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Pat and Matt discuss the Patriots decision to do nothing at the deadline and preview the Commanders game this weekend

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00:00:34 It's your boy Pat Lane, as always, here with my guy Matt St. Gene.

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00:00:48 Matt, it's been a long week here in New England.

00:00:51 It's been a long week.

00:00:52 Of course, Halloween was nice last night.

00:00:53 At least we had that going for us.

00:00:54 Did you have a nice Halloween?

00:00:55 Did you have a lot of trick-or-treaters last night?

00:00:56 Not really.

00:00:57 The area where I live in, here in Queens, it's all like the multi-family apartment thing.

00:01:11 People trick-or-treat, and there were people in my building giving out candy downstairs.

00:01:15 It was subdued.

00:01:16 Most of the candy eating was me going to the fridge with the large bag of chocolates I

00:01:21 have in there.

00:01:22 Smart.

00:01:23 Smart.

00:01:24 Smart of you.

00:01:25 Refrigerated Twix, refrigerated Reese's.

00:01:26 That's the way to go.

00:01:27 That's the way to go.

00:01:28 That is the way to go.

00:01:29 That's cool.

00:01:30 That's cool.

00:01:31 Yeah, I always have a 12-year-old, a 10-year-old, and a 7-year-old.

00:01:32 My 12-year-old and 10-year-old both went off with their friend groups and so left just

00:01:40 me and my 7-year-old.

00:01:42 One of his buddies and his dad went out with us, which was fun.

00:01:46 It was weird not being with all of them, having them go off on their own.

00:01:51 My daughter, my oldest, did a thing with one of her friends where she was mustard and her

00:01:56 friend was ketchup.

00:01:57 It was cute.

00:01:58 It was great.

00:01:59 We had a fun time.

00:02:00 It was good.

00:02:01 They got, I would take this amount.

00:02:03 My 10-year-old got over 300 pieces of candy, so it's outrageous how much candy they got.

00:02:08 They were loving it.

00:02:09 They had a great time, which was fun.

00:02:10 It's always fun.

00:02:11 Thanksgiving is a good holiday.

00:02:12 It sucks it was on a Tuesday, but it is what it is.

00:02:18 I've never been one for costumes anyway.

00:02:20 I'm not good at it.

00:02:22 When I was a kid, I went as Tom Brady, I think, five or six times as a kid.

00:02:28 The only other costume I remember was I went as Jack Sparrow one year when I was in middle

00:02:32 school.

00:02:33 That's good.

00:02:34 That's a good one.

00:02:35 Those are the only ones I remember.

00:02:36 I was never big on it either, man.

00:02:37 I remember one year we went out and we did what's called, my buddy wanted to do Blue

00:02:46 Man Group.

00:02:47 We bought this latex, this blue latex that we're going to paint on ourselves.

00:02:52 He's like, "Oh yeah, we got to shave first."

00:02:55 He shaved like an idiot and then put the latex on his face and it was burning because he

00:03:02 had little tiny nicks that you couldn't even see, but the latex was going.

00:03:07 It was horrifying.

00:03:09 We actually went in and stole some shoulder pads from the football team at the local high

00:03:18 school and then put jerseys on or whatever and walked out with jerseys.

00:03:21 It was fun.

00:03:22 It was silly, but it was fun.

00:03:25 Me and my buddy went to the thrift store one year and went as '70s porn stars.

00:03:29 That was fun.

00:03:30 I bought a wig and everything.

00:03:33 I had a purple vest over a white shirt.

00:03:36 That was a good one.

00:03:37 That's probably my favorite outfit.

00:03:39 Yeah, it was fun.

00:03:42 I like that.

00:03:43 When I was in college, my senior year, our whole house did Pirates.

00:03:48 There were 11 of us all in the same pirate costume and we wanted to do pictures around

00:03:54 campus in it.

00:03:55 We were driving around in vans all stuffed in with Pirates of the Caribbean-themed blasting.

00:04:01 That was the last time I did something for Halloween.

00:04:08 I'm ready for Thanksgiving.

00:04:10 Give me family football and food.

00:04:14 I'm down with that.

00:04:16 The kids, it's funny because my buddy did the three little pigs and the big bad wolf.

00:04:23 His oldest kid was the wolf.

00:04:25 Then his younger son and him and his wife were both the pigs.

00:04:29 It was cute.

00:04:30 I'm like, "We don't really do stuff like that.

00:04:33 Me and my family and stuff.

00:04:34 My wife doesn't like to dress up."

00:04:36 Which is fine.

00:04:37 I feel like it sneaks up on us every year.

00:04:41 All of a sudden, we're like, "Oh my God, we're three days before Halloween."

00:04:43 We're like, "What are we going to be?"

00:04:47 I haven't done much since that time.

00:04:49 What are you going to do?

00:04:52 These days, the scariest thing is looking at this Patriots roster.

00:04:56 That's all the fright I need this time of year.

00:04:58 You're right about that.

00:05:00 It is interesting that the trade deadline did occur on Halloween.

00:05:07 The Patriots did not make a move.

00:05:08 Stayed home, as it were.

00:05:10 Shut the lights off and stayed home.

00:05:13 I think it's good and bad.

00:05:18 The Joshua J report came out that Jacksonville, I think, was interested in Joshua J. They

00:05:25 held up on a fifth or a fourth.

00:05:31 So two things.

00:05:32 Number one, that tells me that nobody was really interested in Joshua J. Number one.

00:05:36 Number two, that tells me that the Patriots were willing to move him for a fourth round

00:05:39 pick, which is surprising.

00:05:43 To me, that says that they're not going to re-sign him because why would you trade a

00:05:47 guy like that for a fourth round pick?

00:05:49 Jacksonville, why wouldn't you give him a fourth round pick for a guy like that?

00:05:53 It doesn't make any sense to me.

00:05:56 Honestly, looking at that and the way the Chase Young thing unfolded, it seems like

00:06:01 we got a lot of edge guys who are not interested in signing a deal at all right now and would

00:06:07 like to hit the market.

00:06:13 Part of the appeal of trading for Josh Uche right now is that you get the chance to re-sign

00:06:18 him before anybody else does.

00:06:19 You can keep a young player locked up, a star pass rusher if you'd like.

00:06:23 And it sounds like he's probably not that interested in signing a deal.

00:06:26 And that goes for Chase Young.

00:06:29 Look at the price Chase Young got for San Francisco.

00:06:34 He's hitting free agency or he's getting a full market value deal from San Fran.

00:06:40 And Montez Sweat too.

00:06:41 I mean, Chicago gave up a lot for Montez Sweat with that high second round pick and it still

00:06:47 doesn't look like they're signing him.

00:06:48 I assumed they would, but then you hear about how the deal went down where it sounds like

00:06:52 they swooped in to outbid Atlanta at the last second.

00:06:55 He had a deal ready to sign with Atlanta.

00:06:59 So yeah, I don't think there's a lot of it.

00:07:02 The edge market is going to be awful this year.

00:07:04 It's going to be like the guys we're talking about are the best guys available and I think

00:07:07 they know it and they know they can get paid.

00:07:09 I just simply don't.

00:07:11 I don't understand if you're, if you're the bears and you suck and the bears unequivocally,

00:07:20 they suck.

00:07:21 They're not a good team.

00:07:23 It's the second year in a row that you've done this.

00:07:25 And I know that at a certain point you have to say, we've got to build around guys.

00:07:29 I get that.

00:07:30 But like the guy you're going to build around last year, the guy you were going to build

00:07:34 around was freaking Chase Claypool.

00:07:37 They gave up the number 32 overall pick for Chase Claypool.

00:07:40 It's insanity.

00:07:41 My favorite trade in recent years.

00:07:43 Even if you thought Claypool could like give you something, 32 for that guy is, is highway

00:07:49 robbery.

00:07:51 And then, you know, look, I like Montez Sweat, but if he wasn't going to sign a deal, if

00:07:59 you weren't negotiating with him and saying, we're going to get him to sign a deal before

00:08:03 the off season, then don't trade for him.

00:08:07 Because if he doesn't sign now, you've traded pick number 34 probably at best for nothing.

00:08:14 Yeah.

00:08:15 And it's, that's tough.

00:08:17 And like, I, I get it for Chicago because you're going to have two picks in the top

00:08:21 10, probably top five of the draft.

00:08:25 And you know, this isn't a great pass rusher class coming out.

00:08:28 They really need pass rushers in Chicago.

00:08:30 So I get the idea of making a move for one.

00:08:34 But now you have to sign him.

00:08:36 You cannot let him go.

00:08:37 A hundred percent.

00:08:39 Yeah.

00:08:40 I look at it, you tell me, bring it back to New England, do with Uche.

00:08:43 You look at the price involved.

00:08:44 What this tells me is that they would like Uche back, but they're not breaking the bank

00:08:49 for him.

00:08:50 They got Junon under contract next year.

00:08:53 They have Keon White.

00:08:54 And Franny Jennings is also a free agent, but a guy they can bring back and you know,

00:08:59 it's, they can trade for somebody if they like, or, you know, I mean, if we hit, if

00:09:03 Chase Young is hitting free agency, you know, maybe the Patriots are in on him, depending

00:09:08 on what that price is.

00:09:09 They got a lot of money and is better than Uche is.

00:09:13 And he'd be a nice addition to the line.

00:09:14 So I think you've got some options here, but when you do, like, I don't hate the way the

00:09:19 Patriots approach this deadline, but now you're at a spot where, all right, you either got

00:09:22 to be signing these guys or moving on from them because you think you found a better

00:09:28 player in free agency.

00:09:31 You know, you're not, you're not signing Michael Nguyen because a franchise tackle hits the

00:09:35 market and you think you can get him.

00:09:37 You're not signing Josh Uche because you're going after a Chase Young.

00:09:40 You're not, you're not bringing back Kyle Duggar because you decided you want to go

00:09:45 sign a star free safety, which I actually, we'll circle back around and talk about the

00:09:49 Miami game here at some point, but we had mentioned the safety usage in that game.

00:09:54 And I think there were some interesting things in there as it relates to Kyle Duggar.

00:10:00 And I had agreed with you about something after the game on Sunday about Marty Mopu's

00:10:04 usage in the game.

00:10:05 We kind of talked about the way they were using him and why was he a free safety.

00:10:09 And when you watch the game back, I had actually made a ton of sense and I really liked it.

00:10:13 The issue that they have right now is that they basically just have a million strong

00:10:16 safeties, which is really good and bad because you have issues taking away the center of

00:10:21 the field.

00:10:22 Right.

00:10:23 They put Marty Mopu back there as a free safety so they could bring Kyle Duggar and Drupal

00:10:27 peppers down into lower areas of the field to be tacklers and to, to attack what Tua

00:10:33 was doing, which I liked.

00:10:35 And I didn't think Mopu looked out of place in that role either.

00:10:39 I don't know if he's going to be a star free safety, but you know, he's a good tackler

00:10:43 and it seems like they asked him to slim down.

00:10:44 He looks thinner than he was when he was in college.

00:10:47 So I do wonder if the longterm plan there is for Mopu to be a true free safety and then

00:10:53 Duggar can play more in the box and peppers can play more in the box.

00:10:57 And you know, you still, you still may, he's still good enough that you can still, you

00:11:01 know, rotate the dial or whatever and bring him down when you want to.

00:11:05 It just doesn't make sense to me.

00:11:07 He just doesn't have that top end speed.

00:11:09 I don't think at least I see it.

00:11:11 You know what I mean?

00:11:12 It just, that seems strange to me.

00:11:13 They would do that.

00:11:14 And that's why I wonder, that's why I mentioned the dropped weight because it really only

00:11:17 makes sense if they asked him to drop weight and now he kind of has some of that juice,

00:11:22 more juice than people thought he had in college.

00:11:24 Maybe he dropped a little bit of weight or in the box less than he has.

00:11:28 I don't know.

00:11:29 And they wasn't, it wasn't really put in a position to do that on Monday, but I think

00:11:33 that's to monitor going forward is they already feel comfortable playing them back there against

00:11:37 the dolphins in a game like this.

00:11:40 They want him back there.

00:11:41 I wonder what role they see Duggar in for the future.

00:11:43 Right.

00:11:44 That's a good point.

00:11:45 It's a good point.

00:11:46 So we'll see.

00:11:47 We'll kind of see where that goes.

00:11:48 But I think, you know, yeah, the decision not to, you know, not to, not to trade anyone

00:11:53 I think was just interesting.

00:11:54 Right.

00:11:55 And obviously they didn't trade for anyone clearly, but they didn't trade anyone away,

00:11:59 which I thought was kind of interesting.

00:12:00 Apparently they know what calls about Duggar.

00:12:02 There are no calls about, about Mac Jones.

00:12:04 Right.

00:12:05 They didn't, they didn't really want to move anyone.

00:12:07 They did supposedly inquire about chase young.

00:12:10 I doubt they were going to give up much for chase young, but they did inquire about him,

00:12:14 which why not?

00:12:15 But do your due diligence and just kind of see what he's going to go for.

00:12:18 Cause the guy that's been hurt a ton and, and frankly, isn't very disciplined.

00:12:23 I think that's one of the, you know, you talk to people in Washington talking to my butt.

00:12:27 I was with my buddy who's, who's a Washington fan last night on Halloween.

00:12:30 And he said like, he's just super undisciplined.

00:12:33 Like he's just not, he's not a guy that is going to be in the right lane.

00:12:37 He's not going to be.

00:12:38 So like, yeah, he's a freak and he like makes crazy plays, but then he's also super out

00:12:42 of position at times because he's just doing his own thing and trying to beat his guy.

00:12:47 And so like, you know, I don't know how well that would have flown here in new England,

00:12:51 but, um, but it's always good to have issues too, I think.

00:12:54 Right.

00:12:55 Big time, big time.

00:12:56 Yeah.

00:12:57 Yeah.

00:12:58 So it's, I don't know.

