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00:10Walaan manong ebidensyang galing mismo sa gobyerno ng China
00:14ang milyong-milyong pisong natanggap ng kumpanya kung saan presidente ang second gentleman.
00:21Pero sabi ng ilang senador, wag mo mayari ng Chinese government
00:25ang ilang kumpanyang nagpadala ng pera.
00:28Nakatutok si Joseph Moro.
00:33In dinistansya ng depensa, sina Vice President Sara Duterte at asawang Atty. Man Scarpio
00:39sa mga transaksyon ng mga korporasyon na ilan sa mga laman ng report ng Anti-Mono Laundering Council o AMLAC.
00:45Sa cross-examination kay AMLAC Executive Director Ronel Bonaventura,
00:49sinabi ng depensa, hindi ibig sabihin na sa mag-asawang Duterte pumasok ang pera.
00:54A corporation is a separate juridical personality from that of a natural person
00:59who may or may not be a stockholder of that corporation.
01:02Yes, Your Honor.
01:02Does the AMLC have any record of how much of these transactions by Cali 88 Foods Corporation
01:10redounded to the benefit of VP Sara and attorney months?
01:15Redounded to the benefit, Your Honor?
01:18There's none.
01:19There's none.
01:19Sa record ng AMLAC, may tinatayang 4.4 billion pesos na naglabas masok na pera sa mag-asawa simula taong
01:262007 hanggang 2025.
01:28Meron ding lampas 5.3 billion pesos na covered at suspicious transactions sa labing limang mga kumpanya
01:35na iniuugnay sa mag-asawa.
01:37Isa dito ang Cali 88 Foods Corporation na tumanggap umuno ng tinatayang 319 million pesos mula sa China at Hong
01:45Kong.
01:45Naka-deklara rin sa 2025 Salen ang visa ang Cali 88.
01:50Pero sabi ng depensa, wala raw ebidensya na galing mismo sa gobyerno ng China ang pera.
01:55No records of AMLC show that China as a country funneled funds to Cali 88, correct?
02:03As far as I recall and based on the record, there is no showing your honor.
02:07Ipinunto naman ng ilang senator judge na state-owned o pagmamayari ng gobyerno ng China
02:12ang ilan sa mga kumpanya.
02:13Xinjiang Fruit Industry Group, it's a Chinese state-owned enterprise.
02:20It advances the interests of the Chinese Communist Party.
02:24Sa mismong corporate governance structure ng Xinjiang Fruit,
02:28may institutional Chinese Communist Party organization na naka-embed.
02:33It has its own Chinese Communist Party Committee, Party Committee Organization Department,
02:40at 11 subordinate subcommittees o party branches.
02:45Tanong ni Sen. Judge Rafi Tulfo.
02:48Hindi pa kaduda-duda na karimian sa mga milyones na pondo na pumasok sa Cali 88
02:53ay galing sa mga bansang may critical na reputasyon sa money laundering,
02:58gaya halimbawa ng Russia, Kazakhstan, Tajikistan, South Africa.
03:03Your honor, apologize po. I cannot make a conclusion.
03:07Ayon sa depensa, hindi raw sapat na basehan ang mga suspicious transaction report
03:11para sabihin may iligal na transaksyon ng visa
03:14at ebidensya ng halaga ng pera na kasalukuyang hawak ng mag-asawa.
03:18The filing of STRs is a compliance measure
03:22and not a legal conclusion of illegal activity, correct?
03:27It's a requirement under the law, Your Honor.
03:29Yes, sir. We cannot determine illegality on the premise of just a report, Your Honor.
03:36It's therefore not a legal conclusion that there is money laundering, correct?
03:42Illegal conclusion that there is money laundering? Yes, Your Honor.
03:45Pero para sa ilang mga senador,
03:47Bilyong piso ang dumaan sa mga account nila.
03:50Can you say that with certainty?
03:53Based on our tabulation, Your Honor, there are billions, at least as indicated po.
04:01Ayon kay Presiding Officer Chise Scudero,
04:03kahit na pagsamasamahin ang halaga ng idineklarang sale ng visa mula 2022 hanggang 2025
04:09at ang sweldo ng visa mula taong 2007 hanggang 2025
04:13ay hindi rawaabot ang halaga ng mga ito sa nakitang halaga na mga transaksyon ng AMLOC.
04:18It totaled 336 million and change.
04:25Hindi pa rin umabot ng 424.
04:28What would explain this huge amount?
04:33Possibly ba yung in and out?
04:35Hindi ko po masagot.
04:36Hindi ko po nakita yung sasalan.
04:37Spread din po as reported to us po.
04:40So hindi niyo po kayang paliwanag.
04:42You cannot explain...
04:44Hindi ko po maipaliwanag.
04:45You cannot explain how it reached 424 million.
04:50Assuming the presumption of this representation is correct with respect to her sale.
04:57Hindi ko po maipaliwanag po.
04:59Joseph Morong, Nakatutok 24 Oras.
05:02Heel osega sa tam brywanag.
05:04Guess who ik jokot.
05:05Have a different week of this question.
05:07You cannot explain how it exists.
05:07Is it without line of mind is correct?
