00:00All right, it's another episode of the Cedric Maxwell podcast.
00:11I am Josue Bavone alongside Cedric Maxwell and our special guest, Rick Mahorn, Pistons
00:16legend, Pistons broadcaster, radio broadcaster, Rick Mahorn.
00:22What's up, Rick?
00:23Man, all this bullshit introduction, man, I could have did better myself.
00:26Why don't you just say Hampton's Finest or something like that?
00:30So you want-
00:31That's too easy.
00:32It's too easy for you.
00:33You ain't got to build me up.
00:35People know I'm the bad boy.
00:36Well, look, look, I tell you what I got for you.
00:40Pretty soon you're going to have somebody going to be serving you for some shit that
00:44you did to me about damn 30, 40 years ago when you fouled my ass.
00:50You know how they go back with these lawsuits now, Rick, where they go, if you got hit by
00:54Rick Mahorn, then, you know, you're, you can get some money.
01:01Come on, man.
01:02Hey, that's what they call that disability.
01:05Get your Medicaid card, get all that and that's what they call it, call it Medicaid.
01:14And then you get that prepaid food card.
01:16Go ahead and get it, Max.
01:18I'm gonna get it.
01:19We want to know because I've seen you, you're about to have an operation, right?
01:24How are you?
01:25How you been doing?
01:26That's correct.
01:27I had a, you know, I had a consult earlier today, you know, getting, you know, we had
01:32positive thoughts leaving out, but sometimes, you know, when you go under the knife, it's
01:37always that case of nervousness, anxiety, and it just, you know, but I felt better going
01:43out, but shoot, after time, you know, you go in there and he's looking at the hospital
01:48and you're going like, damn, look at all these people with these masks and walking
01:53around with canes and all this stuff.
01:54But you know what?
01:55Hey, that's what God, God's got a good plan for me.
01:59So I'm looking forward to it.
02:00Now, you've been, this is one of those questions I always want to ask you physically.
02:05You've been really healthy, you know, for a big guy, you, you know, play the game the
02:09way you did to see your body start to change and things start to break down.
02:15How did that make you feel?
02:16Because I know my damn back, man, is all screwed up right now.
02:19Man, it made me feel like I did something that I would have did for free.
02:26You know, we played basketball, bred on the, on out and on the concrete and canvas sneakers.
02:33I would have did this for, I would did this shit for free because I love basketball.
02:38I love sports.
02:40But you know, as we get older, it'd be, you remember, he listened to them old heads on
02:45the sideline.
02:46Man, you better don't do that, man.
02:48You go right.
02:49And then we sit there and go like, man, I want to hit that shit.
02:51And next thing you know, we, we, that old dude said, man, you better not do that.
02:57But you got to look at it now, bro.
02:59I'll be looking at the game now.
03:01It's like, it's not as physical, but I just, what, what personally, I would just want these
03:08young guys to respect the game like we did.
03:12And not only respect the game, but respect us because if it wasn't for us or the people
03:18before us, it wouldn't be nothing.
03:21Instead of thinking you did, you just invented the world.
03:26When you hear these, these asinine thoughts, these guys come out, oh, this, you, you know,
03:31they couldn't play.
03:32You could, they couldn't play when we play, but you know, that's what's, that's what it's
03:36called progression.
03:37Hey, they ain't even look, I know you, you're about my age too.
03:42We all, you know, it was the draft and they ain't even, they never heard of the draft
03:47because once you turn 18, you have to go to the, you have to file for the draft and I'm
03:52sitting there going like, but then meanwhile, they don't understand what the foreign guys
03:56go to go through because they have to do a service for their country.
04:02And it, it depends on what they want.
04:04If you have to give money, if you're a basketball player like Dino Raja, you had them up there
04:09and up there in Boston, Dino used to just pay them.
04:12Here you go.
04:13Uh, uh, my service is rendered, but that's what you had to do, man.
04:18Come on, Jason.
04:19Let me, let me, let me ask you, here's the question.
04:22How many people would have got killed if you were playing for $500,000 for a game?
04:27Like they're playing in that cup game right now.
04:30How many people, how many people would be able to walk away?
04:33Especially back then.
04:35Hey, forget that.
04:36I was doing it for 60,000.
04:40Division two, man, we had to share cafeterias with everybody else.
