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00:08Gracias, Prime Minister.
00:09Much has been said about you in Brussels,
00:12but we have not really heard that much from you
00:15in terms of who you really are,
00:17your perspectives, your views.
00:19You know, and it's not a secret,
00:20and I say this with all due respect,
00:21in Brussels there was a clear conversation
00:24about a Prime Minister
00:25that perhaps was going to break
00:27the European consensus around Ukraine
00:30that would play into the hands of Russia.
00:32You said at the time that was a parody,
00:35a simplification of your views,
00:36and it is clear you won an election with a landslide.
00:39When I look at the war, Ukraine-Russia,
00:41what is the assessment that you make,
00:43and what is the security assessment
00:45that you see from your perspective
00:46coming from Bulgaria?
00:47I believe that this war challenged,
00:50has challenged not only our security architecture,
00:54it challenged our industrial base,
00:58it challenged our unity,
01:00it challenged our capability,
01:02but most of all,
01:03the war in Ukraine challenged our critical thinking
01:08and realistic approach.
01:10It challenged most of all our ability
01:13to design feasible political objectives
01:18and to translate them into a sound military strategy
01:21and to define a desire,
01:25the desired end state,
01:27and to define the victory.
01:29Most of all,
01:31how to define the road towards this victory
01:34and all the circumstances we need
01:37to pave down to achieve peace,
01:41finally to achieve peace.
01:43This is the struggle very often inside of myself.
01:48talking about military and political analysis
01:52and approach to the war,
01:54to the conflict,
01:54to the overall global situation
01:57on the security landscape.
01:58I don't want to put words in your mouth,
02:00but what you're saying is the fact that
02:01you question that there is,
02:04well, no strategy to victory,
02:06saying victory and peace without a plan
02:07is not going to work.
02:08That meant that you were labeled pro-Russia?
02:11Is that what you're saying?
02:11It is typical and it is very sad
02:14that if you divert from the political mainstream,
02:18excuse me,
02:20you are labeled immediately being a pro-Russian.
02:23This is not the reality.
02:25And you say you're not.
02:25I don't care about supporting Russia.
02:30I care about realistic approach
02:32and to finally find the road to peace
02:36as soon as possible
02:37because this war of attrition
02:39is a strong challenge
02:42for the peace in global perspective.
02:46It is a growing risk.
02:48This war drains our social
02:51and economic systems almost every day.
02:54So we need to find the peace,
02:56the road to peace as soon as possible
02:58and we need to finally achieve
03:00a balance between military,
03:03economic and diplomatic instruments
03:06because I don't see the right balance yet.
03:09And our main priority should be to speak
03:11and to work for peace.
03:13You remember when President Trump took the office?
03:17He had immediately proposal.
03:20He offered Ukraine and Russia ceasefire immediately,
03:24sit down at the negotiation table
03:26and sign a peace.
03:30What was his word?
03:31His word was that
03:33there will be no better condition
03:36for peace in the future.
03:38And his assessment was that
03:41the situation will get worse.
03:45On the other side,
03:47we had another offer
03:48to continue fighting, of course.
03:50Who put the offer?
03:51Let's put it up here.
03:52European leadership.
03:53Okay, so you said
03:54the European leader said
03:54we'll continue the work.
03:55Absolutely.
03:56You remember this,
03:57they said we must continue fighting.
03:59Yes, I support this.
04:01We must deliver...
04:02Did he say we must continue fighting, though?
04:03We must deliver more
04:05and more weapons and money.
04:07So what is the result
04:08a year and a half later?
04:10I will tell you perhaps two things.
04:12I'm not Ursula von der Leyen.
04:14I think that is clear.
04:14Everyone can see it.
04:15I'm not...
04:16No, I'm not...
04:16But she would have said at the time,
04:18she didn't say stop fighting.
04:19She said weapons for Ukraine
04:21to equalize the field.
04:22Well, I'm not envisioning Ursula von der Leyen.
04:25I'm not envisioning any European leader,
04:28but that was a common accepted approach
04:30for that time.
04:32Now we see a result.
