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00:01Andrés, why can a World Cup be understood from many perspectives, but also from the perspective of international relations, and why
00:08Isn't that just a sporting event?
00:10A World Cup, Andrés, and first of all thank you for the invitation, is a space, a platform where it allows us to see
00:18things we don't usually see.
00:20One imagines international relations as a relationship between states; that's what we've been told since '45, after
00:25World War II, this story is a bit academic, I'm not going to get into that.
00:30And now we find it easy to say, no, the United States told Iran such and such, as if the United States were speaking,
00:36As if Iran were listening, we turned states into human beings, and that's what we understand by international relations, and
00:40an aggressive human being as well.
00:42My neighbor is my enemy simply for being my neighbor; I have to be careful. When one thinks about international relations,
00:47Think about those things.
00:48The World Cup is a great platform to show us that international relations are much more complex than that.
00:55We see people in the streets exchanging jerseys, we see debates about why Messi doesn't sing an anthem or if he does sing
01:02an anthem, an anthem that by the way doesn't start with lyrics, I don't know what they were asking of poor Messi.
01:05We see a lot of things about national roots, about denunciations; the World Cup has been a space for denunciation, we see how...
01:15Men who were not born in that country, but represent others.
01:18Exactly, very strong national identities. Today, for example, I don't have a Colombian national team jersey, number one lynching.
01:24from the Colombian national team, because I don't want to send the wrong message about the candidate I'm supporting.
01:29A number of things that allow us to show the complexity of what international relations are, especially in
01:36civil society, in national identities, in how people relate to each other beyond states.
01:44So, one wouldn't imagine that an Iranian or a Mexican wouldn't get along well with the United States because of a
01:49The amount of speeches Trump has given lately, and then you look at the streets and see other things.
01:54He sees the complexity of what the international system is, he sees the complexity of what human interactions are,
01:59He sees the complexity of what the word relationship and the word international mean.
02:04Not limited to the simplicity that invites us to think that they are states as if they were human, treating each other badly.
02:09they.
02:11Carolina, welcome back.
02:12Thank you.
02:13From a legal perspective, how does this relate? How does it relate to international relations?
02:20And that, in a way, as Felipe said, it transcends those sporting things and gets people talking about
02:26Other things. How is this viewed from a legal perspective?
02:29I think it also transcends in the sense that, as Andrés said, it's not just about seeing the political actor representing
02:36to the State, but here we are seeing how the elections also show, represent a country.
02:41So, those symbols, for example, the flag, nowadays the jersey, as Andrés pointed out, become very
02:50important and reflect not only what politicians say in diplomatic or relations settings
02:57international, but also what people say about their country, what people, how people interact socially
03:04in a sports setting.
03:05And I think that significance is very important. And what you pointed out regarding immigration is also important, because today in
03:11Every day we see, for example, players who are of other nationalities, not of other nationalities, but who do have ancestry from
03:19other countries playing with a different jersey.
03:21And that also says a lot about what happens in the political sphere, about how
03:28The issue is viewed from the perspective of the fans, from that interaction, and from a political standpoint.
03:34And on the other hand, the issue of symbols, notice how the shirt theme wins out.
03:40The national team, a rather interesting role as a symbol of the Colombian state, almost,
03:47as a country, as a national sentiment, which I believe also transcends what one might legally understand as the flag,
03:56the shield and so on.
03:58I understand. Felipe, are there other perspectives on international relations that we haven't covered, that we haven't yet considered in relation to
04:06This whole phenomenon that is the World Cup?
04:07Well, I think there are two things I'd like to point out. Thank you for the invitation as well. The first is
04:15It is very interesting to see that this global phenomenon is being managed by a non-governmental actor.
04:22In other words, FIFA has long been organized and has tried to separate itself from politics, but
04:27He is a very political actor, who is not only linked to legal and juridical issues.
04:34And it is a non-profit organization.
04:52But he keeps saying it's not political, and he's also questioning political elements like what happened with the jersey.
04:58from Haiti recently.
05:00So there is a clear political message in terms of their national identity, but that is political, but not
05:06It's political, let's say, to limit the possibility of movement for football players from a country they consider to be
05:13It is not relevant within a state like the United States.
05:16So, that's a very interesting topic and I think it's always worth discussing because it involves a
05:23a series of very particular dynamics.
05:25But on the other hand, and also to delve deeper into something that Andrés and Carolina have mentioned, it has to do with our
05:31different identity scenarios.
05:34We have a local identity where issues like elections unite and bring people together despite differences, more
05:41Beyond the discussions we have, particularly here in Colombia, about the jersey.
05:45But on the other hand, they also unite us on the stage, as well as through the exercise of sports.
05:51Sometimes political differences are forgotten there, and we end up being just one, especially when we're outside.
05:58even supporting teams or nationalities that are not actually our own,
06:05but with whom we ended up aligning in political terms, due to decolonial struggles, oppressions, and also because of who is leading the
06:14politics that seemed very different from sports,
06:18But obviously football also has a very relevant political aspect.
06:21Yes, I think the political aspect was somehow present from the beginning, not just in the way they chose to take it.
06:28awarding the venue, but also everything that has happened before, including the competition.
06:32And not only with the players, who one would think are like the asset, that they are the most important asset.