04:44We ain't had no NIL.
04:46You know, we get a couple of dollars back in the day.
04:49You figure like, boy, I'm rich and being a welfare kid with a single parent, my mom tried
04:55to give us everything, but you know what, all she had to do is give me love.
04:59And that was about the best thing you can ever do for your children, for your parents.
05:05It's all about the love.
05:06Money don't mean, money helps, but money don't mean a lot when you just got enough
05:11with the love of your family.
05:13You know, Rick, I was talking to Max last episode about the last time he played a pickup
05:18game or just had to put those sneakers on one last time.
05:22And it's not that far removed from his last day in the NBA.
05:27How far is your last time you took the floor?
05:29What was that like?
05:30I'll put it this way.
05:32I mean, get on the floor and play a competitive game or get on the floor and play bullshit
05:38games.
05:39BS games, just up and down with a half court or full court.
05:42I'm 66 and check this shit, I was still playing ball.
05:47And Brad, you know, once the league started expanding, then all of a sudden it was weak.
05:52So now the more you expand, that's when you got guys, you know, it wasn't shit.
05:57I could go back all the way to my first year.
06:01It was only 11.
06:02This was before I even, you know, before Brandon, it was only 22 teams with 11 players on the
06:08team.
06:09And you talked about a straight up fist fight for $50,000.
06:13I was going to whoop somebody's ass because I wanted a job.
06:17Now when you look at it, you talk about the Emirates game for 500k.
06:24Nobody would be standing.
06:28It's just, you know, the rules have changed, but I think it's fun for the league because
06:34you get two teams that, hey, you know, this can change someone's life.
06:38A guy that don't even play that's on the roster and, you know, even though 500k now today
06:47and then today's ain't a lot because half of that shit going to the government, then
06:52the city, then this and the state, and then you're getting taxed in every damn city you
06:57go play it.
06:58And shit, Brad, we still getting taxed and we ain't playing.
07:02That's bullshit.
07:03I can see if I was making $500,000 like I was playing, but now you get, you know, tax
07:14everywhere.
07:15Everybody wants, everybody wants some.
07:16So it is what, but Brad, you write for 500k.
07:21I might have to, you know, if my mother was playing, you know, I ain't going to kiss her.
07:25I'm going to knock her ass out.
07:27Let me, let me ask you this story was so funny last time you said, when you, when you see,
07:33when you see LeBron James, are you more annoyed or are you more amazed about what he's doing
07:40right now in the league?
07:42Brad, what I'm annoyed is what I'm annoyed with is social media and nothing's wrong with
07:50it.
07:51I mean, nothing's wrong with it used properly.
07:53Remember we had to read the newspaper the next morning and next thing you know, we wouldn't
07:58get information about nobody, Jason, until about a week later.
08:03But now it's so instantaneous that if LeBron breaks his fingernail or Steph Curry, a piece
08:10of his hair comes out, all of a sudden it's big news.
08:13So I like this new way of getting information, but I don't like it the way they use it to
08:22promote bullshit.
08:23So, but I figured, you know, a lot of times when I'm looking at it, Oh, it's on social
08:30media.
08:31It must be true.
08:32Hey, you know what?
08:33Hey, the truth is what, where you go ask that person, Hey, LeBron, is your fingernail hurt?
08:38You know what's going on.
08:39But now, you know, remember Brad, if you took a day off, you took a game off the next game
08:49and that guy that just got in front of you, because I know you had McHale on your ass
08:54and you just like, I'm gonna bust his ass every stinking day.
08:58And when Rodman and Sally, I was going to kick their ass every stinking day, because
09:05this is my job.
09:07This is my position.
09:09And the only way you won't get it if I, if I, if I'm dead and buried a lot with the Celtics
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10:08So with that, with that being said, hold on, with that being said, I knew Rick might say
10:11something right now.
10:12I knew it.
10:13I knew it.
10:14Biggie small.
10:15Get money.
10:16Get money.
10:17That's right.
10:18That's right.
10:19And I ain't mad at you paying bills, son.
10:20We got to do it.
10:21We got to do it.
10:22We've got a lot of reason now, you know, you got to pay to pay the bills here.
10:29Hey, Brad, you wanted this.