00:12:59 I, I, he's too good of a talent to it.

00:13:01 Not at least ask what the price is.

00:13:03 He's on the market.

00:13:05 Exactly.

00:13:06 Exactly.

00:13:07 No.

00:13:08 And that, and that's why he called just to see, and then third round pick doing that.

00:13:10 No thanks.

00:13:11 I mean, especially if it's me, cause it's a late third round.

00:13:14 It's a conditional third round pick that was given up for him, which is relatively cheap,

00:13:18 but it's also that tells you he's not like, if you're going to trade for him, it's either

00:13:22 a one year rental, which the pats are out on, or you're trying to sign them.

00:13:25 And that tells me again, like we said before, he's not, he's not resigning.

00:13:28 So you know, he's not additional.

00:13:31 So what I, here's what I don't understand.

00:13:34 They get a conditional third round pick.

00:13:36 Uh, you traded for him, uh, San Fran.

00:13:40 Cause the conditional picks are a year ahead.

00:13:41 So it's from like last year's free agency stuff.

00:13:45 Like they know they're getting a conditional third.

00:13:48 Um, I believe it's the, um, sorry, did I say conditional?

00:13:57 I meant compensatory.

00:13:58 Right.

00:13:59 But they haven't announced the compensatory stuff.

00:14:00 I believe it's the compensatory pick from one of the coaches.

00:14:04 Right.

00:14:05 That's what it was.

00:14:06 No, no, you're right.

00:14:07 You're right.

00:14:08 Yes.

00:14:09 So, um, Tomiko Ryan's is hired.

00:14:11 So you get a comp compensatory third, right?

00:14:13 Yeah.

00:14:14 That's correct.

00:14:15 Okay.

00:14:16 That makes sense.

00:14:17 Cause I was like, wait a second.

00:14:18 They haven't gotten, cause I had read that too.

00:14:19 And then I couldn't, I couldn't remember how they had a compensatory already.

00:14:21 And that's exactly what it was from.

00:14:24 Um, so anyways, look, I think ultimately it's one of those situations where, um, so light

00:14:31 hatch asks a good question about this, right?

00:14:33 He says, you know, is it rebuilt, reload, replace?

00:14:37 Like what's the identity of the team?

00:14:39 What are the goals?

00:14:41 You know, what's happening.

00:14:43 And look, I understand that, right.

00:14:47 But the trade deadline was doing nothing for that, right.

00:14:50 It was doing nothing for that.

00:14:52 Sure.

00:14:53 You want to trade Joshua for nothing.

00:14:55 Go ahead.

00:14:56 Trade a Joshua for a bag of donuts.

00:14:57 Like what, what good does that do you?

00:14:59 Like it doesn't do you any good.

00:15:01 Maybe you like Joshua a lot and you're going to sign him.

00:15:03 Maybe you don't like him a ton, but you know, he's going to go to the open market and maybe

00:15:08 he doesn't get crazy offers from people and you're able to keep them.

00:15:12 I think it's worth the risk in exchange for a fifth round pick, like a fifth round pick

00:15:17 does you nothing.

00:15:18 It means nothing.

00:15:19 And so like, you know, to me, keep them around, see if he can resign them, see if he goes

00:15:25 on the open market and doesn't get exactly what he was hoping for.

00:15:30 And you say, Hey, look, here we are.

00:15:32 We might be a million dollars lower than these guys are, but it's home.

00:15:35 You don't have to leave anywhere.

00:15:37 You know, the system, you don't want to go forth.

00:15:38 Right.

00:15:39 So I think it's worth it to keep them around.

00:15:42 I think Duggar stays.

00:15:43 I think Doug is not going anywhere.

00:15:46 And at this point I'd be surprised if I'm going to go somewhere.

00:15:49 I mean, look, you're in this situation with the offensive line, partly because you let

00:15:54 guys walk, right?

00:15:56 You traded Shaq Mason.

00:15:57 You let Joe Tooney walk, you let Ted Karras walk, you trade, you traded, or you let Trent

00:16:03 Brown walk.

00:16:04 Right.

00:16:05 And all of these things happened.

00:16:06 And of course, then you traded back for Trent Brown, but like, but all of these things happened

00:16:12 and you know, you just let those guys go away.

00:16:15 Well, at some point you got to start keeping your good players.

00:16:18 Right.

00:16:19 And so everyone kind of turned around and said, Oh, we want to trade this guy.

00:16:22 I'm going to tank.

00:16:23 I'm going to do this.

00:16:24 I'm going to do that.

00:16:25 And it's like, well, yeah, but same time, like you have to have pieces, you know, someone

00:16:29 somebody at some point, right.

00:16:30 It was someone on Twitter was like, just trade everyone and just start over.

00:16:33 I'm like, well, there's 53 guys on the roster.

00:16:35 Like you can't.

00:16:36 It's just, even if that's what you want to do, you know, we're looking, then you're looking

00:16:40 at a five, six, seven year rebuild.

00:16:42 Probably.

00:16:43 That's how long that's going to take.

00:16:44 It's a tough position to be in.

00:16:45 And I think, I think what the question light engine asks there is a very fair one.

00:16:49 And I don't know if we really, I don't think anybody really does know exactly where they

00:16:53 are, including the people in the building.

00:16:55 And that's okay at this point.

00:16:56 Right.

00:16:57 I think the question that that's the question you're trying to answer over the next nine

00:17:01 games that they have left in this season, it's, do we have enough pieces already in

00:17:05 this building that we can reload and try to attack next year?

00:17:10 Is or is it the type of thing where we think we're two years away?

00:17:13 Or is this a full teardown rebuild?

00:17:16 Yeah.

00:17:17 This trade deadline tells me they don't think they're at a true teardown rebuild that can

00:17:21 change over the next two months a year.

00:17:24 And a lot of that is going to be, you know, above craft, sorry, above bill.

00:17:28 If that's something crafts with Jonathan and Rob or craft there, that's what they want

00:17:33 to do.

00:17:34 Then that's what's going to happen here, depending on what happens on the field.

00:17:39 But I think that's kind of, that's the lens we've got to watch the next two, three months.

00:17:42 Yeah.

00:17:43 And yes, who, who wants to, who wants to, I'm assuming that means who wants to resign

00:17:50 in this mess.

00:17:51 Cause there might be plenty of the one of resign right now.

00:17:53 Resign.

00:17:54 I mean, on this is, that's kind of what you're trying to figure out.

00:17:58 If they like on when he would tackle, that's a guy who you're going to want to bring back

00:18:02 because we need the offensive line.

00:18:03 Same goes for Trent Brann at left tackle.

00:18:05 I think if you're in a position where you don't want to bring either one of those guys

00:18:08 back, you're far away from being a contender because getting, getting one tackle is hard.

00:18:13 Getting two tackles that takes time.

00:18:16 That's not an easy proposition to get two tackles on your team.

00:18:20 Um, and also, yeah, there's Duggar.

00:18:23 Obviously there's the big names, but I kind of like Hunter Henry.

00:18:26 I mean, he's the type of guy where if you feel like you're within a year or two from

00:18:30 being able to, to make a playoff push here is a guy you probably want back in the building.

00:18:34 Kendrick born depending on what happens there.

00:18:37 Some of those veterans.

00:18:38 And it's, it's the same on defense to trying to evaluate how good those players are, how

00:18:43 close you are to contending and then who fits your timeline.

00:18:46 Cause the flip side here is if you don't think you're close, not only are you not resigning

00:18:50 guys, you're going to be trading away some of the guys on your roster.

00:18:53 Correct.

00:18:54 And that's, that's part of it is this, right?

00:18:56 This isn't the NBA.

00:18:57 Like it's not, this isn't the NBA where guys go and chase rings and try to create a super

00:19:01 team.

00:19:02 Like that's not how it works in the NFL.

00:19:05 You know, there's so much parody in the NFL that if you're chasing rings, you know, it's,

00:19:09 it's going to be a mess for you.

00:19:11 And I know, yeah, sure.

00:19:12 You can sign with Kansas city.

00:19:13 You can go, you know, sign with Buffalo.

00:19:15 It doesn't happen very often.

00:19:17 The majority of the, of the free agents sign with whoever pays them the most amount of

00:19:24 money, whoever puts them in the best situation for themselves.

00:19:28 They don't really care about the team performance.

00:19:31 And so, yes, there's a lot of, but of course, right.

00:19:35 But like once, once, you know, there's a lot of moving pieces and I get it, but like to

00:19:41 say that now, listen, if Belichick leaves and you know, you get a first time head coach

00:19:47 in here and whatever, maybe they don't believe in that.

00:19:49 Like then there's a possibility, but there's still a lot of guys in the league that are

00:19:53 like, I would play for the Patriots.

00:19:55 I would play for Bill Belichick.

00:19:56 Like I, you know what I mean?

00:19:58 Like there's still a lot of people like that.

00:20:00 Right.

00:20:01 And yes, players fall abraded to Tampa.

00:20:02 That's true.

00:20:03 But like players like Rob Gronkowski, who has publicly said many times that he'll only

00:20:08 play football for Tom Brady and that's it.

00:20:10 Well, you know, also there's like, if you are at the very, very, very top and you're

00:20:15 an obvious Superbowl contender in a tight window, right.

00:20:18 Those are teams where you're going to get some advantageous free agent signings.

00:20:22 Other than that though, it's basically the same when it comes to signing guys, it's going

00:20:26 to be who gives me the best role and who gives me the most money.

00:20:29 I mean, they, and not just that, we're two years removed here, not even from the spending

00:20:34 spree or is it two or over two years removed from that.

00:20:37 Yeah.

00:20:38 The spending spree, they went on in free agency and yeah, it's cause you go to free agency

00:20:42 and you spend on the best players out there.

00:20:45 That was kind of their strategy and it takes money to get guys in, but that's not like

00:20:49 that's not just new England that's doing that.

00:20:51 That's you know, 28 teams that have to be the highest bidder to get a guy or at least

00:20:57 thing number two or number three.

00:20:58 Yeah.

00:20:59 Remember now, if you're one of the top teams, you don't have a ton of free of cap space.

00:21:03 You don't.

00:21:04 So if I'm signing with Kansas city to try to win a ring, I'm taking a discount to do

00:21:09 that.

00:21:10 I'm taking less money to go somewhere and try to win and in the NBA, that's fine because

00:21:16 all the guarantees are there in the NFL.

00:21:20 You can't do that in the NFL guys.

00:21:22 Don't just don't do that in the NFL.

00:21:25 Now Tom Brady took a little bit of a pay cut cause he's Tom Brady.

00:21:28 He was able to still make a lot of money and get paid less on the salary gap.

00:21:34 Like it's a little bit different.

00:21:35 Yes.

00:21:36 He wasn't Peyton Manning getting paid an astronomical amount.

00:21:38 It didn't matter for him because he said, well, I don't have to take all that money

00:21:43 because they can put it elsewhere, you know, towards the defense and towards this and towards

00:21:46 that.

00:21:47 Right.

00:21:48 And so of course everyone would tell you that that backfired on him and didn't work.

00:21:51 He won six footballs with it, but I mean, you know, I'm sure it backfired on him, but,

00:21:54 but you know, it's, it's just, it's one of those things where like he didn't have to

00:21:58 take all that money.

00:21:59 But if you are a guy that's a top, you know, whatever, top 10 player, your position, you

00:22:06 can't afford to not take the best money.

00:22:10 Right.

00:22:11 So like, so that's, that's the hard thing, right.

00:22:13 Is that, you know, it's just, it's one of those things where it's like, yeah, you can

00:22:17 sign those guys.

00:22:20 I don't know.

00:22:21 It's just in free agency.

00:22:22 It doesn't matter.

00:22:23 Like the, the, the team performance in free agency simply doesn't matter for the 90% of

00:22:30 the guys.

00:22:31 Yeah.

00:22:32 Like the, the guys who are usually taking discounts are older players, guys late in

00:22:37 the career looking for a ring cause they already made their money.

00:22:40 And those aren't the guys, the Patriots are really interested in at this point anyway.

00:22:43 Like that's, they had to pay market value for Darrell Revis back in the day.

00:22:50 Like they had to set the market for Darrell Revis back in the day to get that done.

00:22:54 Right.

00:22:55 You know, the peak of their super bowl window, that's how it goes.

00:22:59 So I'm not, I'm not worried about them getting players here.

00:23:02 Maybe if there's a new coach, but also if there's a new coach, you know, a chance for

00:23:06 fresh impression and a new start for guys.

00:23:08 And that's appealing too.

00:23:10 So I don't, yeah, it's, I'm not, depends if they buy into what the new coach is selling,

00:23:15 right.

00:23:16 That's the biggest thing.

00:23:17 And some, some will and some won't, and you hope enough will that you're good.

00:23:20 And then when you do the thing with this is when you hit free agency, you're always looking

00:23:23 for value there.

00:23:25 One of the best contracts that Pat's had in 2021 was Kendrick Bourne, the guy who they

00:23:29 got because he was like wide receiver for in San Francisco.

00:23:33 And he was able to get a bigger role in new England.

00:23:35 And if your team is not that good, you can promise or give opportunities for starting

00:23:41 roles for guys who might not get that opportunity elsewhere.

00:23:45 And if those guys end up being good bets, that's how you can win in free agency.

00:23:51 You know, go back to like Mike Rable back in the day, the way they got him, like some

00:23:56 of those value guys get an opportunity and they break out and become more than anybody

00:23:59 thought they'd be.

00:24:00 That's how you win in that area.

00:24:01 Yeah, true.

00:24:02 Very true.

00:24:03 Gary's talking about the draft and, and I think the biggest indictment of the Patriots

00:24:08 and one of the reasons why they don't have a ton of talent on this team and Zach Cox,

00:24:13 I believe was, was the guy that tweeted this out today, but the Patriots have not signed

00:24:19 a first day, a day one or day to draft pick to a second contract since to Ron Harmon was

00:24:30 drafted in the third round of 2013.

