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A political dispute has erupted between the BJP and Congress over claims of internal dissent within the Election Commission of India. Speaking on To The Point, Congress spokesperson Adil Singh Boparai demanded the Chief Election Commissioner’s resignation and alleged that decisions involving statutory Form 6 were taken without proper authorisation. He termed the move an “act of fraud and forgery”. BJP spokesperson Radhika Khera rejected the claims as political posturing, saying administrative file notes and internal deliberations are routine. Separately, a 17-year-old girl was allegedly gang-raped at Delhi’s Astha Kunj Park after visiting Kalkaji Temple. Three men posing as policemen allegedly assaulted her male friend and took them to a secluded area. The DDA later announced tighter park security.
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00:00Good evening and welcome to The Poe and thank you very much for tuning in. I'm Pooja Shale.
00:04Instead of Preeti this evening, I'm going to bring you this special telecast and a debate on the story that
00:09everyone's been talking about.
00:11And that is the debate over ECI, its credibility, its responsibility and more.
00:16First, the headlines.
00:23Political showdown faking over Election Commission rift report.
00:27Rahul Gandhi claims the CEC rigged elections.
00:30Election body rejects the charge claims all SIR orders were unanimously approved by all ECs.
00:36But BJP also targets the Congress here, says Rahul Gandhi is simply jealous of Narendra Modi.
00:49Congress hits the streets meanwhile across the country, seeking resignation of the Chief Election Commissioner.
00:55Congress gheroused the EC office in several states.
00:58But Hutna protests, specially turning violent.
01:00Cops resorting to water cannons.
01:11In other news, and specially from Tamil Nadu,
01:13Tamil Nadu Chief Minister Vijay raining fire on the Dravid Dominator Karagam
01:16over the Veera money sex exploitation scandal.
01:19Says one man destroyed life of several children,
01:22but in the previous regime.
01:24Demands answers from former Chief Minister MK Staff.
01:32In the Delhi rape case, the survivor recounts the horror to the police,
01:36says the rape accused Asif brandished a gun.
01:39And on gunpoint, she was allegedly gang-raped by three men posing as police personnel.
01:44Say she was dragged to a dark spot of the park.
01:47And also adds that the accused threatened to kill her
01:50if she did not comply or reveal it to someone.
01:56Political storm intensifying over the court,
01:59permitting the U.S. mercenary Matthew Van Dyke
02:02to travel home outside the country for a month.
02:06Many are questioning if they'll actually return as well.
02:10Congress renews the surrender Modi attack at Prime Minister Modi.
02:13Pawan Khaira says Prime Minister compromised.
02:25Is it the election commissioner versus election commissioner controversy?
02:30Either way, it's escalated to a full-blown showdown.
02:33The Congress has intensified the attack
02:34on the Chief Election Commissioner, Gyanesh Kumar,
02:37even staging nationwide protests.
02:39Visuals on your screen.
02:40The Congress workers are demanding the resignation of the CEC.
02:43From the protest on the streets, like you see on your screens,
02:46there's also a petition in the Supreme Court.
02:48There could be a possible impeachment motion in the Parliament.
02:52And in both houses, Lok Sabha and Rajya Sabha.
02:54So as the allegations and counter-allegations intensify,
02:57the election commission finds itself under unprecedented political pressure.
03:01Here's a report first about what happened through the day
03:04over clearly the biggest story of the day.
03:09What began as a rift within the election commission
03:13has snowballed into a full-blown political war.
03:16After cracks within the election commission
03:18over the SIR exercise were exposed,
03:21the opposition is demanding the resignation
03:23of Chief Election Commissioner, Gyanesh Kumar.
03:27The Congress is alleging vote-chori by the BJP
03:30with the help of the CEC.
03:32The Congress workers staged protest in several states
03:56demanding Gyanesh Kumar's ouster.
03:58From Hyderabad to Kolkata to Patna, Chandigarh, Guwahati, Dehradun and Lucknow.
04:08Congress workers marched to state election offices,
04:12staged Dharna, burnt effigies of the CEC
04:16and clashed with police at several locations.
04:20In Patna and Chandigarh, police fired water cannons at Congress workers.
04:51As the election commission has come under a scanner,
04:53today the Punjab Congress is holding a vociferous protest
04:57against the election commission,
04:58especially the Chief Election Commissioner, Gyanesh Kumar.
05:01And here you can see the affigee of Gyanesh Kumar
05:05is also being burnt by the Congress workers.
05:07They want to march towards the election commission office in Chandigarh.
05:12Sources tell India today,
05:14the India bloc is set to move a fresh impeachment motion
05:17against CEC Gyanesh Kumar in both houses of Parliament.
05:22Please understand what these two gentlemen are saying.
05:25Earlier, Rahul Gandhi led the opposition's charge
05:27and launched a frontal attack on the CEC
05:30and Prime Minister Narendra Modi.
05:33He was chosen by Amit Shah.
05:38And now two election commissioners are saying
05:44that Mr. Gyanesh Kumar
05:48is responsible for the chaos,
05:51for the damage that has taken place to our voting system.
05:54From vote-chori
05:57comes kanun-chori.
06:00Because if the vote is stolen,
06:01the legal structure is gone.
06:06The BJP has countered the vote-chori charge.
06:09The party said Gyanesh Kumar deserves the padmabhushan
06:13for removing names of alleged Bangladeshi infiltrators
06:17from voter lists.
06:41The showdown comes after Indian Express reported
06:44that election commissioners Subbir Singh Sandhu
06:47and Vivek Joshi objected at least 14 times
06:51over 10 months
06:52to decisions and orders
06:55related to the SIR process.
06:58A petition has now been filed in the Supreme Court
07:01against CEC Gyanesh Kumar
07:04seeking the declaration of all SIR decisions
07:07as illegal,
07:09restoration of the original Form 6
07:11and prosecution of the CEC.
07:14Deputy Election Commissioner
07:16and the poll body's IT head.
07:20But the EC has issued a clarification saying
07:22that ECNet is a decentralized platform
07:26with access given to authorized officials
07:28through unique IDs and passwords.
07:31It's said that no other ECA officials
07:33can perform statutory functions on the platform
07:37and stressed that cyber security measures
07:39are in place to prevent malicious attacks.
07:43Amid the Rao,
07:45Gyanesh Kumar's scheduled visit to Mirat and Kashi
07:48have been postponed.
07:49EC sources have however said
07:51the decision is not linked
07:52to the recent controversy.