10:31You know, I love, I love, I love, I love, I love, I love, I love, I love, I love, I
10:38love, I love, I love, I love, I love, I love, I love, I love, I love, I love, I love, I love,
10:39I love, I love, I love, I love, I love, I love, I love, I love, I love, I love, I love,
10:40I love, I love, I love, I love, I love, I love, I love, I love, I love, I love, I love, I love,
10:41I love, I love, I love, I love, I love for you.
10:42I love, I love, I love, I love, I love, I love, I love, I love for you.
10:43And you know, much as I hate Boston, it's going to be fun to get back up there and Beanton
10:46and just enjoy the fans.
10:48Pretty pretty amazing, but they're assholes.
10:52And thank God.
10:54Thank God.
10:55Listen, thank God that they have assumed names now, because bread, we used to play
11:01you.
11:02They was called in our wounds and see this technology again they were calling our wounds
11:06, and I never get called so many n words in my life.
11:10And it was like, I had one dude on there that messed around, and we had caller ID, and we
11:19called him at 3, 4, 5.
11:23We called him twice at 2 in the morning, because back then, you get that phone, man, we tore
11:29his ass up.
11:30Man.
11:31But, you know, it was a different, it was really a different time that you and I played
11:37in.
11:38And when you think about the era, and people, and respecting people, respecting the game,
11:44got legends that you played with.
11:46You know, you could go down, this is one thing I was thinking about the other day, and did
11:51I play on, did I play, I had, I'm going with my, and this is not politically correct, but
11:56this is what we do.
11:58I'm going with my all-white team, the guys that I played with.
12:02I played with the best all-white team ever.
12:05Now I got Larry Bird, Kevin McHale, I got John Havlicek, I got Dave Cowens, and I got
12:19the guy you hate the most, I got Danny Ainge.
12:21Can you find me a better all-white team?
12:26And Pete Marabitch also, I played with him.
12:31Okay, so when I look at, I played with Jeff Rulon, and also, I mean, and Bill Lambeer,
12:38and then you go, I go a little bit, let's see, who else did I have?
12:44Not Kevin Grievey, no, let me stop grieving.
12:49But then you look up, so my all-white team is one of the best all-white teams ever put
12:56together, right?
12:57Yeah, I'll put it, yeah, I'll give it to you.
13:00You know, in D.C., and when we won the championship, all we had was Bill Lambeer, and we called
13:07him my honorary brother, because he would wear it with his little tight butt slacks
13:12and all that stuff, but hey, man, that was, let's see, Lambeer, let's see, Jeff Rulon,
13:19who was a beast, played with Dino Raja, but you know, do we consider him white or do we
13:25consider him a generation?
13:29But shoot, you got me thinking, bro, most of the time, all I saw was brothers, and no
13:38Spanish dudes at all.
13:41Brothers to the left are your brothers to the right of you, that's what it was.
13:45Even a few light-skinned brothers, baby.
13:47Yeah, yeah, yeah, but I thought about that the other day, I said, man, the team that
13:52I played with, the white guys I played with, I don't think there could ever be, I'm just
13:57thinking of the teams that, I can't think of a better one that you can have a combination
14:04of somebody else who played with that many white guys who could play the game at that
14:08level.
14:09I'm still thinking about it, I mean, damn, you gonna have me think about this shit, then
14:14I'm gonna call you later, or I'm gonna text you later and say, listen, this is, man, fuck
14:20that, but I'll tell you right now.
14:22You got me thinking recently, just not even, I can't even think of one.
14:24Well, Boston got, listen, that damn Peyton Pritchard, I could kick his little ass, that
14:28little motherfucker, man, and I hate to call him a little, but that little motherfucker
14:33bad, and then you go, that damn Houser shoots some fucking jumpers, and then you throw in
14:39them big poor Zingas and that other big fucker, is it Cornette, and you throw him in there,
14:45it was like, damn, these are, this is all a white team, this is all a white team, but
14:49they're kicking our ass right now.
14:52But you know what, I told, I told, I told Peyton Pritchard that, I said, dude, let me
14:57tell you what, you're lucky right now, you're playing now, you're going to try to get a
15:01rebound during the 80s or the 70s, and you, and you, you under, you under, man, those
15:07were the, they would have told you, you might got one, but damn it, you ain't getting, you,
15:12the next one you'll get, you'll get from the hospital.
