rough moments of that one Jonathan Bell, but yeah, I maybe don't blame him for that one

25:25 I mean they had to go to Gronk and Michael Strahan to host like a podcast in the game

25:29 Even in the last member did the ball that hit juju in the hands. He called the Washington game

25:33 He was like, oh you shouldn't have thrown that like yeah

25:36 Vilma's been a tough watch this year. It's not just when he calls the Patriots. Yeah, he has been so

25:40 Anything else defensively, I mean not much else to say from them, but

25:47 No, no, it's all I got for the defense

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27:03 All right, so

27:12 Last but not least Chad Rylan 35

27:15 Yard field goal to tie the game there send it into overtime

27:19 You missed it for the tank

27:22 I have two thoughts on this one

27:25 That wasn't good like you have that's a kick you have to make second straight week. You missed a 35-yard field goal

27:31 You know bill said it like that's not acceptable. Like you have to make those kicks

27:36 Number two, we need to stop talking about Nick Falk like please get over it and that's not even a pro

27:43 Chad Rylan take this was a

27:46 38 year old kicker who was declining down the stretch of last year

27:52 Like he couldn't kick off

27:54 It was fine to move on for him

27:57 Now if you want to be mad that they replaced him with a guy who's missing 35-yard field goals

28:01 Fine if you want to be mad that they replaced him and used a fourth round pick to replace him fine

28:07 But like to sit here and cry about Nick Falk not being here on a two and nine football team

28:12 When there are so many other things to complain about

28:16 Bigger things to complain about is just ridiculous to me

28:20 So Ryland has not been good, but the folk stuff like please it needs to stop. I just I can't

28:27 Understand that right now. So I I go two ways on this

28:30 If Nick Falk's here, they're probably not doing that and they're probably four and seven

28:35 Colts in this chance game. They probably win

28:37 That being said if your kicker is the difference between winning two games in counting

28:43 You probably didn't build a very good football team. Yeah, and that to me is where this is minor and also

28:50 I said it over the summer so I'll stick with it. It was time to move on from Nick Falk

28:55 It was time. He struggled down the stretch last year. He was 38 years old is 38 years old

29:02 He's struggling stretch last year. He's 38 years old

29:04 Year too early verse a year too late odds are Nick Falk was not gonna bounce back the bounce back

29:09 He's had is impressive. It's rare. He deserves credit for that

29:13 That was moving on from Nick Falk is not the issue the issues whoever who they replaced him with

29:17 And that's where people saying you find kickers on the street and teams have found, you know kickers here and there

29:22 It's not a total crapshoot drafting or signing a kicker like you can scout these guys

29:27 It's not just looking up who made the most kicks. There's things teams do to evaluate the mechanics and things like that

29:32 They picked the wrong guy

29:35 That doesn't mean that again

29:38 They should have moved on from folk they should have moved on from folk and found a better kicker

29:43 or at least not taking Chad Ryland as high as they did because yes, Chad Ryland is

29:48 Struggling. I also go back to the fact that he basically didn't kick all summer

29:52 He was kicking every other day in training camp didn't get any attempts in preseason games

29:58 Another player and that's not to say that if he'd gotten a kick in the preseason, he'd be great

30:03 But I we talked about this you can go find the clip of me talking about it

30:06 Where he missed a kick at the end of practice and I said well it stinks

30:09 He's not gonna get to kick for four days now because we don't get to see how he bounces back from a loss

30:12 It's another player. They botched the development though

30:16 Because they just won't put kids in games even in the preseason even in camp

30:22 So that's not to defend Chad round. It's not to defend the pick. He's been bad. He needs to hit those kicks. Let me say that

30:29 The issue isn't that they moved on from folk the issues when they moved on from folk

30:35 They replaced him with the kicker who wasn't good

30:37 They could have moved on from folk with the kicker who is good and it would have been the right decision no matter what

30:42 Nick Fulke is doing this year. Yeah, I mean I didn't get a good kicker

30:45 Like I don't think anything from college Chad Ryland said he was a bad kicker

30:51 Like I don't mind bringing him in but just maybe like you don't have to use a fourth round pick

30:55 on that position and I mean he outperformed them in the summer, but as you said like they don't let him kick and now