07:55From the streets
07:56to the court
07:57to a potential impeachment motion in parliament,
08:00this showdown is set to escalate further.
08:03With Aseem Bassi and Rohit Singh,
08:07Bureau Report, India Today.
08:10Now, while the focus remains on the Election Commission,
08:13this has become a huge political showdown,
08:15especially between the Bharatiya Janata Party
08:16as a ruling party
08:17and the Congress as opposition.
08:19So let's debate and discuss
08:20and understand what exactly is happening in this case.
08:23Joining me on the panel this evening
08:25on To The Point,
08:25Radhika Khera is a national spokesperson
08:27of the Bharatiya Janata Party,
08:29Adil Singh Bhoparai,
08:30national spokesperson of the Congress Party,
08:32who's also an advocate,
08:33so will help us understand the legal part of it
08:35beyond politics as well.
08:36Also on the day that the Congress Party
08:39has launched nationwide agitation,
08:41targeting not just the CEC,
08:43but also the BJP.
08:45Adil, I'll begin first with you,
08:46because the one issue,
08:47and let's go one by one.
08:48Now, one issue that many people would want to know
08:51that we are talking about primarily,
08:53the big complaint from that Indian Express report
08:56is about,
08:57and what the reactions have also come,
08:59is about the internal dissent.
09:01That especially the two election commissioners
09:03on several issues,
09:04especially the SIR,
09:05have either disagreed or raised objections.
09:08But many are also asking,
09:10isn't that a part of democracy too?
09:12There are politicians who have had,
09:14within parties,
09:15internal dissent and the views.
09:17There have been several other occasions
09:19in the judiciary.
09:20The judges have had dissenting views.
09:22Editors have dissenting views
09:24in the same newsroom.
09:25So, how is this such a big issue
09:27and allegation against the CEC?
09:29Adil.
09:30Puja, at the outset,
09:32the very existence of democracy in this country
09:35today is under threat.
09:36But let me deal with the point which you've raised.
09:39Okay.
09:39This is not about dissent or disagreement.
09:42There is a fraudulent enterprise
09:45which is underway at the election commission of India.
09:47This is not a case where two election commissioners
09:51disagreed with one chief election commissioner
09:55during the process of note-making.
09:57This is a case where unilateral orders are being passed
10:01in the teeth of objections
10:03by the majority of the election commissioners.
10:06Now, please see what the statute says.
10:09The statute says that decisions have to be taken by majority.
10:13Correct.
10:14At the least by majority,
10:15ideally by unanimity.
10:16Unanimity.
10:17Unanimity.
10:17What is happening now?
10:18Now, in the case of Form 6
10:20and what you've raised,
10:21decisions are being taken unilaterally
10:24by one election commissioner
10:26and misrepresenting that this has the authority
10:29of the election commission of India.
10:31This is something very, very serious.
10:34This is an act of fraud.
10:36Apart from the fact that there is manipulation of voter lists,
10:40this is an act of fraud.
10:42And hence, the Congress party's demand
10:44that this gentleman must be prosecuted
10:47and at the very least,
10:48he must tender his resignation.
10:51His continuation, Pooja,
10:53as the chief election commissioner is untenable.
10:56But the election commission statement officially,
10:58if we quote from that,
10:59says, before I go across to the BJP,
11:02is that the decisions were taken unanimously.
11:04It's what the election commission maintains.
11:06And that there is nothing that has been used as an overpower.
11:10I'll address that.
11:11I'll address that before you go to my friend, Radhika.
11:13Yes.
11:14Now, as far as Form 6 is concerned,
11:16let's deal one by one.
11:17Yes.
11:17Form 6 is concerned.
11:19One of the election commissioners said,
11:20when he learned,
11:22when he learned subsequently from the officers in the state
11:25that Form 6 has been changed,
11:26he said that this is absolutely unauthorized and illegal.
11:29Illegal, yes.
11:30In other words,
11:31he did not even have the knowledge
11:33that Form 6 has been changed
11:35by one individual,
11:36whose name is Gyanesh Gupta,
11:38who had no authority whatsoever.
11:41Point number one.
11:42Point number two,
11:43Mr. Sandhu and Mr. Joshi
11:45learned from the chief electoral officer in Bengal and Goa
11:49that the EROs, who are the SDMs,
11:52do not have access to the voter database.
11:55This is unprecedented.
11:57Please understand,
11:59this is not about disagreement in a studio
12:01or disagreement amongst politicians.
12:03This is an act of fraud and forgery
12:06and it must be called that.
12:10All right.
12:10So, that is one issue that you say
12:12that it's primarily because of the authority
12:14that was misused.
12:15Not disputed,
12:17not rebutted by the election commission
12:18in that.
12:19Okay.
12:19Okay.
12:21Adil, let's go across to BJP
12:22because then the BJP people
12:23are not giving them time.
12:24Radhika, I have a question
12:26apart from what you want to answer to Adil.
12:28It's also,
12:29why is the BJP defending
12:30the chief election commissioner?
12:32It's an independent body
12:33and I'm sure the CEC,
12:34if he wishes,
12:35can speak for himself
12:37as a senior officer.
12:38Why is the BJP doing the press conferences?
12:43Bandai Matram.
12:44Pooja, let's start with your question
12:46and then get to what Mr. Adil said
12:48and what happened in the press conference.
12:50Now, you asked,
12:51why is the BJP defending?
12:53A, we are not the spokespersons
12:54of the election commission.
12:55They are a free, fair body.
12:57They are free to decide
12:58what they want to do,
12:59how they want to take,
13:00whether they want to do a case,
13:01whether they want to respond,
13:02what they want to write.
13:04But yesterday,
13:04when Rahul Gandhi conducted
13:06the press conference,
13:07this was the backdrop.
13:08And he accused Prime Minister
13:09Srinya Narendra Modi
13:10and the BJP
13:11of using the election commission
13:13as a tool
13:14to win elections
13:15and to undermine democracy.
13:17So we clategorically
13:18just answered the part
13:19that were directed at us.
13:20So if you are going to go on
13:22and do a press conference
13:23and blame the Bhartia Janda Party,
13:25our spokesperson came
13:27and he did a press conference
13:28and he gave a pointed reply.
13:30Having said that,
13:31now when Rahul Gandhi tweeted,
13:33I'm sure everyone saw that
13:34at 3 p.m.
13:35he tweeted that
13:35he was going to do
13:36a presser at 4.
13:37Then it didn't happen.
13:38It went on to be delayed at 5.
13:40So we were all waiting.
