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00:00 Assalamu Alaikum, you are watching the program with Kashif Abbasi.
00:14 Another press conference took place in Lahore.
00:17 Farrukh Habib, who was a former MNA of Tariq-e-Insaf and was also a minister, he joined the Istiqam
00:26 Pakistan Party.
00:27 Now, whatever he said in this press conference, he has two angles to look at.
00:33 One, the content or the things that he said, whether it is about 9th May, about CYFIR,
00:40 Al-Qaeda Trust, Tosha Khana, Usman Buzdar, Farah Gogi, Bushra Bibi, the petrol bombs
00:47 that went on, he strongly criticized this, Farrukh Habib.
00:53 One, we will talk about that whoever is leaving Tariq-e-Insaf, or does a press conference,
00:59 or gives TV interviews, he is talking about all these issues, how Zain was made, how
01:06 it was played with CYFIR, how the chairman of Tariq-e-Insaf did wrong.
01:12 This is one angle to look at, on which we will talk in detail.
01:16 And the second angle is where were they?
01:18 20 days ago, they were in Balochistan, Gwadar, and they were arrested from there.
01:26 This news was also published by Don, this news is also read by Express and other newspapers
01:30 in front of me, in which this Jaan Achak Zai, the translator of Balochistan government,
01:35 was quoted and said that they were arrested.
01:38 Before we go further, this press conference was published by all TV channels.
01:44 The Pakistan Electronic Media Regulatory Authority has said in a letter on 12 August
01:51 2023 that Farrukh Habib will not be shown on TV because he is a proclaimed offender,
01:58 he is an absconder, he is a fraud, he is a fraud, so he will not be shown on TV.
02:03 But the press conference went on, and such press conferences continue.
02:06 A similar order was issued regarding Mian Nawaz Shifr, you may remember, during the
02:10 period of Tehreek-e-Insaf, now that order has changed, and we keep changing the character
02:15 here, if we just changed the name of the order, a lot of work would have been done.
02:20 So, there are many questions that are raised in today's press conference.
02:28 And at that time, when Farrukh Habib Sahib, these are 24 tweets that Farrukh Habib Sahib
02:34 has made after 9 May, in all these tweets, he is defending Tehreek-e-Insaf, Chairman
02:40 Tehreek-e-Insaf on all issues.
02:43 He has a press conference on every issue.
02:46 He is calling these allegations false on every issue.
02:49 There are many clear tweets and statements about the people who disappeared,
02:55 they came to TV channels and gave different statements.
03:00 So, on one hand, they say that I went, I thought, on the other hand, every person who
03:06 is arrested, comes back and says that I was missing, I did not contact my family,
03:12 I needed time to think, and then they think and come, and a press conference is held.
03:18 But on the other hand, I will say again that the facts, I have spoken to many people who
03:23 are still present in Tehreek-e-Insaf, who have not left, who are still underground.
03:29 If you talk to them, many people think or say that the strategy and policy to hit the
03:36 army or the establishment or the policy to criticize them, which has not been hidden
03:42 from anyone, there was a big debate that we should not follow this line.
03:48 Now, of course, when they leave the party, they talk very openly that this happened
03:54 at that time, it was said in the meeting, this decision was made, but then after that
03:59 decision, that decision remained for a few days or a few hours, and then a speech or
04:04 a press conference was held, and then the same line was taken, which was decided not to
04:09 take or stay away from.
04:12 All these people kept defending multiple times, if I mention anyone, whether it is Farooq
04:19 Habib, Sadaqat Abbasi, Usman Dar, they kept coming in their tweets or TV programs, so
04:25 until they were not arrested, they kept defending it.
04:29 But now, if it is said that Farooq Habib was leading the TV programs or strategy in the
04:36 last year and a half, or in the morning, after 9th May, how was Tehreek-e-Insaf ruled
04:42 by a fake conspiracy, today he is also against Cipher, because his audio is present in which
04:47 it is said, let's play with it, that is, we have to do politics with it, and it is said
04:52 that bullets were used instead of ballots, but he himself has been defending all these
04:57 things for a long time.
04:59 So, this sudden change of heart, we will also talk about it, that after all, is this the
05:04 way that people of justice, who are on TV, because there is a dilemma of our political
05:09 parties, the strategy that the leader makes, everyone has to follow it, whether you agree
05:13 with it or not, so was there a disagreement on this kind of strategy in the party in this
05:19 case as well?
05:20 Secondly, the way Farooq Habib did the press conference, in many press conferences or TV
05:25 interviews, we were seeing that there is body language, it is low, and criticism can be
05:31 made on it or questions can be raised on it, but in this particular case, seeing Farooq
05:37 Habib, it did not seem that he was saying it for the sake of saying things, he was talking
05:44 with a lot of conviction, by giving a lot of force, he was convincing people that what
05:49 are you doing, why are you hiding, come out, do all this work.
05:53 So, we will talk about all this, of course, but see some facts as well, after 9 months,
06:00 Farooq Habib became underground.
