00:00It was amazing and I have to thank him publicly and I want to thank him publicly and I've thanked
00:06him in private as well for reintroducing me to the feeling of something that is so deeply impactful and childlike
00:19for me.
00:30Hi, I'm Alex from Enemy and today I'm joined by two Elven warriors and the Dark Lord himself. It's Charlie
00:36Vickers, Modwith Clark and Jamie Campbell-Bower. How are we doing?
00:39Hi, very well. Thank you.
00:40Brilliant. So, Rings of Power Season 3, what it seems like we have is evil incarnate and two long-lost
00:47lovers who haven't seen each other for literally thousands of years, which to me is TV's strangest love triangle ever.
00:56Yes.
00:57What do you think about that?
01:01I've thought about this love triangle, right? It is a love, I was going to say square, but that would
01:06require a fourth member.
01:07What is not a triangle, like a love line, a love line, and I am like a dot that just
01:13kind of runs around.
01:14Trying to rub it out.
01:15Yeah, yeah, try to scribble it, scribble it out.
01:19Yes.
01:20All jokes aside though, what was it like having a new member of the triumvirate for this season with Jamie?
01:24Awesome.
01:24So cool.
01:25And I mean, the elfiest of elves.
01:27Yeah.
01:28Just so wonderful.
01:29And it was like, honestly, the scenes, I have had, I've been lucky to have scene partners basically throughout the
01:37show.
01:37Yeah.
01:38Morveth was incredible.
01:39Charlie was incredible.
01:40And then the first half of this season, I'm just like chilling by myself.
01:44A couple of scenes with a few different people.
01:45And then I have a whole run of scenes with Jamie and it was just amazing.
01:49Nasty scenes.
01:50Wonderful.
01:51I couldn't do anything.
01:52I was just like, I was just like lying down.
01:53I couldn't mess with you.
01:55Changed up, yeah.
01:56Obviously we're NME, so let's talk a bit about music.
02:00Charlie, tell me about your primary school band, No Name Yet.
02:03Oh my gosh.
02:05What?
02:06We were unbelievable.
02:07Yeah.
02:07Hitchin' A Ride.
02:09The Green Day version.
02:12What else?
02:13You were drums, right?
02:14I was a drummer, but also lead singer.
02:16Oh wow.
02:17So like, I can't pull that microphone down.
02:20A bit Ringo Starr sort of on some of the Beatles songs.
02:22Yeah.
02:22Yeah.
02:23Yeah.
02:23So like, you know, it's quite cool when you sing and you're playing drums.
02:26And we played The Doors.
02:29Didn't you do the True Blood soundtrack?
02:32Yeah.
02:33Yeah.
02:34Oh yeah.
02:35Is it called I Wanna Do Bad Things To You?
02:37Yeah.
02:37Yeah.
02:37We played it in church.
02:39How old were you?
02:42I was like, I don't know, 14 or something.
02:45So it was secondary school, not primary school.
02:46Yeah.
02:47It was primary school, but it carried on through secondary school.
02:49We were together for a while.
02:51We did church every week or something.
02:53Yeah.
02:53And then we performed this song, which I didn't really think about it at the time,
02:57but the main lyrics are, I wanna do bad things to you in chapel.
03:01So, not in town.
03:04That's not part of the song.
03:06That's where we sung it.
03:08Another music question.
03:09Speaking of bands, Jamie, we haven't had any new music from you for a little while.
03:14Since March.
03:15Yeah, six months or so, yeah.
03:16But you did appear on stage with Biffy Clyro.
03:18I did.
03:19At Finsbury Park to perform their song, Machines.
03:22I did.
03:22How did that come about?
03:23So, oh Lord.
03:26So, I used to play in a band called Counterfeit and I've been a huge fan of Biffy for years
03:32and years and years.
03:33In fact, I think at one point it ended up as a fact on my IMDB page.
03:38I was a massive fan.
03:40That's been around for centuries.
03:44And so, I remember I met Simon at a party once and I think it was just after they released
03:50their album Ellipsis, I think is what it was called.
03:54And he sort of pointed at me.
03:56He was with his partner and he pointed at me.
03:58And I sort of like looked behind me and I was like...
04:00And he sort of came over and he was like, I just want to say like big fan of the
04:04album
04:04you just put out.
04:05And I was like, well, just stop right there.
04:07Wait a minute.
04:07I love you.
04:09And then we played a few festivals with them throughout Europe.
04:15And I, you know, they were always so nice to me and like invited me back to the dressing
04:19room.
04:20And I was always a bit of like a gibbering wreck, like probably dropping shit and stuff
04:23like that.
04:24And then I saw the band at the Rolling Stone Awards in January and gave them a massive
04:33hug as they walked up on stage.