13:41We were all waiting.
13:42We thought that
13:43the delay is like this
13:44because the flights
13:45of the Karnatak chief minister,
13:48the Telangana chief minister,
13:49the Keral chief minister
13:50and the Himachal chief minister
13:52were delayed.
13:52How is that related?
13:53How is that related?
13:54Press conference did happen, Radhika.
13:56Because we thought
13:57they were all going to be there
13:59leading by example
14:00and do a press conference together
14:02and say because of the SIR,
14:05we do not trust these elections
14:06so we resign
14:07and demand a re-election
14:08with a new voter list,
14:09with the old voter list.
14:10Did anyone resign?
14:12Did any chief minister
14:13step down?
14:14Not a single one.
14:15It was just all
14:15an empty political theatre
14:17to the point that
14:18when your journalist
14:19asked a question,
14:20Rahul Gandhi refused to answer.
14:21She also asked
14:22a similar question.
14:23Are you going to go to court?
14:24I believe.
14:25Now let's address
14:26the next thing.
14:27They are talking about
14:27that there is a letter of dissent,
14:29there is this is happening,
14:30that is happening.
14:31So I would request,
14:32my friend is a very well-known lawyer,
14:34I am much junior to him.
14:36I am also a lawyer
14:37so you didn't realize that.
14:38Correct.
14:39No, no, I have to mention that.
14:40Yes, you are right Radhika.
14:41Both legal voices
14:42and both political voices.
14:43I correct myself.
14:44Yes.
14:45So now I would like to ask him,
14:46when he would go to court
14:48and defend or fight a case,
14:50he would definitely show those letters.
14:52There is no proof, sir.
14:53Those two letters
14:54or the Indian Express
14:55has written a story
14:56that you have done so many press conferences.
14:58Now Indian Express
14:59has a habit of doing hit jobs.
15:01Whether it was a time during the Congress
15:03No, no, but we will not get personal like that
15:05against fellow media organizations,
15:07journalists.
15:08But Congress,
15:10Radhika,
15:10but Congress to their credit,
15:12they are quoting a news report,
15:13they are quoting interviews.
15:14I didn't say,
15:15I didn't say.
15:16Is it their responsibility
15:17to bring letters?
15:19You know,
15:20Pooja,
15:20it was not me who said
15:21that they did a hit job
15:22and they did a press,
15:23and they did a press,
15:24not once has the BJP
15:25done a press conference
15:27against the Indian Express.
15:27In fact,
15:28Prime Minister himself
15:29writes articles
15:30and opinion articles
15:32at the Indian Express.
15:33But it is the same Congress party
15:35who during their tenure
15:37came out,
15:37all guns loaded,
15:38especially Mr. A.K. Anthony,
15:40the then Defense Minister,
15:41when there was an article,
15:43a front page again
15:43by Indian Express
15:44that said
15:45that there was a military coup
15:46at Raisa Mahal.
15:47So that time
15:48they had called them Godi.
15:49Now suddenly that Godi
15:51has become
15:53because there is maybe
15:54you know,
15:55Nepoism
15:56from there or whatever.
15:57But I would really like to know
15:58if you are making a certain
16:00So what's your final point?
16:01Final point is,
16:02I would like to see
16:03those two letters
16:04Indian Express
16:05that is different.
16:06I'm sure Adil is not
16:07a spokesperson of them.
16:08But if Congress party
16:09has done a press conference,
16:10Rahul Gandhi has called
16:11a press conference,
16:12A. Why did your
16:13chief ministers not resign
16:14and ask for an election?
16:15Why is it that in all states
16:16where the Congress loses,
16:18where you are going to win,
16:20where you are going to win,
16:20where you are going to win,
16:20where you are going to win.
16:21That's an interesting point,
16:23Adil.
16:23You know,
16:24this is similar
16:25to the EVM controversy.
16:26And if you want to answer that...
16:28And also,
16:28not just where...
16:30Just an additional question.
16:32And also Rahul Gandhi
16:33has that ability
16:34to get books
16:35which have not been written
16:36and published also.
16:37So let it go.
16:39So because, you know,
16:41in states like
16:41whether it's
16:42Himachal Pradesh,
16:43Kerala,
16:43even in Bengal
16:44where parts were,
16:45TMC did win,
16:46Jammu Kashmir
16:47where National Conference
16:48has won,
16:49in Tamil Nadu,
16:50the TVK won.
16:51So there are states
16:51where the BJP
16:52has not won.
16:54So,
16:54to say that BJP
16:56has hijacked it all,
16:57is it an unfair statement?
16:59And if you want to respond
16:59to what Radhika has said.
17:02Pooja,
17:02this is all
17:03whataboutery.
17:04It is not
17:05Adil Bhoparai
17:06or Mr. Rahul Gandhi
17:07who has said
17:08that statutory form 6
17:10has been unilaterally amended
17:12or that the EROs
17:13today do not have access.
17:15These are election commissioners.
17:17The ECI
17:18is a multi-member body
17:20which has to take decisions
17:21by unanimity
17:22or by majority.
17:23The chief election commissioner
17:25is only first
17:26among the equals.
17:27All election commissioners
17:28are at par with each other.
17:30This is what the Supreme Court
17:31said way back in 1995.
17:33Point number one.
17:34Point number two.
17:36Please understand this.
17:37This is emerging
17:38from the election commission.
17:41This is not an allegation
17:42out of thin air.
17:43And this is not something
17:45which has been disputed.
17:46Now,
17:46I'll give you an example.
17:48There is a three-member jury.
17:50Now,
17:50if one member of that jury
17:52masquerades
17:53and says,
17:53well,
17:54I am passing an order
17:55which has the full authority
17:57of the other members
17:58of the jury,
17:58is that not an act of fraud?
18:00Sure.
18:01In other words,
18:01one member of that jury
18:02has misrepresented
18:04that his directive
18:06has the authority
18:06of the full jury.
18:08But then that judgment
18:09wouldn't pass, right?
18:10It would be clear.
18:11We'll know who's dissented.
18:12We'll know how the judgment
18:13has come.
18:14Similarly here,
18:15can the CEC,
18:16did he really pass the order?
18:19The onus is on whom?
18:20The onus is not on
18:21Tungja Shahi or Radhika Khaira
18:23or Aadha Gopara.
18:24The onus is on
18:25the election commission
18:25of India.
18:26The election commission
18:27of India has to come out.
18:29Today,
18:29based on the Indian Express
18:30story,
18:31which has not been rebutted,
18:33let's face facts.