04:34Hundreds of thousands more victims.
04:40Devastation of the country.
04:42Do you know,
04:43I'm afraid about
04:44the latest Russian
04:48strategy
04:49because they have shifted
04:51their strategy.
04:52But is the answer
04:53saying we give you less
04:55because what the Europeans
04:56would say,
04:56the answer is not to say
04:57we cut military aid
04:59or equipment.
05:00It's the opposite.
05:01It is not enough
05:02because we don't have enough
05:03on stock already.
05:05We have delivered
05:06everything we had in stock
05:08and our defense industry
05:10needs time to produce it.
05:13And what is going on?
05:14That will be extremely heavy winter
05:16because now Ukraine
05:17cannot oppose enough,
05:20successfully enough,
05:21this intrusion of ballistic missiles
05:23and thousands of drones.
05:26They cannot counter these drones
05:28anymore with light arms
05:31and small men carried
05:37defense systems.
05:38So it is a huge challenge
05:40and if it continues like that,
05:44this will reflect
05:45from inside to outside,
05:47from the center of the country
05:49and industrial power
05:51back to the front line.
05:52So what is the path then?
05:54If you had it your way,
05:55then what is the way
05:55forward diplomatically?
05:57My way is to achieve
05:59this tiny balance,
06:01extremely needed balance again
06:03between military, economic
06:04and diplomatic instruments.
06:06We have not exhausted
06:07the power of diplomacy.
06:10We need to do
06:11and to speak more
06:12about diplomacy.
06:13What do you mean by that?
06:14Because over the weekend
06:15we saw the German foreign minister
06:16took a meeting
06:18with his Russian counterpart.
06:19In the end,
06:20I don't see any progress
06:21that came out of that.
06:22I do see that the Russian
06:23foreign minister played games
06:25and to some extent
06:27insulted his counterpart
06:28after the meeting
06:29and I don't see that
06:30move in the goalpost.
06:31So is this a question
06:32of the people
06:33who should conduct democracy
06:34or diplomacy
06:35are not the good ones?
06:36Other people should go?
06:38Who should go?
06:39I think some years ago
06:40my good friend,
06:42the prime minister of Belgium
06:43at that time,
06:44Xavier Battelle,
06:45stated this clearly.
06:47We must stop
06:49speaking about Russia.
06:50We must start
06:53talking with Russia.
06:55So we need to hear
06:56the concerns
06:58of both sides
06:59because
07:00at the final end,
07:02yes, of course,
07:03we need
07:03and we should support,
07:05continue supporting Ukraine.
07:07But the most important
07:09is to prepare
07:09the conditions
07:10for peace
07:12and we should know
07:13that there is a limit
07:14of just delivering
07:16weapons
07:17and supporting
07:18because
07:19the final
07:20peace setup
07:22will be done
07:22by diplomacy,
07:23not by delivering weapons.
07:25So our call is
07:27to listen more
07:28to each other,
07:29to open the lines
07:30of communication
07:31and the problem
07:32is that
07:33no one
07:34is raising
07:35the question
07:36about
07:37nuclear risk.
07:39Does it exist?
07:40Maybe not.
07:42I don't know.
07:43But this is
07:45a risk.
07:45All of us,
07:46we speak
07:47about conventional
07:48war fighting,
07:49support Ukraine
07:51conventionally.
07:52but we have been
07:54trying to achieve...
07:55Do you honestly think
07:55we die
07:56in nuclear destruction
07:57out of this war?
07:58You honestly think
07:59that's one of the possibilities
08:00that you have enough?
08:01I don't think
08:02but we always
08:04need to think
08:05about the worst
08:06case scenario.
08:07Are we prepared
08:08for this?
08:09Does anybody
08:10speak about
08:12risk assessment?
08:14Does it exist
08:15at all?
08:16Because we have been
08:16trying to achieve
08:17a conventional victory
08:18over the biggest
08:20nuclear power.
08:22without having
08:23capabilities
08:24to counter
08:24their
08:25supersonic weapons.
