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00:02hi everybody this is nate welcome to my channel welcome back helen how are you thank you fine
00:08thank you i'm doing well how about you i'm pretty well yes thanks for asking i have three very
00:15exciting topics this week we're not wasting any time are we okay
00:23and yeah they really fit into you know the topics that we've been talking about in beyond the
00:30headlines which are societal you know things of the world um medicine technology kind of those trends
00:40those topics so they're a little bit out there but that's what makes this show fun so our first
00:48topics i you would never guess it's really about something very very very important
00:55and it's the future of seeds oh yes there's a great novel that just came out in the last year
01:05or so
01:05about about uh seed bank on an island i won't go into it it's a really good book okay well
01:11that is a
01:12very nice uh transition so farmers have been saving selecting the best seeds for thousands of years
01:19which one grow faster produce more food survive the drought resist those diseases taste better why not
01:27survive the heat survive the cold and so the farmers have been improving kind of the quality of the seeds
01:35for thousands for thousands of years but the problem is we're losing uh variety you know we're losing the
01:43different variety of crops um as a result uh we expect that if we plant the seed we kind of
01:53expect
01:53the same type of wheat for example and the risk is that if a disease come it could destroy a
02:01huge amount of food
02:02because they all come from the same seed uh so are we making farming more efficient or more vulnerable
02:10on top of that it has an escape you that we have climate change so those crops that we've been
02:18having over and over again are they going to able to resist the heat the water shortages
02:24the extreme rainfall the new pests the new diseases a plant that's able to survive today's condition may not
02:34be able to survive tomorrow's condition so seed banks are our libraries there are libraries of of life
02:43and um people are trying to keep copies of seeds for example in norway like a like a like a
02:52library of
02:53of seeds yeah they're called seed banks they've been for a while the government has had yes um then we
03:00have
03:01technology where dna is modified dna is studied and sometimes yeah completely modified we play
03:12with the dna we play with fire there's also a real question about who is the owner of the seeds
03:22it can be owned by a company or is it the common good um the what yeah the common good
03:32uh
03:34so if scientists develop a draw drought resistant crops who controls the seeds who will feed the next
03:42generation i mean that's a big deal um so what is seeds are actually becoming when you think about it
03:54more important than a robot more important than a computer more important than any technology because we're
04:02talking about if it's not food for us it's food for animals and the whole ecosystems so what are we
04:11doing so your thoughts on that and what should we read on on this very important topic that is not
04:19very
04:19talked about well they've had government run seed banks for a long time and i don't know how involved
04:30corporations are in preservation of seeds but i know that they alter seeds so here's an example
04:37we had a bag of sweet potatoes the other day and one of them had started to sprout
04:47in the bag so i took a cup i took one out and i cut out the eyes and i
04:54put them in a jar of water each
04:56and a couple of them it worked and a couple of them it didn't work but provided that i managed
05:04to baby
05:05them through the winter and plant them outside will they bear fruit is the question so sweet potatoes are
05:16a tuber they're like a i don't know if the correct term is rhizome but they're part of the root
05:21system
05:22of the plant right so they grow under the like potatoes sweet potatoes that kind of thing um
05:30will they grow i don't know but that's how you propagate them you know they don't hear what you
05:37call nightshades sweet potatoes i don't know i know potatoes are but i don't know sweet potatoes are
05:45so i also grew potatoes and they turned out they they did okay they they didn't get very big
05:53but my husband went out there the other day and took out all the ones that were small and i
05:58said
05:59we'll keep those we'll see if we can use those as seed potatoes but i don't have a lot of
06:05optimism
06:06about it because most of the stuff you buy in the grocery store is somehow treated now i don't know
06:14if
06:14they alter them genetically i don't know if they spray them with chemicals that block propagation
06:20but they intentionally the companies that sell the seeds intentionally do not want you to be able to
06:28buy seeds once and then always have yeah yeah so that they're sterile even if the seeds exist
06:36they're sterile they don't replicate um it and it's all about money so you know what was your question
06:43earlier you asked a question at the end of of the information well yeah what
06:51are there any risks i mean there's a number of questions it's what are the risks what's going to
06:57happen with those seeds in the context particularly our climate change are we a risk since we have
07:05zoning we lost diversity of yeah i've seen that a lot in the things that grow around here that are
07:12not
07:12doing well that used to because they're too warm but i think yeah it's a read on what corporations are
07:21going to own the food supply
07:24if you own the food supply and access to growing things everybody needs to eat and if they own it
07:32they control us