18:34This is not about Congress.
18:35This is about the very
18:37edifice on which
18:37this country stands.
18:39The election commission
18:40of India
18:40has not disputed this.
18:42So,
18:42the onus is on the ECI.
18:44Ideally,
18:45ideally,
18:46if Mr. Ganesh Gupta
18:47has an iota of shame,
18:48and I've said this
18:49even on Rajdeep's show,
18:50if he has an iota of shame
18:52left,
18:52though he's a shameless
18:53man,
18:54he lacks moral courage,
18:55he should come out
18:56and answer
18:57all these queries
18:58along with the other
18:59two election commissioners.
19:03That's a fair point.
19:04Even those
19:04who agree or disagree
19:06with the CEC
19:07or other ECs
19:08would say,
19:08let's just do a press conference.
19:10Let's just take the questions
19:11and answer them.
19:12Absolutely.
19:13So,
19:14three things that
19:15my friend talked about here.
19:16He said that there is
19:17an amendment
19:18to the Form 6A.
19:20First of all,
19:21there is no amendment.
19:22There has just been
19:23an additional question
19:24that has been added
19:24in terms of the SIR.
19:26So,
19:26you should get your facts correct.
19:27Second,
19:28deliberation is not dissent.
19:29Five notes are
19:30a normal part
19:30of civil service administration.
19:32When a final decision
19:33is gathered,
19:34it carries the unanimous
19:35authority of the commission.
19:37Constitutional officers
19:37speak through
19:38their official orders
19:39and unanimous decisions.
19:40Second thing,
19:41you talk about
19:41if he has an iota
19:42of respect left,
19:44iota of shame,
19:44well,
19:45if Rahul Gandhi
19:45has an iota of shame left,
19:47he would have not done
19:48this press conference.
19:49He has a habit
19:49of raffle,
19:51chawkida chor hai,
19:52raffle,
19:53to so many,
19:54then there was the
19:57voting machine mein
19:57problem hai,
19:58and then they go
19:59and apologize
19:59in court.
20:00Rahul Gandhi
20:01ki aadat hai,
20:02bahana de de de
20:03ga,
20:03parliament me
20:04pol de ga,
20:05press conference
20:05pol de ga,
20:05and when someone
20:06takes him to court,
20:07he will apologize
20:07and he says,
20:08sorry,
20:08sorry,
20:09galdi ho kwe.
20:09that is not the way
20:11a country is run
20:12and why they are
20:13not doing a press
20:13conference is not
20:14for me to answer.
20:15You should have
20:15someone from the
20:17election commission
20:18to answer for that.
20:19I can answer for my
20:20party and that Rahul
20:21Gandhi is a habitual
20:22offender.
20:23He tries to create
20:23and just see the
20:24timing,
20:24puja,
20:25right before
20:26Uttar Pradesh ka
20:26election harai,
20:27because both the
20:28parties have nothing
20:28to do.
20:29Kuch hai ni,
20:29and also one very
20:30interesting thing,
20:31today the Congress
20:32party was protesting
20:33in Lucknow and
20:34Uttar Pradesh.
20:34Yes.
20:35Where was
20:35Akhilesh Yadav
20:36Samajwadi party
20:37or any alliance
20:38partner?
20:38So, it is
20:39absolutely clear.
20:39So, final point
20:40on that because
20:40I'm also joined
20:41by some officers
20:42that I have to
20:42go across to them.
20:43But Adil,
20:44I'll give you the
20:44final point here
20:45because that's
20:46the question also.
20:47Is India Bloc
20:47not united on this?
20:49Will you organize
20:50more protests?
20:51Quickly,
20:51sahib.
20:51Even then,
20:52Jammu Kashmir
20:52assembly for that
20:53matter.
20:54This is just
20:54the beginning.
20:55This is just
20:55the beginning.
20:56We will not rest
20:57till we seek
20:58Mr. Ganesh Gupta's
21:00resignation,
21:01point number one.
21:02Point number two,
21:02please understand.
21:04The response of
21:05the BJP is
21:06political point
21:07making.
21:07My friend has
21:08not made a
21:09single response
21:10which is germane
21:11to the issue.
21:12And number three,
21:13something which is
21:14even more sinister
21:15which has been
21:16pointed out in
21:16the Indian Express
21:17story.
21:18Let me complete
21:20please Radhika,
21:21I didn't interrupt
21:21you.
21:2197 names from
21:23Goa, despite the
21:24ERO founding
21:25those names to
21:26be correct, were
21:27rejected by the
21:28algorithm.
21:29So, the
21:29corollary to this
21:30question, which is
21:31also something which
21:32has been
21:32changed.
21:32So, is this
21:33technical, is this
21:34a centralized system,
21:34is it manipulation
21:35being done for now?
21:37Yes.
21:37Thank you very much
21:38Adil and Radhika for
21:39now.
21:39As you can see, it's
21:40a political showdown
21:41massively protests on
21:42the ground and BJP
21:43saying this is Rahul
21:43Gandhi's habit ahead of
21:45elections will rake up
21:46an issue.
21:46But I want you, the
21:47viewer, to also
21:48understand what
21:49exactly are the
21:50possibilities, what
21:51can happen and why
21:52only politicians are
21:53fighting.
21:54That's why joining me
21:54right now is a very
21:56important guest, Dr.
21:58Mohamed Amin.
21:58He's served as a
21:59former joint director
22:01with the election
22:02commission, he's
22:02acted as a chief of
22:03protocol with the
22:04election commission
22:04of India, and at
22:06least for five years
22:06he fully understands
22:08what this situation
22:09has been and what
22:11could be.
22:11Thank you so much,
22:12Dr. Amin, for
22:13joining me.
22:13My first question is,
22:14the main issue is the
22:15protocol of dissent that
22:17is being reported here.
22:19Is it uncommon?
22:20Have you seen during
22:21your tenure any of
22:22these serious,
22:23significant internal
22:23dissents on sensitive
22:25issues of this nature
22:26before?
22:26Or do you think this is
22:27the first time such a
22:28difference of opinion
22:29has come in?
22:33Puja, actually, first
22:34time I have seen in
22:35the press and the
22:36media now, this type
22:38of the controversies
22:39occurred.
22:39Earlier we have,
22:41earlier we have,
22:43like in TN
22:44session's time,
22:46so MS Gill has the
22:47problem, and after
22:48that you can see
22:50Gupala Swami has
22:51the problem with
22:52the Naveen Chawla,
22:53and after that you
22:54can, at that time
22:57Ashok Lavasa has
22:58some problem, and
22:59he has resigned even.