08:27There is
08:27a risk
08:28and we need
08:29to calculate
08:30at what extent
08:31and how
08:32is it possible
08:33at all.
08:34I don't believe
08:34in this
08:35but we should
08:36take this
08:38into account.
08:39We should not
08:39neglect this.
08:41How much
08:41can we press
08:42Russia
08:42without Russia
08:43reacting
08:44with something else?
08:45I was listening
08:46also to
08:46I don't want
08:47to repeat
08:49I'm not
08:50advocate of
08:51Putin
08:51and Lavrov
08:52at all.
08:54But he warned
08:56a month ago
08:57I guess
08:58that if
08:59there is a war
09:00between
09:01Europe
09:01and Russia
09:03this war
09:04will be
09:04totally different
09:06and very short.
09:08That was the warning.
09:09This is a threat.
09:10I don't accept
09:11this type of
09:12speaking
09:13but they speak
09:14So you condemn it.
09:15You condemn that statement.
09:16You want to listen to this.
09:17No, I just wonder
09:18when you hear that statement
09:19what would you say?
09:20You say I don't accept this.
09:21I say that
09:22You're condemning
09:23those statements.
09:24I say that
09:25there is
09:25a nuclear
09:26card
09:28and
09:28when Russia
09:30when Putin
09:30feels
09:32strong
09:33he doesn't
09:34speak about this.
09:35When Russia
09:36feels weak
09:36that happened
09:37in this war
09:38about some years ago
09:39they start
09:40playing
09:40again
09:41with the
09:42nuclear card.
09:44So
09:44just
09:45I'm
09:46reminding
09:46that
09:47we need
09:48to have
09:49this
09:49into account.
09:50We cannot
09:51close our eyes
09:52that
09:52there are
09:53nuclear weapons
09:54on our
09:55continent
09:57there are
09:58nuclear weapons
09:59in the
10:00arsenal of
10:01Russia
10:01and
10:02this
10:03is
10:04part
10:05of the
10:05game
10:06calculation
10:06and
10:07my
10:07appeal
10:08is that
10:08no one
10:09is speaking
10:10about this.
10:11No one
10:12is taking
10:15account
10:16of this
10:16risk.
10:17We have
10:17multiple
10:17analysts here
10:18who said
10:19they really
10:19believe
10:20to that
10:20extent
10:20it's a
10:21card that
10:21is played
10:22politically
10:22because the
10:23Russians
10:23think
10:24or seem
10:25to think
10:25weak leaders
10:26will get
10:27scared
10:27by it.
10:29You disagree.
10:30That's clear.
10:31Let's look
10:32at the
10:32eastern flank.
10:33There's
10:33a perception
10:34that the
10:35security picture
10:36for the
10:36eastern flank
10:37certainly
10:37for the
10:38Baltics
10:38and Poland
10:39has deteriorated
10:40over the
10:40past few
10:41months.
10:42We've also
10:42seen the
10:43drone
10:43violations of
10:45the airspace.
10:45What happened
10:46at the
10:46German
10:47airport
10:48Romania
10:48we've seen
10:49constant drone
10:50violations
10:51on and on
10:52and on
10:52is this
10:53now a
10:53time
10:53to rethink
10:54if this
10:55is
10:55hybrid
10:56warfare
10:57and I
10:57wonder
10:58if you
10:58use that
10:58word
10:58warfare
10:59yourself
10:59is this
11:00not a
11:01time
11:01for the
11:01Europeans
11:01to
11:02redefine
11:02what
11:03hybrid
11:04deterrence
11:04to this
11:05warfare
11:05should look
11:06like?
11:06You mentioned
11:07hybrid
11:07warfare
11:08with drones
11:08and other
11:10types
11:11of course
11:12it is
11:13extremely
11:13difficult
11:14to counter
11:15these drones
11:16why?