00:24:31 I did not realize he'd be closing our opportunities on draft pick.

00:24:34 I know.

00:24:35 I love to draw on Harmon, but like, you know, it's crazy to think about that.

00:24:39 Now it's a little bit different, right?

00:24:41 You drafted Jimmy Garoppolo.

00:24:43 The only reason he, you didn't sign him to a second contract is because you had Tom Brady.

00:24:47 So you had to trade him like that would have been a guy, but that's still 2014.

00:24:51 That was the next year.

00:24:53 So it's not as though you hit on a guy.

00:24:55 And again, that doesn't include some hits in there, right?

00:24:58 That doesn't include Shaq.

00:24:59 James White isn't in that list.

00:25:01 A guy who played his whole career in New England.

00:25:04 Right, right.

00:25:05 And so that's, so it's one of those things where it's like, yeah, it doesn't tell the

00:25:08 whole story, but when you're missing that consistently for 10 years now, it's not good.

00:25:15 It's not good.

00:25:16 And that's, and that's exactly the reason that they're in the situation that they're

00:25:20 in.

00:25:21 Um, and there's a lot of reasons for it and we can talk about, you know, we can make excuses

00:25:25 for them and we can kind of, and I think there's some, some really reasonable things to say

00:25:29 that they were taking big swings.

00:25:33 They were trying to fill in depth and then they were also drafting for need.

00:25:37 Look, I said this before, but like if Bill Belichick, if I gave Bill Belichick truth

00:25:41 term and he said, look, I thought Nick Chubb was better than Sonny Michelle longterm, but

00:25:46 I needed a running back in 2018.

00:25:49 Sonny Michelle was the guy I knew if I had a running back and win the Superbowl and they

00:25:53 won the Superbowl with Sonny Michelle.

00:25:54 Now he wasn't good the rest of his career cause you know, cause of injuries.

00:25:57 But like, I don't care if Belichick draft him to win a Superbowl and they want to Superbowl

00:26:01 then like mission accomplished.

00:26:02 Sure it wasn't a great pick, but like it is what it is, you know?

00:26:05 Well, and the other thing, Michelle was the guy with less wear than Chubb coming out of

00:26:10 that Georgia backfield and the guy who had upside as a three down back in a way Chubb

00:26:14 really doesn't in the passing game.

00:26:16 And you can't, you can't foresee that he's going to get really bad knee issues two years

00:26:22 in and lose his acceleration.

00:26:25 Um, you go to a guy like Isaiah Wynn who was really good when he played and got really

00:26:30 bad injury issues.

00:26:32 And now isn't even a tackle anymore in the NFL.

00:26:36 Can't really see that coming.

00:26:37 Dominic Easley, a guy who was a borderline top five talent who just didn't work out.

00:26:43 There were injuries and I think off, well I think what effort concerns from what I heard

00:26:47 about him.

00:26:48 Um, if I'm remembering that correctly and you know, you're picking at the end of the

00:26:53 first round with a guy who you think is that talented, there's a risk there, but you take

00:26:58 it cause it's the end of the first round.

00:26:59 And if you hit on it, then you got like an Aaron Donald type guy there.

00:27:03 And you know, it's not how it goes.

00:27:05 I think, I think a lot of what has happened in that stretch has been bad luck in the first

00:27:10 round and then just constant missing on defensive backs in the second and defensive lineman

00:27:15 or front seven guys in the third.

00:27:16 Right.

00:27:17 Well, and that's, and that's really what it comes down to.

00:27:18 I mean, the easily one is one of the most egregious ones where like you knew he had

00:27:22 bad knees, you knew it, like you drafted him knowing he had bad knees, knowing he was,

00:27:28 you know, a guy that wasn't super coachable, but when he was on the field and when he was

00:27:33 focused, he was a beast, it was a recipe for disaster and it was a disaster.

00:27:38 And it was just like, what are we doing?

00:27:40 You know, but they were trying to catch that lighting in a bottle.

00:27:42 They're trying to get, get a guy that was a great interior pass rusher that they haven't

00:27:46 had really ever.

00:27:48 I mean, Wolf work is a, is a phenomenal player inside, but he wasn't really a pass rusher.

00:27:54 I would say they haven't had a real legitimate interior pass rushers since Richard Seymour.

00:27:58 You know what I mean?

00:27:59 Like, it's just, they don't have a guy like that.

00:28:01 And so you draft a guy like Christian bar more, he's pretty close to that.

00:28:05 Right.

00:28:06 And so like, you know, but then you also pick up a guy like Daniel quality, who's pretty

00:28:09 good at it.

00:28:10 No, you quality doesn't, it doesn't necessarily do it as often and consistently as Christian

00:28:13 Barnes reserve.

00:28:14 And he's also one I are now, but like, you know, but that's kind of the idea.

00:28:18 So it's, it's one of those, it's one of those different things.

00:28:23 And so, you know, and look at, I understand that winning has some influence.

00:28:28 I get it.

00:28:29 But the Devante Adams situation does not, it has nothing to do with winning that, that

00:28:34 has to do with winning.

00:28:36 I have no idea.

00:28:38 Did Joshua Daniels just like not learn a single thing from his first go around?

00:28:42 Cause the first time what he did was go to the AFC West immediately alienate the quarterback

00:28:48 that was liked by the fans traded him away for a different guy who wasn't as good.

00:28:52 The team fell apart and that was it.

00:28:54 And they got their star receiver at mad in the process.

00:28:58 Here you add a star receiver in year one who comes to your team because he wants to play

00:29:02 with that, that quarterback specifically as why he came to your team and you immediately

00:29:07 do the same thing and alienate the quarterback, trade him away, bring in a different guy.

00:29:12 And it's just made no sense.

00:29:15 It's in it's the, it's literally, you know, it's the same exact thing that happened in

00:29:21 Denver.

00:29:22 So I don't know what Josh McDonald's is doing there.

00:29:23 These are, I think, I think he gets a little bit underrated as a play caller now because

00:29:27 of how things have gone with him as a head coach and the frustrations we had at points

00:29:31 in new England, really good play designer, pretty good play caller, the management skills.

00:29:37 It's just bad.

00:29:38 Real bad.

00:29:39 Do that.

00:29:40 Devonta Adams on your team and you can't figure out a way to make him work.

00:29:44 That's I mean, that's coaching, right?

00:29:46 I mean, and again, like you said, he played with Derek on college.

00:29:50 That was the whole selling point.

00:29:51 He played with Derek on college.

00:29:53 He's excited.

00:29:54 He's coming.

00:29:55 He had a great year last year.

00:29:57 Their car was fine, but nothing special.

00:29:59 But like you bring in Jimmy G like who the hell was Jimmy G stinks.

00:30:04 Like I don't understand why, where you thought Jimmy G was good.

00:30:06 It doesn't make any sense.

00:30:07 He's the same guy.

00:30:08 He's the same guys, their car, but more conservative.

00:30:12 So you use good receiver less.

00:30:14 It makes no sense.

00:30:15 And it's the other thing too, if you're going to make a move at quarterback there, which

00:30:19 I think is fair because their car is not that good, right?

00:30:22 You have to have a conversation with Devonta Adams in there because he came for that reason.

00:30:28 He's a really good player and you want him to buy in.

00:30:30 So you have to say, Hey, I know you came to play with him.

00:30:33 We're going to have to make a move.

00:30:36 But we're doing it for this guy and it's Lamar Jackson we're going for.

00:30:39 Well, I'm sure Devonta Adams wouldn't be upset if it was Lamar Jackson they'd made the move

00:30:44 for instead.

00:30:45 But here they are.

00:30:46 It's a mind boggling ability to not manage the people, the human beings that you have

00:30:52 on your roster for two consecutive head coaching jobs in the same way.

00:30:57 It's crazy.

00:30:58 You know, it's and it's just one of those things.

00:30:59 And it's funny because, of course, everyone then attacks the Patriot way and says Belichick.

00:31:03 And of course, now Belichick is not winning without Brady.

00:31:05 So, you know, that's, of course, all the storylines that the Patriot way is really the Brady way

00:31:10 and all this other crap and whatever.

00:31:11 Right.

00:31:12 So the thing is, is that, yes, yes, Belichick can be a hard ass, of course.

00:31:20 But at the end of the day, man, it's like he's not he the players love him.

00:31:27 He built he he he is a master relationship builder.

00:31:31 Everyone that plays with him outside of a few random people, right?

00:31:36 Like he's the one right in this probably is not the Samuel who doesn't like him either.

00:31:39 But like there's a few guys that haven't played that I've played from that don't like him.

00:31:44 Beyond that, everyone else likes and respects him.

00:31:46 Everyone.

00:31:47 James Harrison came in and said, I wanted to hate these guys, man.

00:31:51 And Brady and Belichick were awesome.

00:31:52 Like, what am I going to do?

00:31:53 You know what I mean?

00:31:54 Like and so and so it's one of those things is the guys played against his whole career

00:31:56 and wanted to hate them so bad.

00:31:58 And he came in and was like, whoa, these guys are like really down to earth and like interesting

00:32:01 and cool.

00:32:02 And like, you know, it's building those relationships is not easy.

00:32:08 Building a culture where it's challenging and they push you to be your best at all times

00:32:13 and they try to keep you on edge all the time.

00:32:16 But also where you are appreciated and loved and you can have fun with them.

00:32:23 That's not an easy balance, right?

00:32:25 It's a hard line to tow, right?

00:32:28 And you got to win as part of it.

00:32:30 Well, that's part of it.

00:32:31 That's part of if you don't win, then people don't buy in, you know, and winning here is

00:32:35 a lot.

00:32:36 I mean, you look at the playoffs in 2013 and 2014 and all the drama that's come out since

00:32:40 then.

00:32:41 Yeah, it worked when they were all together, when they were all on the same team and they

00:32:44 were winning.

00:32:45 It worked and they were able to make it happen.

00:32:46 And yeah, so it's just it's it's hard.

00:32:50 It's hard.

00:32:51 It's a hard situation.

00:32:52 But again, I think Josh Daniels, it was surprising.

00:32:53 It happened so early.

00:32:54 It was really shocking that happened in the middle of night.

00:32:56 Like that was stupid that it happened in the middle of the night.

00:32:58 But but I just thought like, it's silly.

00:33:02 Like he deserved it.

00:33:04 He 100 percent deserved to be fired.

00:33:07 And you know, they were going to do it at the end of the year.

00:33:09 Adams was super like your star receiver who you're paying a ton of money to is pissed

00:33:14 off.

00:33:15 The entire world can see he's pissed off.

00:33:17 And Mark Davis sitting here fuming, saying, F this dude, like, get this coach the hell

00:33:23 out of here.

00:33:24 Put the rookie quarterback in because I mean, to me, the last straw to me was when Jimmy

00:33:31 G gets hurt and you start freaking Brian Hoyer instead of Aiden O'Connell.

00:33:35 And it's like, what are we doing?

00:33:38 Like, yeah, I get it.

00:33:40 I understand.

00:33:41 Like, but Brian Hoyer stinks.

00:33:43 We know Brian Hoyer stinks.

00:33:45 Like put the rookie in who's looked good at times.

00:33:48 It's just stupid.

00:33:49 Yeah, it was.

00:33:51 When Hoyer came in and immediately looked better than Jimmy G, too, when they played

00:33:56 New England.

00:33:57 Yeah.

00:33:58 Yeah.

00:33:59 It's just not good.

00:34:00 I mean, the thing is, if you're going to fire him, fire him immediately after that game

00:34:04 and then trade Devonta Adams because he doesn't want to be there.

00:34:09 Get what get back what you can for him.

00:34:11 Yeah, I think that the contract thing makes it difficult.

00:34:14 But my my theory going back to the offseason, too, is that Devonta Adams should have been

00:34:19 in Detroit.

00:34:20 I thought that made perfect sense for all my.

00:34:23 I also thought, you know, if Tom Brady didn't retire, that he'd end up in Detroit.

00:34:28 That would all work out together, which didn't happen.

00:34:30 But still, you know what, though?

00:34:31 The other part of it, too, for me is that it's not it's a situation for me that.

00:34:37 Is supposedly one person said they didn't even answer the phones yesterday during the

00:34:41 trade deadline.

00:34:42 Yeah.

00:34:43 Right.

00:34:44 Like they didn't even answer the phones because why would you?

00:34:45 You know, you're getting fired in the next few weeks.

00:34:49 Why are you trading it?

00:34:50 Why am I helping out the next guy?

00:34:51 Screw that, dude.

00:34:53 And that's it's a shitty thing to do.

00:34:55 But you're right.

00:34:56 The game ends.

00:34:57 You're fired later, dude.

00:34:58 You're fired.

00:34:59 And then tomorrow we can handle, you know, tomorrow someone else can deal with this.

00:35:03 Right.

00:35:04 And so I really think I wonder, I don't know, but I wonder, like, if he was going to fire

00:35:09 him at the end of the year and then Josh basically like news getting fired at the end of the

00:35:13 year and was like, dude, screw you, man.

00:35:15 I'm not treating anyone about doing anything.

00:35:17 And Mark Mark Davis is like, all right, that's it.

00:35:20 The flip side is they watch what happened in that football games.

00:35:23 And we just got to pull this now.

00:35:25 And while figuring it out, they're like, we're not doing anything at the deadline.

00:35:28 Right.

00:35:29 Yeah.

00:35:30 Maybe we figure out what's going on here.

00:35:31 So I don't know.

00:35:33 But anyways, so let's let's let's set a break and then then we'll come back.

00:35:38 I know you had one thing you want to talk about the Dolphins game.

00:35:41 Yeah.

00:35:42 I want to talk about Belichick just a little bit.

00:35:45 And then I can.

00:35:46 I got an observation about the Dolphins in that game that will relate back to New England

00:35:49 and kind of, I think, strategy going forward and evaluating what they have now.