06:37in football and the main protagonists,
06:39but also that judges have been transferred, let's say, a referee from Somalia, who was not allowed entry,
06:46Canada, also due to issues, a legal investigation into abuse prevented a Ghanaian player from entering the country.
06:51only to his country.
06:54All this interconnectedness, the fact that the world is becoming increasingly interconnected, Carolina, what can you tell us about how we relate to each other?
07:02countries today?
07:05I believe that it undoubtedly also presents those kinds of issues much more easily than perhaps in
07:11the past,
07:12Because the fact that today, for example, we all know almost in real time what
07:19It is happening,
07:20that denied him nationality, sorry, entry or admission to a player, to a country.
07:28I believe that this interconnection and globalization allows them to be exposed or permitted in a much more practical way.
07:37and much easier to understand situations and also take critical stances based on what is happening.
07:45And that showcase that the World Cup presents, I think, can also allow them to manifest themselves in some way.
07:58positions against, for example, inequalities or the kind of immigration restrictions we have seen in the World Cup
08:07And I think we've all taken some kind of stance on the matter.
08:12Andrés, if only the many students who semester after semester were listening to you.
08:17I hope you're listening.
08:19They have to, they're in the classrooms, what could you tell them about that, about today's relationship between countries?
08:27Through that interconnection, how can they somehow understand it while experiencing the World Cup?
08:32How can they understand and see it using the tools that academia provides?
08:35Well, the key message there, Andrés, is that they are an actor in international relations,
08:42a very important actor.
08:44We usually understand this as, no, I'm going to give you an example.
08:48I was watching the Spain vs. Cape Verde match and we found, well,
08:52The people I was seeing found that there is no way to go to Cape Verde.
08:56Well, there is a way.
08:57I was asking for all the paperwork because we need a visa from Colombia to Madrid.
09:02So it's very complicated.
09:05These spaces provide a voice, new ideas, new ways of doing things internationally.
09:12where society, the people, the ordinary person, one, is the international.
09:17International is what happens outside of borders; one does international.
09:20And in that, for example, demands begin to arise through political channels, obviously.
09:27to be able to consider a consulate of Cape Verde.
09:31I want to go to Cape Verde now.
09:32I think many.
09:34I think that's acting internationally.
09:37That shows that, of course, the State is a necessary, important entity.
09:42We decided this in 1648.
09:46But in our day-to-day lives we have a strong voice, we have a lot of work to do internationally.
09:52That would be like a message for the students.
09:54Well, not just for students, but for people in general.
09:58There is interest, that is, there is an international space in which we are actors.
10:03And hopefully, active actors—though it may sound a bit redundant—will create those spaces.
10:07And the World Cup shows that.
10:09Who knew where Cape Verde was?
10:10Very few people.
10:12Today I heard people wanting to go to Cape Verde.
10:14I want to go to Cape Verde.
10:16And I believe that these are spaces that allow us to have these discussions and understand ourselves as part of the international community.
10:24In addition to that visit to Cape Verde, Felipe.
10:28What other interconnections do you think are somehow emerging since the tournament began?
10:34How it has developed.
10:37Today the first day, the first round, comes to an end.
10:40It's a tournament with many more teams, involving more players and more logistics.
10:45What other interconnections can be found there?
10:48Well, let's say we have the classic interconnections that come from the same idea of the World Cup as well,
10:53which is the driving force behind tourism, business, and sponsorship,
10:57That's also super important for the maintenance of the sporting event itself every four years.
11:02But at the same time we also see other very interesting phenomena there,
11:06which have to do precisely with the recognition of the existence of something or someone that we did not understand before
11:13that existed.
11:14Many were wondering, for example, about Tim Payne.
11:16Thanks to Tim Payne, then Tim Payne grew in an enormous way.
11:20This has also happened with other players that we are already starting to get to know.
11:24I think Tim Payne is going to play here in South America.
11:26Yes, in Olimpia, in Olimpia.
11:28Buscuante is an Argentinian team, Riestra.
11:30So it's very interesting that he's coming to play in Paraguay.
11:33Well, let's see how it goes.
11:35But at the same time, there are also topics like Cape Verde, and where Curaçao is located,
11:41How is it that only one player from Curaçao was born there?
11:44Then we also began to see what the pasts were like,
11:48but also the present and future of many of those nations.
11:52And in turn, as Andrés and Carolina said,
11:55What we are studying is international relations all the time.
11:58That we come first, but also our projections and our relationships with the rest of the world.
12:03The expansion of the World Cup was indeed highly questioned in terms of the number of participants and the classification.
12:10But at the same time, I think it was also very interesting precisely because it gives space to those choices.
12:15which he would hardly reach at 32.
12:18But on the other hand, it also allows us to recognize their themes, their policies, their existence.
12:24And then there's their football, which is the most interesting thing.
12:29I feel that this way of looking at the World Cup from the perspective of relationships allows us to ask ourselves many questions.
12:37Not only from this tournament, but from past tournaments as well.
12:41Not only in football, but also in the Olympic Games, for example.
12:45But particularly this tournament, with such an important player in the world as the United States,
12:51with its immigration controls,
12:53about what he thinks about migration and security.
12:57And not only with the president they currently have, but also with his policies.
13:02How do you coexist, and from your expertise, how have you seen such a massive event as the World Cup being held?
13:10And that somehow serves to integrate these debates into current issues of security, border controls, and migration?
13:17How are you guys seeing that move, Andrés?
