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00:12hello and welcome to gang's all here as you notice i'm your host ryan sampson that's our
00:17jets beat writer brian costello costello but there's no frankie vitterini no frankie's on
00:22his way to aruba to get away from this jets mess cause uh how you doing buddy pedestrians in aruba
00:28beware right i told him on his boat his motorbike i said no scooters for you this weekend man we
00:35cannot have you coming uh banged up again that was that was a sight last year when he came with
00:41all
00:41facial scarring and everything unbelievable him and uh traveling and motor vehicles just not a good
00:47idea um but look cause uh as ugly as frankie's crashes are the jets are just as ugly on the
00:53football fields that's my easy see what you did there yeah um so look i i just listened to glenn's
01:01presser you guys just spoke to him a little bit ago um it seems like they're getting healthy they're
01:05getting garrett wilson back uh what more can you say about the injuries and the players that they're
01:09that are coming back this week against the bills yeah garrett has one more step to clear right but
01:13it's really just practicing today then he has to see the independent neurologist have to practice to
01:17make sure he's all clear but it feels like it's a just a formality so the jets will have their
01:23all
01:24their offensive weapons for the first time since week one series one right they lost omar cooper on
01:29that first series and we haven't seen all of them since then so that'll be interesting to see how they
01:34you know how that helps maybe they can score some touchdowns in the red zone with everybody
01:38you know in the raiders game didn't they they had everyone no breeze didn't play in the raiders oh yeah
01:43that's right yeah you're right wow that's crazy that this is the first time since
01:48yep so yeah i could have priest missed a lot of time cooper missed time mitchell missed time
01:52garrett missed time so yeah it's been a while so yeah and then uh on defense joseph osai will be
01:58back
01:58we'll see if he can help uh you know obviously he's kind of been in and out of the lineup
02:02since
02:02time here but he'll be back this week so yeah a little bit healthier and uh tough task for osai
02:08to
02:09come back to have to chase down josh allen uh in this and not only him but james cook in
02:13this
02:13entire bill's rushing attack we'll get into that in a little bit because i want to start with the
02:17vibe check again for this team uh coming off that loss against the chiefs and after the trade deadline
02:22which was very quiet other than andre cisco what is the vibe check around the jets right now yeah i
02:28think there's frustration right i think you know they need to win pretty bad not being said and they're
02:32still playing ping pong in the middle locker room every day they're you know they they're they go about
02:36their business it's not like they're sitting around crying but you can tell there's the frustration is
02:42high they just they need to win pretty desperately and the schedule makers gave them patrick mahomes
02:48and josh allen back to back um you know they they had the dolphins and the raiders back to back
02:53and
02:53didn't take advantage of it so now this feels even worse with these teams playing uh you know such good
02:59offenses and good quarterbacks right in a row um but you know i i don't i know there was a
03:04lot of
03:05discussion about whether they quit and we talked about that in the last episode i really don't think
03:09they quit but i think they were just bludgeoned by the chiefs team in the second half and you know
03:14i think they were just exhausted but um you know i'm curious to see how they look early in this
03:20game
03:20yeah uh whenever you hear you know even just if it's content creators or you guys talking about you
03:26know quit on these teams that's like a huge indictment on this coach and you that's the last
03:30thing that you need if you're aaron glenn who's trying to salvage whatever this season is and you know
03:36when we hear him now that you're a couple days removed from his comments the other day about how
03:41he feels that the jets team are on the cusp and i would ask you cause as the jets beat
03:46writer who's
03:47been doing this for a while and has seen these type of pressures before what were you making of what
03:52he
03:53said on the jets are on the cusp and that these games are really close he gave us a story
03:58that's what
03:59i was making of it as a beat writer obviously i was giddy um but yeah look on the cusp
04:05uh i understand
04:07why he feels that way like they have played close before last week they've been playing a lot of
04:11close games they do have we talk about it every week there's all this potential on offense you know
04:17but the defense is bad right so the defense is not on the cusp of anything and they're two and
04:23seven
04:24i'm not sure what you can be on the cusp of right like what's the best case scenario at this
04:29point
04:30um i don't know six wins is is like that that would be going forward for the rest of the
04:36way
04:37uh so what does that get you so i yeah i understand why he feels that way and he's got
04:43to be optimistic
04:43and stay positive but yeah i don't think the jets are on the cusp this season ryan i will say
04:49i think they on the cusp isn't probably the phrasing i would use but the they have potential
04:56to be a better team in 2027 with what we've seen offensively and having three draft picks and having
05:02money to spend if they can get the quarterback which is a big if and you know make some fixes
05:08on defense this team can be improved next year i i agree with what you're saying and i think that's
05:12where a lot of the sentiment is for jets fans but from my takeaway from seeing him saying that it
05:18feels
05:19very much like a coach trying to sell to the owner why he can still be the answer here as
05:23a head coach
05:24and i i get it like that's he's got to try to sell in fairness i asked the question ryan
05:29right i know
05:30yeah you got to give the answer like he i i asked them basically after the trade deadline you know
05:36what do they have left to play for because in a lot of i know a lot of fans felt
05:40like they should trade
05:41will mcdonald or trade geno smith um you know trade breeze hall whatever whoever it is to get draft
