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00:00You don't have a right to take my photo, so take down your thing, take down your scarf
00:06and delete my, delete. I want to see you delete. Come on, delete it.
00:16Who is he?
00:18It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter who he is. He's in a public space. He can record all he wants.
00:23It doesn't matter. You have no right to see what he is recording.
00:28All right, well, I'm recording him. And you can do that too, but you can't stop him.
00:34You're best to probably just leave him alone.
00:44You're such a asshole.
00:53I have to ask.
01:05What? I'm just curious why you're recording because he drove me, he recorded me driving
01:10and then coming out of the store.
01:14No talking.
01:15I mean, I don't know what that means.
01:25Okay.
01:26Have a good day.
01:31I love you.
01:53Sir, can you please record us?
01:55Sir, please don't record us.
01:58That's where they're respectful, I believe.
02:00Yes.
02:01Have a good day, sir.
02:02Or ma'am, whatever you are.
02:17What's up, bro?
02:17Hello?
02:23How are you doing?
02:26Can you speak?
02:40Can you speak?
02:42No.
02:45Inshallah.
02:47Inshallah.
02:49Allahu Akbar.
02:53Okay, well, be careful because they're, they're sending the police out here.
02:59So, maybe, you understand?
03:05Bueno?
03:06Alright.
03:12Hey, sir, can I ask why you're recording everybody?
03:17Can I ask why you're recording to go?
03:27Sorry, can I be doing that on our property?
03:30No reason for you to be recording, you need to leave our property.
03:33I know they had an issue with you at the post office last week, so you need to leave our
03:36property.
03:37It's private property.
03:42I don't know.
03:47I don't know.
03:48Leave our property.
03:52This gentleman's refusing to leave.
03:54He's been trespassed.
03:55We call feeding.
03:57So, you trespass from our property.
03:59Goes to the stop sign.
04:01All the way down to the fountain.
04:03All the way up to Chili's.
04:04You need to leave our property.
04:05It's private property.
04:09Goodbye.
04:12Do not come back.
04:20He's on the way. Thank you.
04:24He's on the way. Thank you.
04:26He's on the way. Thank you.
04:27Have a good day.
04:40Oh, you're not talking to me.
04:58Shut it up, shut it up, shut it up.
04:59Okay.
05:05Do not come back.
05:07Shut it up, shut it up.
05:10You're trespassing.
05:10Shut it up, shut it up, shut it up.
05:12Do not come back.
05:13That is it.
05:27Wait, stop that.
05:34What are you doing?
05:37What are you doing?
05:38Allahu Akbar.
05:40Allahu Akbar.
06:04What are you filming?
06:08Why are you filming people?
06:18She's doing the cam back all the way over there.
06:21Oh my gosh.
06:29I wonder if she'll come over on top.
06:35Craziest thing I've ever seen in my life.
06:41Oh man, she's doing the cam back through the window.
06:46There, now she's doing that though.
06:51What's going on?
06:56Hello?
07:02Why are you videotaping me?
07:07Turn it off right now.
07:32She's bugging.
07:35Stop it.
07:36Stop it right now if she called the police.
07:38Stop it.
07:39Stop it right now if she called the police.
07:39Stop it.
07:52You're listening to the police.
07:53What are you doing?
07:54Is that the speed?
07:56What is that?
07:57No.
08:00Stop it.
08:02Stop it.
08:02Stop it.
08:02Stop it.
08:03Stop it.
08:13I first arrived here and plus I'm conducting a First Amendment protected activity standing
08:19in the publicly accessible areas.
08:22Well, that's what they're talking about.
08:23Oh, do you want to need to get your password stuff?
08:26Yeah, yeah, she gave it to me.
08:27Oh, okay.
08:28We're done?
08:29No, I'm not done.
08:31I'm still, well, I'm still documenting the building.
08:33And there's a poster seven if you're, it's a poster seven posted right there on the wall
08:38outside right there.
08:39And it allows, basically it tells you it allows us to do this.
08:42Oh, okay.
08:43Yeah.
08:43You're not, you know, like, still mind people or nothing like that?
08:46No, I mean, whatever my camera can capture, though, you know, I have to stand right here.
08:50You don't have to film my credit cards.
08:52No, but I mean, I'll be perfectly honest with you.
08:55If my camera so happens to get their credit card information, nothing's illegal about that.
09:01Intentionally?
09:01No, but I'm saying, but of course, if I'm shooting it that way, then it's possibly possible to
09:06capture it, right?
09:07Okay.
09:07Yeah.
09:09Is there a building?
09:10I know you got.
09:11I mean, you guys, let me ask you to do Woodstock having like an agreement with the, with the
09:15like federal protective services to come out and basically try to enforce federal regulations
09:20on, because this, you guys are out of jurisdiction right now.
09:24Oh, well, I know, but I'm just saying they called you guys here and you guys don't have jurisdiction
09:27on federal property.
09:28That's just respectfully.
09:29But if there is their building, they can say, like, for instance, they can kick me out if
09:32they want to.
09:32Yeah.
09:33I mean, plus you guys bringing firearms in, that's a, that's a violation right there.
09:36Federal law.
09:37So, I mean, it's.
09:37We were invited in.
09:38Yeah, but, but you see what the sign, the sign doesn't say.
09:41If you're invited, you're exempt.
09:43According to a lot of the police officers performing our job.
09:46Right.
09:46Right.
09:46We can't perform your job here.
09:48Actually, if they're asking for assistance, we're assisting them.
09:51This is federal, this is federal property, sir.
09:53What's your, what's your name in Basin?
09:54My last name was Ritz.
09:56Ritz.
09:56Like the cracker.
09:57Okay.
09:57Ritz in your Basin?
09:587-0, sir.
09:59Okay.
09:59Like if there is like a critical incident here, like obviously can I pursue or something,
10:02do you want local police to respond?
10:04Yeah, but that's, of course, something like that.
10:06I mean, something dire, of course, but that's not, that's not the issue right now.
10:13Yeah, he's a, that's a fine patriot right there, man.
10:17Yeah.
10:19He was just in here.
10:20I was having a long dialogue with him.
10:21He's a great patriot.
10:24Yeah.
10:49I'm just standing in the publicly accessible areas.