15:15You know, ready to be in that pain area, everything is free, you know, just bling it out there
15:21and say, yeah, bring your bitch ass in here again.
15:25I mean, the game has changed, the game has changed.
15:28But you know, people, people wouldn't believe that that, those were the words that were
15:32said when you play, you were getting cussed out all the time, you were getting, you were
15:37getting assaulted every time you went on the floor, especially if you could play, and you
15:42better not be a guy on the bench talking shit, and you can't play.
15:46Oh, man, your teammates, man, shut up, shut your damn mouth, because this dude right here,
15:51this dude right here is going to fuck me up because of you, you ain't even coming out
15:56here.
15:56And then you go take it out on them on practice, and then that fucker be like, I ain't saying
16:02shit else, he'll be sitting there mumbling, but I love, you know, when you look at the
16:07game today, you know, I look at it, they're getting younger, which, you know, we got teenagers
16:13in there, and I, you know, it should be something where they do, remember, now they got the,
16:18what is it, rookie transition program.
16:21But what I think about that rookie transition program, they're not given history.
16:27And see, I learned history going to an all-black college where I looked at, like, I looked
16:34at people like Earl of Pearl Monroe, Bobby Dandridge, Willis Reed was my hero, and I
16:39didn't even know that he went to Grambling.
16:42So I'm looking at them, and then I'm looking at other people, Sam Jones, I'm sitting there
16:46going like, Sam Jones won 10 championships, and I'm going like, nobody talks about him.
16:53Or Al Adams, I mean, these are people that battled in this league, Clem Johnson from
16:59FAMU, you just go like, damn, Carlos Terry, then you go, okay, Ben Wallace from Virginia
17:07Union, Oakley.
17:08These are the people that when I look at my wall of, you know, historically black players,
17:14I just go like, who's the first person to play?
17:16And then you go, okay, who's the, they don't even know the history of who's the first
17:22black person that played in this NBA, or who got drafted in the, Earl Lloyd, Earl Lloyd,
17:29I got a chance to see, you can look up on my wall, right there.
17:33That is, of course, that's Willie, you know, that's Hank Aaron, but underneath, that's
17:39my man Earl Lloyd played for the Syracuse Nats.
17:42And you go, damn, people don't even know that.
17:45You know, you go, you do your history, do your homework, and that's how you respect
17:50the game.
17:50Because, Brett, I don't know if you get on the bus or I get on the bus, half of them
17:54don't know who the hell we are.
17:56Look, let me tell you, and he's right about that, because the first time, Jason Tatum
18:08kind of knew me, but he didn't know me.
18:10And then one day he was like, came out on the court, this guy started shooting, he's
18:14like, Cornbread, Cornbread.
18:16I said, what's wrong with you?
18:18He said, I saw you on that 30 for 30.
18:20Damn, you're a bad motherfucker, man.
18:25So you're introduced to history with some of the games that you might have played in.
18:32I mean, I showed the tape of you elbowing me, I gave you a pump fake and you came down
18:40full bore, you ain't trying to help me up.
18:43I showed this to Joe Mazula, head coach of the Celtics.
18:46He said, man, I like that, I like that.
18:51He said, there need to be more of that in the league.
18:53I was like, damn.
18:55Joe loves that.
18:57I showed it to Tatum, I showed it to Brown, and all they did was go.
19:04And the first thing they started saying is, how many games did he get suspended for?
19:10I said, zero.
19:12Hey, Jay.
19:13Were you even subbed out?
19:15Listen, man, please, if you don't get up, you ain't going to play the rest of the game.
19:21But I'll tell you, he pump faked me any time after that game.
19:29Nope, nope, no, no more pump fakes.
19:31I'm going to shoot this shit right now because I ain't got time for you to hurt me with this
19:36250 pound body jumping on my ass.
19:39But you know what?
19:40I can see you seeing guys now how they try to avoid it when somebody gives them a pump
19:46fake, and they'll try to jump out the way.
19:48You ain't even trying to jump out the way.
19:50You already committed to crime.
19:53It's like driving a car, you speeding, speed limit 75, you doing 90, and then oh.
19:59Oh my god.
20:02Just might as well take the hit.