05:47picks and move to the future and so why does he feel like they can still achieve more so he
05:51is
05:51answering a question so i want to be fair but yeah i think he is making his case but i
05:55also think he's
05:56kind of making it to the team as well that he still believes in this team yeah i i guess
06:02that's where i
06:03would i would go next year for you is is because they didn't do much at the deadline and you
06:08had
06:08talked about it multiple times about how they're going to give this coach every and and any chance to
06:14try to prove himself yeah i can you talk about the will mcdonald of it all too that like you
06:20would
06:20you had put out the tweet about how that there was a there's a good offer out there on the
06:24table
06:24second round range i was told yeah so i think yeah yeah i mean look the will mcdonald one's the
06:30puzzling one right of the whole trade deadline i i'm with them on not trading geno i don't think that
06:36would have been smart obviously i breeze if you gave me a really good offer i think i probably would
06:41have thought about trading breeze um i'm not trading garrett i can't remember if anyone else
06:46was discussed but those are the big ones those are the big ones well mcdonald's hard to figure
06:51out ryan and i i think
06:56it's hard for anyone in this building right now to say this right because they want to be respectful
07:01of aaron glenn but in my read this is about giving the next coach the possibility of having
07:08will mcdonald like if they're a better team next year are they in games where they're winning in
07:15the fourth quarter and will mcdonald becomes a different player if you're winning in the fourth
07:19quarter and he can tee off on the quarterback like look what kansas city's defense did to the jets
07:25last week in the second half it was bring the house bring the house george carloftis chris jones like
07:32if you're winning the pass rush looks different and so maybe that maybe the the next head coach
07:39says i don't want will mcdonald and they can flip him before the draft for for a pick right they
07:44can
07:44trade him in the offseason so no one can say that right now ryan to be clear this is me
07:49speculating
07:50this isn't any jets organization saying this because no one is talking like that right now um
07:57they're everyone's respectful of aaron glenn he still has the job but i gotta think that's in
08:01the back of people's minds is uh i also think there's a belief in this front office in will
08:06mcdonald i think they see that he's an athletic freak and they think he can do more and um there
08:13seems to be to me there's a disconnect between the front office and the coaching staff and how
08:16will mcdonald has been used this year because the front office has repeatedly turned down trades for
08:20him going back to last year and the coaching staff has just kind of reduced his role as things went
08:27along so um it's unexplainable why he's not playing then if if if that's where that's where we're at
08:34right because yeah you can't be much worse if you put him on the field i think glenn keeps hinting
08:41at
08:41like you know the run defense like he doesn't come out and say that but i think they feel like
08:44will
08:44as a liability against the run um you know anibari they feel like he's better like to me david bailey
08:51has been awesome i think we've been unequivocal on this i do think they could cut david bailey's
08:56snaps back a little bit and he could be even more awesome like i'm worried he's going to hit a
09:01rookie
09:01wall at some point because he's playing 60 snaps a game he's he's gonna get tired at some point i
09:09think
09:09like usually you see a heavier rotation there so i do i don't think reducing his snaps a little bit
09:13is the worst thing in the world think of like a starting pitcher who's young right like you might
09:19protect jacob miseroski's innings so that he doesn't wear out by the end of the season i kind
09:25of look at david bailey a little bit like that they're playing him a lot so maybe will get some
09:29david bailey snaps now oh size coming back so does will like i'm very interested because glenn put it
09:36out there the other day that will's gonna get more playing time i don't understand how because who's
09:41getting less playing time unless it's unless they do cut bailey back a little bit something like
09:46that yeah and and to go back to glenn and how the front office might be lining this up for
09:53next year
09:54yeah there's a lot of discourse cause amongst jets fans on i haven't noticed yeah about about the that
10:01aaron glenn might actually be getting a year three here yeah and and this is him and the front office
10:08telling us because they didn't weren't active at the trade deadline and because they want to give
10:11him a full chance this year it's like everyone needs to batten down the hatches a little bit glenn
10:16might be coming back for a year three yeah i understand that i i don't think we're there
10:20right where i think we're at is it's what november 13th today right no decision has to be made right
10:26now i've said this before i don't think glenn's getting fired during the season i think this
10:29the decision the final decision will come after the last game in buffalo
10:34well maybe something crazy happens between now and then to change my mind but i think that's
10:39what's gonna happen so if you look at it like that to me this is the analogy i'd make another
10:44baseball analogy for you i think we're in the sixth inning right now of aaron glenn's time and i think
10:50it's 10 nothing he's losing so in the sixth inning of a 10 nothing game you might turn it off
10:56you might
10:57leave your seats and go home think it's over but in reality there's a chance that that team that's
11:02losing by 10 runs can come back and we've seen take teams come back from 10 runs in the sixth
11:06inning so it's possible is it likely no but it's possible so i think from the jets perspective
11:13and like they they can't say it's over like you can't just say that's it's over we're like yeah i
11:19know i know what you saw in kansas city i know they're like he's not coming back don't worry about
11:23that they always iron glenn they just he should finish the season and can he pull off the miracle
11:30come back down 10 runs in the sixth inning but i don't think not trading everyone was like oh my
11:36god that's it he's definitely coming back next year the jets are in a different place right now