31:02 Remember it was a draw. We were talking about them kicking keeping two kickers

31:06 Yeah, but I had the percentages and Ryland had a higher percentage and he had the bigger leg and he could kick off

31:14 but I thought like they might keep them keep the two kickers just for consistency, but

31:19 it's

31:22 What was I gonna say it's

31:24 Letting him kick, you know

31:26 Not letting him kick throughout the summer definitely hurt and now again not to make an excuse

31:30 But he gets like one kick a game because of this offense probably not easy, but 35 yard you have to make that so

31:37 I'm not expecting them to all of a sudden move on from him this yearly

31:42 He's again, he's a fourth round pick, but maybe wouldn't be surprised if a kicker or two pops up on that workout list

31:48 You know once a week maybe right this guy. You know, he's just sitting around. He was here last year

31:53 You know, you have to practice squats pops open

31:55 I wouldn't be surprised if they maybe bring someone in here to try and you know

32:00 Get that seat hot a little bit because again, you can't be missing

32:03 35 yard kicks but

32:06 Like the Nick Fulk stuff like it was the right move to move on from him. Like how quick he was awesome here early, but

32:13 Down the stretch last year like he might have cost you a game

32:16 Again, Cincinnati missing two extra points in a one score game where you needed one more win to get in the playoffs

32:23 So like he was fading down the stretch. He was 38 years old right move to you know, have a backup plan in place

32:29 But maybe you picked the wrong guy and you picked them a little too early with an asset that could have

32:34 Went somewhere else to help the team. So that was my kind of kicker rant. I've just seen way too much Nick Fulk talk

32:41 on the timeline right now blaming Bill Belichick for that when

32:45 There's a lot of other things that Bill Belichick deserves some blame for so right

32:51 Yeah, I don't know any you know other special teams, you know, I thought Bryce was good. Yeah, Bryce Beringer's been very good

32:58 He's been excellent. So meanwhile the punter they took in six rounds been good

33:01 Yeah

33:04 yeah, that's pretty much I thought Bryce Beringer was good and

33:06 Can I think they could find a better kicker Turner at this point in time Montgomery?

33:11 I have running kicks out of the end zone. I mean that too. I wouldn't run kicks out of the end zone

33:17 I would just fair catch it or knee it and get the ball to 25

33:19 I don't I think they've run one pass once right eight kicks out of the end zone now

33:23 It's like seven eight nine something like that. They've run out of the end zone

33:26 None of them have gotten back to 25 at that point. It's beyond time on covering

33:31 It's a decision making a certain point coach of staff. He say hey stop running kicks out

33:35 But yeah, they probably could well, it's supposed to be Marcus Jones. He got hurt

33:39 But yeah, you think they could find a better kick return or as a bold and yeah, maybe another sneaky loss

33:44 But yeah, that's like I like time Montgomery as third down back, but they're using him as a wide receiver and a kick returner

33:51 I just don't know just puzzling puzzling usage there. So

33:55 Huh?

33:56 Do you have any other thoughts on that wonderful game or we could talk a little college football here from the weekend or?

34:03 Anything else you want to discuss?

34:05 Yeah, the in-game coaching was bad the in-game coaching. There were so many questionable decisions again

34:12 We talked about the game plan a little bit

34:13 but they had that weird fourth down or they lined up with like ten different formations on a fourth and one only to call a

34:18 Timeout in the second half and then points you had them playing for the field goal at the end of the game instead of playing

34:23 For the touchdown. Why are you playing to tie it to an eight?

34:25 It's just it again it feels like the coaching staff the fastball is not there you had

34:32 Juju's mishus are getting into a Troy Brown as much as we talked about bill the GM and we've said bill the GM is the

34:38 Reason bill needs to go more so than build a coach. It has not been a good year for building coach. Yep

34:43 yeah, like if this was

34:46 The Tom Brady era and that was a close game and they burned a timeout on that punt fake

34:53 Whatever like that would be a big issue

34:56 But so the fact that they burned the timeout they didn't even just take the delay or they didn't go for really

35:01 I don't know that that was puzzling and then the decision at the end calling those couple run plays

35:07 To play for the field goal instead of going for the win at two and eight is just head-scratching

35:13 They just clearly don't trust anything. They're trying to do

35:16 offensively there so some questionable questionable decisions there on the coaching staff, but

35:22 if that's all you had we can talk some college football because at two and nine Patriots still hold the third pick of

35:30 The NFL draft currently because the Cardinals lost that - they dropped to two and ten

35:35 So some shuffling could happen there when Arizona has their bye week, but we have the game this weekend, Michigan

35:42 staged off Ohio State

35:45 Jane Daniels had another good game. What'd you see from the college football landscape this weekend?

