00:00 It is clear that they are trying to launch the next generation.
00:04 There is no doubt about it.
00:05 Either Nawaz Sharif or Asif Zardari,
00:08 this is their last chance to play a major role through elections.
00:13 The question is,
00:14 as I said earlier,
00:15 in the short term, the success is that you win the elections and come to power.
00:19 But if you go to the medium term or long term,
00:23 then what you are saying is absolutely correct.
00:26 It is good to say that Bilawal will take the youth vote and the time for Babas has ended.
00:31 But you don't get the youth vote just by saying it.
00:34 You have to connect with those people.
00:37 Are they able to connect with the Jamaat?
00:39 I don't think so.
00:41 Because they are not alone.
00:42 They are on a party.
00:43 How is that party connecting with the youth?
00:45 Will Bilawal's politics be different from his father's?
00:49 It is possible if he is calling for a complete short term.
00:52 I don't think he is doing it yet.
00:53 He was trying to distance himself from Faryal Talpur and the Sindh nexus.
01:02 He was told no.
01:05 He went to London and was upset.
01:07 He was sitting there for a long time.
01:08 He was brought back after convincing them.
01:09 He had settled in Lahore.
01:10 Then Sherry Rahman was grooming him and counselling him.
01:14 Okaira was behind him.
01:15 Chand was also there.
01:16 So the point is that he has tried and been unable to distance himself from his father and his post politics.
01:23 Will he be able to do it this time?
01:25 No.
01:26 It is not possible.
01:27 Because the power and the money is all there.
01:29 The Pakistan People's Party as a political organisation, what is its perception?
01:34 If its perception is not right, it is not just because of Bilawal.
01:38 There is a whole story behind it.
01:40 There is a story of its governance.
01:41 There is a story of its leadership.
01:44 Even though Bilawal is speaking the right words,
01:49 the weight of his Jamaat is taking it to another level.
01:54 It is not possible that in such a short term, if Bilawal says that he is the face of the youth,
01:59 the perception of the Jamaat will change.
02:00 That will not happen.
02:01 That is why I am saying that the old Jamaats,
02:04 whether it is PMLN or People's Party,
02:06 their problem is that they might win this election.
02:10 It is possible.
02:11 But in the long term, their disconnect with the voters will be less.
02:15 And even now, you are talking about the PDM formula.
02:17 PDM Plus.
02:18 What will be PDM Plus?
02:19 Those who were not in PDM,
02:21 People like IPP.
02:22 People like IPP, and there might be some more people.
02:25 So, a bigger coalition will be formed from PDM.
02:28 Who will sit in the opposition?
02:29 I think Nawazuddin Rasool Allah Khan, Allah Jannah Khasan,
02:32 finally the National Government is going to be formed here.
02:34 Who will sit in the opposition?
02:36 If you remember, when Janazia was sitting in the 1985 election,
02:39 there was a position formed.
02:41 And they defeated the hopeful Khawaja Safdar.
02:43 And Fakhr-e-Imam became the Speaker.
02:45 So, a position is natural.
02:46 It will not be formed anywhere.
02:47 But, I think that is all this.
02:49 The question is, if PDM Plus is coming here,
02:51 can Nawazuddin Rasool Allah Khan run with PDM Plus?
02:53 Does he have any experience in this?
02:55 This was a quality in Shabaz Sharif.
02:57 How many days will Mian Sahib run if he comes?
02:59 If this is PDM Plus,
03:01 then Mian Sahib has such a big coalition.
03:03 He can run with 2-4 people.
03:04 Let's say Maulana Sahib,
03:05 there was ANP, MQM, 2-4.
03:07 Mian Sahib is not going to run 13-14.
03:09 This experience is with Shabaz Sharif.
03:11 Now, Shabaz Sharif, he will not let him come.
03:13 If you look at the last 16 months,
03:15 how difficult it was.
03:17 Could it be that to give Punjab to Mariam Sahiba,
03:19 as Chief Minister,
03:20 Mian Sahib did not let Shabaz Sharif become Prime Minister
03:22 to lead this coalition?
03:23 He can become the President,
03:24 or he can sit it out.
03:26 Look, I think this is speculation.
03:28 I think it can happen.
03:29 Because Shabaz Sahib's,
03:31 the comfort level of people and the establishment
03:33 is very high with him.
03:35 So, it can happen.
03:37 I think, I thought earlier that there is more chance.
03:39 This is it.
03:40 Look, I think it all depends on Mian Nawaz Sharif.
03:43 If he decides, then it will happen.
03:45 If he decides that I want to become Prime Minister,
03:47 then he will become.
03:48 But the issue is that after he becomes,
03:50 this is right,
03:52 after he becomes,
03:53 how long will it run?
03:54 See, there are two things.
03:55 One is the challenge of governance.
03:57 Are you running this coalition politically?
03:59 The second is that the kind of situation
04:01 in which this government is coming,
04:02 can they make decisions?
04:04 Because you know that
04:06 the elephant in the room
04:08 is there, he hasn't gone anywhere.
04:10 And the third thing is that
04:12 in this kind of politics, ultimately,
04:14 you have to connect with people in the long term.
04:16 Two questions. Independence.
04:17 Shabaz Sahib, don't underestimate independence.
04:19 Independence has a very big role.
04:21 But don't overestimate independence.
04:23 Everyone knows what they do after the election.
04:25 You are right.
04:27 But, but,
04:29 but the group of independence,
04:31 then its decision-making
04:33 will not only be based on the Moon League.
04:35 This is also an issue.
04:36 And then, this is the situation,
04:37 like Sadiq Sajnani,
04:38 with 8-10 senators,
04:39 he became a senator in 4 months.
04:41 So, this is the situation,
04:42 that he has to sit in the ministerial office
04:43 and say that, brother,
04:44 look at this, independence.
04:45 You don't believe in magic, sir.
04:46 That is your problem.
04:47 Fahad Sahib, tell me,
04:48 in the case of Imran Khan,
04:49 how long will the sword hang on
04:51 Mian Sahib's head or on the head of the People's Party?
04:53 I mean, is that threat real?
04:55 Or that's a done and dusted possibility?
04:57 No, I think, see,
04:58 Khan Sahib is still in jail.
04:59 And Mian Sahib will stay in jail.
05:00 He needs a 1-hour interrogation
05:01 for ÂŁ190 million.
05:02 The court has given a 14-day timeline
05:04 in the case of Rappaport-Cypher.
05:06 Is this a hanging sword?
05:08 He has an organic support base,
05:10 there is no doubt about that.
05:11 After that election,
05:13 when a new government will come,
05:14 will it have enough strength
05:16 to perform such a great performance
05:18 that the organic support of Khan Sahib
05:20 will be reduced?
05:21 That's a big question.
05:22 But, as long as Khan Sahib is here,
05:24 he is somebody who is around.
05:26 So, after all,
05:28 if you think about Nawaz Sharif Sahib,
05:30 what he was 3 years ago,
05:31 he was a threat.
05:32 Now that threat has been actualised.
05:33 So, that's why,
05:34 a threat can be actualised at any time.
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