11:40than they were last year um when they traded quinnon and sauce they have a lot of draft capital
11:45because of those trades they don't need much more draft capital right like they they need players
11:50and i think holding on to everyone except will mcdonald made a lot of sense will mcdonald's the
11:55only one that's a little bit of a fly in the ointment in this thing and to me holding on
11:59to
11:59will mcdonald alan clearly does not like will mcdonald as a player that much i'm not saying
12:04you know so it's not it's not about 2027 that are glenn to be right like i right so i
12:10don't know why
12:11everyone is so has been so crazy this week that oh my god he's coming back i know willie cologne
12:17said what he said and that's going to trigger it but i love willie but willie doesn't work for the
12:22team bart does willie doesn't work for the team so i don't think willie was told by anyone oh he's
12:27coming back i don't i don't think anyone's made that decision right like i i think why they don't
12:32have to make that decision right now so they have they are they you know if woody's still kicking
12:36it around he still has eight more games to kick it around with and and i think if we're looking
12:42forward to cause because the way glenn and muji have operated it feels very much like a shared
12:48leadership it is yeah from them yeah if you're looking at this offseason it's you could argue it is
12:54one of the most important offseasons in jets history of this franchise right i know and you
12:58laugh at that because it's like that every year every year but i think you would even agree at this
13:04point with three first round picks again it's back-to-back years they're gonna have probably
13:08close to 100 million depending on some cuts in the cap space this offseason and there is potential that
13:14we mentioned so many times on this podcast on the offensive side of the ball
13:20where does that power dynamic shift if it is going to be aaron glenn getting cut at the end
13:25this year and they what what happens to darren muji in all this because i think that's something i
13:30think a lot of jets fans have not talked enough about is is that is that is he safe and
13:34is he going
13:35to be the one making most of these decisions in the offseason i believe he's safe ryan i do i
13:40think
13:40when you're evaluating muji where i'm at at least is i've seen enough that i want to see some more
13:48right i'm not convinced he's the guy by any means but i've seen enough like he's made a lot of
13:54smart
13:55moves that i'm willing i think i want to see what he can do with those picks i want to
14:00see what he can
14:01do with that cap space i want to see what he can do if he's making a head coaching hire
14:05would i also
14:06believe woody johnson is not going to want to go down the road of hiring a gm and a head
14:10coach again and
14:11does he have to get mike tannenbaum involved does he have to hire a search firm i don't think he
14:17wants
14:17to do that if he just fires aaron glenn he can say to darren muji you do the coaching search
14:23okay
14:24you bring me three candidates or whatever whatever number you want to pick for second interviews i'll
14:29be in on the second interviews you know you can have whoever you want help you with the first
14:34interview with robbie payton with rick spielman whoever you want you but you narrow the list down
14:40and then bring it to me that gives darren muji some job security right like i i know that's not
14:46the best reason to keep him right but if i'm sitting here evaluating objectively there's no way woody
14:52johnson wants to do this the way he did it two years ago or the way he did it in
14:562015 this this is
14:58going to be similar similar to 2021 when joey dog was hired robert sala and and from the woody part
15:05of
15:05this all right he invested a lot of money in aaron glenn right you had talked about how expensive
15:11this contract yeah it's going to be a big check to cut yeah that's also i think another reason why
15:15jets fans are like he might not be willing to admit that mistake and eat that kind of money
15:20yeah i understand that i don't think woody johnson's ever been cheap when it comes to his football team
15:27right he's spent you've seen him spend money uh does he do some things in the margins like cutting the
15:33food budget which i know has been discussed lately yes there's that kind of stuff but um
15:40how much money is woody johnson losing when his stadium is half empty for half the season
15:47um how much money is he losing you know when i go to i go to dick's sporting goods and
15:56the front of
15:56the store is all giant stuff and you have to search to find a and the jet stuff's on clearance
16:02it's not
16:03going for actual market yeah uh how much does it bother woody johnson that the press office of the
16:10governor of new york makes a jets joke the other night did you see that one yeah i mean so
16:16yes it's
16:18going to be a big check for woody to cut but i think there's other areas where woody's losing money
16:26that a new coach if he gets it if the hire is one that excites fans a new quarterback
16:36there could be a lot of excitement going into 2027 there could be a lot of ticket sales there
16:40could be a lot of jersey sales he might be making some of that money back that he's spending on
16:45aaron
16:46glenn i mean i just i don't think woody will will not fire him because of the money and i
16:52get the
16:52concern i get the concern completely i think last year it was definitely a factor right but i think
16:57this year i think he you know if he decides he's seen enough he'll move on because that's three years
17:01he has to eat going for the rest of this contract right glenn signed a five-year deal yeah five
17:05-year
17:05contract right it'll be about 30 probably he gets about 12 years 36 million dollars in that area maybe
17:10a little bit more and i think you could if you're woody johnson you can take a look across the
17:14street
17:14and how the giants have just rejuvenated their entire franchise just by the excitement of
17:19a head coach hire that people get excited about yeah and then harbaugh is also delivered in the
17:24first right now last night notwithstanding but for most of the season there's just not a lot of
17:29john harbaugh's out there um well mike tomlin's out there i know i just don't see mike tomlin coming