20:03But I look at that, and when you talk about Tatum, and you talk about Brown.
20:08And you know, Brad, I got a chance to talk about Tatum.
20:12We have a connection.
20:14I have family that coached him down there at Chaminade in St. Louis.
20:19So that was kind of a connection.
20:20But just to see them guys once they see us on 30 for 30 and all that kind of stuff, it
20:26gives us it gives us resolve that, hey, you did watch ESPN, and you know what to do.
20:33Look, our people be like shit.
20:35They got that.
20:36If they look at the movies, who Keith Wilkes played, Cornbread, Maxwell and me, whatever.
20:41I was like, that's the wrong person.
20:43But that's Hollywood.
20:46That's the real Cornbread over there.
20:48That's right.
20:50And when I tell you, you go down, and I said, this dude was the MVP of the NBA finals and
20:58shit.
20:58People go like, oh, I thought it was Bird.
21:00But here's the question that I want you to do to him next time you see him.
21:04Both of you up.
21:05Who was the last guy or name the two people name the two people in the NBA and NBA history
21:13won MVP and Rookie of the Year.
21:18I know I know I know one of them because he's your guy.
21:21West on sale.
21:22Okay.
21:23West on sale was one of them.
21:25Rookie of the Year and MVP.
21:29Damn.
21:30The second one is the Rookie of the Year and the MVP.
21:35No, no, no, no, no.
21:38Magic wasn't in that.
21:39Damn.
21:40That's pretty good.
21:41Whoa.
21:41Just give me a second.
21:42I got to get this year.
21:44I knew it was West on sale because that's one of my favorite stats.
21:49But here's the thing.
21:52It's so crazy that you say that because nobody knows.
21:56And that's the fact that I played with a guy that was like, you know, my mentor, my daddy.
22:02God bless his soul.
22:02But he taught me how to be a pro in this league.
22:06Him and Adrian Dantley.
22:07So I look at them and I go like, oh, these dudes.
22:10And a lot of kids don't even know Adrian Dantley.
22:12Man, I ran.
22:13Look, I ran into that West on sale pick.
22:16That brother hit me so damn hard, man.
22:18I'm still like, I still think my spine is out of whack, man.
22:24Nobody called the pick.
22:25I was running full speed, trying to guard somebody as a rookie.
22:29And nobody said nothing.
22:31He stood there.
22:32And it's like I ran into a brick wall.
22:34And you can hear the crowd go.
22:42Who is this second guy, though?
22:44It's too easy.
22:45Will Chamberlain.
22:48Oh, I was going to guess that.
22:49I should have.
22:50Will Chamberlain.
22:51But you know, the first time when I go to camps or something like that, the kids go,
22:55oh, oh, no, it was Michael Jordan or Magic Johnson.
23:01Of course, they're going to.
23:02But then I tell them, why are you worried?
23:04You know, the league.
23:06And then I asked him, how long you think the league has been the NBA?
23:10And they don't know.
23:11It's been over 70 going on 75 years.
23:14Over 75.
23:15Yeah, what was the surprise?
23:16Surprised me.
23:17Somebody said there was only about 6,000 people.
23:20We played in 75 years.
23:23Only 6,000 of us.
23:25I told you that.
23:27Yeah, he was the one I told you.
23:29It was the ones that you because you get repeaters.
23:32Yeah.
23:34Rick, I thought it was I'm thinking in my mind.
23:36It got to be, you know, 15, 16,000 people.
23:40Easy 6,000 people that now that tells you really how good you got to be.
23:47The repeaters you talk about.
23:49And just wait.
23:50Here's the biggest thing.
23:51We talked about the league.
23:53When Ricky and I came in the league, you were fighting for that position.
23:58You had to earn and him more than me.
24:01But I was a first round pick.
24:03Ricky came from all black school.
24:06So a lot of times it was it was segregation towards him.
24:10It's like he couldn't play.
24:12So he went through a whole nother trial and tribulation that I didn't go through.
24:16So I thought was absolutely crazy.
24:18But that was that was that was real, you know, real shit.
24:23When you think about the way we had to fight for our positions and, you know,
24:27hold it down and all this other stuff is crazy.
24:30So what was those first first couple of years like, Rick?
24:33Well, you know, being Division Two, being from Hampton Institute,
24:38first and foremost, they think I just got out of prison
24:41and think I was institutionalized.