06:02 On 20 September, this news came, as we have already told you, different newspapers carried
06:08 this news, on 27 September, I apologize, 20 days ago, on 27 September, this news came
06:13 that he was arrested, and Don also ran this news, and he was arrested by Gwadar, so there
06:18 are some questions, what did Gwadar go to do?
06:21 He called a few people of his party and said, he told that he might want to go out of Pakistan
06:29 through a launch, and was it really right?
06:34 Did he change his appearance, by going to Balochistan, maybe he dyed his hair?
06:40 Were the news of his arrest correct?
06:46 If it was correct, then which police arrested him?
06:50 Which police station was he in?
06:52 Which court was his case in?
06:54 Obviously, if you are arrested, then police arrest you, the case goes to court, or police
07:01 gets remand.
07:03 Now, when all these incidents are going on, since 20 days, his wife wrote two letters,
07:10 a few days ago, she wrote a letter to Chief Justice of Pakistan, and demanded for his
07:15 resignation, his wife wrote a letter to Amnesty International, requesting their intervention
07:23 and support in ensuring the recovery of Farrukh Habib, who remains missing.
07:28 She said that she was not in contact with her family, and she talked to her family every
07:35 day, and they talk to her every few days, there is good news, and they give good news, but
07:42 here, there is an interesting thing, that the two interviews, and now, Farrukh Habib,
07:48 who is missing from his family, Pakistan has left him, the party has left him, he is missing
07:54 from his family, so why was he not presented?
07:57 His disappearance was saved by the Lahore High Court today, and this request was given
08:02 by his brother in Lahore High Court.
08:04 So, these events that took place in the last 20 days, his family is writing letters for
08:10 his re-investigation, and are also going around the courts, so where were they?
08:15 In which court did they go?
08:18 In which police station were they?
08:20 But, on the other hand, as I am saying, there is also a content of this press conference,
08:24 they have mentioned 9th May in this content with a lot of conviction, how the mentality
08:28 was created, and if you see the selection of words, the press conferences that have
08:33 recently been held, or TV interviews, or the people who have come to do press conferences,
08:38 they use the word 'Zehensazi' again and again, a line was taken, after which it was
08:42 inevitable, this was the only way, maybe there was no other way to go beyond this.
08:47 So, these are not two big contrasting, but are competing arguments, that what happened
08:54 that after the arrest, everyone had to give TV interviews, they are doing press conferences
08:59 and Chaudhary was sitting with them, and Farooq Habib was doing a very good press conference.
09:04 Let's talk to the guests, our Memer Sahiba is present with us, Arfa Noor Sahiba is present
09:08 with us, thank you very much, Waleed Iqbal Sahab is present with us according to the
09:11 press conference, Waleed Sahab, thank you very much, and Murad Raj Sahab, Istiqam Pakistan
09:15 Party, Murad Sahab, I come with the question that the news of Istiqam Pakistan Party comes
09:19 only when someone joins, do something on politics, so that people know that the Istiqam Pakistan
09:24 Party is also coming, and I have heard that in the coming days, there is going to be another
09:28 press conference, whose press conference is this, whose so much of a fuss that it will
09:33 happen, if you allow me, I will take the view of justice first.
09:36 Waleed Iqbal Sahab, these allegations are being made again and again, as I said, there
09:42 are two things, one is the allegations that the politicians put in your party's press
09:47 conference or TV interviews, and the second is that they are methodological, after which
09:52 these interviews are done.
09:54 So, first of all, talk to me about the content of this, is all this really being made up,
10:00 is it being made up, was it done wrong on the cipher, Mr. Khan should have become a national
10:06 leader, why did you do this, Buzdar, Farah Gogi, this is a matter of complete justice, that
10:12 we kept defending Usman Buzdar and Farah Gogi for so long.
10:16 Yes, Waleed Iqbal Sahab.
10:19 Yes, what you were talking about in the beginning, that some Pemra did something, when we were
10:27 in the government and now they have released such a thing that they are proclaimed offenders,
10:33 so that famous poem of Allama Iqbal, I remembered the couplet from it, from your conversation
10:40 that the styles of the time have changed, it is a new tune, the instruments have changed.
10:46 Oh, did this song of passion sing?
10:48 Yes, this song of passion has sung.
10:51 Yes, but that is Allama Iqbal's poetry.
10:55 So, the styles have changed, not the tunes.
11:00 The new tunes have come, the instruments have changed, anyway, we are comparing the two
11:07 periods, the previous period and the current period, if this is what you were doing, but
11:13 as far as the allegations are concerned, the one who is going to put the allegations, can
11:19 be the best person to call and take the explanations of his allegations.
11:25 I cannot say anything on behalf of Farrukh Habib, one thing is for sure that his statement
11:31 is a good thing, I think that no one should be unaware of it, because he used to come
11:38 in the category of unknowing, one announcement was made that he has been arrested, but you
11:43 only told that there is no further explanation for it.
11:46 Let's leave the party, let's dismantle it for a few days, let's get rid of all the
11:51 people who have to do press conferences after this.
11:54 No, I am saying that there is a pattern, so I feel that, as you said, this is not the
12:00 first time that this is happening in the last few months, nor does it seem like the last
12:05 time, because you have said that there is a continuation of another press conference.