13:19Well, this has always been very interesting.
13:23It didn't start here.
13:24I'm going to mess up the date, because I have a terrible memory.
13:28The Olympic Games, to follow the trail that Andrés told us about, from Beijing.
13:342008.
13:352008.
13:36I was going to say 2012.
13:37No, no, no.
13:39Was 2008 in London?
13:40London, yes.
13:412008 was a platform for the defense of Tibet.
13:45I don't know if you remember.
13:46So, did the defense of Tibet begin there?
13:49No.
13:50Did the people of Tibet have complaints coming from there?
13:53No.
13:53What were the Olympic Games?
13:54A platform for the world to hear them.
13:57I think something very similar is happening here.
13:59We have a very structured idea, not very structured, but rather simple and rigid, of what the United States is.
14:05No, the United States has immigration controls.
14:06And of course, immigration controls are a very important issue for understanding international politics.
14:11But it's much more complex than that.
14:13Today we see how, well, today we can see how what happens in everyday life, in daily life, doesn't
14:22These are immigration controls.
14:24That's not what Trump says.
14:25The United States is not a person.
14:27The United States is a gigantic, diverse state with multiple positions, just like politics itself.
14:33This is what the World Cup invites us to do, this is what these events invite us to do: to understand complexity, to see different sides of what we usually see.
14:39see.
14:39That's why, Andrés, it's so important that countries understand this firmly and start selling the
14:47country image, which is the Congo.
14:50Of course, one can go back to their colonial history, to these heroes that even the fans use.
14:55I don't know if you remember the African Cup, the fans using their liberation heroes.
14:59But it is also joy, it is also Africa, not poverty.
15:05Everything they show through the country's image, of course, institutionally, but also, if you'll pardon the redundancy, informally.
15:13What you see in everyday life, in the mundane.
15:16This complexity is what generates the tension between the sovereign state and the diversity that can arise
15:23to become a State.
15:24And how we also understand that institution we call the State.
15:29Carolina, from a legal perspective, this way of integrating debates, not only regarding borders.
15:35Only in that, in border paperwork, in understanding whether or not I have admission to a country or
15:40No.
15:40From a legal perspective, how does this debate between migration, security, and controls coexist?
15:46Of course, you see, the World Cup is a scenario that boosts the economy.
15:54And indeed, the measures that have been taken in many cases, I understand, are more to make procedures more flexible.
16:03migration policies to facilitate the mobility that is of interest to the States.
16:07Meanwhile, it stimulates the economy, facilitates consumption, and therefore helps, which is what is expected.
16:15One sees Mexico, for example, just now when I read that they were expecting high hotel occupancy.
16:22There are only 13 matches, but they were expecting the hotels and venues where the games will be held to be full.
16:27live broadcast of the matches.
16:29But on the other hand, there is also an issue related to security, to the issue of migration
16:37that is not considered or is considered dangerous.
16:40And so we have seen that, although the aim is to make things more flexible, because it is about guaranteeing the mobility that will help us economically,
16:50There is also a type of mobility that we are not interested in, and which is also, or whose basis is, in conflicts.
16:57politicians that the United States has.
16:59And we've seen it with the example you gave at the beginning of the Somali referee, of the immigration restrictions that are
17:06They've given it to Iran,
17:07which have also generated empathy in many people, even in Tijuana I saw that they had a lot of empathy.
17:14So, I come back to the point I made before, which is how this is approached from a political and legal perspective.
17:21even,
17:22from the discretionary powers that states have in immigration matters and, on the other hand, how it is socially assumed
17:29affair.
17:29So, there's an important contrast that I think the World Cup has shown so far, and that's immigration policy.
17:36restrictive
17:37which in many cases has led people to say, "Hey, these poor Iranians, how are they doing over there?"
17:44The difficulties are tough, even in sporting terms, which I've noticed are very noticeable.
17:49especially when a team has to travel to get to the place where they are going to play
17:53when everyone else is sleeping in their hotel and can easily access the stadium.
17:58So, these kinds of issues are contrasting and also let us see the mobility that is desired and the mobility that...
18:04It is not desired,
18:04The one that isn't, the one that is uncomfortable, the one that is generated by political or economic issues,
18:10which one can help us financially or which one isn't.
18:14And I think the World Cup so far is a very important reflection and mirror,
18:18especially with the American example and the contrast also with Mexico,
18:22How Mexico receives migration, how the United States receives it, and how Canada receives it.
18:27Felipe, I wanted to emphasize that point; in Canada we've talked about Mexico, the United States,
18:31But there is a third organizing country, which has been receiving people from all over the world for many years.
18:38giving them benefits in some way so that they can return to their country and make a life for themselves.
18:43How does this also fit in with security and border controls?
18:46So, what's the next step? Has Canada been like a paper on the sidelines, or not on the sidelines?
18:51I believe it has been, let's say, a State which has somehow positioned itself,
18:58as in being the differentiating factor of the three organizers,
19:02where we have a Mexico that is very concerned about the real security situation within,
19:08where whether or not the State is capable of responding to a possible event that hopefully will not happen.
19:14Yes, but there were disturbances in the first match.
19:18That's right, but let's say that more than disorder, the idea is to confront criminal groups.
19:24which can end up harming a complex situation there.
19:28On the other hand, there are the United States, where the issue of security is based primarily on the blockade of
19:33migration.