17:34here i hear you and samini and everyone else saying you just don't see tomlin happening so i saw
17:39something interesting yesterday my guys evan and tiki over there on the fan and evan said he keeps he's he
17:46had hope after tomlin said the other day you know he hasn't he'll cross that bridge and comes to it
17:51or whatever and tiki kept saying he's not coming here and then tiki when he was kind of pressed on
17:56says well i'm speaking from ron day ron day barber played for tomlin in tampa bay so i think tiki
18:04knows
18:04what he's talking about when he says it i just i can't see it right like i think he's gonna
18:09have for
18:09one if he wants i for one i don't know if he's gonna want to coach he seems to be
18:13pretty good at the
18:13tv thing the tv thing is a nice gig for these coaches it's a lot less work and the money's
18:18not
18:18that much different i'm sure he's getting paid a lot of money by mbc and then if he does want
18:24to
18:24coach i think there's going to be a line at his door um yes the jets could pay more money
18:30than
18:30everyone else i guess but i i'd be shocked if that happened and i think um if he has his
18:38pick he's not
18:38going to pick the jets so i think that's where like and i know that we're going a lot of
18:44offseason
18:45talk but like this should be you would think a desirable job just because of the potential on
18:49that offensive side of the ball you get to pick your own quarterback in this upcoming draft you have
18:53100 million to spend yeah but what is your sense do you think that this is actually a desirable job
18:59to be a jets head coach i think i think yes there's 32 of them right well besides that
19:06but right you gotta look at who mike tomlin is right he's a guy who coached 18 years as a
19:11head
19:11coach he knows everyone in the league these guys when you're a head coach now you're in meetings
19:16that you're never in as assistant coach when i mean meetings you're meetings with owners
19:20and gms you're at these you know the league meetings every year you get to know everybody
19:28the johnsons don't have like the cachet as it owners as like the mara like john mara right what
19:38harbaugh kind of said repeatedly like he wanted to coach the giants like the giants excited him it was
19:44the giants he got excited about working with john mara i don't think that's going to happen for the
19:49jets and tomlin has a history if tampa bay moves on from top bowls he has a history in tampa
19:55bay
19:56the washington owner he seems to have a good reputation as a young up-and-coming owner
20:01you have jayden daniels there is if they move on from dan quinn like we don't know what the
20:06openings are going to be so it's tough to say right now comparing the jets to other things but
20:10i do think he's if he wants to coach he's going to have options i just don't know who's going
20:16to
20:16whisper in his ear that you really yeah that's the place you want to go you want to work for
20:20woody johnson um maybe it happens but i i'm just skeptical because it's uh it's funny how like
20:29this season doesn't mean they can't get a good head coach though right i want to be clear i can't
20:32get a good head coach i just think if you're looking at the bell of the ball who can pick
20:38anyone he wants to dance with he's not picking the jets that's tough that's tough to hear but also at
20:45the same time like you said it's got to be the right coach for this this job they got to
20:50be able
20:50to handle the you guys in the media they got to be able to handle the criticism they got to
20:53be able
20:54to handle woody johnson as an owner and and sharing a stadium with the giants all of it comes with
20:59it
20:59it's it's man man man man but we still have to stay right here hit on is they have to
21:05deal with
21:06the baggage here and i i think that's something every coach comes here and underestimates because
21:11they're not part of it and i thought i'm going to have a better understanding of it 16 years of
21:16no playoffs i'm pushing it to 16. it it carries this weight here with the fan base and with the
21:26media that i saw iron rogers one time got frustrated with it he was like why are you talking about
21:31whatever it was at that point 14 years he's like i've been here for i played 12 games for this
21:36team
21:36whatever like you know and but it comes quick when the losing starts the talk of the drought starts
21:43and it weighs it weighs it weighs i i'd be very interested in sean mcdermott with that reason in
21:51mind ryan because he went to buffalo when they were in the same boat and like i get it i
21:58get it just
21:58like i get it but i just i have i know that's a very popular name and and it's going
22:04to be again
22:04this off season just because he has experience the jets might be you know scared from hiring
22:09another rookie head coach but i think in today's nfl you you have to also take into account where
22:16he came from and where a lot of his success came from josh allen is arguably the best player in
22:20the
22:21nfl i don't want to call him a josh allen merchant he got there though right he had tyrod taylor
22:27made
22:27the playoffs with tyrod taylor he did he did first year he ended the drought in buffalo buffalo's drought
22:32was longer than the jets right now i just don't love the idea of hiring sean mcdermott to break to
22:39be the to be the bridge to this next part of the franchise where you're going to be drafting your
22:44next franchise quarterback you hope and you want to develop him and put him in the right spot
22:47but didn't he do that in buffalo i mean josh allen was wasn't josh allen you could argue a lot
22:53of his
22:54talent development came from brian dayball and joe brady okay but who hired brian dayball and joe brady
23:00it was sean mcdermott no doubt he's got a who's he's not bringing those guys in right both those
23:05guys like what but who's to say he can't hire a good offensive coordinator that can develop the
23:09quarterback here i just think he's done it right like i think everything else is pretty much a
23:13projection yeah who you know tomlin didn't develop any quarterbacks no i know but tomlin also won a
23:19super bowl i'm like sean mcdermott he did yeah but that was a long time ago right but you want
23:25to
23:25talk about staying competitive every year and the crap that that tomlin put up with compared to
23:30mcdermott who arguably had the greatest they were in the playoffs or i mean i think if you went to