12:10 But I think it is appropriate to give my view on the word 'Zehim Sazi' (mind-building)
12:17 and I want to go back a few years, we have a colleague, he has been our MNA from Karachi,
12:21 his name is Najeeb Haroon, Engineer Najeeb Haroon, he had resigned at some stage, so he
12:26 had a very picturesque interview on a one-to-one channel, so I remember one sentence of his,
12:32 that our chairman of the party, he talks a lot, and then the listeners, I will give you
12:39 his words, you can take it out of an archive or a channel, at that time our party was in
12:45 the government, so he said that the chairman says a lot of things, and then everyone has
12:51 to decode it in their own way, so now the administration…
12:57 Sir, this is a decoding problem, you are saying that this is a decoding problem.
13:02 You asked for a comment from me, so I am commenting on my own, I cannot answer on the behalf of
13:07 anyone, that he has said anything, but whoever has come and said something, that I was put
13:12 on this line, I think they have decoded it in the same way, because the Minister of
13:17 the Interior has said that every party can take part in the election, the upcoming election,
13:22 which has not yet been announced, and he has said that those who have no case, or who are
13:28 not eligible, or in any way, if they have not violated the law, or have not violated the
13:34 law, they have no right to vote, and they have not done anything against the law, they have
13:40 not violated any law, so they have the permission to vote, and for every party, especially for
13:45 our party.
13:46 But the number of people will decrease, the speed at which the work will start again, doesn't
13:50 it seem that…
13:51 Anyway, this is a little early, because there is a date for the election, there is a time
13:56 table for the election, and some non-partisan papers should be included in it, at that time
14:01 the party will be able to vote.
14:04 I think that Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf has so much experience, although it is a 26-27
14:10 year old party, but its most special experience is of elections, and that is from the last
14:15 10 years.
14:16 So now, with so much experience, and so much organization, and election campaign, and election
14:21 day, and then the identity of the party, and its popularity, on the basis of that, I think
14:26 that the party will not have any difficulty in awarding the ticket.
14:31 It won't be difficult.
14:32 Let's go, we'll see, we'll talk about it later.
14:34 Farrukh Habib Sahib won't be among them, Farrukh Habib Sahib will look for his ticket
14:37 somewhere else.
14:38 Don't bank on that either.
14:39 It depends on the circumstances, let's see, who will sit on the camel, but Murad Raj
14:45 Sahib, I'll come to you for an answer.
14:47 I'm saying it's too early, but I've made my guess for now.
14:51 Murad Raj Sahib, let me tell you about Farrukh Habib Sahib, if you allow me.
14:57 He said today that he wasn't there.
15:00 He was sick, he was at home.
15:02 So, let's see how much he was at home.
15:05 If you call a car your home, that's a different matter.
15:07 Let's hear what he was doing on 29th May.
15:10 Pakistani people, wherever you are in the whole of Pakistan, you should go there,
15:15 you should gather at D-type bridge in Allahabad, at Zilla Council Chowk, gather there and
15:21 record your protest.
15:22 So, everyone should go out right now, I'm reaching there, you should also reach there.
15:27 What special instructions did a few people have that we didn't know about?
15:31 I mean, it was unexpected for me, I was in Lahore, I was sick at that time, when I was
15:35 arrested, my wife told me that Khan Sahib was arrested, I was sleeping after taking
15:39 medicine.
15:40 And I said, I didn't go anywhere after this.
15:43 He said this in this sentence.
15:45 So, do you think that the FIRs will be over?
15:48 Murad Sahib?
15:49 Look, the FIRs that have been filed, I think mine is also not over yet.
15:55 So, that's why…
15:56 It will be over, sir, don't worry.
15:57 Now, you have my guarantee.
15:58 No, no, but no.
15:59 Kashif bhai, look, the matter of fact is the matter of fact.
16:03 I'm still on the no-fly list.
16:06 I'm still investigating the FIRs.
16:10 I have the documents, we are going through the proper procedure.
16:16 The main thing is that if Farah Habib…
16:20 Look, if you don't reach the situation many times, then you should at least tell your
16:26 people who are taking you, that yes, there is a protest going on here, so you have to
16:31 come, even if you don't come yourself.
16:33 So, I'm just giving them the benefit of the doubt that even if you don't want to
16:37 come yourself, at least tell your coordinators, yes, there is a protest going on in Liberty,
16:41 come here, or there is a protest going on in Mazang, so you should reach there.
16:45 So, the places that they said, the way they said, that's a call…
16:48 Sir, I'm saying that they said, I didn't leave the house, when they were sitting in
16:51 the car and said, I'm going too, you should come too.
16:53 So, it was there, I think, that it was said that sir, if you have cleared it, say that
16:57 I was not there.
16:58 Not realizing that bhai has made the video himself.
17:01 So, this is the way, this is the political way, they even turn on the car's sound
17:06 from behind, standing up, that yes, I'm coming, and to get people there, you have to…
17:12 these are the political ways of doing things, so that I'm coming, I'm coming…
17:16 So, you are saying that Farooq Habib didn't want to go himself, he came in the car,
17:20 made a video of the car, and told everyone, you come, I'm going home to sleep.