23:00That was also
23:01controversy, big
23:02controversy there, and
23:03Ashok Lavasa has left
23:05for the foreign
23:06assignment, and
23:07the IDB bank, but
23:09Manila, that's why
23:11he has left his own.
23:12Nowadays we have
23:13seen this, they have
23:15written the letter to
23:17commissioners who are
23:18not agreed with
23:20Mr. Gyanesh Kumar,
23:21and they have written
23:22letter to the
23:23cabinet secretary.
23:24That is not correct.
23:25that, if they have
23:27any dispute, they
23:28can go, they can
23:29take appointment with
23:30the president of
23:30India, they are
23:31reporting the
23:32president of India,
23:32and the president
23:33of India, they are
23:34Gaurhin, are the
23:35next boss.
23:36So, if any problem
23:37was there with the
23:38commissioners,
23:41it was not
23:42the letter to the
23:43president, not to
23:44the cabinet secretary.
23:45That was not
23:46correct.
23:47I am telling you,
23:48if there is a
23:50full commission
23:50order, that is
23:51implemented always,
23:52with the full
23:53agreement, with
23:54the full commission
23:55has listened, then
23:56order from outside.
23:58And any paper,
23:59small paper, comes
24:00to the election
24:01for the
24:02administration, so
24:02every commissioner
24:04pass on, they
24:05know everything
24:06about all the
24:08commissioners.
24:09And as per the
24:11government, as per
24:13the constitutional
24:14body, they have
24:15all equal rights.
24:16Like the Supreme
24:17Court judges, they
24:18have the power
24:18in joining.
24:19And here is also
24:20all are equal.
24:21Maybe one is the
24:22chief and two is
24:23the commissioner.
24:24But in case of
24:25all respect, they
24:27have full power
24:28equally.
24:30Then I have to
24:31ask you this, sir,
24:32because that is the
24:33main question here.
24:34Let's say the two
24:34election commissioners
24:35do not agree with
24:37the decision to be
24:38taken.
24:38Can the CEC take a
24:41decision, sign it by
24:42himself and get the
24:43order cleared?
24:44Do you think that
24:45can happen?
24:45Is that a possibility?
24:49Pooja, that is not
24:50correct.
24:50If he is issuing
24:52the order, only two
24:54commissioners have the
24:55power if they are
24:56jointly, they are in
24:57the majority.
24:58Two is one.
25:00So one cannot, any
25:02veto power even
25:02I have.
25:03I was listening, so
25:04many people are
25:05telling you veto power.
25:06So Kanaish has no
25:08veto power for that.
25:09Only two commissioners
25:10have the majority.
25:11So all majority goes
25:12to the two commissioners,
25:13not to the NSG.
25:15It's not correct.
25:17Majority or unanimous?
25:19And thank you for
25:20just putting it in
25:20perspective.
25:21The next question then
25:22I would want to ask you
25:23is on this technical
25:25system that has come in,
25:26the allegation of
25:26technical oversight that
25:28is being done, the
25:29centralized system, the
25:30digital ecosystem that
25:31has been brought in
25:32here.
25:32Do you think that's a
25:33problem, the issue of
25:34deletions, registrations,
25:35appeal that is happening?
25:37What do you say to that?
25:38Do you think BLO should
25:39have more power?
25:40Should they have access
25:41to or other officials
25:43have access to the
25:44digital system, sir?
25:47In the system,
25:49Pooja, always the
25:50BLO and AEROs are
25:51responsible for the
25:52registration of the
25:53voter and deletion of
25:55the voter.
25:55But I'm saying to
25:56always, election
25:58commissioners, not
25:59before the gang,
26:02before that, they
26:04have all power with
26:05the Delhi, chief
26:08election office,
26:09chief commissioners,
26:10ECI.
26:11has the power.
26:12And whenever the
26:14notification is there
26:15for the state
26:16registration of the
26:18voters, this is
26:19direction from here
26:20and they open at that
26:22time.
26:22This is very clear.
26:23Not this first time
26:24yet.
26:24Always happen like
26:25this.
26:25And this from here
26:27also.
26:28So this is not the
26:29correct, this time,
26:30first time.
26:31This is always
26:31happened from the
26:33supply system of the
26:34voter registration.
26:36And in case of the
26:37Goa, you're
26:38mentioning, I'm
26:39telling you, there
26:41is a time limit
26:42for every
26:43registration.
26:44Voter registration
26:44time is there.
26:46The second is the
26:47draft list.
26:48There is also some
26:49time for the
26:50implementation.
26:51And the notification
26:53of the publishing
26:54of the voter
26:55final list is
26:56also a time limit.
26:59There is a problem
27:01for the server
27:03and the time
27:04was over.
27:06IEO, BRO and
27:07even CEO was
27:08trying five, four
27:09times to have
27:10heard about that.
27:11But not correct.
27:12Due to the time
27:13limitation, that
27:14might be server is
27:15closed.
27:16Why?
27:16This is the
27:17security system.
27:18Nobody can delete,
27:19nobody can enter
27:19without the permission
27:20of the election
27:21commission of India.
27:22This is the
27:22correct.
27:22Dr. Amin, are you
27:25saying then, if I'm
27:26correct, that you're
27:27saying that the
27:27digital system and
27:29the manner in which
27:29not anybody can
27:30access it beyond a
27:32certain number of
27:34officials is actually
27:34making it more
27:35secure?
27:39Yeah, secure the
27:41data.
27:45So the issues
27:46basically that are
27:47coming in that from
27:48what I understand,
27:48because sir, you've
27:49been at a joint
27:49director position, a
27:51lot of meetings that
27:52you would also have
27:53access to.
27:54Another issue, the
27:55complaint that was
27:55filed was about for
27:56a year.
27:57No agenda was
27:58received by the
27:59election commissioners
28:00before the meeting.
28:01And from what I
28:02understand, working
28:03in all of these
28:04institutions, that
28:05agendas have to be
28:07shared, because a
28:08lot of discussions
28:08around it happen, the
28:10manner in which what
28:11is expected as part
28:12of the agenda, what
28:13do you say to this
28:14very specific charge
28:15that agendas were not
28:17received for a year?
28:18Do you think that
28:18can happen?
28:19Is that possible?
28:22Suja is not
28:23correct.
28:24I'm 100% sure all
28:26the orders close after
28:28the full commission
28:29order, not a single
28:30one.