10:51Wherever it's, wherever the public's allowed to be, that's where I'll be.
10:54I get it.
10:54So, but aside from that, we did have a second caller.
10:56I can actually show you the candle saying someone's like a civilian, not being able to
10:59say that they felt uncomfortable because you were filming them.
11:02I can understand how they feel, but again, that's not against the law.
11:05Right.
11:06So, you know, I'm, I'm, I'm sorry you guys even have to come out here and waste time
11:09for this.
11:09No, so, like I said, you guys are just going to come anyway, just to make sure everyone's
11:13being, you know.
11:15Oh, so a sergeant's coming?
11:17Yeah, I'm actually coming, so he's coming.
11:18Is it, is it, what's this, is it bronze?
11:20How do you say his last name?
11:21Sergeant?
11:21That's a sergeant with a last name that start with B and R.
11:25Something like that.
11:26Sergeant Dolan's coming.
11:27Oh, okay.
11:28Sorry, I'm in the way, we're in the way, we're talking.
11:30I just need a space.
11:31Yeah, so this is, yeah, this is the lady, I think her name was Rose.
11:35Yeah, she gave me my, um, applications for her passport, so, first it was all good,
11:41and then she turned out to be, uh, not too good.
11:45Well, she just started, um, bickering about being on camera, same thing, Addy, Aggie, was
11:49doing.
11:50I mean, we're still in each other now, so it's kind of like.
11:53It don't make sense, though.
11:54Look, if you look right there in the ceiling, they got two cameras pointing down on them
11:56right now, so.
11:57It just doesn't make sense.
11:59But like I was saying, man, you guys, you know, you guys are even out of jurisdiction.
12:02Even when the sergeant come, I'm going to convey it to him as well.
12:05Right, right, right.
12:06No, it's, like I said, they call for service, we have to come, and we're invited in, so.
12:12Yeah, but I mean, you know, in terms of that law, in terms of you guys bringing a gun in,
12:16it doesn't say you exempt if you're invited in.
12:18It specifically says you can't bring firearms in.
12:21Not like you said, if someone had an active shooter or something, of course you guys are
12:23going to come in, but that's not the case.
12:26You get what I'm saying, so.
12:27No, I get it.
12:28No, no.
12:29Sergeant Dolan, I don't know if the other one you may have spoke to in the past as well.
12:34Sergeant Dolan?
12:34I've been willing to test over the yard, so I don't know.
12:37Oh, okay.
12:38Yeah, I forgot his name, but I already had, I kind of, to be honest with you, I had a
12:43bad run in with you guys already, man, with the Woodstock Police Department, so.
12:46What was it for?
12:47Ah, man, you, I mean, what's, what's, you, you'll know, I mean, you, it was just recently,
12:52I mean, it's, it's, it's real huge right now, I'm surprised, how long have you been on the
12:55forest?
12:57Four and a half, five something.
12:58Years?
12:59Oh, okay, well, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, well, yeah, definitely, uh, definitely, I know about
13:04it, man.
13:04You know, I'm actually getting ready to hike over there as soon as I leave here, so.
13:07Oh, okay.
13:08Yeah.
13:11I'll go, I'll go where he didn't say.
13:12Uh, police department.
13:14Do you see him?
13:14He wants to counter.
13:15Oh, there he is.
13:16He wants to call.
13:17Oh.
13:19He said he's taking his five.
13:20How long, how long have you been on the forest, officer?
13:2219 years.
13:2219 years.
13:23Oh, so, so, so let me ask you, in terms of Woodstock Police Department, how many sergeants
13:27do you guys have?
13:29I have to count.
13:30Two, four, six, seven.
13:33We had seven?
13:34I think it is.
13:36You know, I think.
13:37The reason, the reason why I'm saying I'm trying to remember the sergeant that I had an
13:40encounter with, and his last name starts with a B. It's like B-R, like Sergeant Bronson,
13:44or.
13:44I think that would be Sergeant Plannum.
13:46There you go.
13:47Him right there.
13:47Are you familiar with that, Sergeant?
13:48He's more knowledgeable than I'm working on it.
13:50Yeah, so it's him.
13:52Oh, okay.
13:53Yeah, that's the sergeant I had to encounter with.
13:55Dolan said he was.
13:56Oh, I didn't hear that.
13:57Yeah.
13:57No, no, I called and said, you know, like, because I didn't know what the call was about.
14:01He just wanted me to be out there.
14:02Dolan is, because we had the one young man come out here who was filming, and Dolan had
14:07a chat with him about what they can and can't do.
14:10Oh, okay.
14:10So he's familiar?
14:11He's familiar with law.
14:12Sergeant Dolan.
14:13Yeah.
14:14I think he just pulled up.
14:15Yeah, he's familiar with the law, and I was interacting with him as well.
14:18Okay.
14:18That young man that day, and we kind of told him what the feds say, Kenny, can't go on
14:22here.
14:23Right.
14:23Right.
14:24So as far as I understand it, anything outside of this door, because there's no personal information,
14:29all that, you can record out there.
14:30Once you come in here, you're in kind of an area where you can capture people's personal
14:33information, and they have the right to restrict you from filming in here, just like
14:35the DMV in this.
14:36Well, the DMV.
14:37The Woodstock.
14:37Well, you know what?
14:39I'm kind of battling that right now.
14:41Yeah, and I understand that, but according to the Secretary of State's office, you can't film
14:45in there because of the personal nature of the information that people are giving out, and it
14:47could be calling camera.
14:48That's true.
14:49Whether or not that's federally protected or not, that's for the feds to figure out.
14:52That's for the state to figure out.
14:53Yeah, because we're challenging that right now.
14:54Yeah, because they just asked us to come out because they're saying there's a problem.
14:57Yeah, so we're actually challenging that right now in terms of the DMV, because I just
15:01had some problems with you guys out there about a month and a half ago.
15:04Oh, did you?
15:04Yeah, just recently.
15:07But I understand the cameras might capture somebody's info, but it's what you do with
15:11the info that makes it illegal, not just simply capturing it.
15:13Correct.
15:14Oh, there you go.
15:15Yeah, there you go.
15:16The man in question.
15:18Yeah, yeah.