07:33and don't they have companies like monsanto that have that owns the dna's and
07:40so my question is very simple what are the risks of losing our seeds
07:54let's see here i'm using my big cards because it's a big problem it's a big topic what are the
08:03risks of losing our seeds
08:11oh this is interesting
08:27oh my god okay what do you want me to go yeah yeah okay so ten of pentacles
08:33this this is a big gigantic duh ten of pentacles is all about money it's about profit period over and
08:40out
08:42uh i gotta cover this the lovers reversed they don't care it's all about money
08:50and wait you see the third card i got the devil oh it's really bad it's like i said if
08:57they control
08:58the ability to grow food they control us period i got the nine of swords this is a very serious
09:06worrisome issue the four of cups we're not finding solutions
09:12are we even trying okay then i have the empress
09:19so this is about you know in in different cards the empress you harvest it's this yeah
09:27final card is very interesting justice
09:32is this that we're gonna find a middle ground or is this that it's gonna go to the court system
09:38i think of it a third way i think the inevitable negative repercussions are what we're gonna feel
09:46here but there is karmic justice um yes yeah but there could also be legal matters
09:55okay okay but yeah i feel like about ownership and all of that yes i feel like there will be
10:05all right let me let me remind i have one two words for you to close the topic out citizens
10:11united
10:15you have to laugh yeah uh let me ask you a question as i introduce this second topic
10:21your telephone your mobile phone so how do you unlock it do you have a password
10:30lock it i don't lock my phone okay there's i don't bank on my phone there's nothing on my phone
10:39yeah so a number of people including myself have a password but we usually i do use my face as
10:49an id
10:50you do and a lot of people do
10:55and a lot of people face is being used to access phones computers bank accounts airports buildings
11:03workplaces government services a password is something you know a face is something you are
11:12that's a huge difference what happens when your face becomes your password for everything
11:19passwords are really annoying that we would all agree where we forget them where we use them they get
11:26stolen facial recognition makes it easier and i agree i use my phone boom
11:33the screen opens it's fast it's convenient here is a little problem
11:41you can change a password
11:47you can't change your face
11:50oh madonna would disagree with that
11:54if your password is stolen you create a new one if your biometric information is compromised
12:02there's no face b your face contains much more than your identity your age
12:12your sex your emotional expressions where you're looking some signals some characteristic whether you're paying
12:21attention some systems have also claimed to infer
12:26controversial characteristics from your facial images
12:32should technology be allowed to infer information about us that we never agreed to reveal and then of course the
12:40surveillance question
12:42imagine you walk through a city
12:45flock cameras everywhere
12:47you walk through a place where instead of recording people the camera
12:51identify the individuals
12:53cameras
12:54ai
12:54database
12:55location data
12:58at what point public safety becomes mass mass surveillance the airport example
13:06passport has biometrics
13:09boarding pass is linked to your passport
13:12and your id
13:13a passenger can be identified through your biometric information
13:18it makes travel faster but it also reduce your privacy
13:23a bank
13:24your face becomes part of your financial security
13:28that's true
13:30on your app on the phone if you you recognize your face that's i give access to your bank account
13:38with ai a photograph can be evidence that someone was physically present
13:44ai can change the face the video the voice the identity we all know that
13:50um imagine a future
13:53where you don't have keys you don't have cards you don't have your passwords just you
13:59and your face opens your home your car your phone your bank your airport your medical records your workplace
14:11do you really own your face
14:14it's a part of your body but it belongs now it's too late to government database social media security
14:23flock cameras company database advertising system
14:29what if we they add face voice fingerprint eye and behavior
14:38what is actually gonna happen here
14:41well they're already doing it at walmart
14:44what are they doing
14:49um dynamic pricing when you go into walmart most people now i wouldn't say that this is true of
14:56everybody most people
14:59bring their phone and use
15:02their phone to pay or a card to pay
15:09so well i want to get this as condensed as possible walmart has
15:15facial recognition or recognition and they're using it and they take information off your phone
15:21as you get close to an item on the shelf they now have the price tags are little digital price
15:29tags
15:29they're not pieces of paper with numbers anymore they're screens little screens and as you approach
15:36they read your information from your phone your face and your card they also can read your behavior
15:42and based on your spending pattern elsewhere and previously at walmart based on your bank account
15:51based on the information they know about your income
15:54based on your behavior based on your behavior so here's an example you go shopping with your
16:01children and they pitch a fit in the cereal aisle because they want the cereal that's bad for them
16:07and to shut them up