28:31That is not issued
28:32and not implemented.
28:34After the full
28:36concern of the
28:37commission, this
28:38is issued orders.
28:42And every
28:42commissioner knows,
28:43I'm telling you, a
28:45single paper is also
28:46always move on to
28:48the commission
28:48office.
28:50And they have
28:51proper discussion.
28:52After that,
28:53and that comes with
28:55the law of the
28:55election commission
28:56of India.
28:57I'm going to tell
28:58you if they have
28:59any problem.
29:01I just want to ask
29:02you here that
29:03that means no
29:04official communication
29:05or order can be
29:06cleared without the
29:07approval of all three
29:08or at least the
29:09understanding of all
29:10three.
29:14I'm going to tell
29:15you if they have
29:16any problem,
29:17then go to the
29:18president of India.
29:20Nowadays, the
29:20position is very bad
29:21in the country and
29:22image is going down.
29:23Like we have the
29:24word famous in
29:26case of democracy.
29:26We are doing very
29:27good.
29:28And we have the
29:28institution here.
29:29We are teaching
29:30them to foreigners,
29:32even chief election
29:33commissioners.
29:33Some countries are
29:34coming to attend
29:35how we are doing
29:36the demonstration.
29:38election
29:40management.
29:41So this is
29:42defaming to the
29:43election commission
29:44of India.
29:45So that's why
29:45it's my advice
29:47for election
29:51commission
29:52independence
29:52they can come
29:54together and
29:55joint press
29:56conference must be
29:56addressed by the
29:57election commission
29:58of India.
29:59So everybody
29:59can understand
30:01even press,
30:02media and
30:04all parties
30:05and even
30:06all voters of
30:07the country.
30:07Then confidence
30:08will be developed
30:09again to the
30:10election commission
30:11of India.
30:11Otherwise,
30:12I'm sure that
30:13nowadays this
30:14who and cry,
30:15everybody is
30:15doubtful about
30:16the election
30:17commission's
30:19independence body.
30:20And let me
30:21make that my
30:22final question
30:23because you've
30:23also worked
30:24with the
30:24election commission.
30:25What do you
30:26think needs to
30:27happen now?
30:27Because we
30:28used to always
30:28quote the
30:29election commission
30:30as this
30:30independent,
30:31strong authority
30:32figure that's
30:33ensuring democracy
30:34is functional.
30:35Do you think
30:35the SIR
30:36exercise needed
30:37to be done?
30:38Because of this
30:39SIR it appears
30:40or at least
30:40the controversy
30:41around SIR
30:42that the
30:42election commission's
30:43image has
30:44taken a hit?
30:49SIR process is
30:50correct one and
30:52we needed long
30:52back.
30:53This was
30:53happened due
30:54to the Mr.
30:55Rahul Gandhi
30:56has spoken after
30:57the Delhi Haryana
30:58and he has
30:58spoken in the
30:59election of
31:00Maharashtra.
31:01Lags of the
31:02voters included
31:02for the BJP
31:03party and
31:04lags of the
31:04voters deleted
31:06from the
31:07opposition side.
31:08So that's why
31:09the election
31:09commission has
31:10think over that
31:11and they have
31:11decided before
31:12the Bihar election
31:13the SIR done.
31:14Means SIR is
31:15what is that?
31:16Special intensive
31:17revision means
31:18we have the
31:18deleted the
31:19death cases,
31:21migrated and
31:22so that's why
31:23now we have
31:25the digital
31:27voter list.
31:28So you can
31:28put any button
31:29and you see
31:30anywhere in the
31:31world where
31:32the voter list
31:32and the
31:33clearly faces
31:34correct phone
31:35numbers,
31:36contact numbers
31:37and their
31:37addresses and
31:38their father name.
31:39So this is
31:40the correct
31:40list now we
31:41can prepare.
31:42Very interesting,
31:42very important.
31:43I appreciate you
31:44Dr.
31:44Mohamed Avin
31:45for speaking to
31:45India today and
31:46just putting it
31:46in clarity for
31:47us about what
31:48really are the
31:49possibilities and
31:50loopholes and
31:51more.
31:51Let's hope that
31:52the controversy
31:52is put to
31:53end very soon.
31:53Thank you very
31:54much for joining
31:54us on To the
31:55Point on India
31:56today.
31:58Let's move on
31:58now and this is
31:59about eventually
32:00the safety and
32:01security of women
32:03in the country in
32:03different states.
32:05Disappointing
32:05updates from
32:06Bihar.
32:07There was
32:07Jammui,
32:08then some
32:08Astepur,
32:09now Banka,
32:10within a week.
32:10Three videos,
32:11three districts,
32:12but the horror
32:13still same.
32:14Women either
32:15being dragged,
32:16groped, harassed,
32:16not in the dark,
32:17but in the public,
32:19in broad daylight.
32:20Mobile phones
32:21rolling.
32:23Songs are added
32:24later,
32:24Instagram reels
32:25are being made
32:26of that harassment.
32:27There was a time
32:28when we were
32:29looking at the
32:30Naya Bihar,
32:31what's happening
32:31to that image.
32:32First, the report
32:33on that.
32:48There is not
32:50an iota of doubt
32:51the betis of Bihar
32:53have been betrayed.
32:55As India is still
32:56reeling from the
32:56horror that unfolded
32:58in Bihar's Jammui,
32:59come incidents in
33:01Samastipur and
33:02Banka that are
33:04beyond shocking.
33:06A young woman
33:07accompanied by a man
33:08was molested
33:09and harassed
33:11in Banka,
33:12a prominent tourist
33:13spot and pilgrimage.
33:16The entire incident
33:17was recorded on camera.
33:19The monsters can be seen
33:21blocking the girl,
33:22twisting her arm
33:23and then hitting her
33:25with slippers.
33:26More astonishing
33:27is the fact that
33:28the video has been
33:29edited with a song
33:31that seems to glorify
33:32the behavior.
33:38After the video
33:39went viral on
33:40social media,
33:41police swung
33:42into action,
33:43registered a case
33:44and identified
33:45the accused.
33:57In Samastipur,
33:59a minor girl
33:59was surrounded
34:00by a mob,
34:01dragged,
34:02groped
34:03and harassed
34:04in broad daylight.
34:05The young girl
34:06resisted
34:07as the molesters
34:08let her go.
34:15After the public
34:16outrage,
34:17four accused
34:18have been arrested.
34:39arrested.