19:34And I think Canada is positioning itself as a third party, in a way showing that things can work well there.
19:41or are always working better, not only because of the way it has consistently integrated migrants
19:47not only since the end of World War II, but also as part of, let's say,
19:53also from his discourse on what Canada is, on how that idea of a diverse nation has been built,
19:59especially during the 20th century and what we call the 21st century.
20:02So yes, I do think it's about showing yourself as different, but at the same time, let's say,
20:07a projection of the idea of the country through that organization.
20:11Since you mention projection, I feel that you from academia, I don't know if I've finalized what I'm going to...
20:17say,
20:17But I feel that they see how life, the future, how helping to shape people makes it somehow
20:23you feel that you respond to these new current dynamics, but also future ones.
20:28Faced with these controls, this security, these debates about what is safe and what is not,
20:33If you are admitted, if you are not admitted, you from the academy,
20:38How can we work to ensure that these types of events, as massive as a World Cup,
20:42In the future they will be on two continents,
20:46somehow not generate, or at least be less controversial or less serious,
20:52or that the difficulties are less social,
20:56but rather that there are other kinds of things that are more positive than negative.
20:59I don't know, Carolina, how do you feel that academia can work to make this happen in the future?
21:05Is there a better way to see this?
21:09I think my colleagues will agree that it should be controversial or address these kinds of issues.
21:14It's not like a discussion, I mean, it's not about somehow preventing that controversy from happening.
21:23that conflict that can arise from, or rather those debates that can arise from, the World Cups.
21:29So, what I think is more about how to escalate the debate in a much more rigorous way.
21:36in academic terms so that critical positions can be taken that truly build
21:40based on the reflection and the mirror that the World Cups give us.
21:43I remember, for example, in 2014, I have it very clearly in my mind,
21:47There were many demonstrations, for example, in Brazil,
21:49due to all the investment made by the Brazilian State to be able to receive and to be able to create
21:56all the infrastructure needed in a country like Brazil
22:01with different capabilities than, for example, the United States or Canada or Mexico itself.
22:05Well, I don't put them on the same level, but I think that has to keep happening.
22:13In other words, these kinds of displays of inequality must continue to exist.
22:19of gaps, inequalities, social problems,
22:21because it's not just about showing the beautiful aspects of the country, the cultural side,
22:25but also to show the situations that are not right
22:29And that, for example, the World Cup can serve to address these kinds of issues, to bring them to light.
22:33What I do believe is that academia has an important responsibility
22:37It is also about making the debate more rigorous, that critical view of these problems
22:44to rise a little and that can serve as a catalyst for potential proposals
22:51or possible solution strategies, why not, within the framework,
22:57using the World Cup as a mirror or basis for reflection.
23:00Andrés, how can we make the debate more rigorous?
23:04Yes, first of all, I couldn't agree more with Carolina,
23:07I think I agree with everything he said.
23:09To make it more rigorous, I'm going to get a little pedantic here.
23:13with my favorite topic and it is...
23:16We tend to understand that rigor goes hand in hand with
23:19with what we understand as traditional science.
23:22So, when you asked us why it will happen in the future,
23:25almost as if prospectively,
23:27That's one way of understanding things that come from a very long time ago.
23:31That's how we organize ourselves socially, but I think to make it more rigorous,
23:35And here I align myself with Carolina again,
23:36It is by developing this critical mind,
23:39How to understand that what happens, happens for a reason and is not set in stone.
23:44We, as human beings, organize everything ourselves.
23:47It is socially constructed.
23:49FIFA saying that...
23:51And I'm going to go back to the last press conference I gave to Infantino,
23:55FIFA's statement that it respects the issue of the Somali referee
23:59Because it is a sovereign country, and sovereign countries...
24:01Okay, those are some of the rules.
24:04But we must understand that everything is political.
24:07Objectivity does not exist.
24:09Infantino has a position,
24:10I have a position, we all have a position,
24:13So trying to separate politics from FIFA is impossible.
24:17I think the way is to accept the political situation.
24:20accept the positions,
24:21to bring critical thinking into academia,
24:24Why is this being done this way and not another?
24:27how would it be advisable to do it,
24:29Why could any other way be better?
24:32what implications does this have for us and for the world we want?
24:35the fact that a referee cannot enter a World Cup,
24:38a referee who, through his effort, through his work,
24:41He earned his place, but he can't enter a World Cup.
24:43that an entire national team cannot enter a country
24:46for I don't know how long,
24:48what does that mean for us?
24:49And if that is the world we want to recreate,
24:51I think the World Cup,
24:52Once again, I side with Carolina.
24:53He is showing us these things,
24:55I think the World Cup and sporting events in general
24:57and all these cultural and sporting platforms
25:00That's what they are.
25:02a platform for development,
25:04to put the entire critical lens into practice
25:06that one wants to develop
25:08when it presents a world different from the one it is living in.
25:13Faced with this vision of a different world,
25:16What else can academia contribute?
25:18What else can be done to make these events happen?
25:20somehow serve to transform.
25:22Okay, I agree with what my colleagues are saying.
25:25I obviously think it's always a good thing.
25:29Let's say, to make them a little uncomfortable with all these questions.
25:31and also with these situations,
25:33I think that's precisely what brings us here.
25:35to ask ourselves more questions,
25:38related questions, for example,
25:40something we were talking about recently
25:42And it has to do with the privatization of sports.