16:09i would never do this to shut them up you get the box of cereal
16:14they're going to charge you more for that box of cereal because they know you're not likely
16:19to reject it because of price they can charge you more
16:24and the price you see on the digital screen on the shelf
16:28is not the price necessarily that's going to be rung up at the cash register they don't necessarily
16:34tell you so you know i used to be able to go into a grocery store and keep a running
16:39tally in my head how much money i was spending you can't do that anymore because the price on the
16:45shelf may not be the same as the price they ring up and that's why you have those machines where
16:51you can
16:52scan and verify before you get to the and that doesn't guarantee that that's what they will charge you
16:59that's what i'm saying people have done that i i i told the story on my channel of the woman
17:04who
17:04went in to buy something for her child and uh online it was like 60 cheaper i'm going to make
17:16that up 60 cheaper and she was shocked because she saw it online she thought okay i'm in here to
17:22get
17:23groceries i'll pick up this toy she went to the toy department it was 60 more expensive in the toy
17:28department she took the price on her phone and the price on the actual physical toy
17:33to the desk and said what's going on and they said yeah it's cheaper if you buy it online
17:41you know another example of that um it's a little bit different from facial recognition but
17:47to your point of dynamic pricing the type of computer you have if you have a pc or a mac
17:54well
17:55the website recognized if you're using a pc or a mac if you're using a mac particularly airline prices will
18:04be higher now because they consider that mac people have more money than pc people no i have a pc
18:16that that's hilarious that's absolutely hilarious i also have a burner phone i just i'm horrified that
18:25people are willing to use their facial identity to open their phones for example because yes you're
18:34fighting um an unstoppable avalanche coming at you there's no way to avoid it everywhere
18:41but you don't have to capitulate and make it easy for them
18:46well that actually it's more safe with your facial recognition because no one can steal that
18:55well maybe maybe you shouldn't be doing secret things on the phone
19:00maybe the phone should be for talking to people
19:04well okay but then how do you do your banking i go to the bank
19:13it's three blocks away i walk down to the bank
19:17i know that we discussed this before i've been to banks and sometimes it takes you 30 minutes to
19:24withdraw a hundred dollars not where i live
19:30so the question i have for the cards is what's the future of facial recognition
19:35is it going to develop is it going to be stopped what's going to happen are there going to be
19:40problems
19:45oh that's just you just going out of your way to depress me i just oh my god
19:51you you like the third topic much better yeah
20:01facial recognition this card doesn't go with that deck
20:06the cards are messed up okay
20:27what do you got
20:30not much
20:32that we don't know the world it's
20:34all around the world
20:36that it's true it's a global phenomenon
20:40the magician there's more coming
20:43but we're playing a little bit with fire this is the magician
20:46so what is true what is fake this is what a magician does
20:50make things appear disappear the magician does that
20:54six of cups it's talking about
20:56i think an interesting topic which is
20:59society but also family
21:02so
21:04maybe you are against it but if people in your family does it and you're connected to that family
21:10maybe you're also impacted
21:12and then final card is the moon there's a lot of shadow
21:16there's a lot that we don't know there's a lot going on behind the scenes
21:20so it doesn't talk about a big danger but there's a lot going on behind the scenes and the shadow
21:28yeah i would take that six of cups to talk about
21:31people's longing to go back to the way things used to be
21:35nostalgia
21:36that way
21:37yeah
21:37and the moon is you know to me is just outright deception
21:41that they're passing it off as one thing but it's about control
21:45so so i got the nine of pentacles reversed it's turning our sense of comfort and uh
21:55status quo peace you know it's turning it all on its ear
21:59i it's shaking up our sense of of safety and predictability uh justice reversed i i just this
22:10is really bad i i don't know i can't even articulate that the many the numerous ways i think this
22:17is
22:17really disturbing we're losing our power the four of pentacles reversed our power and who's happy
22:26the corporations the smug business people yeah i think it's it's a terrible thing we're we are
22:33trading it's it's daniel webster daniel webster and the devil you know it's selling our souls
22:42for quick quick gain quick benefit so we're we're trading our privacy our autonomy our sense of self
22:52our independence for the quick essay that you don't have to write yourself or the quick whatever
23:00that people i don't even know why people use it but i i do know that when you try to
23:06make an
23:07appointment and you're on hold for god knows okay i'll share this nine phone calls because ai kept
23:17canceling my appointment nine phone calls before i actually got to talk to a human being
23:27i rest my case well that's a great position because we're about to talk about the topic of
23:35the annual physical exam i told you you would be very excited so the the annual physical exam is
23:45changing its nature go back in time it used to be with the doctor already checking you know your body