23:36pittsburgh and ask people about my time when like the steelers fans were grumpy about him losing the
23:40playoffs every year so look what his quarterback situation was the last five years of his of his
23:45career there in pittsburgh it was it was a horrendous version of ben roethlisberger he had to deal
23:50with the crap of antonio brown than no one had any idea and after that i compare that to sean
23:56mcdermott who you could say arguably had the worst collapse in playoff history and mind you i i'd be
24:01praying for an opportunity as a just fan to even be in the playoffs in that spot um but i
24:07just it it
24:07would rub me the wrong way if you go another defensive minded head coach cause but i understand
24:12that argument yeah i do i but i do i think i think for me in my mind this the
24:17scale right now
24:19is experience versus offense of mind right like i see the arguments for both like you see what these
24:28young offensive coaches have done with liam cohen and ben johnson uh kubiak even with the raiders
24:34yeah that's success this year you see how quickly they can turn things around now trevor lawrence and
24:40caleb williams have helped in jacksonville in chicago um but they didn't have success with other coaches
24:46so i understand that argument but i also do feel like there is something to be not learning on the
24:53job and every coach the jets have had here has been learning on the job other than adam gase um
24:58in
24:59recent years has been you know it's been their first time as a head coach so i see the size
25:05of
25:05both i don't know which one i fall on yet ryan i have two months to decide but i i
25:11think that's
25:12they bring them back between those two unless they bring them back they're not bringing them
25:17back just it's gonna take a miracle like i said he's down 10 nothing in the sixth inning line
25:23five and 21 is head coach of the new york jets two and seven to start this year i think
25:27there's some
25:28wins coming up here too cause if you really want to get into it because i think this is the
25:31next part
25:31of the discussion how this schedule plays out the rest this year after the buffalo game i i again
25:37there's no cupcakes in the nfl but the chargers are the jets but especially for the jets but the
25:43chargers are a very winnable game considering the state that they're in right now and the dolphins
25:49lost their starting quarterback to ir yeah and and i just wonder cause if he reels the cardinals are
25:55playing carson back it's it's there are three winnable games right there where i'm all of a sudden
26:00looking from a two-win team to a five-win team yeah does that affect at all any of this
26:05going down the
26:06line what have i said since the summer right how does it look how does it look yeah if you
26:11beat
26:12carson beck and kyle mccord and uh chargers team that's winless that doesn't doesn't really change
26:19my opinion right i don't think i don't think it's going to move the needle for woody johnson either
26:23you beat the bills on sunday okay now we're talking you beat the bills in sunday then you win those
26:30games and then you pick off the patriots or the vikings uh at the end of the season could just
26:35you
26:36know if they're playing everybody if they're healthy and they're playing for the playoffs
26:40now there's a discussion now you've now you've hit some home runs right in the seventh eighth and
26:45ninth inning and we're talking more but i think it it has to be that like you can't you know
26:50what
26:50you're the scenario you're letting out if they just beat these teams with third string quarterbacks
26:56what does that mean you know uh all right let's talk about this game cause um the the bills are
27:03seven and one uh that are coming to met life uh their fans love to travel do you expect this
27:09to be
27:09a loud buffalo bills crowd here at my life i saw something the other day that's the highest ticket
27:15price of the season which is insane so yeah i do expect it to be quite uh you know i
27:22think they're
27:22going to be singing shout after touchdowns right and i think it's going to be it's going to be a
27:27buffalo crowd i mean if the raiders traveled which is a team that's been down for a very long time
27:31what what are the bills going to do that you know a team that's winning a lot and i'm going
27:36to guess
27:36there's probably a lot of bills fans who live somewhere between new york city and buffalo that
27:41this is probably an easier trip for them than going to buffalo yeah and uh part of that's also going
27:46to
27:46affect the offensive line which we'll get into here in a second but i just want to make this note
27:51that joe brady and the bills are 4-0 on the road this year they have not lost on the
27:55road that was
27:55a very impressive win against the vikings in minnesota last week it is a short week for the
27:59bills i will say that coming to play the jets does that play a factor at all you think in
28:04this upcoming
28:04game i do think it plays a factor right um i had a coach one time tell me the worst
28:09scheduling thing
28:10in their mind was a road game on monday night followed by a road game road game yeah they said
28:16that's
28:17just such a horrendous turnaround for the team um now flying from buffalo to new york minnesota to
28:24buffalo and then new york minnesota is a decent trip but buffalo to new york is a it's a hop
28:29skip
28:29it a jump right it's not too bad but you're still not sleeping at home uh it still affects your
28:35schedule so i i do think it's a factor uh in this game i know we'll make our picks later
28:39whenever but
28:40um i i think i think you have to factor that in now let's talk about this jets offensive line
28:45they
28:46have given up 28 sacks this year uh five last week alone cause uh buffalo has the co-nfl sack
28:52leader and greg russo yeah can the jets keep geno upright in this upcoming matchup against this
28:58bills defensive front man russo is impressive right yeah watching just watching some bills games here
29:04like he seems to be unlocked by jim leonard like russo has always been a guy like he knew his
29:10name
29:10because he was a high draft pick and he'd have his moments but holy crap now he's he's a dude
29:15so
29:16uh i think that's going to be a great matchup to watch him and membu um i'm going to guess
29:23he's
29:23going to get a sack i think if they can limit the one you're happy yeah and uh kaz i