00:35:53 All right.

00:35:54 So here comes a break and then we'll go from there.

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00:36:57 So we are back.

00:37:00 So let's what's that thing?

00:37:02 The observation you had about the Dolphins game.

00:37:04 It's it's I want to go back to the second touchdown drive the Dolphins had and I think

00:37:12 how ridiculous it was and how the way it played out.

00:37:16 And I think what it means for the quarterback position in New England.

00:37:20 So the context here, this is when it was right after the Dolphins had scored that touchdown

00:37:25 and Tyree kill.

00:37:26 Patriots get the ball.

00:37:27 Don't do anything with it.

00:37:28 They go backwards and they punt the ball to Miami.

00:37:31 Dolphins get the ball to 46 yard line.

00:37:33 I had Jessica Brand check this stat for me and what she had told me that Dolphins then

00:37:41 went on a 14 play 54 yard touchdown drive.

00:37:47 That's 3.7 yards per play on a touchdown drive.

00:37:50 That was in a cloud of dust.

00:37:51 3.7 yards would be the lowest yards per play of any team in the NFL right now.

00:37:57 And as far as she could tell, at least since 2001, since that had has tracked it, that

00:38:01 is the most plays for that, the shortest yardage for that number of plays in a drive ever.

00:38:11 And you look at the way it happened.

00:38:14 You have a third and long in there where the Dolphins pick up enough yards, go for it on

00:38:19 the fourth, get it.

00:38:20 Third and long, they pick up enough yards, go for it, get it.

00:38:24 Third and goal, they get the penalty on the pass interference.

00:38:28 But the takeaway in there was that this Dolphins team is almost like the Eagles in a way.

00:38:36 The Eagles, you have to play differently because if it's fourth and one or fourth and two,

00:38:42 they have the first down.

00:38:43 That's basically how that's going to go.

00:38:45 And the way Miami's offense is to defend in short yardage, they can be so aggressive with

00:38:49 it and there's not much you can do.

00:38:53 They ran screens on third and long both times and they picked up most of the yards they

00:38:58 needed.

00:38:59 And by most conventional stats, you say they picked up most of the yards, but not all of

00:39:03 them.

00:39:04 So it's not a successful play because it's third down.

00:39:06 You didn't get the first to Miami.

00:39:08 It's a success because you get close enough that they can attack you.

00:39:12 The fourth and fourth, they picked up Patriots covered it perfectly.

00:39:15 It didn't matter because two scrambles and takes it up.

00:39:19 The second one, it's a fourth and one.

00:39:21 They run a screen pass.

00:39:22 It gets like two yards, maybe three yards.

00:39:25 And both of those plays were ones of the Patriots have to line up in a certain way to defend

00:39:29 it.

00:39:30 And it just leaves something open because they're that hard to defend.

00:39:34 The same thing goes for the plays before that, where they ran the screens.

00:39:38 Why do the screens pick up so many yards?

00:39:40 Because you are terrified of what those receivers are going to do to you.

00:39:43 You have to play off.

00:39:45 I didn't, I didn't think the Patriots had a bad drive at all.

00:39:48 The Patriots actually had a drive that you would usually consider a good defensive drive

00:39:52 by any conventional metric or anything.

00:39:54 And it's a touchdown for the opposition.

00:39:57 What it comes down to is the way you can threaten with an offense.

00:40:00 And to I thought to it was really, really good in this game going back.

00:40:03 He was very accurate.

00:40:05 He didn't make bad mistakes except for that one pick that he threw.

00:40:10 And he he was very good at anticipating what the defense was going to do.

00:40:14 And we've talked a lot about what it takes for Mac to be successful in the NFL.

00:40:19 And it's a lot of the same things we talked about with to it's anticipation, it's reading

00:40:23 defenses, putting the ball where it needs to go driving, driving throws because you

00:40:28 don't have the strongest arm and making up for it.

00:40:31 And to his ability to read plays with anticipation, deliver the ball on time.

00:40:36 There were a number of plays there where it's, you know, it's the same thing we talked about

00:40:40 the Patriots offense where you need to pick up just small chunks of yards at a time because

00:40:44 you're working.

00:40:45 That's the way the field's working and he's hitting it one time under pressure every time.

00:40:50 And when he makes mistakes, it's almost never interceptions.

00:40:53 And the gulf between watching him and watching what Mac does, I think shows how far Mac will

00:40:59 have to go to get to that level.

00:41:01 It was I was surprised by just the difference in mental ability on both sides there.

00:41:07 And I came I came out of this week still feeling like I wasn't 100% sure where I was with Mac

00:41:13 and watching Tua and what's in the division there.

00:41:16 I think Josh Allen's a better quarterback than Tua and watching what he did.

00:41:20 It's all right.

00:41:21 I don't think Mac is going to get to this level and he can't, he just can't do it like

00:41:25 this and it needs to be somebody else back there.

00:41:29 Maybe not next year, but if we're going to win Super Bowls again, it's not, it's going

00:41:32 to be with a different quarterback.

00:41:33 A hundred percent.

00:41:34 And look, I think, I think ultimately what it comes down to at Mac Jones is that, you

00:41:38 know, the Patriots just, they thought that he'd be able to win with his mind.

00:41:42 They thought that he'd be able to outsmart people before the snap, pre snap, post snap,

00:41:47 things like that.

00:41:48 He hasn't done it.

00:41:49 He did it a little bit as rookie or he did it.

00:41:51 He did it well for a rookie, his rookie year.

00:41:55 He hasn't done it since.

00:41:56 Right.

00:41:57 And I get it.

00:41:58 I understand he had a bad offensive line.

00:41:59 I understand.

00:42:00 I get it.

00:42:01 He had a bad offensive line.

00:42:02 You know, Ross is a bad offensive line.

00:42:03 Tua.

00:42:04 Yeah.

00:42:05 You know, Ross is a bad offensive line.

00:42:06 Josh Allen.

00:42:07 You know, Ross is a bad offensive line.

00:42:10 Zach Wilson.

00:42:11 Yeah, these guys have Zach Wilson is playing better than Mac Jones right now.

00:42:15 Zach Wilson.

00:42:16 Yeah.

00:42:17 And it's watching Tua, the way Tua was stepping into throws with his line was different because

00:42:23 then you go back and you watch the next Patriots possession, the one before and they're calling

00:42:28 plays where there's guys open at Mac's not seeing it and he should be seeing it.

00:42:32 And part of the reason he's not seeing it is because he's not stepping up in the pockets

00:42:35 that are there.

00:42:36 And that's kind of the thing we've talked about with Mac for a while now.

00:42:39 I don't know exactly what caused it.

00:42:41 Maybe it is the offensive line that's given him PTSD and that's it and he's broken.

00:42:45 But I don't I don't see it getting fixed anytime soon.

00:42:48 He's not stepping up in the pockets.

00:42:50 He's not reading out the field.

00:42:52 We talked about it for the Miami game.

00:42:53 We talked about it for the Vegas game.

00:42:55 We talked about it all season long.

00:42:57 He's not he's just not the process isn't working there.

00:43:00 He's not playing like a smart quarterback when he's on the field.

00:43:04 There is there is a player they could have gotten the 15, 20, 25 yard play to pop Douglas.

00:43:08 And instead it's he's not stepping up into the pocket.

00:43:12 He's not finishing his progression.

00:43:13 He's thrown an incompletion.

00:43:14 And that was right before that Miami drive and just watching the way that happened.

00:43:18 Right.

00:43:19 Well, how about the one with the with Devante Parker?

00:43:22 He's got Parker open for a touchdown on a slant and he just doesn't throw it to him.

00:43:26 Right.

00:43:27 He has Devante Parker open for a first down where he takes a sack and he's looking at

00:43:32 Ramondre Stevenson running a route against Jaylon Ramsey.

00:43:37 Like what are we doing, dude?

00:43:38 He's just staring down Ramondre doesn't even look across the middle for a wide open Devante

00:43:43 Parker.

00:43:44 And it's just that's that's the type of stuff for me where I just I don't get it.

00:43:50 Right.

00:43:51 I don't get it.

00:43:52 And I know Ed is Ed obviously is a big Mac Jones guy.

00:43:54 I get it.

00:43:55 I understand people want to like Mac Jones.

00:43:58 People want to defend Mac Jones.

00:44:00 I don't want to have to go look for another quarterback.

00:44:02 That's hard.

00:44:03 But he's not the guy.

00:44:04 He's simply he just simply is not the guy.

00:44:06 Not just for him.

00:44:08 If you know, maybe maybe he turns over a new leaf and shows all of this for the rest of

00:44:12 the season.

00:44:13 I doubt it.

00:44:14 But if he does, I'll change my opinion on him.

00:44:15 Right.

00:44:16 I'm just 20.

00:44:17 We've seen a lot of we've seen a lot of Mac Jones looking like this.

00:44:20 Some of this was happening in his rookie year when he had a good offensive line and some

00:44:24 decent weapons around him and a good play caller and all that.

00:44:27 Right.

00:44:28 And in 2021 in 2021, they treated him like a rookie.

00:44:33 They didn't open up the total offense.

00:44:36 They treated him like a rookie.

00:44:38 Twenty twenty two.

00:44:39 They didn't this year.

00:44:40 They didn't.

00:44:41 Everyone asked, like, why did why did Bailey's Abby look so different than Mac Jones?

00:44:46 The reason why Bailey's Abby looked different than Mac Jones, because they gave him they

00:44:48 let him run the offense as if he was a rookie quarterback.

00:44:51 And they also played rolling to this guy.

00:44:53 Don't throw it to anyone else.

00:44:54 Don't even look at that guy.

00:44:55 Just throw it.

00:44:56 They play the Lions and the Browns to both of which were ranked as the worst defense

00:45:02 in the NFL the week that they faced them.

00:45:04 That helps.

00:45:05 And so, you know, like that helps, too.

00:45:07 But but it's just one of those things where it's like, yeah, they treat them like a rookie.

00:45:13 Anytime you've treated Mac Jones as anything other than a rookie, he's looked like crap.

00:45:18 I mean, like at some point we're going to sit here and say we can talk about the offensive

00:45:22 line and we can talk about the weapons and we can talk about that.

00:45:25 Well, last year was because Mattie P was here.

00:45:29 And now this year it's because the weapons will now wait a second.

00:45:33 What weapons did he have in 2021?

00:45:35 He doesn't have this year.

00:45:36 I would argue his weapons this year are better than the weapons he had in 2021.

00:45:42 So like so that's that's the thing about that.

00:45:45 Right.

00:45:46 And so and look, here's the problem.

00:45:48 Right.

00:45:49 And I think this segues nicely into into what I want to talk about next.

00:45:53 And that's Bill Belichick.

00:45:54 Is that, you know, the the issue that I have and the thing that sucks about this is that

00:46:01 the haters, the Bill Belichick haters, the people that have hated Bill Belichick since

00:46:04 he got here because he doesn't talk to the media and he's not happy with the media and

00:46:08 all this bullshit.

00:46:09 You know, those people are going to win, right, because they're going to sit here and say

00:46:14 Belichick suck without Brady and he was never good and he was doing all that crap.

00:46:18 Right.

00:46:19 And like and like I I honestly what I want to have happen, I want Bill Belichick to go

00:46:25 somewhere else with a Super Bowl somewhere else just so I can say, you morons, this is

00:46:30 what you had.

00:46:31 Right.

00:46:32 And so and so that's that's the situation.

00:46:35 So but anyway, and I think based on how the defense has played, I think like the fact

00:46:40 that they gave up thirty one points to Miami, I think had a lot more to do with how good

00:46:45 Miami is than any issues on the Patriots defense, except for, you know, personnel guys being

00:46:51 hurt.

00:46:52 Yeah, you can see the difference in the talent there.

00:46:54 That was apparent because I thought the Patriots probably played about as many good plays on

00:46:59 defense as the Dolphins had on offense, but the just the explosive plays were kind of

00:47:05 the difference.

00:47:06 And it was those two two blown coverages on touchdowns that did it.

00:47:09 And Patriots only had one on kind of a blown coverage with Kendrick Bourne there.

00:47:13 But no, Belichick still has it.

00:47:16 I don't know exactly how good he is in this modern NFL, but that doesn't change anything

00:47:21 about his legacy, because when it was the modern NFL in 2001, what it looked like that

00:47:26 year, it was really good and it was the modern NFL with the Kagan offense and the bills.

00:47:31 He had a defensive game plan so good they got him in the Hall of Fame.

00:47:33 I mean, it's not right.

00:47:36 Every season's a new puzzle.

00:47:37 Every season's a new game here trying to figure out what strategies are in the NFL.

00:47:41 And he's gotten slightly behind the times with a quarterback who just isn't that good

00:47:45 right now.

00:47:46 A quarterback who isn't that good is like the thing that gets coaches fired.

00:47:50 That's got to be the number one thing that gets a coach fired in the NFL is having a

00:47:53 quarterback that isn't that good.

00:47:55 Yeah, the one thing, the one thing that I think you can criticize Bill the most for

00:48:00 is not having a super progressive offensive coach come through his tree.

00:48:07 So like, so that's, that's one of the things for me where I can look at it and say, you

00:48:13 should have brought someone in from the outside.

00:48:14 You should have brought someone, maybe not necessarily McVay, right.

00:48:18 But like somebody like a Sean McVay, their coaching tree, some like dumpy assistant coach

00:48:26 and just bring this guy in as an offensive assistant, right.

00:48:30 And let him work his way up into, into offensive coordinator and like let it go from there

00:48:35 because you held on to Joss McDaniels forever and then he left.

00:48:41 And then instead of bringing in some young hotshot, you brought in Matty P and that was

00:48:46 a disaster.

00:48:47 And then when Matty P didn't work out, you brought back Bill O'Brien and it's like the

00:48:50 same thing.

00:48:51 We're running the same offense that we ran with Tom Brady when the NFL was very different

00:48:57 15 years ago.