24:44But, you know, the fact of the matter, I had Mitch Cupcak, Dave Corzine.
24:49We you know, they had a bunch of repeaters.
24:52And, you know, I sat there and I'm looking at these dudes.
24:55They didn't a lot of them be thinking that they know basketball, but they didn't.
24:59I knew fundamental.
25:01And the fact of the matter, I could play multiple positions.
25:05And a lot of guys come in the league and just say, oh, I'm a center or I'm a forward.
25:11Or I'm a guard.
25:12But you may be best suited for that team, accepting a role.
25:16So I learned from Unsell that I could play center and I could play power forward.
25:20Now I knew I learned how to play the three position,
25:23because a lot of times you get caught in transition.
25:26Would you want me to just run down the middle of the court?
25:28Hell no, I'm gonna get out here on this open spot and try to drive and give me a layup.
25:33You see me, I may put my hand up, give it up.
25:36But that's the thing about fundamental basketball.
25:39And then we get the guys that come in from high school or one year college guys.
25:44Are they fundamentally sound?
25:45But then you get the guys in the second round who's already seasoned,
25:51already knows how to do a back cut or knows how to do a reverse pivot.
25:57You have to teach these.
25:58That's why they got 30 coaches.
26:00Let me ask you this.
26:00What was the best lesson you learned that you can remember from a player and a coach?
26:08So give me one from a player and one from a coach.
26:10Because you were the great Chuck Daly,
26:12but there was other people out there that people don't know about.
26:16And give me a player that says, mine was Dave Bing.
26:20Dave Bing came to me my rookie year and he talked to me.
26:23He's like, Brad, you can be in this league for a while,
26:25but you have to keep your nose clean and you have to be ready to listen
26:30and you have to be ready to learn.
26:32And that was the best words I got from a player.
26:35I got that same message from Wes Hunsell.
26:38That's why I said that's my daddy.
26:42Every time I see his son, Wes Jr., it brings me to life.
26:47That's my family.
26:49And Wes taught me just what you just said.
26:52Listen and learn, but also keep your nose clean.
26:55Because there's so many distractions that we see off the court from a player.
27:02And as for a coach, of course, it's going to be Daddy Rich Chuck Daly.
27:06Because Chuck Daly, you know, he was an exquisite dresser.
27:12And you know, Brad, we learn every time I see you be looking sharp.
27:17We learn from our other people.
27:18And I was just talking to the missus and stuff saying, why?
27:22Or no, I was talking to my son.
27:25And it's like, why do these guys all want to look the same?
27:29You know, you go on the road and see that they got, all right, I'm going to get braids.
27:33I'm going to get curls.
27:34I'm going to get dreads or whatever.
27:35But then you see them with all their pants down.
27:38I ain't got time to look at a lot of straws.
27:41Come on, man.
27:44Now they're getting paid $50 million.
27:45You still looking like one of the dudes from prison, Ward 8.
27:51You want your pants baggy, but you jump into a big bottle.
27:54Yeah, but Rick, not even the coaches are dressing anymore.
27:57You know, I think that's kind of different.
27:59Well, you know, I kind of like it because they keep uniformed.
28:03You know, it's basically because we wear uniforms, but I would love for them to sit on that bench.
28:09Brad, I got paid a lot of off court money just because I will come to each game that I didn't
28:16play dressed to the nine because then they look at it because now you're a professional.
28:21You know, you ain't got to look me up to know that I got nice.
28:24I dress nice, but I dress nice because I want I represent my family.
28:30And, you know, if I walk around here, my sons, if I walk around with my pants hanging off my ass
28:35and my drawers are dirty, they're going to get me.
28:37You know, it's like, oh, nobody wants to see them stains because he ain't white.
28:42Sometimes, you know, you're sitting on the bus and you
28:44and you're sitting in these guys walking by him like.
28:47But it's not to me.
28:54I always said to a lot of the rookies or some that really know me, I said, respect the game,
29:01you know, respect the game, because if you respect the game, the game will respect you.
29:07And that's what I like to see more of with the league.
29:11I think when Allen Iverson and him got in with the ball caps, the hats backwards,
29:16you know, where great times are good times.
29:19Yeah, different times because that was the hip hop world.