11:17It is
11:17extremely
11:18difficult
11:18to detect
11:19them
11:19they fly
11:20low
11:20they use
11:21non-metal
11:22materials
11:23it is
11:24extremely
11:24difficult
11:25to detect
11:25on the
11:26radars
11:27so if
11:28you apply
11:29anti-drone
11:30systems
11:30they need
11:32to be
11:32very
11:33congested
11:34on your
11:34boiler
11:34that means
11:35a lot
11:36a lot
11:38a huge
11:38number
11:39of such
11:39systems
11:40and their
11:41integration
11:42and this
11:42is a
11:42huge
11:43technical
11:44challenge
11:44to all
11:45of us
11:45and that's
11:46why my
11:47call is
11:47to think
11:48about this
11:49balance
11:49about
11:50different
11:51instruments
11:51of power
11:52and to
11:53design
11:54to formulate
11:55a feasible
11:56end state
11:57of this
11:58war
11:58because we
11:59have
11:59changed
12:01our
12:01desert
12:02end state
12:03about
12:04seven to
12:04eight times
12:05I don't
12:05remember
12:06even
12:06the formulation
12:07of
12:07these
12:08end states
12:09from the
12:10beginning
12:10of the
12:10war
12:10That
12:11position
12:11is still
12:12a minority
12:12in the
12:12European
12:13Council
12:13you say
12:14it's very
12:14different
12:14or very
12:15difficult
12:15to intercept
12:16the drones
12:17the constant
12:18violations
12:19that we're
12:19seeing
12:19repeatedly
12:19is it
12:20because
12:20the European
12:21and NATO
12:21leadership
12:22is weak
12:22or is it
12:23because they're
12:23not sending
12:23the right
12:24message
12:24if you
12:25escalate
12:25so can
12:25we
12:27so what
12:27is your
12:28proposal
12:28to send
12:29a very
12:30hard
12:30warning
12:32to Russia
12:33I agree
12:34okay
12:35what about
12:36escalation
12:36so you
12:37just accept
12:38they can
12:38do whatever
12:39they want
12:39they can
12:39put
12:40explosives
12:40on an
12:41airport
12:42what's the
12:42alternative
12:43no
12:44my
12:44alternative
12:45is to
12:46open the
12:47lines of
12:47communication
12:49to sit
12:50down
12:50and to
12:51discuss
12:51this is
12:52my
12:52proposal
12:52and
12:53sooner
12:54or later
12:55it will
12:56be achieved
12:57again it
12:58depends
12:59this is a
13:00war of
13:00attrition
13:00it reflects
13:02our economies
13:02it reflects
13:03the price
13:03of the
13:04fuel
13:04the price
13:04of the
13:05gas
13:06it reflects
13:07the shortage
13:08of fuel
13:09and gas
13:09in the
13:10European
13:11Union
13:11as well
13:12my
13:12question
13:12however
13:13on the
13:13money
13:13you will
13:14have to
13:14be in
13:14a
13:15consensus
13:15question
13:16both
13:17at
13:17NATO
13:18and
13:18at
13:18a
13:18European
13:19Union
13:19level
13:20when
13:20you
13:20get
13:21told
13:21at
13:21NATO
13:21you
13:21have
13:22to
13:22pay
13:225%
13:23you
13:23have
13:23to
13:23buy
13:24weapons
13:25that
13:25are
13:25still
13:25continue
13:26to
13:26be
13:26American
13:27at
13:27the
13:27same
13:27time
13:27we
13:27need
13:28to
13:28build
13:28our
13:28own
13:28European
13:29industry
13:30how
13:31do
13:31you
13:31go
13:31about
13:31this
13:32because
13:32what
13:32I
13:32see
13:33from
13:33the
13:33outside
13:34is
13:35you
13:36pay
13:36for
13:36American
13:37weapons
13:37while
13:37trying
13:38to
13:38build
13:38your
13:38industry