34:44But what's more
34:45astonishing is the
34:46trivialization
34:47of the issue
34:48and the politics
34:49that followed.
34:52is the
34:53It's
34:53a little bit
34:57that there's no
34:57problem.
34:59America doesn't
35:00very developed.
35:01There are also
35:02problems.
35:03There are also problems.
35:03But what do you want to
35:04protect the government
35:26Just a few days ago, a video showing sexual harassment of a girl surfaced from Jamooi.
35:36The main accused, Nandan Yadav, who groped, assaulted and molested the girl, was shot
35:42in the leg by police in an encounter.
35:45Another accused, Hari Ram, suffered the same fate.
35:50From Jamooi to Samastipur to Baka, the script just does not change.
35:58The Beities of Bihar are not safe.
36:02With Shashi Bhushan, Bureau Report, India Today.
36:08I'm now joined by India Today's Rohit Singh, who's been tracking all the updates on these
36:13incidents.
36:13Rohit, what happens to the image of Naya Bihar here?
36:16How is this turning into a political showdown?
36:18Importantly, how is the Chief Minister assuring the women of Bihar, from Patna to Jamooi to
36:24Samastipur and other areas, that they will be safe, that this will not be tolerated?
36:33Well, see, I must admit the fact that what has happened in Bihar over the last three,
36:39four days has really let down the government also, because whether it was Nitish Kumar at
36:46the helm of affairs or Samrat Chaudhary, everyone always maintained that women in Bihar are now
36:52completely safe.
36:5312 o'clock at midnight, they can walk freely in Patna or elsewhere in Bihar and come back
36:59safely.
37:00But now what has happened over the last three, four days clearly goes on to show that all
37:05those may simply be called hollow claims, because the reality remains that in various
37:11districts, like not only, I'm not talking about Patna, Samastipur, Jamooi, Baka, these
37:16are various districts very close to Patna, and this is what is happening, where women are
37:21being groped, they are being molested.
37:23And it's not only one or two persons, in fact, a group of seven, eight people who are indulging
37:29in all these things.
37:30And after that, when it all happens, you see that videos are being made, reels are being
37:35made, it is being circulated on social media, and shockingly, when the government people,
37:41in fact, I'm talking about ministers, MLAs, they are making all kinds of insensitive comments,
37:46chit put ghatna hai, hota rehta hai, ikka dukka ghatna hoti rehti hai, moral policing,
37:52decent manner mein hona chahiyeh.
37:54But all these things we all have heard over the last three, four days, so all these clearly
37:59goes on to show that there is some lack of sensitiveness as far as the state government
38:05is concerned.
38:06However, what is happening is the fact that after these videos are going viral, after this entire
38:11episodes are coming to light, action is being taken, all those accused are being arrested,
38:17whether it's Jammui or Samastipur, cases are being registered.
38:22But obviously, such incidents have really led down the state.
38:23But Rohit, the fact also remains that these accused have been arrested because it's all
38:27at least recorded on camera, which they don't fear, the accused don't fear, but at least
38:32that's led to their arrest.
38:33I wonder how many of these instances are happening where there are no recordings and that is where
38:36the government will have to crack down, when they make a political claim, there will be
38:40reality checks soon coming in that came in these cases.
38:42I appreciate you joining us.
38:43Rohit, keep tracking the incidents coming in from Bihar.
38:46Is it Naya Bihar or is it returning to Jungle Raj?
38:50But what does one say about Bihar when even in Delhi, the situation is looking barisam?
38:55And this time, it was supposed to be a birthday outing for teenager friends and turned into
38:59a nightmare.
39:00But at least in this case, the girl was brave enough to be able to stand front with her statement,
39:06tell the police with her male friend about what exactly happened.
39:10And this time, the bigger issue is not just about the crime that happened, but the belief
39:16among these criminals that they can get away with what they are doing.
39:26A birthday that should have been filled with joy.
39:29Instead, for a 17-year-old girl, it became a day she may scaringly carry with her for the
39:36rest of her life.
39:39A temple visit, a celebration with a friend and a brief stop at a park before an evening
39:46of terror began.
39:49Now, in her statement to the police, she recounts what happened.
39:55She says it was her birthday and she had wanted to visit the Kalkaji temple with her friend.
40:01They visited the temple where they remained until around 7 pm and then went to the Asta Kunj Park.
40:08But moments after, they sat down, three men approached them.
40:13One of their names she overheard was Asif.
40:16The other two were later identified by the police as Hemant Singh and Mukesh Singh.
40:22The men first assaulted her friend, claimed to be policemen, and questioned them about
40:29being inside the park at that hour.
40:31Their phones were taken away.
40:33She was taken to a dark, secluded spot where the accused threatened her with a gun and knives,
40:41dragged her towards the bushes and raped her.
40:46Meanwhile, India Today has got details of the trail investigators are now following.
40:53Sources say the accused returned home after the crime and washed their clothes,
40:58allegedly in an attempt to destroy evidence.
41:01The phones of all three accused have been sent for forensic examination.
41:07Investigators suspect that search history and other digital material may have been deleted.
41:13Police have also said objectionable material was recovered from the phone of accused Asif.
41:20Now, after the crime, security measures are being tightened.
41:24Police teams are patrolling secluded stretches and parks.
41:29The DDA has also announced tighter security across its parks.
41:34Restricting access after sunset and limiting entry to designated gates at parks with multiple access points.
41:42CCTV coverage and lighting will be strengthened.
41:46Night patrolling will be intensified.
41:48Emergency numbers will be displayed.
41:51And the DDA says these measures are to be implemented within seven days.
41:56But there is a difficult question at the heart of this entire episode.
42:01Because when India Today visited Aasta Kunsh Park just two days after the incident,
42:06glaring security lapses were visible.
42:09As I am standing here, viewers, I cannot spot a single street light anywhere around in this very vicinity of
42:18the park itself.
42:19And this, mind you, is a majorly big park covering a massive area.
42:24So, for a park of this kind with such dense green trees all around with very poor lighting,
42:33that comes out to be the number one concern that's been flagged.
42:36Now, this is a DDA-maintained park that we are speaking of.
42:41So, why did it take a crime this brutal for basic safety measures to be strengthened?
42:47And more importantly, how long will these measures actually remain in place?
42:53Because for this 17-year-old, the failure of security was not just a lapse.
42:58It became a trauma.
43:00She will have to live with life long.
43:04With Shriya Kundu, Bureau Report, India Today.
43:12Bihar and Delhi done what's next. Even worse. And that is in Tamil Nadu.