35:51 Yeah, I was a whole bunch of good games

35:53 I mean robbery week totally delivered independent draft stuff just good games up and down the board and that's

35:57 Usually happens rivalry. We can write as close games. I thought that

36:01 Yeah, Jane Daniels from the Heisman another good game from him. He's flying up my draft boards

36:06 I actually have him over Michael Bennex now. I have him as QB 3. I think all four are first-round picks

36:12 I think those are probably your four first-round picks. I'm still not buying it with JJ McCarthy

36:17 Yeah, I know he made a couple good throws in that game, but I'm just still too far away from me still too raw

36:23 I

36:25 Thought Martin Harris a junior at a great game

36:27 He did I thought his performance went a long way and potentially getting him that one one spot

36:32 And yeah, we'll see, you know, we got another Bo Nix Michael panic showdown. That'll be sick

36:37 We're gonna see Quinn ewers against Oklahoma State if he comes out and I know there's been reports

36:42 he's going back to school, but he might come out and

36:44 It's gonna be really interesting who transfers to Ohio State next year because please

36:48 Again I cannot I don't even like Ohio State, but they play in a lot of big games. So I watch them a lot. I don't

36:56 Need to see any more Kyle McCord

36:58 No, I have a cord they have good receivers. We want to see getting the football and Kyle McCord, right?

37:04 You get them the football

37:06 So yeah, I it's gonna be that's gonna be like a prime spot for the transfer portal quarterbacks and that that's like

37:13 I wonder does yours go back there. Remember he started at Ohio State didn't play there, but he was there

37:17 Does he go back to Ohio State does um, you know somebody like?

37:23 Riley Leonard who I would assume he should go back school

37:25 And if he does I would think transfers with Mike Elko leaving Duke just Riley Leonard try to get to Ohio State

37:30 That'd be a good fit for him. I will touch a little bit on the Michael panics thing

37:34 Yeah, cuz this is fair. I wouldn't say he melted down at the end against Washington State

37:38 I don't know why they were calling passes to begin with I think maybe trying to get him like his Heisman moment

37:44 But yeah, he should have like three game losing picks at the end that game. They're all dropped. So that was concerning

37:49 loved seeing the emotion at the end with the scene winning the game, but

37:53 Yeah, not a

37:55 You want to see him go win that game?

37:57 He didn't he couldn't he didn't blow the game, but he didn't win it either and I would have liked to see him

38:00 Go out and win that game. Yeah, I agree that Jane Daniels might

38:04 Slowly be creeping up in that QB 3 conversation

38:08 Which is another thing we need to stop talking about is that Marvin Harrison J and Daniels mock draft?

38:14 Nonsense because I don't think that's gonna happen. Jane Daniels might be a top 15 pick. So

38:19 So I think the one I've been kind of like flirting with is

38:23 Let's say they end up at two, right? Mm-hmm. You trade down from two to like six

38:30 you get

38:32 You fig cuz alright, so in the top five, you're gonna have Williams

38:36 May

38:39 Harrison

38:40 Williams may Harrison verse and then alter alt or for Shanu or your top five, right you trade down

38:48 you get the other tackle at six and

38:50 let's so you you move down from two to six and

38:54 You pick up like a second round pick or something you then use whatever you got moving down from two to six

39:01 to move up from 33 to like

39:04 Ten and

39:07 you take chain Daniels and

39:09 Then you figure out the wide receiver and and then if my math's correct, you'd still have a second round pick left

39:15 you use that second round pick and I got like a D Mitchell or Johnny Wilson or

39:20 Thomas you you know, you reunite Jane Daniels like that to me would be would be the way that would go