15:19So both sergeants are here.
15:20Well, since both sergeants are here, I'm going to excuse myself from the situation.
15:22All right, for sure.
15:24Sergeant, can I get you a name and badge on me?
15:26No, no, no.
15:26He's a tyrant.
15:29He's a tyrant.
15:31Y'all say that's Sergeant Dolan, right?
15:33Yeah.
15:33He came in instantaneously being a tyrant, man.
15:40So, yeah, that's the, y'all remember, that's the sergeant right there that violated my rights
15:44that day, man, at the Woodstock DMV, man.
15:48That's him right there.
15:52So, yep, that's him right there.
15:56I see you, man.
15:58There's a sergeant, Dolan, came in to be a tyrant.
16:06Okay.
16:10Man, y'all coming here today to try to wage war on my rights, man?
16:13No.
16:14Okay.
16:15I was just letting your other officers know that nobody's being federal property, man.
16:18Y'all ain't got no jurisdiction up here, man.
16:20Okay.
16:21I'm just making sure.
16:27You want to, are you not going in?
16:29No, I don't, I've got me too.
16:31Oh, okay.
16:32You don't have the right to be able to watch that.
16:36Okay.
16:36You have the right to record, or you don't have the right to record, or you can see people's
16:39connections and have their identities on this.
17:06I would caution him not to do that.
17:14Good to go, right?
17:15Come on out and talk to us, please.
17:16We can talk right here.
17:18What do you mean, no?
17:20Why can't I talk right here?
17:21Why not?
17:21You just heard the woman.
17:22I didn't just hear anything.
17:23Yeah.
17:24Okay.
17:24Well, they do not want you videotaping in here.
17:26Okay.
17:27Okay.
17:27Well, there's nobody in here for me to get their information at this moment.
17:30No one.
17:32I'd rather sit here.
17:33Why are you being so difficult?
17:34How am I being difficult?
17:35Because I won't follow basically what you're trying to, how is it a lawful order?
17:39Is it ill?
17:39So is it unlawful?
17:41Is it unlawful?
17:42What?
17:43She needs to get out.
17:43She can get out?
17:45No problem.
17:46And she gets out the way, by your door.
17:49So my thing is this, Sergeant Dolan.
17:51Exactly.
17:52I don't want to talk out there.
17:53I don't even, I don't even got nothing to talk to you guys about.
17:55I'll be perfectly honest with you.
17:56They don't want you in there.
17:57It's their policies.
17:58Come on out.
17:59Sir, let me, let me just say this, man.
18:00If it, I'm not doing nothing illegal.
18:02Okay.
18:03There's a poster seven right behind you guys that's letting you guys know as well as them
18:06that I have a right to do it.
18:07If you guys want to wage war on my rights today, fine.
18:11Y'all already under investigation for the first incident.
18:14What'd you say?
18:14Where's this poster?
18:15It's right there.
18:15Where?
18:16What poster?
18:17It's literally right here.
18:19Matter of fact, it's right here.
18:19Poster seven.
18:21Want to read it?
18:22Yeah, read it.
18:23No, you can read it.
18:24You're not interested in reading it.
18:25You just want to come here and be a, just be tyrannical.
18:28Oh, that's what you want to do.
18:29That's what it looks like.
18:30I just showed it to you.
18:30You're telling me to read it to you, man.
18:31That's a professional.
18:32Why don't you read it?
18:33You're not interested.
18:35They don't want you in there.
18:36It doesn't matter.
18:36Why don't you follow the rules?
18:37What you mean?
18:38I follow the law.
18:39The rules is that they don't want you in there because of personal information.
18:42Okay.
18:42So what about these rules?
18:43You can videotape in here all you want.
18:44I can videotape in here as well.
18:46No.
18:46Absolutely.
18:47I can, sir.
18:48No.
18:48I mean, I'm going to go to the postmaster.
18:50Go to the police.
18:51Yeah, there you go.
18:52That's, that's, that's right.
18:53Because you guys ought to get jurisdiction anyway.
18:55That's what you need to call.
18:56FPS.
18:58What do you mean?
19:02Whoa, man.
19:08Man, that's what y'all got to call.
19:09FPS, man.
19:11FPS has jurisdiction.
19:15That's jurisdiction.
19:21This officer right here, he's reading the poster, seven, obviously.
19:25No, no, that's great.
19:26That's great.
19:27That's, I'm glad that you are.
19:31Yeah, I'm glad that you're even willing to.
19:35Wow.
19:35Sergeants don't, not even interested, man.
19:37This is, this is the, this is the reason why, uh, someone requested me to come back to the city,
19:42man.
19:42Can you point it out, though?
19:43I'm here, like, reading about an exception for them recording you.
19:46Okay.
19:47You see where it says photographs for news?
19:49I'm over here.
19:50Oh, okay.
19:50Yeah, right there.
19:51That paragraph right there.
19:56Do you know the name of the sergeant?
20:24Okay, you two guys can't make case law.
20:27Do you know the definition of case law?
20:29Of course.
20:30Tell me what it is.
20:31I know precisely what it is.
20:33You know what?
20:34When we make arrests, that's how case law gets made.
20:36When there's new information and new laws get made, a judge...
20:38There you go.
20:39There you go.
20:39Right there.
20:40You see what you just said?
20:40Yeah, we start the whole process of it.
20:42Okay, real quick.
20:43Making case law.
20:43You just said making new laws, right?
20:46Correct.
20:47Just I don't want to know who makes laws.
20:49Illinois.
20:50The judges.
20:51They determine what's right and what's wrong.
20:52What's going to be a law...
20:53Legislators, right?
20:54That's the appropriate word.
20:55My point is, are you two legislators?
20:58That's all I want to know.
20:59No, but we start the case law process.
21:02Well, you can say that, but don't say you make the laws.
21:05We never said you make the laws.
21:06He just said it.
21:06He said we make case law.
21:08Case law.
21:08Right.
21:09Case by case basis, which creates the laws.
21:11Okay, case law is just...
21:12The word case is just the prefix of the whole thing of...
21:14Yeah, but we never want to say we make the laws.
21:16Well, he said make case law.
21:18That's still law.
21:19Correct, but it makes other cases.