43:17India Today has been constantly providing you with exclusive news breaks
43:20about what happened with this granite baron, Veeramani.
43:24The first man who handed evidence to the police, and not recently,
43:29in this child sexual exploitation case is the whistleblower by the name of Hari Haran.
43:34And he's now, for the first time, speaking on television willingly.
43:38And wants to talk about how he also received a package containing a pen drive.
43:43With a note saying,
43:44Offenders Veeramani and Shanti. Someone approached him.
43:47He heads an NGO in the state of Tamil Nadu.
43:50And someone approached him to possibly, with hope that this issue can be exposed.
43:54Hari Haran is the head of a Chennai-based NGO, saying multiple videos were there in the pen drive
43:59and that he recognised Veeramani in that.
44:02The Chennai-Poxo Special Court has extended the judicial custody of Veeramani until 9th October.
44:07A special investigation team has been appointed for the probe as well in this case.
44:11Four women police officers have been appointed as part of the special investigation team to probe this further.
44:17A case that may have led to political showdown between the TVK, the DMK,
44:22the incumbent Chief Minister Vijay and the former CMMK, Stalin.
44:25But the bigger question remains. A case was initiated. Investigation did happen.
44:31Why was the case closed so fast?
44:37The first and foremost thing we would like to know is that, how it started?
44:40How did you get this particular evidence? And from then on, what happened?
44:45Last year, 2025, October 6th, a person walked in and he said there is a CD.
44:53And similarly, we have seen different experiences like that.
44:58Normally, we will not ask the person who is giving some evidence.
45:01We will not, it's unlinked anomalies. We receive as it is.
45:07And there was an envelope in a pen drive, inside red colour pen drive,
45:11and a small note in half a page of scribbling pad.
45:15My staff received it on 6th of October. And after that, I came sometime 11 o'clock.
45:23We both saw that. And it was clearly an abuse scene.
45:28It's very difficult to digest shocking as well.
45:31Very elderly man. It's a blur video, but we can make it as a very elderly man, a small girl.
45:38Blurred in the sense?
45:39Blurred in the sense, whether purposely they did it or the quality of the camera, we didn't know.
45:47The face was blurred or the entire video?
45:49No, purposely blurred. It is not masking things. It is not masking.
45:54The quality of the video is very poor. Quality of the video is poor.
45:57They didn't mask the person, focusing on protecting the identity.
46:04Only the quality of the video is poor.
46:06And the girl, a small girl, as 9 years, she'll be 12 years old.
46:11She's facing that person, the abuser.
46:15And 20 minutes video, the total time.
46:18The girl comes and stops. He started abusing her.
46:22And she goes back. And she comes back.
46:24The third time when she comes back, he's trying to remove her cloths.
46:28And that ends the CD.
46:30Then we gave immediately. We thought we need to hand it over to the authority.
46:35A lot of questions arises.
46:38Why are you taking it all the way to the A.V.S. Anti-Vice Court?
46:41You might have given to the local police. Why not you give?
46:44No, we work very closely with the A.V.S. Court for the last 20 years.
46:49Even though we are very specialist in rescuing, focusing on rescuing minor girls into prostitution.
46:55We'll end up in rescuing adult people.
46:58So we work with them closely. We know the officers. We go and give them.
47:02We told them this is happening.
47:03And then they said, if you are sure that this is an abusive video, you've complained.
47:07It is not that way.
47:09It is one of the things that we have shared about.
47:13There is a situation that I am talking about.
47:15We are just saying that we are talking about the Tamil Nadu's.
47:17And the victims of the Tamil Nadu, the victims of the Tamil Nadu are standing there.
47:25The victims of the Tamil Nadu, the victims of the Tamil Nadu, the victims of the Tamil Nadu,
47:26The case came in the DMK government.
47:31The history of the other.
48:04I'm sorry.
48:05Now, they have fallen.
48:08They've fallen.
48:10They've fallen.
48:13If they've fallen, they've fallen,
48:15a good thing.
48:20They're all bad men.
48:25If they've have fallen,
48:35They have arrested him.
48:37They have filed a F.I.R.
48:39Then let them proceed with it.
48:41Why should they involve DMK now?
48:44There was maybe a complaint earlier, but that complaint was properly not investigated by
48:50the police.
48:51It is the duty of the police.
48:54Whenever they receive a complaint, they have to investigate the complaint and take action.
48:59Now they have taken action and they have arrested him.
49:01That's all.
49:02It's a very simple matter.
49:06A crime has happened and the police have arrested him.
49:09Then they should proceed with it.
49:13Apurva Jayachandran is joining me for the latest on that.
49:16Apurva, direct question.
49:17Will justice be given?
49:19When is the government ensuring that an impartial independent investigation will be done in
49:23this case?
49:24And how, rather than just the political showdown we are witnessing?
49:30Well, Pooja, that is a question that still remains with an unclear answer because right
49:36now the Tamil Nadu government, the Tamil Nadu police have gone ahead.
49:39They have said that a special investigation team of four top women police officials will
49:44be, you know, have been set up wherein they will investigate what has happened so far.
49:48Be it the October 20, 25 when this Congress leader Ranjan had gone ahead and stated that
49:53he had already provided evidence or be it this NGO wherein they gave these photographs,
49:59they gave these videos for the police to investigate and no action taken.
50:03There is definitely this blame game that will keep going on between the TVK and the DMK as
50:08it has continued so before elections and now after elections, now that the TVK is in power.
50:13But the main question remains, what happens to those minor victims?
50:17Will they be, you know, come forward?
50:20Will they have the power to come forward as the trauma that they have dealt with under the
50:25hands of Granite Baron Viramani?
50:27He is, you know, a reputed person or so-called in the society, but now it all shambles right
50:33down to the very crux of this rot. And to hear that this has been going on for the last
50:38two
50:39decades, that 20 years, these young minor children were subjected to this kind of a horrific act,
50:45that definitely not only leaves a trauma.
50:48That is the point, Apoorwa, that you are telling us. It's getting reported now, surely.
50:53But is one seriously telling me that the police didn't know about it, politicians didn't know
50:58about it? And each one of them, the ones who let this go, need to feel ashamed. And I hope
51:05action
51:06is taken against them too, irrespective of their position in power. Thank you very much, Apoorwa,
51:11Pramod. All of our colleagues will be closely tracking the latest on the Viramani case. On that note,
51:16I'm concluding to the point and wrapping up this bulletin. Thank you very much for watching.