17:24 I mean, this is not possible, right?
17:26 Okay, I don't know if they have a video or not.
17:29 Have you heard the audio or the video?
17:33 It's a video.
17:34 Okay, I don't know from here, so that's why I'm doing the interview from home,
17:39 so I can't see.
17:41 Nowadays, even we don't know, bhai, it's not a problem.
17:43 No, if it's a video, then obviously, it's very clear, that if it's a video, then
17:47 he was there himself, so that's why, you can't say anything about that.
17:50 When did you find out that I.P.B. was coming with Farooq Habib?
17:53 Kashi, let me tell you one thing, one thing.
17:59 If you see my interview after 9th May, then one thing is very clear,
18:05 there were two factions in the party.
18:08 Those two factions, one was the one who used to toe that line,
18:14 that burn, surround, kill, burn everything.
18:18 One faction used to say, no, do it peacefully, there's no need to go to such extremes,
18:25 and there's no need to do anything.
18:28 So, talk to the negotiations peacefully.
18:32 But, let me tell you, because obviously, Khan sir liked those people who were more active.
18:42 They used to take hard lines.
18:45 Hard lines, yes, yes.
18:47 So, they were always the favorites.
18:50 I was in a party, a senior leader, Darikanth sir, he said, when I used to go,
18:57 a woman leader used to say, here comes the coward, because he used to take a softer line,
19:03 in party meetings, she's Pashtun.
19:06 So, I know, I've heard a lot of these stories, how the lines were.
19:12 But, let me tell you one thing.
19:14 Farrukh Habib sir joined, how many hours ago did you know that he was coming?
19:23 How many days ago did you know that he was coming?
19:26 A few days back.
19:28 A few days back, his wife is writing a letter to Transparency International,
19:34 that I've made my husband go to war, how did you know that three days ago?
19:38 No, I'm saying, through word of mouth, I knew that Farrukh Habib was coming.
19:42 Word of whose mouth did you believe?
19:46 From party members, from people I know, PTI people, and some people from Istiqam-e-Pakistan.
19:52 Sir, we're in Islamabad, but we keep an eye on one thing, why is everyone going in the air?
19:57 No, I have other names who are coming, I'm telling you, whether they come now or after a week.
20:04 Sir, tell us, is he free or is he self-imposed?
20:09 No, no, they're not arrested.
20:12 Are his family members looking for him?
20:14 No, no, no, no one is looking for him, and let me tell you one more thing,
20:20 at the end, let me tell you that from 9th May, 3, 4, 5 months ago,
20:28 the people who used to say that take a soft stance, they were completely shunned.
20:34 They were not even allowed to go inside. We used to sit outside, we were not allowed to go inside.
20:40 I'll go myself, was Farrukh Habib Sahib present there?
20:44 No, no, I'm telling you, the majority who gave this statement,
20:49 Okay, he was in the minority, then it's fine.
20:51 Today he's in the minority.
20:53 So, all the information is correct.
20:56 The way he was talking also.
20:59 Were you surprised how he was addressing everyone, his other party workers?
21:04 Very interesting, because I saw Mr. Dar's interview,
21:07 somewhere he seemed to be stealing glances, or trying to convince them.
21:13 Mr. Sadaqat Abbasi also, more or less, but the tone of Farrukh Habib Sahib,
21:18 the choice of words, or the student you were talking about.
21:22 I was deciding whether to follow Adam or follow Satan.
21:26 I think he was transported to ISAF days, to the university, where he got carried away.
21:32 In fact, I messaged some PTI people and asked, "Do you think he's getting carried away?"
21:37 They didn't comment on this, they thought that because the problems have increased.
21:43 Look, there are two contexts, the hard line and the soft line.
21:46 The stunning comparison I'll make now, the spectacular similarity,
21:51 that is 2002's PMLN, and now in PTI.
21:55 But there was a difference at that time.
21:57 In 2002, when the hijacking case was made, Mr. Nawaz Sharif went out, the party was broken.
22:02 Some people say that they never left the party, but they were very underground.
22:05 It was a tough situation, let's be very honest, politics were not easy.
22:08 Then the Kaaf League was formed, I didn't know when Mr. Musharraf would go,
22:12 and whether he would go or not.
22:13 So it was a big finality type, that now PMLN hasn't come for 8-10 years,
22:19 it was a written promise.
22:20 Now the problem is that PTI is going through the same process.
22:24 But the main difference is that the atmosphere of Punjab at that time was predominantly pro-Mr. Musharraf's actions.
22:34 Now the problem is that Mr. Nawaz Sharif, in 2018,
22:38 by calling out, he has launched a wave in Punjab, to challenge the status quo.
22:44 He has also been hijacked by the Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf.
22:46 So they say that we have to take the hard line, because at the constituency level,
22:51 the seed was sown, and Mr. Nawaz Sharif sown it, and on the basis of that,
22:54 he took the vote in the Punjab election in 2018.