00:48:58 Right.

00:48:59 And so, and I think that that's, you know, I think that that's one of those things where

00:49:04 it's difficult because you know, it's, it's hard and that's, and that's one of those things.

00:49:10 And it's funny, Jeremy made a comment about, about Belichick's coaching tree and how Belichick's

00:49:14 coaching tree is so bad and it's, and it's an embarrassment and this and that.

00:49:17 Go take a look, go take a look.

00:49:19 Just out of curiosity, go take a look at the 1993 and 1994 and 1995 Cleveland Browns.

00:49:25 Just take a look, just peruse, just peruse.

00:49:28 I think you'll recognize some of the names.

00:49:31 You might recognize every freaking one of them.

00:49:34 So like it becomes a situation where it's like, yeah, the guys, he was so good in New

00:49:39 England and he was so good in New England because he did things a certain way.

00:49:43 And I think guys fell into that trap of wanting to be that certain way that he was in New

00:49:49 England and it just doesn't work.

00:49:51 Right.

00:49:52 One of the things that Belichick, one of the reasons why Belichick failed in Cleveland,

00:49:55 and it's not the only reason, but one of the reasons he failed in Cleveland is because

00:49:58 he tried to be like Bill Parcells.

00:50:00 He came from Bill Parcells coaching tree.

00:50:02 He tried to be like Bill Parcells.

00:50:04 He wasn't Bill Parcells.

00:50:05 And so when it wasn't working, then he got fired and he realized that.

00:50:12 And he said, I'm going to grow from that and I'm going to not be Bill Belichick, Bill

00:50:16 Parcells.

00:50:17 I'm going to be Bill Belichick.

00:50:18 Right.

00:50:19 And so, and he's done that.

00:50:20 And I think that for whatever reason, his coaching tree hasn't figured that out yet.

00:50:24 And I don't know why, but they haven't.

00:50:27 He also failed in Cleveland because they announced during the season that the team was getting

00:50:31 moved.

00:50:32 That's also true.

00:50:33 Yeah.

00:50:34 Right.

00:50:35 Well, like, I don't know, we've been doing the whole coaching tree discussion with Belichick

00:50:39 since like 2005 with Charlie Weiss and Romeo Cranel.

00:50:43 And it's like, it's 2023.

00:50:46 I'm not that interested in it at this point.

00:50:49 These guys are their own human beings who are going to live and die off of their own

00:50:52 abilities as head coach.

00:50:54 And how well Josh McDaniels does when he becomes a head coach has no bearing on how good Bill

00:50:59 Belichick was like Bill Belichick's job is to win football games.

00:51:04 And he's been very, very good at that for a very long time now.

00:51:08 And I don't think what his assistants went on to do later has any real bearing here on

00:51:15 how he should be judged in his regard of his ability to win football games.

00:51:19 I don't think it's interesting.

00:51:20 We're looking towards the future and who they might hire next.

00:51:23 If they want to bring in McDaniels as a head coach, please know.

00:51:27 But I just don't, I don't find it that compelling a discussion at this point.

00:51:33 We've been doing it for 20 years and doing it.

00:51:35 It just, you know, it becomes a situation where you want to ask those questions and

00:51:40 it just, you know, whatever, dude, it just is what it is and that's fine.

00:51:46 And you know, it doesn't matter.

00:51:48 Like people, people hate Belichick and I've hated Belichick for years for a multitude

00:51:52 of reasons, right?

00:51:53 He sees this and he's that and I don't like them and fine.

00:51:57 That's okay.

00:51:58 It's okay for you to hate Belichick, right?

00:51:59 It's all right.

00:52:00 You're wrong.

00:52:01 You sound dumb.

00:52:03 But like, you know, you're only going to remember these few years.

00:52:07 And so you're going to say that he was nothing without, without Brady, right?

00:52:11 And so fine.

00:52:12 But meanwhile, in the middle of a rebuild in 2020 with one of the worst lineups I've

00:52:16 ever seen in my entire life with a quarterback that literally couldn't throw the ball, they

00:52:20 went seven and nine.

00:52:21 So yeah.

00:52:22 And they were like a yard away from being eight and eight in Seattle.

00:52:28 If they win that game and they push it through like that's Bill.

00:52:32 Bill is still one of the better defensive coaches in the league currently right now

00:52:38 in developing game plans to beat teams.

00:52:40 I think he's still pretty good, like CEO of running a football operation.

00:52:46 I think we've just seen the brain drain of some of the pieces around him in general.

00:52:50 They've had to turn through a lot of guys because these guys have gotten jobs elsewhere

00:52:53 and we've talked about that for a while now.

00:52:58 And you know, if you're trying to win football games and your quarterback isn't that good,

00:53:01 you're going to have a hard time.

00:53:02 And I haven't got a good quarterback quarterback play since Tom Brady left.

00:53:05 And I don't think that's really a surprise here.

00:53:08 Right.

00:53:09 And that's, you know, and ultimately what it comes down to.

00:53:11 And again, you know, we got to understand too, I'm not giving a pass to anyone.

00:53:17 I'm not saying it's not Bill Belichick's fault.

00:53:19 I'm not saying he's done everything right.

00:53:21 Cause he hasn't, right.

00:53:22 He hasn't.

00:53:23 But like, you have to remember, you have, we've missed on, on quite a few draft picks,

00:53:29 of course, right.

00:53:31 Every team misses on a bunch of draft picks.

00:53:32 Every team.

00:53:33 Yeah.

00:53:34 We also just had bad luck too.

00:53:35 Right.

00:53:36 Like we just have, you know, like it's just not, if you draft Jimmy Garoppolo in 2017

00:53:42 instead of 2014, well, you're in a different situation than you were, right.

00:53:48 Where you let, we let Brady walk after 2019 and you let Jimmy Garoppolo take over in 2020.

00:53:54 Right.

00:53:55 And so like, and look, I know, I know Jimmy G's not anything special, but like he's at

00:53:59 least a competent player when he's in this, when he's in the situation that he's working

00:54:03 on.

00:54:04 Right.

00:54:05 And so like, it's, it's one of those things where it's like, things just didn't work out

00:54:08 the way that they had stood him.

00:54:10 They thought said him was going to be all right as the replacement.

00:54:13 He wasn't.

00:54:14 So they went out and signed Cam Newton and Cam Newton brought a different style of offense,

00:54:17 but really couldn't throw the ball.

00:54:18 So there, there are, there are some of those things.

00:54:21 And again, the, the talent evaluation for offensive players has been awful.

00:54:29 It's been awful.

00:54:30 And that's simple development.

00:54:32 The talent evaluation development for offensive players has been awful, right?

00:54:35 It's been bad, but again, you cannot say they haven't tried.

00:54:41 They tried and they failed over and over again, right?

00:54:45 They've devoted more assets to the offense side of the football.

00:54:48 And by the way, it's not that close.

00:54:50 They've devoted way more assets to the offense side of the football than they have to the

00:54:54 defense side of the football.

00:54:55 And that's including cap space and some of the spending they've done and trades and all

00:54:59 that other stuff.

00:55:00 Like, come on, it's not close.

00:55:01 It's gone back to the bill thing too.

00:55:03 So when we're talking about the legacy of bill, which some people like to bring up what's

00:55:06 happened the last couple of years is a blip compared to the best 20 year run any franchise

00:55:13 has ever had.

00:55:14 Right.

00:55:15 Now, when it comes to it, there's the, the Florio report that he insisted was not a report

00:55:22 that was just something that somebody else had told him he was hearing.

00:55:29 Which you know, if you can't even say that it's a report, I don't really think I'm going

00:55:32 to take it seriously, but at least a reporter is saying that some people are talking about

00:55:38 the idea that bill might get traded to Washington.

00:55:41 And what I'll say, well, I'm not going to take what Florio says on it seriously, just

00:55:45 because he's not taking it seriously in the way he's saying it.

00:55:49 What I will say is I think it makes some sense.

00:55:51 Bill Belichick is still good at what he does.

00:55:54 If the Patriots are looking to move on, getting draft capital back for coach is an awesome

00:56:00 thing.

00:56:02 And I think one of the things when you look at some of the teams that are successful,

00:56:07 they kind of get a break when it comes to draft capital at some point along the line.

00:56:12 Miami right now, why do they have Tyreek Hill?

00:56:16 Because they were awful that one year.

00:56:18 They got a top pick and the Niners gave them a whole draft hall to come up and they turned

00:56:22 those picks into really good players by trading with them.

00:56:27 One of the reasons the Bengals have gotten as good as they were is because Joe Burrow

00:56:31 got hurt and the team stank and they got another high pick because of it.

00:56:36 Things like that where teams just kind of get lucky and end up with something in the

00:56:39 draft of the Eagles have had a bunch of picks because the Saints keep trading with them

00:56:43 and given them extra first rounders in there.

00:56:46 The things like that that keep happening and somebody is going to give you a first round

00:56:49 pick for Bill Belichick, which I would have to imagine would be the price you'd have to

00:56:54 ask for.

00:56:56 This point, especially with the results on the field have been and the discussions about

00:57:00 him possibly being fired anyway, I think you at least have to consider that.

00:57:03 I think it's a plausible idea and commanders are not a playoff team.

00:57:07 I mean, you're looking at having two top 15 picks in the draft with one of them probably

00:57:13 being top five, depending on what happens with New England here.

00:57:16 But I mean, it could be two top 10 picks, be a top five and a top 15.

00:57:20 I don't know exactly where it would break down, but yeah, that would be hard to pass

00:57:26 up on.

00:57:27 That kind of infusion of young talent that you could get with that would be huge.

00:57:32 Well, the one thing and look, I don't know.

00:57:36 First of all, Flora is a dummy.

00:57:39 But like what I will say is that what he said that made sense that I agreed with and I said

00:57:46 it as soon as I saw the report, I said it.

00:57:50 Bill Belichick did not leak his contract details.

00:57:53 Didn't he did not leak his contract details.

00:57:56 Those details, those details were leaked by the crafts.

00:58:00 That's what they were leaked by was by the crafts.

00:58:02 OK, they leaked that for four.

00:58:05 To me, it was because this is our guy and we're supporting him and I know people are

00:58:09 talking about firing him, but we're not.

00:58:12 But what Flora said, and I thought that made sense, too, was that we do support him and

00:58:18 also we're not firing him.

00:58:19 So what that means is that if you want him, you're going to have to come get him.

00:58:26 And so, you know, look, maybe they will do that.

00:58:29 Maybe they won't do that.

00:58:30 Maybe it'll be Washington.

00:58:31 Maybe it won't.

00:58:32 Maybe it'll be Chicago.

00:58:33 Because he refuses 100 percent getting fired.

00:58:35 Chicago is going to have to probably top five picks.

00:58:39 Now, if you're Chicago.

00:58:43 And you offered the Patriots instead of giving them a first round pick in twenty twenty four,

00:58:46 if you have to offer them, you know, you don't have your second pick anymore, but a third

00:58:50 round pick in twenty twenty four and a first round pick in twenty twenty five.

00:58:55 Well, now I'd be OK with that still.

00:58:57 Right.

00:58:58 But the thing is, is that I just think for the Patriots.

00:59:04 Moving on for Bill Belichick may not be the worst idea.

00:59:07 And if you're able to get a high draft pick for it, it makes a lot of sense.

00:59:12 Now, look, at the end of the day, it comes down to can you hit on your draft picks?

00:59:18 The New York Jets have sucked forever.

00:59:20 Why?

00:59:21 Because they always miss on their draft picks that they just keep missing on the draft picks

00:59:25 and their coaching sucks.

00:59:26 But like.

00:59:29 You if you continuously missing your draft picks, you're never going to have good players.

00:59:33 Right.

00:59:34 It starts with the draft.

00:59:36 And so like the Patriots are going to have to turn it around and hit on some draft picks.

00:59:39 It's going to have to happen.

00:59:41 Right.

00:59:42 They did.

00:59:43 They did this year.

00:59:44 Yeah, and they did.

00:59:45 And so and I would say that they did last year as well.

00:59:46 And I understand that.

00:59:51 I get it right.

00:59:52 I understand that maybe.

00:59:57 You know, whatever.

00:59:59 You don't love the top of the draft, right?

01:00:01 I don't love Taekwon Thornton either.

01:00:03 Cole Strange is fine, but maybe not great.

01:00:06 OK, but it's one of those situations with the Patriots where I think they got you get

01:00:11 Jack Jones, you get Marcus Jones, you've got you guys that could help out last year.

01:00:15 Now, you didn't hit it all of those guys, but you hit it enough that you're like, OK,

01:00:20 I feel like I feel pretty good about what they got last year.

01:00:24 This year, again, like you said, Christian Gonzalez is a home run.

01:00:27 I know he's hurt this year, but like, my God, that guy's a stud.

01:00:31 Keone White looks like he's going to be a really good player.

01:00:33 Marte Mapu we'll see.

01:00:34 Siddy So looks like he's a good player.

01:00:36 Like that's it's one of those things for me that like.

01:00:40 I just I don't know, man, it's it's one of those that I look at it and just think like

01:00:45 we're going to be all right if we continue to turn this thing around.

01:00:49 But the other the other part of it is that.

01:00:52 They drafted all defensive players this year, which is great, and I'm happy about that.

01:00:57 And it looks like Chad Rowland, after starting out the season, kind of rough, he's turned

01:01:01 it around and is kind of, you know, leveled back out and has looked good.

01:01:05 Bryce Berenger looks good, right?

01:01:06 So like they hit on, it looks like they hit on both those picks, which is great.

01:01:11 But like at a certain point, you're going to have to hit on not just, you know, in Pop

01:01:15 Douglas and mentions to which is true, right?

01:01:17 They hit on Pop Douglas, it looks like for a six round pick, certainly right.

01:01:22 At a certain point, though, you're going to have to you're going to have to look at it

01:01:27 and say, this is where we're at.