13:39while
13:39talking
13:39about
13:39made
13:40in
13:40Europe
13:40you
13:40praise
13:41your
13:41visit
13:41with
13:41Macron
13:41but
13:42to
13:42me
13:43these
13:43are
13:43two
13:43strategies
13:43that
13:44at
13:44some
13:44point
13:44it's
13:44difficult
13:44to
13:45keep
13:45them
13:45on
13:45one
13:46lane
13:46because
13:46they're
13:47quite
13:47contradictory
13:47so
13:48which
13:48one
13:48is
13:48it
13:48going
13:49to be
13:49a
13:49made
13:49in
13:49Europe
13:50preference
13:50or
13:50not
13:50the
13:51problem
13:51is
13:52that
13:52European
13:53defense
13:54industry
13:54is
13:54highly
13:55fragmented
13:55and
13:56of
13:57course
13:57we
13:57need
13:58to
13:58strengthen
13:58our
13:59defense
13:59industries
14:00safe
14:01instrument
14:01is
14:02extremely
14:02good
14:02instrument
14:03Bulgaria
14:03is
14:04very
14:04active
14:05participant
14:06in
14:06this
14:06would
14:07you
14:07want
14:07a round
14:07two
14:07there's
14:08been
14:08debate
14:08that
14:08maybe
14:09the
14:09first
14:09round
14:09was
14:09successful
14:10there
14:10could
14:10be
14:10a
14:10second
14:11one
14:11yes
14:11there
14:12could
14:12be
14:12and
14:12this
14:14is
14:14the
14:14right
14:14approach
14:15to
14:15strengthen
14:15our
14:16industrial
14:17base
14:17to
14:17work
14:17together
14:18to
14:19communicate
14:19to
14:20coordinate
14:20and
14:21this
14:21is
14:21the
14:21future
14:21for
14:25and
14:25in
14:26the
14:26future
14:26you
14:26have
14:26two
14:26weapons
14:27that
14:27ultimately
14:27do
14:28the
14:28same
14:28job
14:28one
14:29is
14:29European
14:29one
14:29is
14:30made
14:30in
14:30the
14:30US
14:30would
14:31you
14:31say
14:31of
14:32course
14:32we
14:32go
14:32for
14:32the
14:32European
14:33first
14:34we
14:34need
14:34a
14:34European
14:35preference
14:35yes
14:36of
14:36course
14:36this
14:36is
14:37the
14:37part
14:37of
14:38the
14:38European
14:38strategic
14:40autonomy
14:41concept
14:41and
14:42I
14:42fully
14:42agree
14:42that
14:43and
14:43we
14:43have
14:44been
14:44working
14:44for
14:44this
14:45we
14:46need
14:46to
14:46strengthen
14:47the
14:47European
14:48pillar
14:49of
14:49NATO
14:50because
14:55and
14:56we
14:56need
14:56to
14:56do
14:57it
14:57in
14:57a
14:57smart
14:58way
14:58we
14:59cannot
14:59exclude
14:59the
15:00United
15:00States
15:00because
15:01United
15:01States
15:01is
15:02a
15:02leader
15:03in
15:04defense
15:04technologies
15:05we
15:06need
15:06to
15:06cooperate
15:07but
15:08of
15:08course
15:08we
15:08need
15:08to
15:09protect
15:09our
15:10defense
15:10industries
15:11otherwise
15:11they
15:11will
15:12disappear
15:12and
15:13for
15:13made
15:13in
15:14Europe
15:14is
15:14it
15:15the
15:15right
15:15way
15:16to
15:16put
15:16this
15:16in
15:17writing
15:17do
15:17we
15:18need
15:18those
15:18percentages
15:19do
15:20we
15:20need
15:20that
15:20meaning
15:21Europe
15:21by
15:22law
15:22we
15:23need
15:23to
15:25our
15:26strategic
15:26dependencies
15:27on
15:27the
15:27US
15:28are
15:28you
15:28in
15:28favor
15:28of
15:29legislating
15:29in
15:29this
15:29way
15:29we
15:30cannot
15:30immediately
15:33guarantee
15:33our
15:34security
15:35by
15:35ourselves
15:36even
15:37talking
15:37about
15:38the
15:38nuclear
15:38shield