29:22But you know what?
29:24That's my era, Max.
29:25That's my right there.
29:26Yeah.
29:26So I look at that right there and I said, you know, you can be correct.
29:30You know, you don't have to have shit hanging off your ass and jumping
29:34and jumping in a fucking Benz or Maybach.
29:38And you got your girls hanging down.
29:41You know, you're you're right when it comes to that.
29:44And but, you know, during that era, which I thought was the funniest thing,
29:48was the fact that those baggy pants, they wore.
29:51Iverson would make a move and he had to pull his pants back.
29:54He made the move.
29:57How comfortable can that feel?
29:58No, every time, you know, you go back to the hood, you go back.
30:03Man, if a cop come there, they weren't pulling their pants, dumbass.
30:07You got to wear some some some you got to wear some leggings or some shit
30:12so nobody can catch your ass.
30:14No, what you had to do was you had to have the shorts underneath the pants.
30:17So you was ready to ball whenever and help keep your pants up.
30:20But that was that was for the real ballers out there.
30:23Well, the real ballers, we ain't give a shit.
30:24We playing in the jeans or whatever because we get out there.
30:28And also you got a game.
30:29We don't catch a game.
30:30You got a ball.
30:31Yucks.
30:32That was crazy.
30:33Let me ask you this question.
30:34Here's a good one.
30:36What is the what's the worst influence?
30:38Drugs or women in the NBA?
30:40Drugs or women?
30:42I put I put the drugs with the women.
30:48And the reason why I say that, because, you know, they're both drugs, you know, but if you
30:53if you're single and you know what you want to do, you could do what you want to do.
30:58But then, you know, like there was this and I see the same hole everywhere, every every
31:04little ego, every other city we go.
31:09Listen, boy, I almost got caught up when they traded one guy off our team and that girl was
31:15coming to check me.
31:16I'm like, I want that.
31:19I said, I said, excuse me, miss.
31:21I went to Hampton.
31:21Ratio was ten to one.
31:23I don't have time for that.
31:27People don't understand the real NBA back then was there were women were predators.
31:35And you would go to.
31:37And you didn't know that that one.
31:41Well, well, not all of them, but there were a lot of them.
31:44I ain't gonna say all of them, but but but there were a lot of women who were predators
31:49at that particular time because you go when you got traded to another team or you went
31:54to another team, you found out that somebody you were seeing was seeing somebody was also
31:59seeing somebody else.
32:00So that's predator shit right there.
32:04I say all of them.
32:06Kenny Martin had interesting take about that with his son telling more to his son about
32:10those type of females.
32:11Well, I can tell you right now, it's it's it's it's kind of a cycle because, you know,
32:17I guess it's still around.
32:19But that's why I go straight to my room.
32:21Don't go to the bar.
32:22And, you know, but you all now we all come on.
32:29I'm 34 years in.
32:31I'm good.
32:32Oh, folks.
32:33Oh, folks ain't gonna do that no more.
32:35We're trying to get back to after we get off the bus.
32:38We're trying to get to our rooms.
32:39But back then we weren't, you know, back then we were just hanging out.
32:44And I understood that.
32:45I understood the game.
32:46But it was a game after the game after the game that went wrong because my rookie year,
32:52I always remember there were four or five guys who were sitting in the room.
32:56They were all they were all snorting coke.
32:59And I just looked at them.
33:00I'm like, damn.
33:01And they kept they kept calling me.
33:03Look, come over and get some, man.
33:05I'm like, no, man, I'm good.
33:06I'm good.
33:06I'm good.
33:07But it was.
33:08But then how they got me, they got me on the woman's side.
33:16That's why you ask this question.
33:18The one that's going to get you one, I'm going to get you either women or the drugs.
33:22The drugs didn't get me, but the women.
33:24Oh, that was a whole nother story.
33:26It's the same.
33:27There's a drug.
33:28It's the women.
33:30It's a drug because then you're getting addicted to something.
33:33But like you just said, you go, I mean, I'm sitting here.
33:37I'm going like I did grow up in the hood.
33:39I tried to keep, you know, kept my nose clean and didn't didn't smoke.
33:44Then you go, OK, this is where in this city, what Kansas City or something, or you go to
33:50this city where it's nothing to do.