01:01:31 We have to hit on solid offensive players and not just offensive players, right?

01:01:38 And quarterback by receiver, those are the positions you have to hit on, and they haven't

01:01:42 yet.

01:01:43 And that's, you know, it's where you're regardless of who's going to be the GM or the coach of

01:01:48 the team next year, because it could be Bill back.

01:01:50 And I'm not going to get too upset if that is what it ends up being.

01:01:53 Right.

01:01:54 I would have questions, but we'll see where things stand at the end of the season, depending

01:02:01 on how they pick things up here.

01:02:02 And there's the Kendrick Bourne injury and just, you know, what teams you can be on the

01:02:05 field.

01:02:06 But it's a good draft for offensive talent.

01:02:09 I really like the receivers here.

01:02:10 The more I watch them, the more I like this receiving class.

01:02:13 I got to get into the quarterbacks more, but there's some good players there.

01:02:16 And I think there's guys that are worth taking in the second, third round.

01:02:20 So you can at least take a flyer on and let them come in and compete.

01:02:23 Usually don't get guys there.

01:02:24 But I was I was thinking about this.

01:02:27 One of the things I find interesting about the AFC versus the NFC right now in general,

01:02:32 look at the quarterback disparity about how teams got them.

01:02:34 Look at the AFC Dolphins, too, is their first round pick.

01:02:38 Josh Allen, the Bills first round pick Mahomes, the Chiefs first round pick Herbert, the Chargers

01:02:42 first round pick Burrow, the Bengals first round pick CJ Stroud, Anthony Richardson,

01:02:47 first round picks Trevor Lawrence, first round pick all of that stuff.

01:02:51 And then you go over to the NFC San Francisco.

01:02:53 They got Brock Purdy and he got Seattle with Gino Smith.

01:02:59 He was a first round pick.

01:03:00 That's not how we got to Seattle.

01:03:02 Come to the NFC East.

01:03:04 Dak Prescott, third, fourth rounder.

01:03:06 Third, third round pick, I think.

01:03:08 Yeah.

01:03:09 Yeah.

01:03:10 Jalen Hurts, second round pick.

01:03:13 And then the NFC North, you've got Jerry Goff, who, yeah, was a number one pick.

01:03:18 Not for the Lions.

01:03:19 He got shipped out of where he was.

01:03:21 And I've got Kirk Cousins, who obviously that hasn't really that fourth round pick.

01:03:26 Right.

01:03:27 Was he a fourth round pick?

01:03:28 He was.

01:03:29 But he got to Minnesota as the highest paid free agent.

01:03:30 Even the Rams, with how they've been, they traded for Matt Stafford, who was also a first

01:03:34 round pick.

01:03:35 But if you look at where the NFC is right now, and the AFC is really interesting.

01:03:41 AFC is all these guys who drafted and developed their own quarterbacks.

01:03:44 The NFC is, you know, late round picks, mid round picks, trading for guys, signing guys.

01:03:50 I think that goes to show that there are multiple ways to skin this cat.

01:03:53 And also, unless the Patriots are picking the top of the draft with an elite talent

01:03:58 there, they might not be able, they might not be, you know, picking a guy who's going

01:04:03 to be able to fight with the AFC team is the way that those guys are drafting quarterbacks.

01:04:08 So if you want to beat them, you might have to do things a little bit differently.

01:04:10 Yeah.

01:04:11 So we'll be able to talk more specifically about the draft as we get closer, as we learn

01:04:15 more about the prospects, as we learn more about the where the Patriots set schedule

01:04:19 gets easier here.

01:04:20 Washington on Sunday.

01:04:21 We didn't talk about the game here.

01:04:24 I think it's very winnable.

01:04:25 I don't think Washington's a very good team.

01:04:26 I think their defense is atrocious down the two best pass rushers with nobody good in

01:04:30 the secondary.

01:04:32 So Patriots, I think, can win this game.

01:04:35 And I don't know.

01:04:37 I don't know how many games the Patriots are going to win with how hurt they are.

01:04:39 I think the biggest wins.

01:04:42 Yeah.

01:04:43 The biggest thing for me is that Washington made it pretty clear they're going to tank.

01:04:47 They traded their two.

01:04:49 What I think is there is there two best players, you know, and you can make an argument.

01:04:54 Terry McLaurin is better, you know, is whatever.

01:04:56 But but you get the idea that two of their best defensive players, they just traded for

01:05:01 draft picks straight up for draft picks.

01:05:03 And so that is a is a challenge.

01:05:08 Right.

01:05:09 But see, the thing for me is that what scares me is that typically when you think teams

01:05:13 are going to tank, they actually turn around and play really well for a week or two and

01:05:19 then they look like terrible.

01:05:21 So like so that's one of those things for me that like that's what worries me.

01:05:25 By the way, Jerry's asking about Devante Adams.

01:05:28 Devante Adams, you're not going to be available until the offseason.

01:05:32 And I think I would think.

01:05:36 I would think that that he's not going to be.

01:05:42 What's it called?

01:05:43 I'm not sure.

01:05:44 I don't think he's going to be traded because you're going to get a new coach, new coaches

01:05:48 and I want to deal unless he's unless he's such a malcontent that you don't have to.

01:05:53 And I think and I wouldn't if the Patriots were a playoff team this year, I wouldn't

01:05:58 mind trading for Devante Adams.

01:05:59 I think that'd be a great move because you're giving up the 25th pick for Devante Adams

01:06:03 for a team that was just a playoff team.

01:06:06 That's not where they are.

01:06:07 You know, if they're picking top 10, you're probably not going to draft Devante Adams

01:06:11 there because it's very hard to get a player that good.

01:06:13 But I think you can draft the guy who is a very good wide receiver prospect, but you're

01:06:17 not going to have to pay the money that Devante Adams has.

01:06:21 And I think that is a and who's, you know, in theory, you can resign and keep around.

01:06:25 And that one player is a big part of your passing game for a decade plus.

01:06:30 And I think that is kind of what you're going for.

01:06:32 And I like the idea.

01:06:33 I don't hate the idea of trading for Devante Adams.

01:06:35 I just I think you're if you're trading for a guy, it's going to be Justin Jefferson because

01:06:40 he doesn't want to resign in Minnesota or Brandon Iuke because he doesn't want to resign

01:06:45 in San Francisco.

01:06:46 If you're making a trade, I think you're going for that to your player.

01:06:48 Yeah, 100 percent.

01:06:49 And that's you know, that's one of those things for me that like when you start looking

01:06:54 at and I understand, right, I do get it where you sit there and say, like, whoa.

01:07:01 Yes, but.

01:07:04 You know, it's Devante Adams, right?

01:07:05 He's a great player and that is definitely true.

01:07:09 But like, for instance, the Patriots traded away.

01:07:14 Traded for Brandon Cooks in 2017.

01:07:16 Right.

01:07:17 They traded the first time for Brandon Cooks.

01:07:18 They only had him for one year.

01:07:19 Then they end up trading him back for a first round pick.

01:07:22 They traded it to Owens.

01:07:23 It was the number.

01:07:24 It was a 32 pick.

01:07:26 It was 32nd pick overall.

01:07:28 They traded to New Orleans, right?

01:07:29 New Orleans ended up drafting Ryan Ramchick there, who is a fine player, not a great player,

01:07:34 but a fine player.

01:07:35 But that's a situation where if you really needed a wide receiver, you draft a wide receiver

01:07:41 in that situation.

01:07:42 The interesting thing is Juju was taken in the second round that year.

01:07:44 But like, but like, it's it's one of those situations.

01:07:48 Cooper Cup gets drafted in the third round that year.

01:07:51 Right.

01:07:52 So, you know, Curtis Samuels got drafted a few, you know, pick number 40.

01:07:57 So like, so there are guys that that could have been had if you really needed a wide

01:08:02 receiver and you love the and maybe they didn't love the wide receiver class in 2017.

01:08:07 It wasn't great.

01:08:09 But the idea is that you drafting a guy to help your team in the long run, drafting Brandon

01:08:15 Cooks helped for one year because you're trying to win a Super Bowl and it got you the Super

01:08:20 Bowl and you end up losing because Brandon Cooks got hurt in that Super Bowl.

01:08:22 Not only because Brandon Cooks got hurt in the Super Bowl, but because of the existence

01:08:25 of Jordan Richards.

01:08:26 Right.

01:08:27 Partly because of that.

01:08:28 And yes, Jordan Richards and Johnson Badmossey was playing corner for you.

01:08:32 Right.

01:08:33 But like, but the idea was that you trade for Brandon Cooks because you're trying to

01:08:36 compete for Super Bowl.

01:08:37 You don't do that this year because you're not competing for anything right now.

01:08:42 You're trying to build this team with young players and build around those players.

01:08:46 Well, I think that's the other thing, too.

01:08:48 If we come down the backstretch here and Mack turns a corner, anything you can win with

01:08:52 them and the offensive line turns a corner and we think we have a line that you can do,

01:08:57 then maybe you're in a different spot.

01:09:00 But you know, there's that's where we're going to see where they're at.

01:09:04 I also I like you bringing up some of the second and third round receivers, too, because

01:09:08 I think there's a lot of depth in this year's receiver draft class and I they need offensive

01:09:14 weapons.

01:09:15 They need wide receivers.

01:09:16 In theory, they should just go with the best wide receiver on the board wherever they pick

01:09:20 and go from there.

01:09:22 That said, they need offensive line help.

01:09:24 It might need a quarterback.

01:09:25 They need a lot.

01:09:27 You can you look at this draft and there's a world where you can say, all right, you

01:09:30 go offensive tackle on the first wide receiver in the second quarterback in the third or

01:09:34 you're going to go wide receiver in the first quarterback in a second wide receiver in the

01:09:37 third or whatever.

01:09:38 I think you want to double dip on the first couple of days with receivers with some of

01:09:42 the guys who could be available and we'll see how they look here.

01:09:45 But there's a lot of talent and a lot a lot of ways to approach this draft where I think

01:09:51 you can get your your offensive talent, not necessarily just in the top five or the top

01:09:57 ten, but now in the top 50 top 100.

01:09:59 I think you can get star receivers in that spot.

01:10:02 Jefferson Jefferson, the guy we're talking about here, Brandon, I both guys who lasted

01:10:05 well into the first round.

01:10:06 I think I was a high second rounder.

01:10:08 I'm remembering correctly.

01:10:09 Yeah, it was.

01:10:10 Yeah.

01:10:11 Yeah.

01:10:12 T. Higgins, second rounder, I think.

01:10:14 So yeah, first pick in the second round.

01:10:15 But yes, still count.

01:10:16 Yeah, there's there's you can you know, I was in Cooper Cup.

01:10:19 You can get receivers at a number of spots in the draft.

01:10:22 So you got to draft it high.

01:10:23 But I think the key is drafting multiple.

01:10:26 You write two of your top 100 picks on receivers.

01:10:30 Correct.

01:10:31 Yeah, that's you know, like in twenty twenty two, the Patriots spent a second round pick

01:10:35 on on a wide receiver and they just drafted the wrong one.

01:10:37 Now, again, we've been over this.

01:10:39 Right.

01:10:40 I don't know if George Pickens was on their list.

01:10:41 He probably wasn't on their list.

01:10:43 But like, don't you think the Patriots wide receiver would look a little bit different

01:10:47 if George Pickens was the number one wide receiver instead of Taekwon Thornton?

01:10:50 You know, I mean, like if they had drafted George Pickens last year instead of Taekwon

01:10:53 Thornton, the wide receiver would look a little different.

01:10:56 Right.

01:10:57 So that's part of it where you sit there and say, like, you know, they could have done

01:11:01 that.

01:11:02 Right.

01:11:03 They could have instead of drafting Cole Strange drafted a guy like Christian Watson and went

01:11:05 thirty fourth overall.

01:11:06 Right.

01:11:07 You could have done those things.

01:11:08 So that's not much for Green Bay at this point.

01:11:09 He has not.

01:11:10 He has not.

01:11:12 And so but still, you know, it's it's one of those things.

01:11:16 And so, look, maybe Booty turns it around and he looks great by the end of the year.

01:11:22 Maybe DeMar Douglas is the guy that you want him to be.

01:11:25 But at the end of the day, the rest of your the rest of your wide receiver court isn't

01:11:29 great.

01:11:30 Right.

01:11:31 You need weapons on offense.

01:11:32 You have good players on defense already retain those guys.

01:11:35 Look, I wanted City to be a tackle.

01:11:37 I think they drafted him to be a tackle.

01:11:39 If you feel comfortable with Mike on when you at right tackle.

01:11:44 And you like City, so a right guard.

01:11:46 I don't think there's anything wrong with saying we're going to resign Mike on one and

01:11:50 we're going to leave him a tackle and we're going to leave City so a guard, even though

01:11:52 we think he has some potential to play tackle because he's been really good at guard.

01:11:57 And if that's the situation, then you leave him there and it is what it is, you know.

01:12:01 So I don't know.

01:12:02 But that's that's what I'm thinking.

01:12:03 The offensive line to I mean, you're in a spot right now.

01:12:06 It can still go a lot of ways.

01:12:08 You might go in the next year needing three or four new starters and you might go in the

01:12:11 next year needing no new starters, depending on what happens over the next two months.

01:12:15 Correct.

01:12:16 Yep.

01:12:17 I think what you want to say, obviously, you got guys hitting free agency.

01:12:19 But I mean, if you can retain them and keep them, you might be able to just bring back

01:12:23 the offensive line if it looks good.

01:12:24 And I think it looks better now than it has.

01:12:26 The question is, can it go from better to genuinely good?

01:12:31 That is the next step.

01:12:32 And that's going to be internal development to these guys.

01:12:35 So in strange, do they get better?

01:12:37 Doesn't want to adjust to being a tackle.

01:12:39 I think those are your big questions.

01:12:40 Right.

01:12:41 Right.

01:12:42 And we'll see.