39:25 Yeah, that would definitely be in true again

39:27 Yeah should be a good conference championship next weekend, you know, Georgia Bama

39:34 We can obviously talk about those a little bit more on Thursday wild iron bull though has always that was an unbelievable

39:41 Oh, yeah. Hang on. Yeah, we got to talk about that

39:44 fourth and goal from the 31

39:46 With 30 something seconds ago to man pass rush was oh my that was a decision to say the Alabama should have won by nine

39:53 Cuz I that was a pick six. I don't care

39:56 He I I did not see an angle yet where he definitively said I saw

40:01 So I saw a good angle where he stepped out

40:04 But I don't know about the play before that might have been of some funky safety touchdown thing with that whole sack

40:12 Well, it was it was awesome. It was just awesome

40:15 That what a great ending. I I don't know, you know being that close with Auburn it helps

40:20 Alabama that like Washington played it close last week and

40:25 Texas played it right like I don't know Texas didn't play close

40:28 they blew their phone out, but you had some of these like

40:31 It probably didn't help Alabama's playoff chances that they had to go down to the wire against Auburn and probably should have lost to

40:36 Auburn, but oh what a game

40:38 What yeah, that's that's why it calls for most the best and I'm texting with Evan

40:42 He's like that's just bad football who gives up before the goal of the 31. No, but that's the whole point

40:47 You don't see that any like like when you watch college football, you see things you've never seen before

40:51 Get the games never over

40:54 You don't get that anywhere else

40:57 And that's why I call it college football is the bet college better college football is better than all of the things you like

41:03 It is it always delivers it always except in the national championship last year to be fair

41:09 But it almost always always always delivers. It was great

41:12 4th and 31 W o n roll tide that was

41:16 Unreal, it's what it's like March Madness and back college basketball to like just it's what you get when you put a bunch of like

41:24 18 19 little kids on the on a field or a court and just like it's chaos

41:29 You just never but I would argue it's better cuz like the top youth basketball players don't play college basketball anymore

41:36 They're all overseas or they're in the G League. That's true

41:39 Right, whereas yeah, I think it's better but it's still kind of just that madness stuff. You've never Oh college sports

41:47 Every every sport the college version is better than the pro version. Yeah every sport. That's true

41:54 Like college baseball to me is the most underrated product in sports the college baseball is so freakin good

42:00 but

42:02 No is what an awesome day games. We got some good championship. We'll get to them later in this week

42:07 We got some good championship games. Well

42:09 You know, we'll get to I had some good match, but I do wish we were getting techless oak, Texas, Oklahoma

42:15 I wish be why you had pulled that game off again. So, uh, Oklahoma State, but I should be fine. Oh, and we Iowa, Nebraska

42:23 Which happened right after he got off the air the other day that was awesome, too

42:27 And now I I need Iowa to win the Big Ten championship. It would just be so funny. That would be the I go on

42:33 That would be the most comical win of all time if Iowa beat Michigan after all that

42:40 but yeah that iron bowl as

42:43 Don said

42:45 seed from

42:47 Shadow Jalen Melrose for responding after you know getting benched against UCF or USF whoever it was

42:54 Like he's had a really good

42:55 Second half of the the year that was a seed like from the right hash to the back left pylon

43:00 That was an awesome throw so and a nice guy say a bond to who is a

43:04 True sophomore, so he's not in the draft this year, but made made a hell of a catch

43:09 Kenbro Tom and look at that. That was my first thought when that happened was you know

43:14 I saw your your unicorns tweet and I was like that was Kenbro Tompkins. Literally. Yeah, that is what that felt like. Yeah

43:20 so yeah, they'll be

43:23 awesome

43:25 conference championship games

43:27 Next weekend that we can discuss on Thursday as well as another Patriots game

43:32 To preview because the show goes on as the Los Angeles Chargers

43:37 Hopefully without Brandon Staley come to Foxborough. Oh my god. We need to be done with Brandon Staley already

43:43 We just need to be yeah, he is he's bad to watch so

43:46 Maybe the Chargers will have that a new coach bump when they're in Foxborough next week

43:52 it's throwback week everyone celebrate Pat Patriots back, but

43:57 Alex and I will be here on Thursday to

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