21:21That's correct.
21:22That we have our hands in.
21:23So let me ask you this.
21:24You're saying every...
21:25Just say when you guys make arrests, right?
21:27When you guys make arrests, say you make 2,000 arrests a year.
21:30Are there 2,000 new case laws created?
21:33No.
21:33Exactly.
21:34So what do we say, man?
21:35That this could be a potential new case law that we would be directly involved in is what we do.
21:40Yeah, but my point is you guys don't make it.
21:43That's all I'm saying.
21:43I never said we make the laws.
21:44He did.
21:45No, he did not.
21:46He did.
21:46No, he did not.
21:46He did.
21:47No, he did not.
21:47Go ahead.
21:47Look, look, look.
21:48See, look, now look.
21:49You saltier than a peanut off.
21:51Look, I know you just said that.
21:53James, I'm speaking to you, right?
21:55Yeah.
21:56I use that phrase.
21:56Right.
21:57But you don't, though.
21:57You're just the police officer.
21:59Legislators do, but you don't.
22:00All right, so you're fissionally right.
22:03I mean, no one asked me.
22:04We're asking you to leave, and you're refusing to leave, correct?
22:07Asking me to leave.
22:08Like I just told you, I'm going to say this.
22:10I'm going to say it like I just said to them.
22:11After I get my shots, I'm going to leave.
22:13After your shots, whatever.
22:14Yeah, after I get a couple more shots.
22:16Oh, gotcha.
22:17I got that side already and got the center, so I'm done here.
22:20You're under the impression that you can videotape, correct, here?
22:24It's a law that you can't, only way you can't record is people's, I mean, the testing sites.
22:28Right, but there's no way to prove that on our end because the cell phones are so good, right?
22:31Okay, so what the Secretary of State Police made clear to me is that the Secretary of
22:35State's office is not considered a public fora because there's so much sensitive information
22:39in the facility.
22:40So they have a detective coming out here right now so they can explain it better than we
22:44can.
22:44Okay.
22:45If you choose not to leave, they can arrest you for criminal trespassing to state support
22:49property.
22:50I'm just explaining what they explained to me.
22:52Okay.
22:52Well, your sergeant is on the way as well, right?
22:54Yeah, but they have their sergeant.
22:55They'll take...
22:56Well, what I mean by your sergeant, because you guys are law enforcement, a law enforcement
23:00as well.
23:01So same thing at the post office.
23:02Well, what did the message do?
23:03The postmaster says something.
23:05We have to do it, even to us.
23:07That's how the post office becomes federal protective service.
23:10FBS.
23:10But this is the Secretary of State Police.
23:13So these guys, these guys will have jurisdiction over us here.
23:18So I'm explaining it to you before they come here because if they do come here and they do,
23:21well, I can tell them, we explained to them that you've been recording before.
23:34So let me just get this right.
23:36You're saying it's case law specifically for the DMV.
23:40Correct.
23:42Secretary of State's Office.
23:44Okay, specifically.
23:45And after they come here and ask me to leave, because they're going to ask me to leave.
23:50They're asking us to ask you to leave.
23:52But if you choose not to, they're coming out here.
23:54They're coming out here regardless.
23:55Okay, well, watch this.
23:56You guys are asking.
23:57It's not a lawful order to leave, correct?
23:59Yeah.
24:00Okay.
24:00So since it's an ask, then I'm going to decline because I feel like I'm exercising my rights.
24:04However, if they come here and do the same precise thing, and I say that same thing to
24:08them, and they force me to leave, then, I mean, we know what's going to go on after that.
24:12We already know everybody's qualified.
24:13Immunity goes straight out the window because these are well-established laws.
24:17That's the only way.
24:18I just explained to you, though.
24:20I understand.
24:20I understand.
24:21It's not considered a public court.
24:22Okay.
24:23Okay.
24:23Well, we'll see.
24:24But that's what I'm saying.
24:25There is case law for that.
24:26I'm explaining it to you.
24:27I'm trying to give you a heads up before you get arrested for a stupid felony.
24:31You know what I'm saying?
24:32Okay.
24:33You don't need to.
24:33Like I said, we'll see.
24:35You're doing your job.
24:36Right, right.
24:36It's all good.
24:37And I've offered to show you.
24:38I can show you.
24:38Oh, you got it on you right now?
24:39Okay.
24:40Yeah, let's see.
24:41And it has to specify to the Secretary of State's office, right?
24:44Okay.
24:45Just because of the personal nature of what's being transacted.
24:48Like, we discussed this entire time.
24:50You know what?
24:50They can do that everywhere.
24:52Post office.
24:53Let me show you real quick.
24:55And if you don't mind, can you not show that on this because it's my phone?
24:57So, I'm asking.
24:58I'm showing you.
24:59Come on, man.
24:59So, you can explain it to you.
25:00I'm offering to show it, but I don't want my phone in your phone.
25:04While I'm reading it.
25:04Correct.
25:05Okay.
25:05You know what?
25:05I'm going to keep this rolling, though, but I'll keep it.
25:07Okay.
25:07Absolutely.
25:09There you go.
25:10Can you read it out loud?
25:11Yeah, sure.
25:11Okay.
25:12So, however, the First Amendment is not absolute in SOS.
25:16Secretary of State has maintained that the Secretary of State facilities are not traditionally
25:20public for inappropriate regulations of speech and appropriate and within the lawful authority
25:24of the Secretary of State.
25:26Secretary of State's facility is no less than a private owner of property and has the power
25:30to preserve the property under its control for the use of which it is lawfully dedicated.
25:34Okay?
25:35So, these are the case laws.
25:36They're going to take you.
25:37Okay.
25:37This is the case law, this is under.
25:38Let me scroll to the next one.
25:40Therefore, in order to prevent the SOS facilities from becoming the traditional public forum,
25:43which I explain to you it's not, videotaping of any kind by persons inside a fiddle sheet
25:47should not be allowed.
25:48Okay.
25:49Like I have explained to you, if we ask you to leave within the facility, then you can
25:53be arrested for criminal trespassing under that statute.
25:56Well, Scott, because you haven't showed me that part of it.
25:59Yeah, this is the criminal statute right here.
26:02Okay, pursuant to 720 ILCS 5-21-5.