15:39we
15:39cannot
15:40go
15:40without
15:40the
15:41United
15:41States
15:41of
15:42America
15:42because
15:42they
15:42provide
15:43the
15:44essence
15:44of
15:45the
15:45core
15:45defense
15:46capabilities
15:47in
15:47NATO
15:47we
15:48should
15:48it
15:49is
15:49absolutely
15:50clear
15:50it
15:51will
15:51take
15:51time
15:52for
15:52us
15:52to
15:54recover
15:54to
15:55renovate
15:56our
15:56industries
15:57our
15:58industrial
15:58base
15:58our
15:59technology
16:00development
16:01should
16:01Ukraine
16:01be a
16:02core
16:02part
16:02of
16:02it
16:02we
16:03heard
16:03from
16:03the
16:04Ukrainians
16:04saying
16:04the
16:05Europeans
16:05will
16:05need
16:05us
16:05more
16:06than
16:06at
16:06this
16:06point
16:06we
16:06need
16:07them
16:07on
16:07the
16:07technology
16:07advancement
16:08should
16:08we
16:08get
16:08them
16:09in
16:09this
16:09context
16:09Ukraine
16:10has
16:11been
16:11already
16:12a
16:12part
16:12of
16:12this
16:12many
16:14European
16:15defense
16:15industries
16:16have
16:16already
16:17invested
16:18look
16:18at
16:18Rheinmetall
16:19look
16:19at
16:19other
16:20companies
16:20they
16:21have
16:21presence
16:25strong
16:25industrial
16:26sites
16:27and
16:27presence
16:27in
16:28Ukraine
16:28Ukraine
16:29has
16:30been
16:30sharing
16:31latest
16:32state
16:33of the
16:33art
16:33drone
16:34technologies
16:34they
16:35have
16:35developed
16:35through
16:36experimenting
16:37them
16:37every
16:38day
16:38on the
16:38front
16:39line
16:39so
16:39as
16:39an
16:40equal
16:40partner
16:40anyway
16:41the
16:41Ukrainians
16:41will
16:42say
16:42we
16:42will
16:42be
16:42joining
16:42the
16:43European
16:43Union
16:43so
16:43this
16:44debate
16:44at
16:44some
16:45point
16:46of
16:47course
16:48western
16:48Balkans
16:50Ukraine
16:51Moldova
16:51all of
16:52them
16:52they
16:53have
16:53place
16:54and
16:54their
16:54future
16:54is
16:55full
16:55integration
16:56into
16:56the
16:57European
16:57family
16:57this
16:58is
16:58obvious
16:58this
16:59is
16:59of
16:59course
16:59as
17:00a
17:00final
17:00question
17:01when
17:02we
17:02hear
17:02NATO
17:023.0
17:03the
17:04impression
17:04that
17:05I
17:05get
17:05nobody
17:06will
17:06say
17:07publicly
17:07with
17:08these
17:08words
17:08but
17:08ultimately
17:09it
17:09means
17:09that
17:09we
17:10are
17:11going
17:11to
17:11have
17:11to
17:11pay
17:12big
17:12time
17:12in
17:12NATO
17:13we
17:13are
17:13going
17:13to
17:14still
17:14have
17:14to
17:14pay
17:15those
17:16US
17:16weapons
17:16otherwise
17:17there
17:17will
17:17be
17:17retaliation
17:18for
17:18the
17:18administration
17:18but
17:25that
17:25means
17:25real
17:26defense
17:26will
17:27be
17:27us
17:27and
17:27ultimately
17:28all
17:28that
17:28will
17:28be
17:28left
17:29is
17:30the
17:30US
17:30nuclear
17:31umbrella
17:31that
17:32will
17:32protect
17:33the
17:33Europeans
17:34and
17:35still
17:35be
17:35there
17:35as
17:35a
17:36last
17:36resort
17:36in
17:37NATO
17:37that
17:37is
17:37essentially
17:38what
17:38NATO
17:383.0
17:39means
17:39for
17:39the
17:39Europeans
17:40is
17:40that
17:40how
17:41you
17:41see
17:41it
17:41too
17:41you
17:42say
17:42you're
17:42not
17:43politically
17:43correct
17:43you're
17:44not
17:44in