25:46This eventually becomes a private business.
25:49but its essence and, let's say,
25:52the way in which it ends up being related
25:54with us from the bottom
25:55That's because this is an interaction,
25:59Let's say, the social aspect is very strong.
26:01There is a feeling, there is an idea,
26:03There is also an identity that is constructed
26:05around football.
26:06And I think that could be a starting point.
26:09Very interesting and it has to do with
26:11where exactly did it end up, let's say,
26:13that the popularity of football,
26:15beyond what is being shown here,
26:18which is basically, let's say,
26:19that a form of commodification of sport
26:22that attempts to make certain issues invisible,
26:24but which is actually a platform
26:26to ask ourselves many more questions
26:28on international matters,
26:29Regarding politics,
26:30about local matters,
26:31about the global
26:32and then where the sport really takes off
26:34It's showing us that there are many facets
26:36in order to understand the world
26:38in various ways
26:39and above all,
26:40As my colleagues said,
26:41in terms of critical
26:42and understanding that
26:44We must not make these things invisible.
26:46but rather
26:47They need to be shown and analyzed.
26:48increasingly from academia
26:50or from whatever different scenarios we find ourselves in,
26:52because I think that's also part of it
26:53of what we do within the social sciences
26:55and what we even do
26:57traditional way
26:58chatting amongst ourselves.
27:00Among all those questions,
27:02I think and feel that
27:03If anyone is watching us,
27:05who is deciding what to study
27:07and that no,
27:07who is asking questions,
27:08that they like the way
27:09how you are viewing the world,
27:13to be a professional in international relations,
27:16not only to be so,
27:18but also to be so from the University of the Forest,
27:21How do you feel?
27:22which helps to understand better
27:23not only this type of event,
27:25but to have another perspective on the world?
27:28The important thing here is that
27:32this type of programs
27:34and the program we offer in the forest
27:35It has the peculiarity
27:38that the international is understood
27:39from your own shoes.
27:41We are making a significant effort
27:42for ceasing to study more nuclear weapons
27:45yes,
27:45super cool and super important,
27:47But that's a world that doesn't concern me.
27:50I don't know if you have seen
27:51those maps of the range of nuclear weapons,
27:53It never reaches South America.
27:55Clear,
27:55the effects are different,
27:56Yeah,
27:56Yeah,
27:57super important,
27:57It affects us in a way,
27:59let's say,
28:00collateral and so forth,
28:01But our reality is different.
28:03Our reality in Bogotá,
28:05at least,
28:05It's because the SIP was full.
28:07because I get mugged on the corner.
28:10We are currently in a political contest
28:12extremely interesting,
28:13to put it mildly.
28:16and a number of things from my daily life,
28:18from my shoes,
28:19when we are introduced to international issues,
28:21They present it to us as if it didn't touch on those areas.
28:24What we try to do at the University of the Forest,
28:26in discussions of what is international,
28:30It's about presenting ourselves as the international entity,
28:33how do we connect with other sides,
28:35with other things,
28:36and other places are not necessarily other states,
28:38It's cultural,
28:39It is a thought,
28:41It's about ideologies,
28:42It's about who we are in the world
28:43and what is the world to us.
28:44I think it has a completely different interpretation,
28:48which brings us to today's topic,
28:50To understand the World Cup is to understand it.
28:51from perspectives that one doesn't usually see.
28:56Carolina,
28:57from a legal perspective,
28:58that has so many,
28:59somehow,
29:00branches and spaces to care for them,
29:03somehow,
29:04people's needs,
29:06from a legal perspective,
29:07how has this way of understanding helped
29:09international relations,
29:11not only with this type of event,
29:13but also in the future.
29:14How do you feel the law has aligned itself?
29:16If anything changes,
29:17if we speak specifically
29:19of international relations?
29:22Well,
29:24particularly in the law program
29:26at the university,
29:27We have an area
29:28where I am,
29:29which is the area of public law,
29:31And I think that's it.
29:33there is a connection
29:35and I share a lot
29:36as Andrés points out,
29:38because there are three programs
29:40at the university,
29:41And I think that,
29:44For example,
29:45in public law,
29:47There is a very important focus
29:49Regarding the topic
29:51human rights,
29:52on the subject of international law,
29:54from a private perspective,
29:55from a perspective
29:57of public law,
29:58And I believe that,
30:00For example,
30:00This phenomenon encompasses
30:01like so many edges,
30:03so many factors,
30:05so diverse additionally,
30:09It sets challenges,
30:10especially for our students,
30:13to understand them very closely aligned
30:14also from an institutional perspective,
30:16from a very comprehensive perspective,
30:18and that comprehensive approach,
30:19I believe it implies
30:21to understand it from,
30:22It's a phenomenon,
30:23as Felipe pointed out,
30:25sorry,
30:25an event,
30:26as Felipe points out,
30:27that contains
30:30political implications,
30:33economic,
30:33that we cannot see it
30:34from a sports setting,
30:36and the fact that
30:36our students,
30:37For example,
30:38may transcend
30:39to the purely sporting aspect
30:40to assume
30:42a vision
30:44different
30:45in the various fields,
30:47I think it's valuable.
30:49And I think that's the key word there.
30:51It would be a vision
30:52a little more comprehensive,
30:53And I believe that law encompasses everything.