26:06Okay, let me read the topic.
26:08Yeah, yeah, go ahead.
26:10If after getting a notice, the individual continues to videotip.
26:15Can you scroll a little over a little bit?
26:16Huh?
26:17Yeah, this one.
26:18Yeah, this one.
26:18Really?
26:18Well, over here, so I can read the rest of it.
26:21Yeah.
26:34Okay, notice there's an element of this offense, and therefore it is imperative that notice
26:39be given prior to asking the person to leave the facility.
26:44You see, it's filming it.
26:48How you doing, Sergeant?
26:49What's going on?
26:50How are you?
26:50Nothing much.
26:51It's like I've been trying to tell these young fine officers, man, since we've been here.
26:54I'm doing nothing nefarious.
26:56I don't have any ill intent.
26:57Just trying to exercise my rights, right?
26:59However, Officer Mazur.
27:01Mazur.
27:02Officer Mazur showed me something on his phone that has a case loss attached to it.
27:07Only thing I have.
27:07Specifically, Worsett Care State's office.
27:10So what it does say is that you can be detained.
27:13It does.
27:14But you showed me it says that.
27:15Correct.
27:16So you can be detained for it, but then if you choose not to leave or reply, then we can
27:19arrest
27:20you for criminal trespass to a state-supported property.
27:22Well, that's the thing, though, when we talk about in terms of law enforcement, right?
27:25In order to detain someone, you have to have reasonable, articulable suspicion that a crime
27:30is afoot.
27:30All right.
27:31This is not a crime.
27:32You're not allowed to record on government, inside government property.
27:35That's according to this, the 11th Circuit Court rule of that.
27:39Which is the same case.
27:40The same one I just showed you.
27:41And this is right here, basically, government property, so you keep recording.
27:44You can stand right out here all you want and record all you want, but you can't do it
27:47inside the building.
27:48Sergeant, I'm going to be honest with you.
27:49I do this all over the place.
27:50And I do it in all government buildings.
27:53Some officers come here and understand our rights, some don't.
27:57Maybe you guys are just missing form.
27:58Well, they're asking you if you can go outside.
28:01So, let me explain to you, this section isn't considered public form.
28:04Like, they've made that clear in that case.
28:06That's why I'm telling you, you don't leave.
28:08The publicly accessible areas is not considered public.
28:10Public form, correct.
28:12Which is what you're referring to when it comes to the first amendment.
28:14Okay.
28:15Okay.
28:16So, if I'm being asked to leave, right?
28:19Because I'm being asked.
28:19Great.
28:20Okay.
28:20I'm asking you to leave after the month because I don't want to have to tell you,
28:24and then we know where that goes from there.
28:25Well, I mean, if you give me a lawful order to leave because I'm recording,
28:30then I'm definitely going to leave and go file a complaint.
28:33We're going to wait for an actual secretary of state police officer to tell you.
28:36We're asking you.
28:37Right.
28:38They're going to come in.
28:38They're going to ask you.
28:39They're going to ask me.
28:40Right.
28:41I mean, if they do, then we'll take it from, like I say, every officer involved.
28:46The protection is not the window.
28:48I offered you, you know what I'm saying, the case law.
28:49I showed it to you.
28:50I mean, I would really have to look at that entire case, though,
28:54because I know, you know, that's like a short summary of what happened.
28:58It's not like the entire case.
28:59You know, you get what I'm saying?
29:00So you have to basically read the entire thing to see the verbiage,
29:05all verbiage and language in there.
29:07Because, like I said, I do this all over.
29:09I can just start this today.
29:10Well, that's just the verdict.
29:12No, that wasn't a verdict at all.
29:14Officer Mazur?
29:16The summary of the whole case.
29:18Nah.
29:19Nah, nah, nah.
29:20It wasn't a verdict, though, at all.
29:22It's okay.
29:23You just misspoke.
29:24Okay.
29:26Like I said, I would have to literally read it, man,
29:29because, like I said, I do this all over, man.
29:31Well, you said you only know that.
29:32What do you do?
29:33What are we talking about government buildings?
29:35What other government buildings?
29:37Oh, man, numerous of them.
29:40I know I'm just going to know what the sergeant said.
29:41The sergeant said you can't record in government buildings.
29:43Correct.
29:45So I was rebuttal.
29:47Which buildings have you gone to?
29:49Man, a lot of buildings, like municipal buildings,
29:52municipal center, city halls.
29:55Yes.
29:56That's a bit different, then.
29:58It's definitely government, though.
29:59The city hall doesn't have people's information.
30:01Social security office.
30:03Which social security office?
30:04Public aid.
30:05Which social security office?
30:06Few of them.
30:07Which ones?
30:07Just a few.
30:08I mean, what does it matter?
30:11I'm just telling you which ones I'm...
30:12I'm just curious.
30:13You're saying you have all this experience.
30:15I do.
30:15You have no issues, but you can't tell me which ones.
30:17Well, I've had issues.
30:18Like I told this officer,
30:18there's some officers that come out in Honordaleve.
30:20So not all officers are bad.
30:22Which ones?
30:23That's a lot of them.
30:24It's just a lot.
30:25Few.
30:26You don't remember any of them?
30:26I don't remember all of them, but I mean, just...
30:28Well, I'm curious.
30:29Maybe we became more like them.
30:30No, no.
30:31You guys are probably too far in, man.
30:33You probably got your mind set on how you want to care about, you know, policing.
30:35Well, we're just following a separate state law.
30:37Oh, okay.
30:38Okay.
30:39Well, like I say, if it is, in fact, a law, which that right there, that's, like I said,
30:44it was a quick summary of what happened.
30:45I would need the entire...
30:47You know, because sometimes you have case law, but you'll have a judge that says a certain
30:50something.
30:51Yeah, but if it's a case law, you can go off.
30:52I mean, you know.
30:54I guess...
30:55Put it like this.
30:56Put it like this.
30:57Like, if I'm at the post office, right?
30:58And they say...
30:58That's different.
30:59No, I'm trying to just make a point real quick, because they say you can't record...
31:02You can't record in certain spots, right?
31:05Just for criminal trespass to...
31:10And it said detained, too, so...
31:16Right?