22:57 So the wave was the same.
22:58 You have to echo the sentiment of the constituency.
23:01 And you can also say that in 2002, Punjab did not have an anti-establishment vote.
23:09 And in 2018, Punjab put an anti-establishment vote.
23:12 Credit to Mr. Nawaz Sharif, by the way.
23:14 If you carry forward that wave, and when PMLN left that hard line, where are we standing today?
23:19 The GC could not go there, Maryam Bibi.
23:21 So the question is that when your voters' thinking has changed,
23:25 then the people who are going to fight there, they will take the same line, right?
23:29 Whether you run the voters or you run behind the voters, both are very important.
23:34 This is the debate.
23:35 Both are very important, but...
23:37 To run to the limit.
23:41 Okay, I'll come to you, you answer this.
23:43 Tariq's car, what he's saying.
23:45 Both things are important.
23:47 Both are important because everybody is coming out saying the same thing.
23:50 But everybody is coming out from the same situation and saying this.
23:53 Welcome back, viewers.
24:00 You must remember the era of PTV, it was an old era.
24:04 We have become addicted to the illiteracy of the media.
24:08 Welcome back.
24:10 Coming back to what we were discussing.
24:12 We have two guests with us from Lahore, Murad Raj and Waleed Iqbal.
24:16 I'll come to them, but first you tell me.
24:18 Why the Istiqam Pakistan Party?
24:21 I mean, they can go to a better party or...
24:24 They think that because politics is against the Noon,
24:28 they can't go there, so Istiqam Pakistan is better as a stopgap arrangement.
24:33 Sir, you're talking as if there are only choices in Punjab.
24:36 I mean, if you want to leave Pakistan Tehrik-e-Insaaf, then PMI...
24:40 Why did they leave? Why not?
24:42 He came on TV, I'm leaving.
24:44 May 9th, they realised.
24:46 If I say more, you'll say that the link down of your satellite has been done.
24:50 You decide whether you want me to call you or not.
24:53 I'll answer, but no, you're better off.
24:56 I mean, I wanted to say that...
24:59 Okay, fine.
25:01 I mean, I was saying that...
25:03 It's actually a link down.
25:05 I'm just trying to be careful, sir.
25:07 You've called me, I'm a guest, so don't inconvenience me.
25:11 So now they realised that May 9th...
25:14 No, but I said two people have actually left the party.
25:17 Abbasi and Usman Dar have left the party.
25:20 Why did they say that they'll join the party? Why didn't they leave?
25:24 Do you have any idea?
25:26 I think it's a different deal for everyone.
25:29 Because Farooq Sahib is an ISAF young voter, student politics,
25:33 he knows exactly how the party is being managed at the grassroot level.
25:37 So I think symbolically,
25:39 if you ask them what they want,
25:42 all the people I've spoken to say that they'd like to fight a free election,
25:46 and then decide whether to join a party or not.
25:50 So, you see, the Noon League is in trouble,
25:56 so except Raja Riaz, who I have no idea why,
25:59 maybe because of this, because the whole viper-tory,
26:02 Faisalabad, Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf, they think it's a chance,
26:05 but the Noon League is in trouble, they know.
26:08 And all the politics that are being done against the Noon League in Punjab,
26:11 the bills for electricity, petrol, all that,
26:14 it's not easy to do that.
26:16 People's Party? Let's not even go there.
26:20 Why should they go?
26:22 It's better if the Labour Party goes to London.
26:26 Freedom?
26:27 Look, the Labour Party has good chances in London,
26:30 they're saying they'll win in the next election,
26:32 that's fine, but it's possible that if they want to make a new project,
26:36 they can't make PMLN new after so many years,
26:40 and this project has failed,
26:42 now if someone from them comes out,
26:44 then that new project is being made.
26:46 Now, if they do a Jalsa, then I'll say…
26:49 Mr. Murad Ra, this is a request from both the ladies,
26:53 that you should do a Jalsa,
26:54 so that they know that the party is doing something.
26:57 Any press conferences, any press conferences.
27:00 Well, there will be a Jalsa, everything will be done,
27:04 don't worry, let the election be announced.
27:07 I know everyone is very excited,
27:09 that there will be a news, that there will be cameras,
27:12 that there are 10 people, 15, 10,000.
27:15 Sir, I believe, last month I forgot the Istiqam Pakistan Party,
27:19 I remembered that when I joined,
27:21 this party was also formed,
27:22 I said, call Mr. Murad Ra,
27:23 otherwise if you do something, you'll remember someone.
27:26 No, I, if, I, a few things, points,
27:30 the point that was being discussed, Mr. Kashif, I want to say,
27:34 number one point, everyone says,
27:36 when you were in the party, why didn't you say this?
27:39 Look, when you are in a party,
27:41 you are sitting MPA, sitting minister,
27:44 you also talk, so while talking,
27:46 the talk reached where,
27:48 the talk was sidelined.
27:51 Second thing, second point, why did this point come?
27:54 This point came because every time this momentum was being made,
27:58 that if I get arrested, I have to come out,
28:00 if I get arrested, I have to come out,
28:02 so after coming out, did people have to eat chaliya from the radio?