29:29don't know if
29:29you saw this stat gino leads the league in terms of pressure to sack conversion rate meaning the time
29:35that he is pressured he is converting those into sacks or taking sacks i should say he is leading
29:40the league amongst all quarterbacks in the nfl and this again and this and this goes to i think a
29:47lot of the deeper discussion about this jets offense right about hey there's a lot of potential
29:51gino's you know he's got to develop these younger players guys are getting open if you've seen that
29:56one as well where the jets have three of the leading uh yeah i saw that yeah separation amongst the
30:01nfl yeah so again if guys are getting open and the offensive line is giving you protection
30:07and there's just too much time happening and gino's still taking those sacks because he doesn't have
30:11the escapability that he might have had as a younger quarterback i guess that's where i would ask you
30:15about the evaluation of him this year is it the numbers may be lying or skewed for him he's such
30:23a
30:23tough evaluation let me ask you this question who who do you think right now at midseason is the team
30:28for the jets yeah oh that's a great question cause i would probably say it's between braylon allen and
30:37maybe membu i think gino's in the conversation you know i i i don't i really don't i mean compared
30:47to
30:48the quarterback play we've seen this is so much better right than than feels rogers came on late
30:54in that year played well late but he early he looked terrible horrible in 2020 and obviously
30:59before that you had zach wilson and tim boyle and everything else that would make a case for gino
31:06as team mvp there are two in team so team mvp is all relatively right last year a punt returner
31:13won it
31:13but he's a tough evaluation i do think his his immobility kills him with the sacks i also think
31:22he's not great against the blitz i don't have numbers in front of me so maybe there's numbers
31:27that will tell me i'm wrong but for me just watching it i thought they really heated him
31:32up last week in the second half in kansas city and i thought he looked rushed he just looked like
31:37he was
31:38kind of rushing through everything and um i did notice the jets don't lead the league in sacks but
31:46they lead the league in sacks yardage lost by sacks oh yeah he is it kind of it kind of
31:50looks
31:50like he's going backwards all the time and like you know now you you won't cut part of the
31:54conversation this week with josh allen is how hard he is to bring down how he's going to escape the
31:59pocket if they if they don't if they let him you don't have that with gino so i understand that's
32:04a
32:04ding on him i do think there's a lot of things gino's done well this season um he's a very
32:10very
32:10weird evaluation though ron because i'm always i've always felt like quarterbacks either hide
32:17your warts or they expose your warts but how they play yep gino not like that gino does both and
32:24it's a it's a he's it's been a strange season to watch uh in terms of where gino ranks versus
32:31the
32:31blitz uh there's some some key numbers here i'll start off with completion percentage is actually
32:35really good uh he's fifth in the nfl in completion percentage when he's blitzed as a quarterback
32:40uh only behind jared goff caleb williams brock purdy and joe burrow so that speaks to what you're
32:45saying of hey you know is he you would say an mvp of this team in terms of total qbr
32:50when he's uh
32:51blitzed he is currently 19th in the nfl amongst qualified quarterbacks uh out of 32 and then in
32:59terms of uh you know maybe sacks that he's taken as when he's blitzed right now uh gino and i
33:04just
33:05want to make sure i got this right he's third in the nfl uh with 28 sacks right behind justin
33:09herbert
33:09and deshaun hodson when they're blitzed yeah so completion percentage i feel like is he just
33:14a lot of times he's not throwing it when he's getting he's getting sacked so i don't know if
33:19that yeah he's to me i think you can pressure him i think he's just he's not great when he's
33:24under
33:24pressure and i don't think he's pulling the trigger nearly enough either too guys and i think
33:28that maybe that's something that's playing into i don't want to throw as many interceptions
33:32this year compared to years prior yeah i think i've said this before on here i um if you watch
33:38gino's
33:39media availabilities are not much there he doesn't say much he speaks a lot of cliches
33:43the one honest moment i feel like we saw this year was when samini asked him about the sacks last
33:48year
33:48he snapped like you haven't watched the film so like are the interceptions rather you know he said
33:54you haven't watched the film i clearly the interceptions that number bothered him in vegas
33:58last year that he led the league and that was kind of what everyone talked about um so yeah i
34:04think
34:04there's been a concerted effort not to throw interceptions this season and i think with the
34:07defense and how poorly it's played for the jets i think gino like there has to be a point here
34:13a
34:13breaking point where you have to say i have to cut it loose guys are open there are guys at
34:18times
34:18right he does he does it at times you see it like he but i think there's more i thought
34:23against the
34:23raiders against the raiders right that was the game i thought he i thought he was throwing it down
34:28field i thought he was cutting loose a little bit more the raiders defense is awful right and and it
34:34is there was opportunities yeah i think the chiefs defense just like i said i think they sped him up
34:38he had the one deep shot to adenai that was he clearly could design shot play on the first play
34:43of the series that adenai dropped yep um he had another uh go route adenai down the sideline in the
34:50first half that he overthrew uh they tried to flee flicker yep um that was covered with a two-man
34:57route concept with isaiah williams and omar cooper don't really love that concept if i'm frank reich
35:03also i'm just begging him like did you see the kenyan sadiq deep over that he caught the like one
35:09of
35:09the few passes that or i think it was the only pass that he caught yeah yeah yeah that to
35:13me cause
35:14feels like something like when i watch isaiah likely a lot of stuff's underneath but then he can do things