30:54because in fact,
30:55one can,
30:56For example,
30:56I look at it through my magnifying glass
30:58of public law,
30:59because that's what I do for a living
31:00And that's what I like,
31:01But I might as well look into it.
31:02from an economic perspective
31:03and see the implications
31:04in economic terms,
31:06from the perspective of migration,
31:08I think it saves
31:08There's a lot of connection there,
31:09because also the right
31:10It is the basis
31:11for the entire immigration system,
31:13which then also
31:14It's going to have
31:15some implications
31:15very important
31:16of the states
31:17in international relations,
31:18so,
31:19I think that
31:20this comprehensive approach
31:21that occurs,
31:22For example,
31:22in the law program
31:23for our students,
31:25precisely allows
31:26that these types of events
31:27assume
31:28from a perspective
31:29much more comprehensive,
31:30much more general,
31:30and not merely
31:31such as sporting events,
31:33I think there are some there.
31:33a valuable contribution
31:34in training
31:35and above all
31:35in the work we do.
31:37Felipe,
31:38from what magnifying glass
31:39that integration?
31:41Well,
31:42I think there's something
31:43that the three of us share
31:44And that's very interesting.
31:46also
31:47of what we are building
31:49within the programs
31:50of the faculty
31:52And that is understanding
31:53that all the topics
31:55encompass politics,
31:57everything has
31:57a political element,
31:59but in addition to that
32:00There are different ways
32:01to be able to get closer to him
32:02and not only
32:04It's about providing those tools,
32:05but also
32:06also always give them
32:07a critical sense
32:09to the form
32:09which address
32:10the different topics.
32:11So,
32:12when we talk
32:13of that complexity,
32:15What we see is that,
32:16For example,
32:16football
32:16It's not something
32:17who will be exempt
32:18of what we analyzed
32:19us
32:19in our daily lives.
32:21That's how it affects me,
32:22For example,
32:22that today Colombia
32:23win, draw, or lose,
32:24but at the same time
32:25also like that
32:26one way or another
32:27ends up being
32:28or having political effects
32:29in a decision
32:30that we took on Sunday.
32:31These are things that seem
32:33absolutely distant,
32:34but that one way or another
32:35It's also linking us
32:36to show that
32:37sporting events
32:39They're not that thing over there.
32:40which always happens very far away
32:41from a place
32:42like ours,
32:44but it has to do
32:45with a constant effect
32:47in our daily lives.
32:49So,
32:50I think the relationship
32:50He's going to focus on that first.
32:51and on the other hand
32:52that the topics
32:52They are never mutually exclusive.
32:54Like the vast majority,
32:55really all the topics
32:56They have a political element,
32:58within our disciplines
32:59we can analyze it
33:00and we have a space
33:01in order to analyze it,
33:03in order to understand it
33:04from the toolbox
33:05that each one
33:06of our disciplines it has,
33:07but obviously
33:08It's a way
33:09to see the world
33:09depending on the area
33:11that we choose.
33:14Precisely that way
33:15from seeing the world,
33:15you as a university
33:16They have a focus
33:17called
33:17the biopsychosocial approach,
33:19which I think
33:20a very interesting perspective,
33:21not only to teach,
33:23but rather to see things.
33:24Carolina,
33:26be professional
33:26in international relations
33:28from what you give
33:29you as a law professor
33:31and thinking
33:32in what we see
33:34in this World Cup,
33:34we are seeing,
33:36How can it be appreciated
33:37all that approach
33:38in a race
33:40such as they are
33:40international relations?
33:42I think it has a lot to do with it
33:43with everything we have come
33:44speaking about
33:46and what I just said
33:47about the comprehensive vision
33:49of a phenomenon,
33:51and it is not only,
33:53For example,
33:54I repeat,
33:55looking at it from a sporting perspective,
33:57because in this case
33:59the issue is visible
34:00from the human being,
34:03which is also
34:03wanted
34:04based on the approach,
34:07from here,
34:08is sought as
34:10integrate
34:10somehow
34:13the vision
34:13that we have of the world,
34:14And I think that's it.
34:15one of the,
34:16the worldview,
34:18so to speak,
34:19And I think that's it.
34:20the approach
34:20the one he's aiming at
34:21the university,
34:23And I believe that
34:24the World Cup
34:25I repeat,
34:26return to
34:28show
34:28all that,
34:29so,
34:30As I was saying,
34:30For example,
34:32a moment ago
34:32Andrew,
34:34when he pointed
34:34that we didn't know
34:36Cape Verde,
34:37then also
34:37we started to look
34:39not only
34:39in political terms,
34:41which is very interesting
34:42to our disciplines,
34:44but even
34:45in cultural terms,
34:46in sociological terms,
34:49to the other,
34:50to that state
34:52that we didn't know,
34:53to that country
34:53that we didn't know,
34:54those interactions,
34:56And that's where I get involved.
34:57again
34:58a bit
34:58with regard to migration,
34:59that allow,
35:00For example,
35:01understand
35:02as
35:04the interactions
35:05human
35:07reflect
35:07also
35:08policies
35:09and in terms
35:11legal,
35:11For example,
35:12how
35:13flexible
35:14They are the possibility
35:15to grant
35:16nationality
35:16in a country
35:17receiver or not,
35:18TRUE?
35:18and how much
35:20even
35:21from
35:22each player
35:24preserves
35:25certain
35:27connections
35:28with his
35:29ancestry,
35:31with his country,
35:31the origin
35:32from their parents
35:33and so on.