31:16Isn't that correct, Officer Mason?
31:18It says detained.
31:18Okay.
31:19Yeah.
31:20Just making sure.
31:21Word is in there.
31:25Man, man, it's just crazy, man.
31:30Yeah, like I said, I've spoken to Springfield about this.
31:32You would think they would know over them guys, and they told me I was good to go.
31:37So...
31:37And get it in right next time.
31:38I'm just saying, like...
31:39You went down to Springfield?
31:41No.
31:42Just a phone call.
31:44You know, you don't have to drive all the way to Springfield.
31:47They're not going to give you permission to do something that's against the island with
31:50the pile of statutes.
31:52I mean...
31:53So...
31:54Okay, so...
31:54All right.
31:55I suppose I understand, right?
31:56Well, I don't...
31:56I mean...
31:58They're bosses, huh?
31:59Secretary of State Police bosses.
32:01They don't get to go against the case law.
32:04Well, something's wrong, man.
32:07Something's wrong.
32:08Because, like I say, they actually told me, yeah, you're good to go.
32:12You know?
32:13So...
32:13Something's wrong.
32:17You can't...
32:17You know, basically...
32:18You know what they say about law in itself?
32:21You can't...
32:22Like, you can't convert a constitutionally protected right into a crime.
32:25So, let's just say...
32:27Because I haven't read that entire law.
32:28But let's just say that law is specifically...
32:31But this is what you do.
32:32So, why did it happen to you?
32:33Why haven't I read it?
32:34Yeah.
32:35Because I don't think that it really...
32:37Think about it.
32:37I'm going to answer it.
32:38The reason why I haven't read that law...
32:40Because, first of all, I didn't think that law existed.
32:42And since...
32:43Let's just say that it do exist...
32:44And what you guys are saying that it should stand...
32:46It still will never go against the constitution.
32:48It's null and void, sir.
32:51You can't create a law that violates people's rights.
32:53You can't.
32:54It'd be null and void at the end of the day.
32:57Hey, like I told you...
32:58If the officers...
32:59If the secretary of state officers come here...
33:01And try to wage war on my rights...
33:04Hey, we just go from there.
33:06If they order me to leave...
33:08Like, we're going to leave...
33:09If you don't...
33:09Sir, if you don't leave, we're going to arrest you?
33:11That's all I need.
33:12Now I got standing.
33:13That's it.
33:14You guys can tell me that right now and I'll leave.
33:18But obviously, you know, that's...
33:20That's cutting it pretty close.
33:22So, we'll see what they do.
33:23Maybe they won't care about it.
33:25I don't know.
33:26You know, protection is good.
33:28Because that's usually how it go.
33:30Someone exercise a right.
33:32They're violated.
33:33Then maybe you have litigation.
33:35And when the judge sees that these laws are well established...
33:38There's no qualified immunity.
33:39So, it's up to them.
33:41I mean, I can use the extra money.
33:47It comes out the taxpayers' dollars.
33:49But, well, it comes out you guys' dollars if the qualifier goes away.
33:52Oh, yeah, yeah.
33:53You like them?
33:54They red bottoms.
33:55You ever heard of them?
33:57I heard red bottoms.
33:58New England Times?
33:58Yeah.
33:59So, here's what's going to happen.
34:01Is that I talked to the Secretary of State.
34:03Okay.
34:04Police secured the law.
34:05Okay.
34:05It's going to send over the exact statute and everything that's been relevant.
34:09Okay.
34:09The license statute and stuff like that.
34:11Okay.
34:11And after I look at that, I'll make sure that everything's, like, what violation and everything
34:16like that, they're going to ask you one more time if that's not the place that I'm going
34:19to have to put you on.
34:20Okay?
34:21Okay.
34:22Let me just say this.
34:22But I want to read the statute first so I know exactly which one they're talking about.
34:26Okay.
34:26So, there's no confusion about it since this is their specialty and stuff like that.
34:30At that point in time, then I ask you to leave.
34:31If it were, if it was them, then the FOIA violations, I'll be done with them because ultimately.
34:38I would suggest an additional FOIA request if you're looking for further information about what
34:50that letter provided, that would be my guess.
34:55The letter that I received from Linda?
34:56The letter you received from Linda, right?
34:57Well, that's what I'm saying.
34:59I'm not really.
35:01Okay.
35:02I put the complaint in with you.
35:03So, put it like this.
35:05Where is it still being investigated?
35:08That is still being worked on.
35:10Okay.
35:13So, who, because it's been a while, you know, no one has contacted me in terms of those
35:21specific violations from those personnel.
35:23So, and obviously you see that I'm still documenting in the Lake County Health Department.
35:28So, I just wanted to make sure because I'm going to go back to the North Chicago site.
35:33And if they're there, then we don't want anything to arise again.
35:37You know what I mean?
35:38In terms of violations.
35:40So, that's my main thing for trying to come in to confirm, you know.
35:45What do you suggest?
35:47Just keep following up with you guys here.
35:50Yeah, let me, let me look into the other, the other piece.
35:55Okay.
35:56And, yeah.
35:58But, the other.
36:00Well, I, yeah.
36:03That, that, that's really all I can say.
36:05That's really all I know at this point.
36:06Okay.
36:09So.
36:10I mean, I, I was just, I don't know what that was, I mean, like I said, if it's, you
36:14know.
36:15Well, you're, you're asking about the, the, whoever was in, who's referenced in the letter, right?
36:20And if that's not really, I mean, it's not the same people.
36:23Right.
36:23Then I, then you and I talked about.
36:24That's exactly right.
36:25If so, then there's no need for me to follow up with a FOIA violation because they're, they're ultimately, you
36:30know what I mean?
36:30I mean, I can ask, I don't know what, I don't, I don't know.
36:34Oh, you don't know, have any knowledge.
36:36Well, you're, you're asking about a potential, it's, it's really kind of a FOIA related question.
36:41Is it?
36:42Not really.
36:42Well, you're asking if the name of the people involved that are.
36:48Terminated.
36:49In the letter.
36:50Right.
36:50That's, it's not really FOIA related, especially they're not with, especially if they're not with, like it says in the
36:55letter, they're not employees of the Lake County Health Department anymore.