23:53and your heart and and now it people have realized that you know they're on their computers a lot it's
24:00a lot
24:01about numbers it's a lot about tests it's about and so there is a feeling that it's shifting from a
24:09relationship with a doctor remember we talk about the primary care physician the family doctor to
24:16something that is just more numbers driven it's impersonal you go to the doctor and the doctor spends the
24:25the entire time looking at a screen and how many times in five minutes now keep in mind you've never
24:31left their sight how many times in five minutes do they ask you for your birthday
24:35in the us 76 percent of adults have a routine checkup a physical annual physical exam
24:4476.2 that's what i got from this study um so what is a routine checkup per the cdc
24:57let's go back to what the cdc says your blood pressure
25:03your weight cholesterol blood test vaccination and preventative screening
25:11so yes usually um preventative medicine is trying to look at
25:18what they can see blood pressure norm diabetes cancer etc um
25:28the question that is come is
25:32traditional medicine often measures snapshots so you go to your annual physical well that's a snapshot
25:39of where you are kind of that day so they take your blood pressure well it's the blood pressure
25:45that day you know a lot of things is that day um and how they're looking at well rather than
25:55snapshot
25:56how they can keep track of a baseline and see how you're evolving with this baseline and so now
26:05the study said that next generation would measure like thousands of signals proteins metabolites dna fragment
26:14rna antibodies antibodies immune system signals how far are they gonna go
26:20to do a molecular baseline of your body so the other point is like more testing doesn't mean better
26:31testing or better medicine and so there's the danger of finding too much
26:42there's been uh a number of situations where they go so deep into the the mini mini mini mini you
26:52know like
26:52the the the microscopic numbers that it it starts to be like getting false positive false negative and all of
27:00that there's there's that point um what they want to do is move medicine upstream so rather than disease
27:11symptom diagnostic treatment go from what is your risk based on history let's do early detection screening
27:20or even go to the molecular change that is even before the risk prediction in other words
27:27rather than i'm not saying it it replaces but it's shifting from a doctor that was having a
27:36asking you a set of questions taking the time to understand your lifestyle what happened in the family
27:43kind of moving more towards like more testing more dna maybe molecular so is there really where is the real
27:57balance between the common sense of a doctor and the deeper deeper deeper scientific research
28:07you see where i'm going with this yeah yeah but it begs a first question which is who goes to
28:16the doctor
28:17every year i don't know anybody who goes to an annual physical family friends neighbors the only time
28:24people go to the doctor that people i know who go and and they're all pretty educated they're not you
28:29know morons uh the only time they go is if they're sick my mother-in-law the only thing i
28:34ever agreed with
28:35my mother-in-law on and she used to say go to the doctor i'm not going to the doctor
28:40they'll just find
28:41something wrong with you well that's the big part of it where but will they because if you just go
28:48for
28:49your annual physical which i think there's value to it but yeah they charge enough
28:57well some insurance not all some insurance rather pay for the checkup because it costs less than less
29:06money my husband worked for 40 years in the hospital so we never had insurance that paid for medical stuff
29:15well isn't that ironic uh yeah you have a different system you should tell people how the annual physical
29:24works where you're from americans will die in europe yes i mean in europe it is yeah it's like
29:36requested i think you know they can't force you but it's highly highly recommended and it's all free
29:43i mean all all of it and you can go as deep as you want into your preventative checks because
29:49well like i was saying earlier they rather pay for that ahead of the symptoms
29:56it's cheaper but you go into the doctor once a year regularly and they do all the disciplines all the
30:05disciplines every test you can think of right i have urology i have dermatology i have if i if i
30:15were to do that i would have to start sleeping on the sidewalk
30:21couldn't afford it well but the difference here it's like it is part of
30:29what they call socialized medicine yeah so i think it's a it's a different situation i'm sure there
30:36are are americans who go uh i know people who go regularly to the doctor but they have a history
30:44of
30:44you know cancer or whatever finally like if you have a high risk because of family you know
30:50let's say my dad my grandpa had prostate cancer well the risk would be high that i have prostate cancer
30:57just from the genetics yeah we have that same sort of basic idea in my family but uh
31:07i'll just talk about it's colonoscopy i have tons of family who died of colon cancer
31:11so i go in and have it i go in every two years but i don't go to the doctor
31:17and say it's time for
31:18my annual checkup take my blood pressure listen i don't do that unless i have symptoms i don't go to
31:23the doctor because it costs money who can afford it and the doctors have no concept of what it really
31:32costs i had a doctor once i went in for something else and i said it was like this and
31:36i said you know