35:34So,
35:34I think that
35:35is something that,
35:36let's say,
35:37allows you to see
35:37not only
35:39the event,
35:41but also
35:42to the actors
35:44at the event
35:44as human beings
35:46integrals
35:46from their perspective
35:48cultural,
35:49social perspective
35:50And I believe
35:51that's something
35:51in what
35:52There's a bet
35:53at university
35:54and in our
35:55programs
35:55very interesting
35:56and it has to do with
35:58with
36:00transcend
36:00a bit
36:01not only
36:02in political terms,
36:03I repeat,
36:03but everything
36:04that set
36:05of disciplines
36:07that nourish,
36:08feed
36:09the vision
36:10that it will have
36:10the student
36:11or that we have
36:11us
36:12with respect to a
36:13sporting event
36:13which I think
36:15has been deepened
36:15quite a lot here.
36:16Yeah,
36:16Yeah.
36:18From what they are
36:19the relationships
36:19international
36:20to give a lecture
36:21in this race,
36:23How does it feel?
36:24that approach
36:25it looks
36:25and that transcends
36:26and that somehow
36:27This way it serves
36:28to talk
36:29of what we have
36:29spoken today
36:30of the World Cup?
36:30Yeah,
36:31I think it's
36:31everything very
36:32interconnected.
36:33This approach
36:34which allows
36:34is to see
36:35that the areas
36:38humans
36:38They are one and the same,
36:40which is not
36:41let's have a scope
36:42over there social,
36:44one biological,
36:45one psychic,
36:47but we are
36:48a person
36:48which is the result
36:50of juxtaposition
36:52from all those areas.
36:53That's all
36:55what we have said
36:56today,
36:56It's about understanding each other.
36:57today in the world,
36:59understand what it is
36:59the world to me,
37:01What is the other one?
37:02That's what
37:03we call otherness,
37:04how we understand
37:05to the other,
37:06what humanity
37:06there are behind
37:07from that other one,
37:08Why is that another one?
37:09And this one is ours,
37:10what we talked about
37:11of identities
37:11nationals,
37:12to put on the jersey,
37:13of singing a hymn,
37:15to be born on one side
37:16and feel like someone else,
37:17to represent another,
37:18all that
37:19It's a network
37:20that ends
37:22developing
37:22in everyday life
37:23of the internationalist
37:25in training
37:26and in progress.
37:28Felipe,
37:29and in that execution
37:31and in that understanding
37:32There's something more
37:33that an internationalist
37:34can appreciate
37:35at an event
37:35like this?
37:36Of course,
37:37I think that
37:37first
37:38It has to do with
37:39with precisely
37:40that cultural element,
37:41with diversity
37:42where we think
37:44or we have been shown
37:46traditional way
37:47that our culture
37:48It's very Western.
37:49and what we see there
37:50The fact is that there is great diversity
37:52and a plurality
37:53of cultural manifestations
37:54wonderful
37:55and?
37:55We can actually see it
37:58in very few scenarios
37:58as happens
37:59in the World Cup.
38:00On the other hand,
38:01also diversity
38:02in terms of contexts,
38:04things that seemed to me
38:05very interesting
38:05and it is to see
38:06the situations
38:07in which
38:07certain selections
38:10They arrive calmly
38:11on their charter
38:12to the place
38:12in which
38:13They are going to train
38:14and play
38:14And there are others.
38:15in which
38:15it was their turn
38:16look and see
38:17as well
38:17They collected money
38:18because their federation
38:19I had no money
38:20and so on
38:20in order to arrive
38:21to play soccer.
38:22That makes the contexts
38:24be completely different
38:25beyond the fact that everyone
38:26reach the same stage
38:27which is going to play football
38:28but obviously
38:29social elements
38:32that took them
38:32to be able to reach
38:34that objective
38:35They are very complex
38:36and on the other hand
38:37well too
38:37to perform in terms
38:39of those social elements
38:41also
38:42of the forms
38:43of let's say
38:44training
38:45the element there
38:47of each one
38:48of those different players
38:49where evidently
38:50It's not the same
38:51or are they not the same skills
38:53the ones she plays
38:53even a player
38:55from Japan
38:56to which they follow
38:57here in Colombia
38:58They are completely different.
39:00These are different scenarios.
39:01they are dynamic
39:02socialization
39:02different
39:03obviously
39:03there too
39:04we see other ways
39:06to be able to get closer
39:07and to understand
39:07what is that relationship?
39:09among human beings
39:10their differences
39:11in the contexts
39:12and obviously
39:12above all
39:13I think it's very interesting
39:14cultural diversity
39:15that's where we can analyze
39:17Faced with all that diversity
39:19and what we've talked about
39:20understanding the World Cup
39:22from a perspective
39:23much wider
39:24How do you feel?
39:26that is impacting the world championship
39:27not only
39:28tourism
39:29technology
39:29the training
39:32Today we see judges
39:35centrals
39:35with cameras
39:36in the ears
39:39we also see
39:41planes
39:42much more personalized
39:44for each selection
39:45in the past
39:46Let's say in Brazil
39:47We customized buses
39:48today is more than anything
39:49like the airplane
39:49that leads to the country
39:51How do you feel?