35:19where you get him the ball in space over the middle and he can take it for the house sadiq
35:24has not
35:24been used like that at all this year and it just feels like that's part of the offense where gino
35:30and frank can get more to the middle of the field that way i also would argue that they haven't
35:37used
35:37sadiq enough in the red zone you know when you're looking at this red zone stuff like to me i
35:43mean i've
35:43been a broken record on this tight ends tight ends tight ends tight like they are the greatest weapon in
35:48the red zone that you've got because they end up in mismatches there's a lot there's linebackers on the
35:53field you know you're in short yardage situations a lot of times they load up on defensive linemen
36:00there aren't dbs on the field um extra dbs i should say that that and the linebacker ends up and
36:05i just don't understand like you've got this freako uh tight end use them use them and you know like
36:12you're saying use them in the red zone you know oh there's one football like uh that's such a you
36:18know
36:18what that's such a cliche as well well i also i watch every game and you watch i mean travis
36:23kelsey's
36:24catching the ball behind the line of scrimmage and getting touchdowns like they use the other teams
36:28know how to use their personnel and that's where it comes down to coaching to the potential that you
36:33have there use the potential and put them in the right spots it's unfortunately like how this coaching
36:38staff has just not been able to capitalize on that and i will say this too cousin to your point
36:43mason taylor had two rainy moss like catches against the dolphins and now it's been nothing
36:49sippo haven't targeted him in the red zone haven't you it's like you can't forget about things like
36:55that and i know that's like like like you said there's only one ball to go around it's like okay
36:58but if something works to what you're saying why not keep going back to that well it's so weird ryan
37:05right like sadiq has the big game in detroit i believe he had zero catches the next week in chicago
37:10oh
37:10yeah cooper has two big games then he had zero catches against the raiders 80 has a huge game
37:17he has zero catches they threw him seven times seven times he dropped a couple this isn't fully
37:23accurate but it's a weird thing where you have these guys having these monster games and then the
37:28following week like goose eggs like it's it's so strange it is it really is yeah so i'll give you
37:36another one to ride this is defensive just a thought i had watching did you watch the
37:40bills vikings game i did andrew van ginkel is a guy that like that's the guy the jets need to
37:49find
37:49in free agency right like i get it you you can't get uh tj watt in free agency right like
37:58you're not
37:59going to get impact players like in free agency but like van ginkel's like a like he all that guy
38:04does
38:04is make plays every time i watch him play football he's making a play he's running the ball he's
38:09knocking the ball out of the goal line they over smacking the shit out of james cook on a hit
38:12i
38:13mean he just laid people out man but remember he had the interception on rogers in london a few
38:17years ago like when he was at the dolphins he tortured the jets all the time like that's the
38:22guy like if i'm mousier and i'm like go find me that who who is this guy that's available in
38:28free
38:28agency like the jets have they never find a player like that like maybe in the draft like bailey
38:35obviously is an impact player but he's the number two pick in the draft i'm talking about
38:39find me a guy in free agency absolutely that that can impact the game we've been ginkle like that
38:44that's it's hard to like articulate what you're looking for that's what i'm looking for like holy
38:49crap that guy just makes plays it's a fair i was thinking about watching monday it's a fair to
38:53critique guys and let's talk about this jets defense going up against this bills rushing attack
38:59um the bills love running the footballer james cook we know how good josh allen is on the ground
39:04scrambling as well or even on design runs and the jets offense they are the one of the bottom 10
39:09in the run defense right now uh the past defense is top five but the rush defense is bottom 10
39:15is that really gonna be the formula you think for buffalo just keep grounding and pounding the ball
39:20against this jets defense well last week andy re didn't do it the first half and i don't understand
39:24why right and then i think someone whispered in his ear and at halftime like hey kenneth walker might
39:30be able to run through this defense and they came out and plowed so yeah i think they haven't been
39:36shy about running james cook he's up there and carries right like in the league so i i think you're
39:41gonna go heavy on him uh josh you'll see josh allen running i yeah i i think this jets defense
39:49is gonna
39:49have a tough time slowing the bills offense down for sure we've seen the players like minka fitzpatrick
39:54and demario davis guys are who you want to be leaders on this team just have not been living up
39:59to
39:59snuff on the play part maybe they're still doing the leadership part i'm sure they are they're being
40:03very vocal but you need those guys to come through especially in a matchup like this where they need
40:07to have like an andrew van ginkle type play where it's like oh okay like that was nice and josh
40:13allen turns the ball over like there's no does yeah the jets should get an interception this week right
40:18should could would i mean they only have one this year we saw jordan whitehead intercept them three
40:23times one year right so he's thrown interceptions against the jets he's thrown i think six this year
40:28he throws the ball up we saw it against minnesota he threw that one in the end zone
40:31murphy made a nice play on um my biggest concern defensively right now right is the interior
40:37defensive line and in fairness to them they are banged up no javondre sweat no david on yamada
40:43harrison phillips is playing on one leg which you could argue maybe he shouldn't be playing right now
40:47you've got daryl jackson who wasn't supposed to have this big a role he's got a huge role and then
40:52you're playing like peyton page and and juan briggs is taking a huge step back because he's
40:58playing a lot right like that's why he's taking a step back he's playing too much um so