31:37my scalp's been itching lately and she said well i'll order you some shampoo i thought oh good this
31:43will be nice right so i go into the pharmacy 180 dollars for a bottle of shampoo i just said
31:49no
31:50thank you so a couple years later when i went back for something else she says oh have that shampoo
31:55work
31:55for you when i told her she about fell out of her chair they don't have any concept they have
32:02no idea
32:03yeah well i we discussed this before it's it's the relationship with the family doctor is no longer
32:13there it's a lot of early health it's a lot of transactional and so then that creates a problem
32:22because they don't necessarily have the whole history yeah the whole history might be on a computer
32:28somewhere if you're lucky if you go to the same organization but may may not be and it's yeah it
32:37is a real
32:38issue so question the future of preventative yeah i know you're talking about a bigger question how
32:46how valid is it to get that intense of a look meaning because they're also false
32:58like they go so deep that
33:03and i don't really know the words but a friend of mine they're like oh my god they think i
33:09may have
33:10these and but they don't know because it's so tiny and then she was all worried where actually it was
33:17so
33:17small that they were not even sure so why tell the person
33:26well what my mother-in-law used to say if you go they'll find something wrong with you well yeah
33:32because it pays you know i i have a very cynical jaded view of medical care in this country i've
33:40seen it
33:40from both sides i think there are good individual people who provide medical care and and want to do
33:47well but the system is stacked against them and the system is stacked in the united states against ordinary
33:53people and if they can if they could get away with it they would require
34:03as intensive a set of studies as you can possibly imagine on everybody all the time oh yeah because
34:10it's profit which is the case is what i see here the eight of coins they have the economic situation
34:17whatever it's your or the the medical institution the five of ones it's a real
34:25issue like i feel like people you know your health it it it is very important it's one of the
34:30more it is
34:31the most important thing you know and it it is uh a concern um three of coins i think it
34:41goes back to
34:42the institution and the institution profit at least where the money goes and so yes there might be more
34:51of a push for preventative but is it really for their people
35:00i'm laughing at the cards like no it's not nate because i got the seven of swords they will do
35:06what
35:06they can get away with they will do as much as they can get away with i know it sounds
35:10paranoid
35:12but i think people have to under i think americans know this it's not the medical field that's running
35:18medicine it's the insurance companies and corporations right so and with that in mind the
35:25eight of cups there's just a complete disregard for well-being it's presented as i'm really concerned
35:35we want to be able to predict what's wrong with you and catch it early for a price
35:40well plus eight of cups was upside down so it's all upside down yeah yeah and the star reverse
35:47this is not you know not a good thing and then just like the last thing we did once again
35:53it's the
35:53smug corporations the nine of cups it's those self-satisfied less than one percent of the top of the
36:01the class the economic class that are benefiting from all of this and the rest of us are just
36:06guinea pigs i'll tell you what they should concentrate on and this is like people who
36:15live in glass houses but they should concentrate on on getting people to make healthy choices
36:22so that that would start with not putting all the crap that they put in food in the food that
36:29we have
36:29to buy yeah that would that would be a big help and i feel like from my point of view
36:36be more present in
36:38health services in health services in the workplace in schools in universities for the for kids and
36:47students and and workers i mean a lot of health issues happen at work yes they do you know one
36:58of the
36:58worst jobs to have for workplace injuries is nursing i cannot tell you how many nurses have back injuries
37:08yeah from work it's bad so do you know the movie uh i might get the title a little bit
37:16wrong um
37:18who to conquer next or who we're going to conquer next it was a documentary by michael moore
37:25and it was really a funny documentary because he decided to take certain social issues and compare
37:32countries around the world and get the best one and then he'd get on the airplane with an american
37:38flag around his shoulders you know oh we're going to go to that country and conquer them for their
37:43health care system and i'll never forget the section that he did about um school lunches in
37:52france do you remember that you heard you talked about it oh my god it was it was dramatically different
37:59why couldn't we do that and it has improved since then now i think there's a requirement that it needs
38:08to be organic it has requirement that it needs to be local it has it has improved since then
38:15and meanwhile in the united states ketchup is a vegetable
38:24yeah well that's a wrap that's a short one this week and next week i will be traveling so i
38:31won't be
38:31uh we won't be doing this show but guess what you can go to helen's channel and get an extra
38:39episode
38:40of something else yeah i've got something else planned yeah all right helen see you next time
38:47you got me every month thanks thanks for watching everyone bye
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