28:05 When you have to come out, you know that that bomb cannot be controlled.
28:09 People didn't have to come out to shop here,
28:12 or to go to a restaurant.
28:14 So a momentum was made,
28:16 and one thing was done repeatedly,
28:18 and I still don't understand this thing,
28:21 that why was getting arrested such a big problem?
28:24 We all have been to jails,
28:26 why is it such a big thing?
28:28 To get arrested, everyone has to come out.
28:30 Sir, if I agree with you,
28:33 for a second,
28:35 I don't want to, but let me agree with you for a second.
28:38 These Farrukh Habib,
28:40 these tweets,
28:42 if you read the tweets,
28:44 that, that,
28:46 one day before his arrest,
28:48 he is still in jail,
28:50 there is no record in the police station,
28:52 he was not presented in the court,
28:54 all those tweets,
28:56 like a hard core worker,
28:58 are defending everything.
29:00 One.
29:02 His TV programs will be released after 9th May.
29:04 If I tell you, I will tell you a lot.
29:06 They are defending their party,
29:08 that they are being wronged,
29:10 that they are being used as an excuse to end their party,
29:14 that they are being broken.
29:16 Many people are silent in their inactivity.
29:19 They can stay silent,
29:21 that means there is an option of silence.
29:24 I don't want to name many people,
29:26 it is better not to.
29:28 Many people are silent.
29:30 But what is the reason that those people
29:32 who have been very vocal after 9th May and before the arrest,
29:35 I understand the argument that
29:37 there cannot be a discussion in the party,
29:39 there is no space,
29:41 no party has given so much space
29:43 that the leader is saying something
29:45 and someone disagrees.
29:47 But here there is conviction on everything
29:49 that the leader is doing.
29:51 So quickly, first Mr. Murad,
29:53 then I will answer you.
29:55 Or you want to say first?
29:57 First listen to Arfa BB.
29:59 Sir, is it allowed to talk in Istiqam Party?
30:01 Is it allowed to ask questions?
30:03 If there is a meeting, it will be allowed.
30:05 Oh, good point.
30:07 Mr. Murad.
30:09 Yes, no, in Istiqam Party,
30:11 till now it is allowed,
30:13 we will see later,
30:15 till now it is allowed to talk about everything.
30:17 But there is a faction in it,
30:19 please tell us.
30:21 If there is a discussion,
30:23 then there will be a faction.
30:25 Is there a faction function in your party?
30:27 Look, I will tell you that
30:29 I know that everyone has a lot of eyes on us.
30:31 Inshallah, when the election will come,
30:33 you will see where we have to go
30:35 or where we are going.
30:37 Before that, you will see all the activities.
30:39 So I am just telling you that
30:41 I know that you need news
30:43 and now more names will come.
30:45 I will be reminded of Kashif Sahib
30:47 after a few days, that he should be called again.
30:49 So that is why I am telling you.
30:51 You are reminded of him in dreams too.
30:53 My memories are going to increase in a few days.
30:55 I know it was a bit slow.
30:57 So that is why, Inshallah.
30:59 But I will tell you that
31:01 look,
31:03 what you were talking about,
31:05 at the end of the day,
31:07 you have to,
31:09 I know that like you said,
31:11 Farah Habib did it till the end.
31:13 You have to ask Farah Habib
31:15 that till here,
31:17 because if you look at the majority,
31:19 like what Usman Dar said,
31:21 I myself heard Usman Dar's interview
31:23 like he came before.
31:25 Luckily I turned on the TV
31:27 because I don't watch much.
31:29 So I was sitting there and I was surprised
31:31 what he said.
31:33 What he said was 100% truth.
31:35 Because I know where he was talking from.
31:37 When you are an insider,
31:39 you know why this person is talking
31:41 and outsiders are saying
31:43 that he has been taught this.
31:45 We are not saying that he is wrong.
31:47 He is saying right or wrong.
31:49 The real issue is not that he is saying
31:51 wrong or right.
31:53 I told you his interview.
31:55 He said that the respected judge
31:57 of Islamabad High Court also had to say
31:59 that you will get release.
32:01 He is saying it himself.
32:03 When you will do a press conference,
32:05 he did this press conference on 24th May.
32:07 The respected judge of Islamabad High Court
32:09 also had to say that you will get
32:11 release when you will do a press conference.
32:13 People who are not able to tolerate
32:15 pressure and pressure,
32:17 people's businesses are being destroyed,
32:19 people's families are being killed.
32:21 So he said,
32:23 everyone knew the formula.
32:25 Waleed Iqbal, don't you have pressure
32:27 to leave the party?
32:29 Why didn't anyone arrest you?
32:31 No, I didn't get any such pressure
32:33 after 9th May.
32:35 Why are you getting him arrested?
32:37 I am asking you.
32:39 For whom is this facility?
32:41 I did a press conference.
32:43 I did a press conference.
32:45 But I didn't announce
32:47 to leave the party.
32:49 The day I am the chairman
32:51 of Senate committee,
32:53 it is a committee of human rights.
