00:00It's like the eagles flying the guys straight to Mordor.
00:02Well, that couldn't have happened.
00:05Let's not get into that.
00:06Charlie, Morfydd, Jamie, congratulations on the show.
00:10Five Year Gap. We'll get to where your characters are up to at the moment,
00:13but Jamie, I'm going to start with you.
00:14You are no stranger to a big, exciting world.
00:18The Wizarding World, the Upside Down,
00:21but nothing as big, bold and beautiful as Middle Earth.
00:23How are you settling in?
00:26Okay.
00:30No, it's been amazing.
00:32You know, I can't lie.
00:33There are times where, of course, it's terrifying.
00:36You're stepping into something that is so loved
00:38and that so many people have their own visions of
00:43whether or not they've seen the films or not, you know?
00:45And with that, there does come a pressure,
00:47and we were talking about it sort of earlier,
00:49and you kind of feel that terror and then you have to let go of it.
00:54And I was fortunate enough to work with other team members outside of the Rings of Power world on another
01:01job,
01:01and I sort of asked them about it, asked them about this world and this job,
01:05and they were like, it's like a big family.
01:06And it felt like that when I got there. It really, really did.
01:09So I'm just, yeah, I'm super grateful.
01:12But of course there's terror. Of course there is.
01:14You guys must be kind of well into the swing of it now,
01:17because Lord of the Rings is so huge.
01:19And Jamie's right.
01:19There's so much kind of expectation, whether you've read the books,
01:22whether you've just watched the films of what characters are going to be like.
01:25You've obviously got to cram a lot into a TV show
01:29that in the books may have lasted thousands of years.
01:33So there's got to be some creative license there.
01:35Have you guys learned to sort of just embrace what you're doing
01:38and let go of the noise from the outside?
01:41Or is it kind of a conversation you're always in?
01:45I think it's up and down. There's a bit of everything.
01:47I think particularly with our characters, well, with Gladwell particularly,
01:51he wrote so many different ideas of her.
01:53He kind of kept coming back and like trying to decide where she,
01:56who she was and where she was from.
01:57So kind of absorb all of that.
01:59And then you have to think, no, this is the journey I'm going on.
02:03Yeah.
02:04Yeah.
02:04The same thing, like there was something as simple as this season, right?
02:08Sauron starts the season not knowing how to make the one ring.
02:12And at first I was like, he should know how to make the one ring.
02:16Like that is like, but then after chatting to the showrunners about it
02:21and really thinking about it, I think it's much more interesting
02:23that he has somewhere to go.
02:25Simple as the thing, it gives him an arc over the season.
02:28So it is a give and take between like, you have to,
02:32everything is all there in the books, at least with Sauron.
02:34But you, there are changes that, or certain like things,
02:38the way the things need to be adapted to help it suit the medium of TV.
02:44And I think I felt incredibly lucky with the carrot, with Sauron,
02:49to play the arc really, I think really closely to what is in this time period.
02:54Because it is scant, the description of some of the things,
02:58but he's described kind of in a lot of detail.
03:01At the end of the day, if he knew how to do everything straight away,
03:03he would have just taken over Middle-earth.
03:04Exactly.
03:05It has to be like some...
03:06It's like the eagles flying the guys straight to Mordor.
03:08Well, that couldn't have happened.
03:10Let's not get into that, Christ.
03:13Don't start the nerds up, Mordor.
03:16It's great to see you guys, like, together.
03:19How has Colorborn and Silent kind of reintroduction into this story
03:23shaken things up?
03:25Because we've got a couple of jilted lovers over here.
03:29Then the real partner turns up.
03:32These guys have got this toxic thing going on.
03:36How has that kind of shook up the dynamic between everyone?
03:40Yeah.
03:40Well, I think Sauron is probably a little bit kind of like,
03:44well, we have a scene in the forest where we meet for the first time,
03:48and you're hiding in the bushes.
03:49Yes.
03:50But it's like, I think there's definitely a level of kind of ego
03:54that Sauron feels like he needs to perhaps overcompensate
03:58when he project, even if he doesn't realise that he's doing it.
04:02But he definitely is.
04:04And obviously then he goes on to, like, imprison and torture you.
04:07So there's probably, there's quite a lot of pent-up feeling there, I think.
04:12It's really complex because they have their own relationship.
04:15Like, they knew each other before this.
04:17She's further out of his control.
04:19Yeah.
04:20And I think it's very unpleasant for him.
04:22And for her, she has something to lose again,
04:24because she's been kind of risking it all.
04:26And then it's like, oh no, something I truly care about.
04:30Sauron?
04:31Sauron.
04:33Sauron, Mike, we all agree.
04:34That's a Sauron.
04:36Guys, I'm really loving the direction of the show.
04:38Really excited to see what happens for the rest of the series.
04:40Hopefully I'll catch up with you in 12 months' time.
04:42And we can talk some Silmarillion bollocks.
04:44They'll like that online, won't they?
04:46Cheers, guys.