36:58It wouldn't be FOIA related at all.
37:00They're not even, and you guys as employees, you know what I mean?
37:02They don't even work here no more.
37:04Well, then I, I guess I don't know what you're asking.
37:06I'm not sure I understand what you're asking, so.
37:09I'm just basically trying to confirm.
37:10Maybe I need to figure that out.
37:12Well, I'm just basically just trying to confirm, um, out of the three personnel that were fired, who, who, who,
37:18what's their names?
37:19Right.
37:19So that's, that would be a, isn't that a FOIA request?
37:22I don't think so.
37:23Because they don't work for you guys anymore, right?
37:25That's like me coming here asking, um, it's kind of like coming here, uh, filling out a FOIA request.
37:30For, for personal information.
37:32It's, I can only ask for public information.
37:34They're not public employees anymore.
37:36So it wouldn't be FOIA related.
37:37Okay.
37:39And I think you need to ask Linda that question.
37:41Oh, you don't know.
37:42I don't know.
37:43Really?
37:43Oh, I wonder why.
37:44I don't know if that information is something that you can have.
37:47I, I don't know.
37:48Really?
37:48Well, it wasn't in the letter, right?
37:50What, but, but.
37:51I'm not the privacy officer.
37:53You came to see Linda.
37:54Right.
37:55Linda sent you the letter.
37:56That's correct.
37:56And suggested that you contact her if you have further questions.
37:59I understand that.
38:00She's, she's available by phone.
38:02Mm-hmm.
38:03I understand.
38:04Right.
38:04So I would suggest following up with her via phone or email since you were told downstairs
38:08that she's remote today.
38:10That would be my.
38:10But Tamara's offered me to come up here and speak to one of you guys.
38:13That'd be, that'd be my suggestion.
38:14So, obviously, one of you guys could help me as well, right?
38:19I mean, you seem kind of reluctant to help.
38:22I mean, you did come out to have a dialogue with me, but you don't want to disclose any
38:27information without me following a FOIA that has.
38:29I don't know.
38:30I don't, I don't know if I'm at liberty to, to respond.
38:34Really?
38:34Yeah, I don't.
38:36Wow.
38:36So is there anyone here that you could probably, like.
38:40Linda's the privacy officer.
38:41Right.
38:41Linda's the one who sent you the letter.
38:43And if you have a question, Linda instructed you in the letter to ask her what your questions
38:48are.
38:48That would be my, that's my recommendation.
38:51To talk to Linda.
38:52Okay.
38:53Which is what the letter said.
38:55And tells.
38:55But, but like I said, the young lady on the second floor, Tamara, just offered me to come
39:00up here and speak to either you or Mr. Mr. Nordstrom.
39:02Okay.
39:03So, obviously, that has some weight.
39:05If I could speak to you guys, Linda, we don't need to speak to Linda.
39:09That's why I'm up.
39:10I'm not the privacy officer.
39:12Linda's the privacy officer.
39:13Linda's the one who sent you the letter.
39:15Maybe Tamara thought I could help.
39:17You can't help.
39:18I don't have any additional information.
39:20Okay.
39:20So let me ask you this, Mr.
39:22Orner.
39:22When would you get back to me about my violations and complaint that I filed with you personally?
39:31When will I get back to you?
39:33Yeah.
39:33I don't know.
39:35Come on, Mr. Orner, man.
39:36Come on, man.
39:37Come on now.
39:39When would you like me to get back to you?
39:40I mean, as soon as you can.
39:42It's been over a month, right?
39:43That we met.
39:43I will get back to you as soon as I can.
39:47Okay.
39:50Go ahead.
39:51Well, how about the end of this week?
39:53I mean, if you're asking me to give you a time frame.
39:55Are you asking for that?
39:57You seem kind of nonchalant, though.
39:59I'll get back to you by the end of the week.
40:00Okay.
40:01Well, we'll try for the end of this week.
40:02And when would Mr. Jerry Nordstrom be in?
40:04I don't have.
40:05I don't know.
40:06Is there a way she can probably tell me?
40:07His receptionist right here.
40:08She can tell me, right?
40:09I don't know.
40:10I don't know if she has his calendar.
40:13Mr. Orner, come on, man.
40:14You seem real.
40:16You seem kind of evasive, man.
40:18You think I know everything.
40:20Is it the camera?
40:21Is it the camera?
40:23Well, I mean, you'll have to be.
40:25You know, you guys haven't done anything.
40:26I don't have Jerry's calendar.
40:29Okay.
40:30I can understand that.
40:31I appreciate that.
40:31I don't know if they have his calendar.
40:34They may have his calendar.
40:35They might.
40:36I can't speak for them whether or not they have his calendar.
40:39Okay.
40:40Well, I mean, I asked you because I know you obviously were directly witness to Nordstrom.
40:44So, you know, I would think you would know before them.
40:47Well, he's my boss's boss.
40:50Okay.
40:51Your boss's boss.
40:53So, your boss, is it Cindy?
40:55No.
40:56My boss is Lorraine Harris.
40:57Lorraine Harris.
40:58She's the HR director.
40:59Is she here today?
41:00She's out of town.
41:02Okay.
41:02So, she's not here today.
41:03Okay.
41:04When will she be available?
41:05Because we got to expedite this thing, Mr. Orner.
41:08This is, you know, this is very significant that we get these things rectified.
41:12You know what I mean?
41:13Sure.
41:13I mean, rights were violated.
41:16And we can't let that just...
41:17You got the letter.
41:18Yeah.
41:19I did.
41:20I received the letter.
41:20You got the letter from the privacy officer.
41:22That's correct.
41:24Which asks you to contact her if you have questions.
41:26And I did today.
41:27And she's not here.
41:29And I was offered up to speak to one of you guys.
41:31Obviously, I wouldn't even be up here.
41:32I mean, I don't have answers because I didn't send you the letter.
41:37But you're saying, though, that you don't know which personnel from the Lake County Health Department that was terminated.
41:41You don't know.
41:42You don't have that information.
41:44I don't have that information.
41:45Oh, you don't have that information.
41:46Okay.
41:47Well, you know what?
41:47I'm going to do this just to make sure since I'm here.