41:05that's part is like they could they could be in trouble now the bills have had injuries on the
41:10offensive line they didn't have their right guard right tackle last week deon dawkins who you know
41:14right tackle really good so um do they get them back i don't know or was it left tackle
41:19his left tackle deon dawkins yeah he was out last week yeah left tackle left guard right
41:24anderson's left guard yeah i'm said right but yeah um they were out last week they've been
41:29limited in practice this week so i'm not sure i haven't seen yet if joe brady is giving his
41:34press conference or giving an update on availability bill's offense they're averaging 32 points per game
41:40386 yards per game uh that's the nfl best uh and then in terms of the jets like i said
41:45128 yards
41:46on the ground they're allowing for rushing it's 26th in the nfl uh kenneth walker went for 102 and
41:52let's go to over-unders because kaz was not pretty last week again for his over-unders kaz was one
41:57in
41:58three frankie was two and two and i was three and one last week putting us on this season i'm
42:03making
42:03money kaz is 13 and 22 frankie is 12 and 19 and now i am 21 and 14 plus seven
42:10units on the season
42:11let's do some over-unders i got a couple extras because there's a lot of players here kaz so let's
42:16start with geno smith i got him at 217 and a half pass yards what say you over i agree
42:25with you i think
42:25he's actually gonna have a decent day on the air in the air in terms of yardage with garrett wilson
42:30back at night mitchell omar cooper you got the full complement of weapons here josh allen they have
42:36him at 235 and a half pass yards kaz what say you
42:42it's tough because i think they're gonna run the ball a lot i'll go under
42:50i'm gonna go under as well frankie had the over on that one by the way uh garrett wilson
42:5760 and a half receiving yards returning back from the concussion
43:02under there's only one football
43:05uh i'll go over just so i can try and you know widen oh yeah just yeah just rub it
43:11in yes james
43:12cook this is the big one now we said kenneth walker we thought there's the other one there's
43:17like 185 and a half or something it's 91 and a half rush yards for james cook that's what it
43:23was for
43:23walker last week walker was 90 and a half yeah i'll go over i will go over as well hammer
43:31that that's
43:32an easy over for the for this uh chet's defense breece hall 54 and a half rushing yards
43:42you go first right i'm gonna go over i think he's actually gonna break off one for like 30 yards
43:48and
43:48that'll be you know more than half of that i'll go over as well oh okay it's gonna be barely
43:56over
43:57though okay um and then just real quick before we do predictions frankie did give his predictions
44:05here he said quote we gave up 28 to miami 38 to the raiders 35 to kansas city chiefs isn't
44:13gonna go
44:13on for a long time right no it's not now it'll be 40 oh and david bailey gets a sack
44:20in this game
44:20100 he's got bills 40 jets 17 that's a blowout guys that's a blowout i'll i'll take it away my
44:29friend so i do not think it's going to be a blowout right i think this is going to be
44:35a close football
44:35game i think the jets are going to be on the cusp of winning this game uh i think they
44:42are going to be
44:42leading in the second half and leading in the second half leading in the second half how i think
44:50your hopes are going to be up the bills fans in the stadium are going to be upset and then
44:57the bills
44:57will find a way josh allen will find a way bills 33 jets 30 wow that's a close one guys
45:07see now i agree with you i think it's going to be a close game in the first half but
45:10i think in the
45:11second half yeah is again we'll see like a repeat i think there's something to the short week i'd
45:17really do yeah i could see it and i could especially the travel aspect of it yeah i think like
45:22you what
45:23you're highlighting too the fact the jets have the full complement of weapons do not be shocked if
45:26they run the ball well against his bills defense defense isn't great they've got rousseau's playing
45:31great you know but they're they're not great overall i think the jets will put some points up in the
45:35first half but then i think again the second half the bills are going to say why aren't we feeding
45:39the
45:39ball to james cook a bunch let's do that and i think that's where he takes off i have the
45:44the bills
45:45winning this one you got 33 30 i'll go bills 35 jets 24 i think they win by double digits
45:55still
45:55okay so they cover they cover that's a show cause um thank you i appreciate you hopping on here even
46:03though some other people want to go and run off to you know some people are going to ruba you
46:07know
46:07some of us are still working right can i give a quick shout out to a jets fan i met
46:11yeah so i i
46:13it's a little too much information here i'm an old guy right here i had to get a colonoscopy yesterday
46:19it's not pleasant you've had back to back weeks with the dmv and the colonoscopy it's been a rough
46:26rough november for all for your old friend cause here um but as i was getting ready the anesthesiologist
46:33dr sued big jets fan rye was very concerned about the offensive line uh very concerned about
46:40aaron glenn i'm laying on the i'm laying on the hospital bed in my gown getting ready for the
46:48for my procedure as i'm going under all i'm hearing about is complaints about jarvis brownlee and the
46:55jets offensive line and i'm you know you have thoughts when you're in a hospital bed of this might
47:01be it right this might be it the last words i'm going to hear is you can't escape the jets
47:07you can't escape them anesthesiology you can't even escape them be a fitting end for my life
47:13if those are the last things i hear is about the jets offensive line and jarvis brownlee but
47:17the jets killed carl the jets killed cause if you've seen that episode yes so jets fans are everywhere
47:25and i you know i appreciate dr sue taking care of me i came through it okay i'm all right
47:30good jarvis brownlee's still here too unbelievable cause that's an episode that's a great way to end
47:36it i appreciate you man we're looking forward to your coverage throughout the weekend
47:39and we'll catch up with you next week man
47:41i appreciate you guys
47:43you
47:44you
47:45you
47:45you