33:52And next thing you know, this dude pulls out the little packets and it was like, damn.
33:58And then next thing you know, they pulled out another little packet.
34:01And I'm like, what the hell am I missing?
34:04Because when I did try it, my gosh, that thing blew my whole nostril out and blew my head
34:10back in.
34:11And then you see guys going into rehab.
34:13And, you know, I played with John Lucas, played with John Williamson.
34:18And, you know, I played with that.
34:19And then crack was the big thing back then.
34:22But here's the here's the funny thing.
34:25When you look at it, these guys will get pulled over in the car and stuff like that.
34:29Now this instant instant news who's getting pulled over, why are they getting pulled over
34:34and thinking that they're bigger and better instead of just, you know, complying?
34:39But, you know, it is what it is, man.
34:41I'll take a quick break.
34:42We'll get back to this conversation.
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36:35I'll tell you right now, when you get caught gambling like Pete Rose up in there as players.
36:42See, that's another vice.
36:43That's another vice, Rick.
36:44You talk about the money and the women.
36:45But now, especially with the sports betting and how it's so accepted throughout the U.S.
36:52U.S.?
36:53U.S.?
36:54You mean worldwide?
36:56Oh, yeah.
36:57True.
36:57But I mean, I'm talking about the NBA players, right?
36:59I mean, someone was banned last season for getting involved with something like that.
37:04Yeah.
37:04He was playing mostly in the G League, but he's out the league now because he got
37:09caught up in a sports betting scandal.
37:11But he must be get money.
37:13He must have got a lot of money.
37:17I can't even do it.
37:18Brandon, I can't do that.
37:19It's like, you know, but I understand.
37:22I just go to the barbershop.
37:25Wow.
37:26Wow.
37:28There you go.
37:28He getting it.
37:30All right, Joe Sway.
37:31That's how that goes down.
37:33That's how that goes down.
37:33All right, Joe Sway.
37:34Let's wrap this puppy up, man.
37:36So I'm just going to say my last question is with the Pistons coming off of such a big
37:41win against the Knicks, what can we expect in this Celtics matchup on Thursday?
37:45Well, I hope that, you know, we don't turn the ball over, but we don't start off slow.
37:50When the Celtics jumped up on us real quick, they played, you know, they played like the
37:56champs did.
37:56They are, but they let us back in the game.
37:59So right then and there is some confidence going into Boston.
38:03And it's the fact that, hey, we can, if we can win in New York, we can win in Boston.
38:07And the team is playing better than they were last year.
38:11You know, we got with Cade playing, walking around, triple, double.
38:15You got, you know, guys like Ivy and also guys.
38:19Get the hell out of here.
38:20You ain't winning that damn game in Boston.
38:23Get the hell out of here.
38:24You ain't winning that game.
38:25I know I can't bet, but I know you better bring me out.
38:28If I'm coming, I'm letting you know.
38:30Yeah, we'll put you on.
38:31We'll put you on the picks.
38:32We'll get you prize picks, you know?
38:33Yeah, I don't.
38:34Yeah, that's probably as big as him making another sweet potato pie.
38:38Oh, look, sweet potato.
38:40Yo, I haven't had one of Max's sweet potato pies in years, man.
38:44You bringing that around lately?
38:46Man, we came in, Josue.
38:48We came in.
38:49Listen, I want to slap my mama with that dog one time.
38:53It tastes so damn good.
38:57You know, Brad, me.
38:58Go kiss your mama.
38:59Mama, Ricky, kiss your mama.
39:02Yeah, that's one of the funniest stories, man.
39:04Oh, man, Rick, appreciate you coming on, man.
39:06Second time.
39:07And I mean, you already know we'll get you back on at some point throughout the season.
39:10Well, make sure you get me back on after we whoop that Celtic boy.
39:15If that happens, I'm in.
39:17Let's do it.
39:18We'll give you a victory lap.
39:19You can talk your shit.
39:20All right, brother.
39:22You can't get through with your non-listening motherfuckers.
39:26I'm out.
39:27All right, Lander boys.
39:29It's Rick Mahone.
39:30I'm Josie Pavone.
39:31Cedric Maxwell.
39:31We'll see you guys next week.
39:33What's going on, everyone?
39:34It's Josie Pavone here.
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