41:52I'm going to take you up on your offer and just file a FOIA for that information.
41:56Because even though I think it's not FOIA related, because they're not public employees anymore.
42:01And FOIA requests are for public information.
42:03But under your direction.
42:06You're suggesting that I file out a FOIA for that information.
42:09Is that correct?
42:12That is what I said.
42:13Okay.
42:14I'm going to roll the tape back.
42:15That is what I said.
42:16Okay.
42:17Well, I'm just making sure.
42:18Because, you know, it doesn't make.
42:19I'm just offering that as a suggestion.
42:20That's a suggestion.
42:21Okay.
42:23But there's no guarantee that I'll receive the information even if I file out a FOIA.
42:27I'm not a FOIA expert.
42:30Oh, but you know the laws when they come to FOIA.
42:33You even conveyed to me and agreed that when someone works here and pulls out their camera phone and record
42:38me, that becomes a public record.
42:40And you know what?
42:41Everybody else here didn't know that.
42:42So you're more of an expert than everybody else here.
42:45Thanks.
42:47For sure.
42:49So, you know, I'll just get a FOIA, another FOIA, fill it out, and can I hand it to you
42:53or?
42:53You can leave it at the front.
42:55Okay.
42:56You know, like I said, I'm not a FOIA expert.
42:59Okay.
43:00I appreciate the compliment.
43:02But I don't know if, you know, the letter that you received from Linda, you did a FOIA request to
43:09request further information about that letter.
43:11Correct.
43:12I don't know the nuances enough about FOIA to know if that's FOIA-able or not.
43:19Oh, okay.
43:19You don't know, right.
43:21And I wouldn't be the one to review that and make that decision.
43:24That's not what I do.
43:26Mr. Nordstrom does.
43:28Obviously, he's the FOIA officer here.
43:29He is the FOIA officer, the compliance officer.
43:33Okay.
43:34If he needs help, there's attorneys in the state's attorney's office.
43:38Right.
43:39Okay.
43:39They can respond to questions.
43:40Well, they can't.
43:41They wouldn't be able to handle his question, though, at all.
43:44Especially not the state's attorney's office.
43:46I don't even see how would that relate at all.
43:49There's no, well, crimes were committed, but maybe you're right.
43:52We have to definitely look into all of this, but I'm definitely going to fill out the FOIA here and
43:57leave it here.
43:57And I'll be back tomorrow to try to speak with Mrs. Linda Altman.
44:01She's here tomorrow, correct, right?
44:02She is.
44:03Okay.
44:04But she's available today by phone or email.
44:06Yeah, I'd rather have a dialogue with her face-to-face.
44:08It's more, you know, it's just you get more transparency that way.
44:12Over the phone, you know, we can talk about, you can just tell me anything.
44:15And I can tell her anything.
44:16When we're face-to-face, the honesty comes out.
44:19So that's about what it is.
44:21I appreciate you do coming out and having a dialogue with me.
44:24I'll see what I can do about the complaint, the other part of the complaint.
44:28Yeah, see what you can do?
44:30I will get back to you by the end of the week as we discuss.
44:33Okay.
44:34And you do have my phone number, right?
44:35I do.
44:36Okay, great.
44:37Oh, great.
44:37I don't really check that email like that.
44:40So phone would be the best way to contact me.
44:42I will definitely appreciate it.
44:44Is when you send an email, is your phone on it?
44:49I don't remember.
44:50I can't really check it.
44:50I should have your phone.
44:51It might be on there.
44:52It might be on there.
44:53If not, I don't hear from you Friday.
44:55If I don't hear from you Thursday.
44:57Put your phone on the FOIA form as well.
44:59Okay, that'll work.
45:00And I'm about to say, if not, if I didn't hear from you by at least Thursday,
45:02I'll just come back in and try to meet with you Friday morning.
45:05You should have some type of answer for me, right?
45:09I'm in actually a lot.
45:10Part of Friday.
45:11Really?
45:12Part of Friday?
45:13Yeah.
45:13Well, I can come in as soon as you come in if you would like.
45:15I should be in later.
45:18Like Friday what for?
45:21I don't know.
45:22Well, I want to make sure I'm here.
45:23I'm on part of the day.
45:26I'll call you.
45:27Okay.
45:28All right, Mr. Hardaway.
45:29I'm going to fill out a FOIA here.
45:30I'll leave it here.
45:32These fine young ladies get it to who's appropriate a person that can help me
45:36rectify this.
45:37I'm sure they can do that.
45:38Okie dokie.
45:40Can I go to the FOIA form somewhere?
45:42Yeah, I think you can just give me a couple minutes to pull it off.
45:43That's cool.
45:44Yeah, for sure.
45:45I understand.
45:46I understand.
45:46Take your time.
45:47I appreciate it.
45:48I'll pull it over you.
45:48All right.
45:49Thanks a lot, Mark.
45:49All right.
45:50Yep.
45:53So, yeah, PTA family, that's what we're doing, man.
45:56We're going to fill out a FOIA.
45:58Mark, Mr. Mark Horner says that we need to fill out a FOIA in order to receive the names of
46:05the
46:05people who were fired.
46:07However, I just feel like that's not really public anymore.
46:13Well, I mean, Ken kind of seems evasive a little bit.
46:17A lot of I don't know, a lot of not sure, but obviously he's trying to be careful.
46:22So, we'll just go that route, and then tomorrow, we'll come in and see if we can speak with
46:29Mrs. Linda Altman.
46:30So, we'll see.
46:37Appreciate it.
46:38So, you guys can get that.
46:40So, they'll go to Jerry there, right?
46:42I forward it to him.
46:43I send it in.
46:43I send it to him an email, and then this goes into his office.
46:46Into his office.
46:47Okay.
46:48You want a puppy?
46:49Yeah, you know, yeah, yeah.
46:52And then, we'll get her a baby.
46:54This is always done.
46:57I don't know.
47:00Bye.
47:03Bye.
47:06Bye.
47:16Bye.
47:17Bye.
47:24All right, appreciate that.
47:26Yeah, no problem.
47:27Any other questions?
47:29No, probably not right now.
47:31Probably tomorrow, though.
47:34All right, you guys, take care of it.
47:36All right.
47:38All right, TTA.
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