32:55 A resolution was approved.
32:57 It was the month of May.
32:59 Or maybe it was June.
33:01 I presented the resolution
33:03 in the press conference.
33:05 I said,
33:07 not only this committee of Senate
33:09 has condemned violence,
33:11 but I also
33:13 condemned
33:15 the memories of the martyrs
33:17 and how they were humiliated
33:19 and looted, burned,
33:21 and arsoned.
33:23 I condemned all of that.
33:25 But I didn't need to say
33:27 that I am leaving politics
33:29 or I am saying goodbye to my party.
33:31 May Allah keep it like this.
33:33 And all of this
33:35 was said in the resolution.
33:37 The Pakistan Army
33:39 has announced
33:41 that they will stand by the law
33:43 and stand by the democracy.
33:45 It was welcomed.
33:47 And also,
33:49 the people who are
33:51 violent against the law
33:53 should be investigated.
33:55 But their fundamental rights
33:57 are fair trial, due process,
33:59 which our law also promises.
34:01 The press conference should also be
34:03 a fundamental right of the people.
34:05 All of this was said by the international
34:07 covenants that Pakistan has signed.
34:09 Fair trial, due process,
34:11 and all of their rights should be protected.
34:13 I also did a press conference on this.
34:15 But I didn't say anything like this.
34:17 Nor did anyone tell me to say anything like this.
34:19 I think the press conference should also
34:21 be a fundamental right of the people.
34:23 Will there be anyone left in the
34:25 Tariq Khan Sahib to fight the election?
34:27 The way people are slowly leaving the party.
34:29 Farooq Habib
34:31 was also
34:33 absconded.
34:35 I will come back to this
34:37 when I meet you.
34:39 Where will the tickets go?
34:41 I have made a list.
34:43 Asad Umar is in Tariq-e-Insaaf.
34:45 Shah Mahmood Qureshi is in Tariq-e-Insaaf.
34:47 Parvez Elahi is in Tariq-e-Insaaf.
34:49 All of them are in jail.
34:51 But how long does it take
34:53 to come out of jail?
34:55 There is an election.
34:57 It takes 1.5-2 hours.
34:59 You have to go to jail.
35:01 You have gone.
35:03 Now it is time to come out.
35:05 Anything can happen in Pakistan.
35:07 Thirdly, people who have
35:09 left the party, like Farooq Habib
35:11 is not electable.
35:13 He is a party voter.
35:15 Asad Umar is also not electable.
35:17 Shah Mahmood Qureshi has his own vote.
35:19 Parvez Elahi has his own vote.
35:21 PTI has to be pushed.
35:23 That is why he is here.
35:25 Fawad Chaudhary has his own vote.
35:27 PTI has to be pushed.
35:29 If we talk about Usman Dar,
35:31 he will not be elected.
35:33 Which party is Fawad Chaudhary in?
35:35 Fawad Chaudhary is hanging in the middle.
35:37 His personal wish is
35:39 to fight for a free election.
35:41 Secondly, I think Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaaf
35:43 has made a decision
35:45 that they will give tickets
35:47 to Vukla.
35:49 There are many people who...
35:51 There is a committee made by the government.
35:53 They will give tickets to Vukla.
35:55 They have a lot of interest in Lahore.
35:57 They have a lot of interest in Lahore.
35:59 Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaaf
36:01 is working on a strategy.
36:03 You will see Vukla in many places.
36:05 This is a smart move.
36:07 If there is a dispute with Vukla,
36:09 then the case will be handled
36:11 with the Supreme Court.
36:13 The bodies will be there.
36:15 For the lawyer,
36:17 it will be easier to go to the court.
36:19 The Chief Justice
36:21 will be there.
36:23 It is a smart strategy.
36:25 Let's see if it backfires or not.
36:27 I think it is a good strategy.
36:29 What do you think?
36:31 Vukla's ticket is a good thing.
36:33 It is a principle decision
36:35 that lawyers will be given tickets.
36:37 Do you see a lot of tickets
36:39 going to PTI?
36:41 There is a process of scrutiny.
36:43 Many nominations are rejected.
36:45 This is their
36:47 scheme.
36:49 I think Shoaib Shaheen
36:51 said yesterday that 100 nominations
36:53 have been rejected.
36:55 Mian Sahib is having a fanfare.
36:57 The whole of Punjab is preparing
36:59 for the Jalsa.
37:01 But 100 nominations and no permission
37:03 for the Jalsa.
37:05 They have other issues.
37:07 Maria was also saying
37:09 that if we compare
37:11 with PMLN,
37:13 a party that had a majority
37:15 of 2/3 in 1997,
37:17 they had around 20 seats
37:19 in the parliament.
37:21 15.
37:23 After that,
37:25 in 2008, the situation changed.
37:27 This is a part of
37:29 the history of Pakistan.
37:31 We will see how many people
37:33 are left. You said that they have
37:35 many challenges.
37:37 If we reverse this,
37:39 I would say that
37:41 I think someone is doing
37:43 more injustice than PMLN.
37:45 I want to praise Maria
37:47 for creating
37:49 an anti-establishment
37:51 movement in Punjab.