04:34And then Simon emailed me like not too long after asking me if I wanted to come and do
04:39a guest spot.
04:40I don't think he'd mind me saying this.
04:42It took me, I was so floored by this email and terrified, bear in mind.
04:47It took me three months to reply to the email.
04:50Had he not found someone else?
04:51I know.
04:52I know.
04:53And bless him.
04:54When I did eventually reply, he went, would love it.
04:58Would love to have you there.
04:59I went to go see his other band Empire State Bastard when they were on tour with Sleep Token
05:03and Naomi, who plays bass for them, was filling in on this tour.
05:07So it was amazing.
05:08And I have to I have to thank him publicly and I want to thank him publicly.
05:14And I thanked him in private as well for for reintroducing me to the feeling of something
05:21that is so deeply impactful and childlike for me.
05:28Aww.
05:29And it's thanks to him that I will be playing a show next year.
05:34So it was just the fucking coolest thing ever.
05:38It's a solo show, right?
05:39It's a solo show, yeah.
05:40That's a lovely answer.
05:41Yeah.
05:43Your turn.
05:44What was the question?
05:45I haven't done it yet.
05:46Okay.
05:49Your turn, Marvin.
05:51You are extremely excitingly playing Cynthia Lennon in some of the Beatles films.
05:57Yes.
05:57It's extremely exciting.
05:58Where are you at with those right now?
06:00I'm having a wonderful time and I'm very pleased to be part of such an amazing thing.
06:04Yeah.
06:04An amazing cast.
06:06I thought you might not be able to say too much.
06:08But what about how have you been getting yourself into that headspace?
06:11Have you been listening to lots of the music?
06:13Have you been reading stuff from the 60s, things like that?
06:15Yeah.
06:16Well, listening to lots of the music, obviously, which is just, I mean, it's just such a nice
06:19job that you're like, I've got to go to work now.
06:23I mean, I've been reading her autobiographies and they're really fascinating.
06:28I mean, I'm obsessed with the idea of, I don't believe in necessarily great men of history.
06:34There's always people around them who are making things happen.
06:38Particularly with the Beatles, lots of women around them.
06:40Yeah.
06:41And so learning all about them and learning about kind of what it takes to allow someone to exhibit genius.
06:49So that's been so much fun.
06:51All of it has come to this.
06:57We have no choice but to act.
07:03Why are you doing all of this?
07:06What is an album that you always go back to?
07:08If you only pick one, why?
07:10It's 69 love songs for me.
07:13Yeah?
07:13Yeah.
07:14When did you first say that?
07:14Because there's 69 of them.
07:15There's a lot.
07:16Oh no, my friend Jack introduced me to them.
07:18And it was like, do you know when you find a band that you're like, they've made everything make sense
07:24to me.
07:25Yeah.
07:25And I think for the last 15 years, I've continued to like go back to them to like understand parts
07:31of myself.
07:32And also I just, my mum has synesthesia.
07:34Oh wow.
07:35So does Steven Merritt.
07:36And that's why he's got such interesting percussion.
07:38And we actually can go to his gigs and my mum can enjoy it.
07:40Oh, amazing.
07:41Yeah.
07:41Silent Alarm, block part.
07:43Oh, right.
07:43That's a good one.
07:44Yeah.
07:45I think it's just, that was just like a defining album for me in like my adolescence.
07:50I think when I started to, you know, I just remember going to see them in Melbourne.
07:55And so just being amazed that like such a cool band would come and, you know, come to Melbourne.
08:01One of the biggest cities in the world.
08:02Yeah.
08:02Yeah.
08:03Well, I know what you mean.
08:05Yeah.
08:05But it was, it was, yeah.
08:07That's one of my favourite albums.
08:09Okay.
08:09Great.
08:14Yeah.
08:15It was like, again, you know, I remember, I must have been like 15 and it's when, you know,
08:20you're like discovering literature kind of for yourself.
08:23And I was reading like Kerouac and Ginsburg and listening to, listening to Dylan being like,
08:29this is what I want is to like just travel around America and, you know, be a sort of folklore
08:36object.
08:38And, and, and, and, you know, and I find Dylan fascinating.
08:41I find all the stories that surround him so interesting.
08:44And, and then of course there's like memories of like driving to France and like my mates,
08:48like Peugeot 206, listening to that and the harmonica comes on and the fucking speakers
08:54are so shit that the, the, the, the harmonica is piercing to say the least.
08:59Um, but yeah, I think it's just, it's the story that surrounds him.
09:03And that was always something I was just like, yeah, that's a bit of me that.
09:07Yeah.
09:07Love it.
09:08Well, thanks so much.
09:09That's been an absolute pleasure to hear about that and the new season and your albums.
09:12But yeah.
09:12Thanks guys.