17:44the
17:44mainstream
17:44so
17:44I'm
17:45sure
17:45you
17:45can
17:45speak
17:45freely
17:46on
17:46this
17:46we
17:47when
17:47we
17:47speak
17:48about
17:48NATO
17:493.0
17:50and
17:51the
17:51defense
17:51capabilities
17:52of
17:53Europe
17:53we
17:54should
17:54put
17:54on
17:55the
17:55table
17:57economic
17:57part
17:58social
17:59part
17:59we
18:00should
18:00put
18:00tariffs
18:01on
18:01the
18:01table
18:02we
18:02should
18:03put
18:03European
18:04cars
18:05talking
18:05with
18:05our
18:06most
18:06important
18:07strategic
18:07ally
18:08the
18:08United
18:08States
18:08we
18:10should
18:10put
18:10because
18:11when
18:12we
18:12speak
18:13about
18:13defense
18:13capabilities
18:14it
18:14means
18:15technology
18:15and
18:16industrial
18:16development
18:17it
18:18should
18:18not
18:18go
18:19just
18:19for
18:19military
18:19equipment
18:20it
18:20should
18:20go
18:20for
18:21everything
18:21we
18:22cooperate
18:23with
18:23the
18:23United
18:23States
18:24so
18:24tariffs
18:25are
18:26part
18:26of
18:27this
18:27approach
18:27and
18:28Europe
18:28should
18:29put
18:29everything
18:30on
18:31the
18:31table
18:31your
18:32analysis
18:32of
18:32NATO
18:333.0
18:33I
18:33still
18:34didn't
18:34fully
18:34understand
18:35it
18:35because
18:35you
18:35said
18:35we
18:36need
18:36to
18:36put
18:36our
18:37economic
18:38relationship
18:38and
18:38even
18:38tariffs
18:39the
18:39only
18:39tariffs
18:39are
18:40seen
18:40are
18:40the
18:40Americans
18:41and
18:41European
18:41products
18:41so
18:42by
18:4315%
18:44they
18:44tripled
18:44and
18:45we
18:45pay
18:46more
18:46into
18:46NATO
18:46I'm
18:47just
18:47wondering
18:47from
18:48your
18:48military
18:49background
18:49when
18:49you
18:50look
18:50at
18:50this
18:50NATO
18:503.0
18:51and
18:51you
18:51say
18:51this
18:52is
18:52the
18:52plan
18:52for
18:52the
18:52next
18:5315
18:53years
18:53what
18:53does
18:54it
18:54look
18:54like
18:54do
18:55you
18:55have
18:55US
18:55troops
18:55station
18:56in
18:56Europe
18:56or
18:56you
18:57won't
18:58I
18:58think
18:58we
18:59need
19:08in
19:08one
19:08basket
19:08because
19:09everything
19:10is
19:10strongly
19:11connected
19:12we
19:12cannot
19:12separate
19:13defense
19:14industry
19:15from
19:16technology
19:17from
19:17science
19:18from
19:18human
19:19capital
19:19from
19:20industrial
19:21base
19:21and
19:22all
19:24the
19:24products
19:24with
19:25dual
19:25usage
19:26and
19:26they
19:26mix
19:26especially
19:27in
19:27AI
19:28and
19:28we
19:29are
19:29lagging
19:29behind
19:29here
19:30in
19:30Europe
19:30in
19:30AI
19:31we
19:32should
19:32cooperate
19:33more
19:34you
19:35know
19:35strongly
19:36with
19:36the
19:36United
19:37States
19:37about
19:39AI
19:39and
19:40we
19:41should
19:41go
19:41together
19:42as
19:42strategic
19:42allies
19:43and
19:43partners
19:43because
19:45there
19:45are
19:45some
19:46other
19:46movements
19:47around
19:47the
19:47world
19:47in
19:48this
19:48direction
19:48as
19:48well
19:49well
19:49Prime Minister
19:50thank you
19:50so much
19:51for your
19:51time
19:51you've
19:52been
19:52very
19:53generous
19:53with
19:53your
19:53time
19:53so
19:54thank
19:54you
19:54very
19:54much
19:54for
19:54joining
19:55us
19:55thanks