37:53 Why has she made
37:55 PMLN a party?
37:57 Whenever there is an election
37:59 and there is a performance
38:01 of PMLN,
38:03 who will consider
38:05 those seats as genuine?
38:07 This is a huge
38:09 loss.
38:11 The biggest
38:13 party in Punjab
38:15 was the biggest party in Punjab.
38:17 We said that they were
38:19 treated so badly
38:21 and were restricted.
38:23 Still, they became
38:25 the single largest party.
38:27 The difference between
38:29 PMLN, PTI and Punjab
38:31 was insignificant.
38:33 If Azad had gone
38:35 to the other side,
38:37 the government would have
38:39 made PMLN.
38:41 Will that victory
38:43 be seen as a genuine victory?
38:45 We are adding
38:47 another aspect to this.
38:49 In 2002, Nawaz Sharif
38:51 was not there.
38:53 In 2008, he was there.
38:55 He was there during the election.
38:57 He was a part of the party.
38:59 He was not a candidate.
39:01 This is an important thing.
39:03 What I am trying to make over here
39:05 is that he was not a candidate in 2002,
39:07 he could not take part in the elections
39:09 in 2024.
39:11 We have to see
39:13 if he can take part in the elections.
39:15 We are talking about the level playing field.
39:17 PTI should also get the election.
39:19 But PMLN's level playing field
39:21 is also in danger.
39:23 Who will fix the PMLN?
39:25 Mr. Shibas.
39:27 What are you doing for 16 months?
39:29 You are bringing back Mr. Dar.
39:31 Mr. Dar, I am saying.
39:33 Sir, it is a question of credibility of election.
39:35 Mr. Murad Raj.
39:37 The American says that we are not allowed
39:39 to hold a Jalsa.
39:41 You think it is odd that they ask for liberty.
39:43 They say they cannot.
39:45 And the corner of Noon League
39:47 where they say we have to hold a Jalsa,
39:49 they say we need 10 more days.
39:51 Do you see this or you think
39:53 you are not seeing this?
39:55 No.
39:57 Mr. Kashif, I think
39:59 the one who
40:01 asks for permission should be given.
40:03 I think it should be.
40:05 I think there should be no restrictions
40:07 for Jalsas and Jalusas.
40:09 If someone asks for unreasonable
40:11 place or requests unreasonable,
40:13 that is a different thing.
40:15 But I think at the end of the day,
40:17 whoever wants to ask,
40:19 should be allowed to hold Jalsa.
40:21 And the second thing is that
40:23 at the end of the day,
40:25 this too shall pass.
40:27 This whole thing.
40:29 For whom are you saying this?
40:31 For everyone.
40:33 This is a good sentence.
40:35 But I don't understand
40:37 who is the recipient of this.
40:39 Who is the beneficiary of this.
40:41 It is up to everyone.
40:43 It is up to everyone.
40:45 But Inshallah,
40:47 at the end of the day,
40:49 I wish you all a happy Jalsa.
40:51 Because I think
40:53 the Jalsa should start.
40:55 I heard a dialogue in an Indian film.
40:57 A man steals at night
40:59 and distributes the money to the poor.
41:01 I don't know if he is a Muslim or a God.
41:03 The problem is that the people who
41:05 increased it, reduced it.
41:07 In the name of Allah, the dollar
41:09 and the international market
41:11 has decreased.
41:13 I hope it gets better.
41:15 I hope it gets better.
41:17 This means that the elected government
41:19 could not reduce the dollar.
41:21 Mr. Waleed Iqbal,
41:23 why are you not allowed to hold Jalsa?
41:25 Are you actively trying
41:27 to allow us to hold Jalsa?
41:29 The Lahore PTI
41:31 had requested the Deputy Commissioner
41:33 to hold Jalsa.
41:35 As you said,
41:37 it was a liberty roundabout.
41:39 Or a liberty chalk.
41:41 They were not allowing us to hold Jalsa.
41:43 They were not answering us.
41:45 If they answer us,
41:47 the matter will reach the Lahore High Court.
41:49 The answer that was submitted
41:51 to the High Court was this.
41:53 You must know that the Intelligence
41:55 has said that there is a lot of unblock
41:57 and it could be harmful.
41:59 Your track record is also not good.
42:01 They have denied permission.
42:03 I will come to the track record.
42:05 The judge said that
42:07 if the PTI is not allowed here,
42:09 then no party will be allowed.
42:11 And then he instructed
42:13 that the PTI should give
42:15 5 more seats to Lahore.
42:17 And the court has ordered.
42:19 Let's see if you get it or not.
42:21 Quickly, in one sentence,
42:23 I will answer both of you.
42:25 What will happen in the conference?
42:27 Anyone?
42:29 They will leave Lal Haveli.
42:31 They will take Lal Haveli.
42:33 You are going wrong.
42:35 So instead of forcing,
42:37 they will say that they are going back to Lal Haveli.
42:39 If you don't understand, I will explain.
42:41 Time is less than competition.
42:43 They cannot leave PTI because it is their own party.
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