01:12:43 And I think in an ideal world as a Patriots fan, they probably lose every game from here

01:12:49 on out except for the Jets one, because I'd like to be the Jets.

01:12:52 And you do that losing games like thirty four to thirty and every single one of them.

01:12:57 And the offense puts things together and looks good.

01:12:59 And you're losing because the defense is hurt and you just don't have quite enough.

01:13:03 And then you feel good going into next year and you feel like you're close.

01:13:05 How do you like to see?

01:13:07 It's probably not what's going to happen, but I don't know.

01:13:10 It's not a T.J. in the chat saying given it's upset, upset that we're giving up on this

01:13:15 year and everybody's given up on this year.

01:13:17 Man, I don't want to, but you're down your best receiver, your best pass rusher, your

01:13:24 best corner, your only explosive playmaker and special teams.

01:13:30 I don't think there's a lot of teams that could withstand losing all of those guys and

01:13:35 would still be good teams and certainly not the Patriots.

01:13:38 This was for this Patriots team to win.

01:13:40 It was going to take a lot of cohesion from the guys at the top and all of their playmakers

01:13:47 playing well at the same time.

01:13:48 And those playmakers are hurt right now.

01:13:50 The team didn't have depth.

01:13:51 We knew it didn't have depth.

01:13:52 We thought this was a mediocre team that could play like a good team by playing together

01:13:56 and putting together the pieces.

01:13:58 And right now the pieces are scattered on the floor.

01:14:01 Yep.

01:14:02 Yep.

01:14:03 So, all right, let's let's move into the to the end of the show, by the way.

01:14:07 Congratulations to the Texas Rangers who won the World Series five.

01:14:11 Nothing today.

01:14:12 Arizona had a no hitter going for a while.

01:14:15 I think I think all the way to the seventh inning and then and then they do that.

01:14:20 Diamondbacks had an error in the eighth to which spurred a whole Ranger or might have

01:14:25 been the ninth.

01:14:26 Ninth was an idea because it's called for the ninth.

01:14:29 Yeah.

01:14:30 Yeah.

01:14:31 That spurred a whole run there.

01:14:32 They kind of sealed it.

01:14:33 Yeah.

01:14:34 Texas Rangers.

01:14:35 Texas has won, which is wild, dude.

01:14:38 Texas has won 11 straight.

01:14:42 Postseason road games, which is insane to think about.

01:14:46 Yeah.

01:14:47 That's the stuff.

01:14:48 But yeah, 11 straight postseason road wins and they are the official new World Series

01:14:53 champions.

01:14:54 So congratulations to to the Texas Rangers.

01:14:56 OK, let's get into that.

01:14:57 We're going to know about that for this week.

01:14:59 I'm going to do my college game first or do you want to call it first?

01:15:02 Then we'll do the.

01:15:03 Yeah, we keep this quick.

01:15:04 We're looking now that we're looking at draft season, we're looking ahead for college games.

01:15:07 And I think I think there's an easy one to highlight on your calendars for this Saturday,

01:15:11 730 p.m. Eastern on ABC, number five, Washington at number 20 USC.

01:15:19 It's a high powered Washington offense.

01:15:22 A lot of receivers over there.

01:15:23 Those are the guys you're going to want to watch.

01:15:25 They got three guys that are going to get drafted who are all very good, including Roma

01:15:29 Dundas in the first round and Michael Pennex, the quarterback.

01:15:32 Yep.

01:15:33 And USC's got Caleb Williams, who's a bona fide top five pick top two quarterback in

01:15:37 this draft and a guy with really, really high potential who's played up and down the last

01:15:43 couple of weeks.

01:15:44 So we'll see if he can rebound from some of that.

01:15:47 And you know, it's very possible some guys on offense for one of these two teams, possibly

01:15:52 the quarterbacks are going to be in New England in just a couple of months.

01:15:55 So that's Washington at USC.

01:15:58 It's a good one.

01:16:00 It's a good one.

01:16:01 Michael Pennex.

01:16:02 Hey, they draft.

01:16:03 Maybe the lefty quarterback work for Miami.

01:16:05 Maybe it'll work for New England.

01:16:06 You never know.

01:16:07 I wonder if Connor Stallions is going to be in attendance for that game.

01:16:10 Oh, Connor Stallions.

01:16:12 Have you seen this whole thing, Pat?

01:16:14 Yeah.

01:16:15 Yeah.

01:16:16 It's a Michigan thing.

01:16:17 It's ridiculous.

01:16:18 It's my favorite story.

01:16:20 It's so stupid.

01:16:21 Like, it's so stupid.

01:16:22 And I understand that, like, it's technically it's illegal and it's like what, but like

01:16:26 I could do it and then send it into the Patriots.

01:16:29 Like what, like you're filming.

01:16:31 Like I understand.

01:16:33 And now it seems like the guy was always in disguise on the sideline at like a central

01:16:37 Michigan game wearing like the Ray-Bans with the camera in them or whatever recording.

01:16:42 Right.

01:16:43 Just like, like, that's just funny.

01:16:44 Yeah.

01:16:45 It's so ridiculous.

01:16:46 We'll see.

01:16:47 I'm a Michigan fan too.

01:16:48 So we'll see what happens there.

01:16:49 But yeah, wild stuff.

01:16:50 Anyways.

01:16:51 All right.

01:16:52 So let's, so we'll go to the pop bets.

01:16:53 Pop bets, by the way, for those of you that are late to the party here.

01:16:59 The loser of the pop bets is going to run at some point in the off season.

01:17:04 The Patriots conditioning test, Patriots offensive lineman conditioning test.

01:17:09 Last week, your boy climbed back, baby.

01:17:11 Two and O last week for me.

01:17:13 O and two for you last week.

01:17:16 So I am four and 12 on the season and you are now six and 10.

01:17:19 So it hasn't been a good year so far.

01:17:22 It's been a rough year in the betting world for us.

01:17:26 But nevertheless.

01:17:28 So I'm going to go first and then, and you can go, I think slam dunk.

01:17:31 This is a slam dunk home run and for plus money, by the way, I'm going to go Miami dolphins

01:17:40 first half winner.

01:17:42 Okay.

01:17:43 Plus one 10, which isn't plus much, but it's plus something.

01:17:48 Here's why.

01:17:49 Here's why I'm going Miami dolphins first half winner, because for these international games,

01:17:54 there's a big time change.

01:17:55 I knew you were going time to throws you all off.

01:17:59 Whack.

01:18:00 Right.

01:18:01 Miami went to Germany like on Monday, Kansas city is flying to Germany tomorrow night,

01:18:08 Thursday night.

01:18:09 They're not getting into Friday.

01:18:10 They're going to be all screwed up and they might end up winning the game, but I think

01:18:16 the beginning of the game, Miami is going to be more fresh.

01:18:18 They're going to be ready to go.

01:18:19 They're going to be acclimated to the time change.

01:18:21 And so I think Miami is going to be ready to go and, and Kansas city is not going to

01:18:26 be ready to go.

01:18:27 So I'm going Miami dolphins first half winner Sunday morning.

01:18:32 I like it.

01:18:33 I like it.

01:18:34 Do you want to, do you want to give your other one too?

01:18:36 And then I'll go, I'll give mine.

01:18:37 Yeah, sure.

01:18:38 I can do both.

01:18:39 That's fine.

01:18:40 Yeah.

01:18:41 My second is just an absolute disgusting, just a disgusting game.

01:18:47 I'm going giants Raiders under, under 14.

01:18:53 No, the number is 37 and a half.

01:18:55 So I'm going to go, I'm going to go under 37 and a half.

01:18:58 I thought, I thought you were pulling the same thing I was there.

01:19:00 Cause I'm also pulling the hater card this weekend under 37 and a half, but it's a different

01:19:05 game.

01:19:06 It's Browns Cardinals.

01:19:07 Okay.

01:19:08 All right.

01:19:09 Yeah.

01:19:10 So Browns Cardinals under 37 and a half.

01:19:11 Yep.

01:19:12 I'm also pulling the hater card on will Levis under two Oh four and a half passing yards.

01:19:17 Ooh, I short rest Thursday night game on the road against a good Pittsburgh defense.

01:19:24 And I think he was, he was more up and down than the highlights showed in his first game.

01:19:28 I think it's going to come crashing back down to earth Thursday night.

01:19:30 He's going to have a rough one.

01:19:31 All right.

01:19:32 And what's the number two on a two Oh four and a half to Oh four and a half.

01:19:37 Hey, I'll tell you what that.

01:19:41 I almost went, it's so funny cause I almost went, um, against will Levis just because

01:19:47 of that.

01:19:48 Yeah.

01:19:49 Right.

01:19:50 Just because of that.

01:19:51 Um, but it's so cool.

01:19:52 Gary asked if, if Taylor is going to Germany, Taylor, I doubt is going to Germany.

01:19:56 I can't imagine he is.

01:19:59 Um, but, uh, but my parents will be there.

01:20:03 I was kind of excited.

01:20:04 My parents are over there right now.

01:20:05 So appreciate the kind words here.

01:20:08 Uh, said never gave you a chance guys a chance before laying in St.

01:20:12 Gene, a very good and level headed respect.

01:20:14 I appreciate that after the comment that we were the lowest, we started off by saying

01:20:21 we're the lowest tier of, of patron supporters.

01:20:23 So we've, we've changed his mind, which is, which is nice.

01:20:26 Yeah.

01:20:27 Well, you know, there's a, there's a lot of hysteria in Patriots talk radio and Boston

01:20:31 talk radio.

01:20:32 And we're trying to work where your Patriots therapist Tony, why, you know, everything

01:20:38 isn't necessarily falling apart.

01:20:40 Good.

01:20:41 Things aren't good, but not as bad as people are telling it.

01:20:45 Yeah.

01:20:46 We'll play it level.

01:20:47 We'll play it level.

01:20:48 That's, you know, looking for a quarterback in the draft is not where you want to be.

01:20:51 And that might be where they are, but we're okay.

01:20:54 We're okay.

01:20:55 We'll, we'll, we'll go after the games on Sunday and throw in the super bowl DVD and

01:21:00 be okay.

01:21:01 Right.

01:21:02 Exactly.

01:21:03 Yeah.

01:21:04 Remember the good times.

01:21:05 Um, so anyways, all right.

01:21:06 So, so that's, so that's that.

01:21:07 Um, you got your Patriots trivia, so we're gonna do Patriots trivia and then we'll finish

01:21:10 with this weekend post history like we always do.

01:21:12 Um, but, uh, yeah, we'll, we'll go from there and then we'll be out of here and it will.

01:21:16 Oh yes.

01:21:17 And Gary mentioned, I think it was Gary earlier that mentioned the Celtics won one 55 to one

01:21:22 Oh four, 155 flipping points.

01:21:25 Celtics are on pace right now to go 82 and Oh, it's going to be, it's going to be a fun

01:21:28 year.

01:21:29 Is one 55 more than the number of points the Patriots have scored all here.

01:21:33 Oh my God.

01:21:34 It's not even close.

01:21:35 It's like triple.

01:21:36 Maybe not triple, but it's, it's definitely more points than the beaches scored this year.

01:21:40 A hundred percent.

01:21:41 Oh yeah.

01:21:42 That's a scored 118 points.

01:21:43 Celtics just scored the major.

01:21:44 It's a season.

01:21:45 And, and by the way, Jason Tatum played 26 minutes and at 30 points.

01:21:52 So like, yeah, that was like, it's like a bye game in college basketball.

01:21:56 You're just having a team come into your gym to beat them for some practice.

01:21:59 That was bad.

01:22:00 He's not good, but I mean, still they're not that bad.

01:22:03 It shouldn't be that well.

01:22:04 And the RIP Bob Knight as well.

01:22:06 Bob Knight.

01:22:07 Yes.

01:22:08 Yes.

01:22:09 Bobby, let's do it.

01:22:10 For those who were new here.

01:22:11 So we have somebody new.

01:22:12 We do a trivia question at the end of every episode.

01:22:17 First person to get the answer correct in the chat is going to be entered for a drawing

01:22:20 to win something from the pro shop, which is going to be doing that by week, I think.

01:22:24 Yeah.

01:22:25 So, you know, last chance to get in before the first drawing here last week's question,

01:22:30 which two Patriots had picked sixes in New England's win in Miami in 2019.

01:22:35 Stephon Gilmore and Jamie Collins.

01:22:37 Matt Menino was the first on that one.

01:22:40 Of course.

01:22:41 Yes.

01:22:42 Very good with the trivia.

01:22:43 You guys win.

01:22:44 It's going to be like it's going to be like the NBA lottery.

01:22:46 He's got like 15 of them and then everyone else has like one or two and then he's going

01:22:51 to lose.

01:22:52 We'll have to freeze one of the envelopes.

01:22:56 We're going we're going with an opponent specific one here.

01:22:59 We're going to have some fun with this one.

01:23:00 Pat, we're going to take a trip down memory lane for this trivia question.

01:23:04 In 2011, Patriots offensive coordinator Bill O'Brien made headlines for his screaming match

01:23:11 with Tom Brady on the sideline after the quarterback threw an interception in the end zone late

01:23:16 in the fourth quarter in Washington.

01:23:18 Sure, that's a moment that we all remember.

01:23:21 However, do you remember which Patriot player would then go on to seal the win by picking

01:23:27 off Washington in the red zone immediately after that?

01:23:33 OK, all right.

01:23:34 Yeah, that's a good one.

01:23:36 Patriots looking for someone to get an interception on that team throughout your throughout your

01:23:41 guesses.

01:23:42 That was that was an iconic moment.

01:23:44 I see the type one Underwood in the chat there, TJ.

01:23:47 That's the answer to a different question, which is who is Tom Brady targeting in the

01:23:51 end zone on that pick?

01:23:52 Yes, who who what Patriots defensive player intercepted who I don't even know who the

01:23:59 quarterback was for Washington at that point.

01:24:01 Who knows?

