Is it a criminal offense to lose or publish a cypher?
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00:00 Is it a crime to be arrested if such documents are lost?
00:09 If it is, how exactly?
00:12 Mr. Jankir Jadun?
00:15 In the name of Allah, first of all you have to see where the original cipher of the documents are.
00:24 A deputy secretary has written a letter to the chief justice saying that he is enclosing it.
00:30 A copy of it goes to the chief of army staff, to the president, to the principal secretary through the foreign ministry.
00:36 It is not a document that if it is lost, it cannot be traced again.
00:43 But there is a necessity in the cipher law, the cipher of the foreign ministry, that if it is lost, it is a trace of the document.
01:03 There must be a mechanism in the internal foreign ministry.
01:08 As far as the question is concerned, how is this offense made?
01:13 In the Official Secret Act, section 5 of the offense deals with communication.
01:19 If you have such communication as a public office holder, as a prime minister,
01:26 which cannot be disclosed in a public place, or you disclose it,
01:32 it affects the national interest.
01:38 We can say that the Cognizable Offense can be made into an Official Secret Act.
01:44 You are saying that it is a crime to disclose the information of the cipher.
01:48 I was asking you a question, whether it is a crime to lose it or not.
01:51 You are saying that it is a crime to disclose the information of the cipher.
01:56 I am telling you that there must be a copy of it.
02:00 There are copies of it, of course, lying with the Chief Justice.
02:03 We cannot see the content of the cipher.
02:07 I am asking you whether it is a crime to lose it or not.
02:14 It is a serious matter.
02:16 The Official Secret Act does not say that it is an offense to lose it.
02:20 Is it an offense to disclose the content of the cipher?
02:25 If you disclose the content of the cipher, it is a classified document.
02:31 If you disclose it, it is a privilege breach of an international sovereign country.
02:36 It is a violation of the national interest of Pakistan.
02:40 It damages the national interest.
02:42 If you use it as a political tool, it is a privileged document.
02:49 The Official Secret Act section 5 is applicable to it.
02:54 Alright.
02:56 Mr. Shoaib, please comment on this.
03:00 The Minister of Justice has pressed a press conference and asked for punishment.
03:03 He said that if a person is not malicious and loses it,
03:06 then he will be sentenced to 2 years of imprisonment.
03:08 If he is malicious, then he will be sentenced to 14 years of imprisonment.
03:11 Mr. Shoaib, what do you have to say on this?
03:13 Mr. Badami, if he was sure that all his cases are genuine and correct,
03:20 then he would have made 20 cases and stopped.
03:24 He has made more than 180 cases.
03:26 He says that he will be punished.
03:30 So, I leave his press conference and come to this.
03:33 So, being lost or misplaced,
03:37 whatever he did to you in good faith,
03:41 whatever statement he gave, I don't have it in my knowledge.
03:43 But let me tell you one thing.
03:45 You are driving a car, you have an accident, your things get stolen.
03:49 You are on the road and your bag gets stolen.
03:52 Is there a punishment for that according to any law of Pakistan?
03:57 There is no punishment for that.
03:59 As far as this cipher issue is concerned, you will remember that
04:03 it was kept in the cabinet, it was declassified in the cabinet.
04:07 There, the decision was that you keep it in the National Security Council,
04:11 which is our highest body on the national security issue.
04:14 And in the National Security Council, all the heads of our armed forces were present.
04:21 And there it was decided that this is a serious attack on the security and independence of our country.
04:29 They have their own minutes, which are chaired by Imran Khan.
04:33 And then not only is he demarched,
04:37 his ambassador is strongly protested against,
04:40 then when his regime changes, then again when Shahbaz Shaikh comes to power,
04:46 there is a meeting of the National Security Council again.
04:49 And in that, the one who wrote this cipher is called.
04:53 They are interviewed in full detail about those contents.
04:57 They are asked, they are taken assistance, and they confirm it.
05:02 Then his minutes are held again.
05:04 And on the floor of the house,
05:07 Shahbaz Shaikh says that there were threatening words in it.
05:11 And they announce that we will make a commission, a high-powered commission,
05:16 which will do its inquiry.
05:18 And on the other side, Imran Khan had made a commission under the leadership of General Retired Tariq,
05:24 which he later apologized for, he said that I do not make.
05:28 See, instead of doing politics at this time, the political parties of the EPC are doing it.
05:33 Instead of doing politics, there is an attack on the independence of the country.
05:38 All parties should be united, all people of the country should be united.
05:42 It is not that we are enemies with any country.
05:45 But tell them that in our affairs, the kind of interference you have,
05:50 we are not a slave nation.