01:24:02 One of the crappy and one of the terrible quarterback.

01:24:05 No way.

01:24:06 I bet there's more still around that.

01:24:07 No way.

01:24:08 Hold on.

01:24:09 I have the way in one of my tabs.

01:24:11 I'm sure Rex, you tell me, Rex, goes and lasted five years after the 06 Super Bowl.

01:24:16 There's no chance Rex Grossman lasted five more years.

01:24:20 Let me let me find this out for you real quick.

01:24:22 I got it.

01:24:23 I got it.

01:24:24 I thought I had the box open still.

01:24:25 I didn't.

01:24:26 So I got to find it.

01:24:27 Oh, wait, wait, wait.

01:24:28 Washington.

01:24:29 What an idiot.

01:24:30 Yes, yes, yes, you're right.

01:24:33 It was it was it was very interesting.

01:24:36 I was thinking Rex Grossman still in the Bay Area.

01:24:38 I'm like, there's no way he lasted five more years in the Bay Area, which he did.

01:24:41 No, no, no, no, no, no.

01:24:42 It was Washington.

01:24:43 Yeah, that's why it's specific.

01:24:44 We got we got Bill O'Brien in here.

01:24:45 We got I got Washington in here for this week.

01:24:49 And the only hint I'll drop here is that it isn't typically the player plays a position

01:24:55 where you wouldn't usually see interception.

01:24:58 It's not a totally wild.

01:25:01 It's not something crazy.

01:25:02 It's a real fork.

01:25:03 Yeah, but it's not like these aren't guys who are typically getting the picks.

01:25:08 All right.

01:25:09 All right.

01:25:10 I like it.

01:25:11 I like it.

01:25:12 It's a deflected pick.

01:25:13 I had to go back and watch it before this.

01:25:14 And it was a wild, a wild sequence.

01:25:17 So Washington scored what should have been the game game tying touchdown.

01:25:20 And there was an offensive pass interference from Santana Moss on it.

01:25:24 And the end zone on Julian Edelman, which Washington back was a little bit ticky tacky.

01:25:30 That's got away with one there.

01:25:32 We'll take it.

01:25:33 Don't you know, don't you love the don't you miss the days when we used to get like actual

01:25:36 calls and like the 50 50 calls ago our way instead of the other way?

01:25:40 It was nice.

01:25:41 And before we do the trivia, I'm just going to plug this real quick.

01:25:44 Oh, yes.

01:25:45 Do it.

01:25:46 I'm going to plug this right here.

01:25:47 This Papa Bear Spice Company, it's my dad's spice company.

01:25:49 He just launched his own blend of spices today.

01:25:53 So there's a 10 percent off sale on his website.

01:25:55 Papa Bear Spice dot com.

01:25:57 I got a jar is an older jar.

01:25:58 Now they have a new he has a new label.

01:26:00 There's a jar of his spices.

01:26:01 It's like a chili rub.

01:26:03 It's really, really good.

01:26:05 He started using it for his chili and we just put it on all of the meat all the time.

01:26:08 And it's fantastic.

01:26:09 So I highly recommend you go check that out.

01:26:12 And somebody in here asked if we shipped to New Zealand the other day.

01:26:15 I think last week when this got mentioned and my dad did at international shipping,

01:26:20 I do not know how expensive it is, but it is.

01:26:24 It is an option.

01:26:25 It is available.

01:26:26 Yes.

01:26:27 And for those new for the trivia question, the answer will be in next week's.

01:26:30 Yes.

01:26:31 Yes.

01:26:32 We will get the answer.

01:26:33 And who got it right and what the answer was.

01:26:35 Yes, exactly.

01:26:36 So so.

01:26:37 All right.

01:26:38 Awesome.

01:26:39 That's a good one.

01:26:40 All right.

01:26:41 So last last segment of the of the episode.

01:26:46 Here we go.

01:26:47 And now for something we think you'll really like this week in sports history.

01:26:58 All right.

01:26:59 So I have to I'm going to go go first.

01:27:01 I'm going to say this day, November 1st, 1913.

01:27:11 Rotterdam upsets Army thirty five to 13 in their inaugural football game.

01:27:20 Newt Rockne was the one of the wide receivers and not only OK, not only did they win, but

01:27:28 they actually use the forward pass effectively.

01:27:32 Gus Dorius was 14 of 17 for two hundred and forty three yards passing and two touchdowns.

01:27:37 How about that?

01:27:38 So the forward pass being used in 1913 by Notre Dame in their first ever football game

01:27:45 upsetting Army thirty five, 13.

01:27:47 That reminds me there is one.

01:27:48 There's an NFL films documentary out there somewhere.

01:27:51 And I don't remember exactly what it's called.

01:27:53 It's something like the history of like the football or the history of the forward pass

01:27:58 or something like that.

01:27:59 But it details the way the actual shape of the football has changed over time in the

01:28:04 way they make it so you can have it easily passing game.

01:28:07 But through some of the old moments that changed things, which that reminded me of and it's

01:28:14 very worth a while.

01:28:15 I mean, anything NFL films does is worth a watch.

01:28:17 But that in particular was one that stuck with me.

01:28:19 It's a really good history of the game.

01:28:22 It's interesting.

01:28:23 All right.

01:28:24 Yeah, mine.

01:28:25 Do you get on this day, November 1st, 1924, Boston Bruins officially joined the NHL, becoming

01:28:33 the first U.S. based team to enter the league.

01:28:35 I love it.

01:28:36 I love it.

01:28:37 The Montreal Maroons also joined, but they only lasted 14 years.

01:28:41 Yeah.

01:28:42 Yeah.

01:28:43 I'm so happy you said that one because I really had three and that was one of them.

01:28:46 So I'm going to give you the other one.

01:28:47 And it comes a little trivia question.

01:28:49 Oh, November 1st, 1916.

01:28:53 Broadway theater owner and producer Harry Frazee and Huard Ward, I'm sorry, by the Boston

01:29:01 Red Sox for approximately seven hundred thousand dollars.

01:29:04 Harry Frazee, of course, famously sold Babe Ruth to the New York Yankees.

01:29:11 The question I have for you, the trivia question I have for you is what Broadway show?

01:29:16 Because what he did was sold Babe Ruth so that he could make a Broadway show.

01:29:21 What Broadway show was it that he sold Babe Ruth to fund?

01:29:25 Do you know?

01:29:26 I know what it wasn't.

01:29:28 I know it's not.

01:29:31 No, no, and then I know the play that he funded.

01:29:33 Inspired.

01:29:34 No, no.

01:29:35 And then that I do not remember the name of the actual play.

01:29:37 No, it was.

01:29:38 It was no, no, no.

01:29:39 It was.

01:29:40 No, it wasn't.

01:29:41 OK, there was somebody I saw a whole post about this the other day where somebody dug

01:29:46 into it and discovered this whole long history about the play that it was that was like,

01:29:52 maybe I do have it wrong, but whatever it was, the play that inspired no, no, no, not

01:29:57 in the history it has, because there were no no living like there's no descriptions

01:30:02 of the play except for like short summaries and there's no video recording of it.

01:30:06 So I saw some guy online who was looking to find like a script of the one that.

01:30:14 The play that inspired it and led to its creation, I'm pretty sure it wasn't no, no, no, no.

01:30:18 Oh, wait a second.

01:30:20 You're right.

01:30:21 You're right.

01:30:22 It was my lady friends.

01:30:25 That's what it is.

01:30:26 Yeah, well, that there you go.

01:30:27 Which was like the same guy is no, no, no, no.

01:30:30 I don't know the exact story there, but yeah, which is interesting.

01:30:35 Yeah, so there you go, my lady friends and not known or not, which is yeah, my goodness.

01:30:43 I mean, what an absolute disaster.

01:30:45 It's even worse because no one's even heard of my lady friends.

01:30:47 At least on our net is like famous.

01:30:49 What a nightmare.

01:30:51 What a disaster.

01:30:52 I can imagine Boston talk radio back in the day when that happened.

01:30:58 I just think, yeah, it's just yeah, brutal, just absolutely brutal.

01:31:03 Well, some of the talking heads today say about that, then, oh, I can't even imagine.

01:31:10 I can't even I don't want to think about it.

01:31:12 I don't even want to think about it.

01:31:14 You know, imagine imagine just selling your best player for money, just giving your best

01:31:21 player away for money.

01:31:22 Is this the only thing that money for yourself and to build?

01:31:25 It's crazy.

01:31:27 It's absolutely insane.

01:31:28 But that's the way it was back then.

01:31:30 I mean, it's just, you know, so.

01:31:31 But what are you going to do?

01:31:32 So anyways, that's what we got for you today.

01:31:33 Pretty good show.

01:31:34 I like that.

01:31:35 Gary had a question in the chat, too.

01:31:42 If you win the draw and you come from a country that's abroad, how would you claim the prize?

01:31:46 I think we still we got to talk about this, Pat, specifically, but the prize might end

01:31:51 up just being like a gift card to the pro shop or we'll get you something from the pro

01:31:55 shop and have it shipped to you or so.

01:31:57 Well, that's kind of the idea is that I was going to do a 20, like a probably twenty five

01:32:01 dollar gift card or something like that to the pro shop or something around there.

01:32:05 What I'll do for you, Gary, is if you do win or if someone overseas wins and it's difficult

01:32:11 to order, I don't know how it is ordering from the NFL shop online.

01:32:14 I have no idea.

01:32:16 But if it's difficult ordering from the NFL shop online, I will just buy you something

01:32:20 that you want of that value and just mail it to you myself.

01:32:24 I don't care.

01:32:25 I'm sure we get some fanatics has some international site that we.

01:32:28 Well, that's what I mean.

01:32:29 Like, I'm sure they have an international.

01:32:31 I just don't know how it works.

01:32:32 So I think so.

01:32:33 The way it works is that the pro shop online, when you buy something from the pro shop online,

01:32:37 you're not buying from the pro shop, you're buying from fanatics.

01:32:39 They don't the pro shop doesn't have an online thing.

01:32:41 So you're buying directly from fanatics, but you can use your Patriots.

01:32:46 I'm pretty sure you can use your pro shop.

01:32:49 I don't know.

01:32:50 I'm not sure.

01:32:51 We'll figure it out.

01:32:52 We'll figure it out.

01:32:53 I think I think the easiest thing to do.

01:32:54 It might just be to buy something from the pro shop and kind of go and say, hey, whatever,

01:33:00 we'll figure it out.

01:33:01 But we're going to get we're going to get you guys something from there.

01:33:03 So it's approximately twenty five dollars in value that is Patriots related.

01:33:07 That would be.

01:33:08 Yeah, exactly.

01:33:09 Exactly.

01:33:10 And Gary, you know, love watching the podcast.

01:33:12 So appreciate you.

01:33:13 Thank you for coming out.

01:33:14 We appreciate you guys coming through.

01:33:16 We'll be here twice a week the rest of the way.

01:33:19 And at some point here during the season, we're probably going to be starting to starting

01:33:24 to flip the clock and look at just straight up draft stuff.

01:33:27 So that's the thing is, I usually don't get into my draft stuff until like January.

01:33:31 And it's going to start a lot earlier this year, man, because a lot earlier this year,

01:33:34 especially if they keep playing this way.

01:33:35 You never know.

01:33:36 Maybe they'll turn it on.

01:33:37 Maybe they'll win on Sunday and they win the next week.

01:33:40 And, you know, in Germany and all of a sudden they'll be four and six and maybe maybe Juju

01:33:45 finally finds it now that he's in a different role.

01:33:48 That is you know, that is one thing I'm interested to see here is that they were using him as

01:33:51 the slot guy before.

01:33:53 And I wonder if Demario Douglas being a slot guy and Juju playing the role that Bourne

01:33:58 did maybe unlock something different.

01:34:00 We know he doesn't have the quickness anymore and maybe being a bigger body in a slightly

01:34:04 different spot lets him do some stuff.

01:34:06 I don't know.

01:34:07 He kind of has to be on the roster next year unless you're eating money.

01:34:10 So you can find a way to get something out of him as even a depth guy that helps you

01:34:15 for building the team.

01:34:16 Right.

01:34:17 Can't be worse than it's been.

01:34:18 So, you know, don't say that.

01:34:20 It can't be with him.

01:34:22 There's no way.

01:34:23 It can't be worse than it's been.

01:34:24 I mean, unless he pulls a John who Smith and drops, drops a pass directly into into the

01:34:28 defenders arms for a pick six.

01:34:30 You know what I mean?

01:34:31 What's worse than this?

01:34:32 It would be him playing well enough to convince us all he's actually good and he found his

01:34:35 role in the offense.

01:34:36 And then next year we think we have something and he goes back to what he was.

01:34:40 That's the worst case.

01:34:41 That's true.

01:34:42 But I mean, this year it can't be worse than it's been.

01:34:44 You're right.

01:34:45 Long term, you are right about that.

01:34:46 So.

01:34:47 All right.

01:34:48 Well, that's it, guys.

01:34:49 Thanks for coming out.

01:34:50 We appreciate you.

01:34:51 We'll see you on Sunday after the game.

01:34:53 I will be later.

01:34:55 I'm taking my daughter to her first regular season game.

01:34:57 She's very excited about it.

01:34:59 My brother in law is a Commander's fan.

01:35:01 So him and my sister are going.

01:35:03 Sister's Diane Peters fan, obviously.

01:35:05 And so so it'll be fun.

01:35:07 It'll be fun.

01:35:08 The four of us are going together and I'm really excited about it.

01:35:10 So so we're pumped.

01:35:11 We're pumped.

01:35:12 It'll be fun.

01:35:13 And we'll do a show probably set time with this and half time Sunday night football is

01:35:19 typically what we do after home game.

01:35:21 So we'll see you guys Sunday night.

01:35:24 All right.

01:35:25 And thanks for coming out and we'll talk to you soon.

01:35:27 Have a good rest of your weeks.

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