39:52that has had an impact
39:53to the different sectors
39:54beyond
39:55of economic growth
39:56beyond
39:57about what
39:57the exhibition
39:58of a brand
39:59or another brand
40:00how they feel
40:02as in those sectors
40:03tourism
40:04the hotel industry
40:04entertainment
40:06technology
40:07taking into account
40:07which are three nations
40:08various
40:09They are three different countries.
40:10that each one
40:11It has its contexts
40:12Andrew
40:13well the impact
40:14It goes in many directions
40:15before to see
40:17a world championship
40:17were needed
40:18two channels
40:19one
40:20optional
40:21a television
40:21optional
40:22Now it's time
40:23three platforms
40:24with internet
40:25and the question
40:27here
40:27Andrew
40:28in the background is
40:29We are bringing it closer
40:30football to the people
40:31or are we taking it away from him
40:32I think it's extremely serious
40:34clear
40:36have
40:36Let's not talk about it.
40:37of hydration breaks
40:38That's where I was going
40:42we are marketing
40:43a space
40:43which I think
40:44those of us who are
40:45football fans
40:45of our time
40:46I don't know what era it's from.
40:47But I imagine
40:48that we are very close
40:49vintage
40:49It's hurting us
40:50in the soul
40:51the hydration break
40:52I heard somewhere
40:53once say
40:54recently
40:54Well, obviously.
40:55say
40:55The first quarter is over
40:57It hurt me to the core
40:58a player from the United States
40:59if the first quarter is over
41:00How is it going to end?
41:01the first quarter
41:02This is football
41:03Imagine losing
41:04the final
41:04and having to do
41:05a pause
41:05while Shakira sings
41:06I'm happy
41:07but not everyone
41:08and be losing the final
41:10and having to wait
41:10to have Shakira sing
41:11BTS
41:11and I don't know who else
41:13I think that
41:14the dynamics
41:15commercials
41:16competitive logic
41:17are
41:18between
41:18what you were saying
41:19They're not the buses anymore
41:20the planes
41:20which makes sense
41:21because of the distances
41:22The World Cup is already here.
41:23It's not in
41:24in Italy
41:25in Germany
41:26the World Cup
41:26from Guadalajara
41:29to Vancouver
41:30And that's it.
41:31a lot of time
41:32a bus doesn't give us
41:33Then it's time to customize.
41:34the plane
41:35OK
41:35a lot of economy running
41:37But the question
41:37in the background is
41:38They are bringing us closer
41:39football
41:39in the globalized world
41:40which shows us
41:40or they are taking it away from us
41:42clear
41:42us from here
41:43I have the possibility
41:44to have all three platforms
41:46that they ask for
41:46to see what color
41:47They painted the plane
41:49people
41:50can go
41:51but not all
41:52not all
41:53football
41:55It should be more
41:57with greater access
41:59football finally
42:00It's a party
42:00And they don't even try.
42:02They are trying to harm him
42:03with things like
42:03the hydration step
42:04But football
42:04It's so cool
42:05that can withstand those things
42:06now
42:07which I think is our responsibility
42:08to us it is
42:09try
42:11pluralize it
42:12don't close it
42:13to people
42:13that can arrive
42:15to certain standards
42:16let's say economic
42:17or certain
42:18or live in certain
42:20countries
42:20Because you're welcome.
42:21we took out by inviting
42:2248 countries
42:23and reducing by half
42:24to people
42:25that they can see
42:25and it's not about
42:27nor only
42:27on an economic issue
42:28one can have
42:29Disney Directive
42:30and anything else you want
42:31change country
42:32He went on vacation
42:33on the other side
42:34and his account
42:35It's no longer useful
42:35but I think that
42:37the internet
42:38it is intended
42:38It's the opposite
42:39or good
42:39the foundation of the internet
42:40It's logic
42:41otherwise
42:41do not close
42:42but open
42:43football
42:44should open
42:44and not close
42:45Felipe
42:47Well, I think
42:48which evidently
42:50in terms
42:51of the organization
42:51what is being sought
42:52is that it has
42:52a great impact
42:53in terms
42:53economics
42:56But I do believe
42:56that there
42:57at least
42:58two edges
42:58important
42:59one of the
43:00says Andrés
43:00and it is
43:02finally
43:02who can access
43:03at the moment
43:04to the World Cup
43:04is the one who has
43:05with what to pay
43:06those things
43:06but if
43:07without speaking
43:07of all resale
43:08that there was
43:08that's how it is
43:09And that does
43:10that they grow
43:11or that they increase
43:13the costs
43:13from the ticket office
43:14They even put
43:14to talk about that
43:16incredible
43:16a president
43:18talking about the price
43:18of a ballot
43:19and a ballot
43:20three thousand dollars
43:20because there are few people
43:21those who want her
43:22and they can afford it
43:24beyond the fact that it is
43:25your selection
43:26and so on
43:26because it does not imply
43:27that's all
43:27but move
43:28all the way there
43:29stay there
43:29and so on
43:31so
43:32one thing has to do
43:33just seeing him there
43:33and another
43:34See it outside
43:35like we do
43:37I insist
43:37What Andrés was saying
43:38I think it's very accurate.
43:40and it is evidently
43:40whoever can access
43:41to the World Cup
43:42Well, there are very few of them.
43:44those who pass
43:45on television
43:45open
43:46and so on
43:46I'm sorry to cut you off.
43:47Felipe
43:47It has something to do with it
43:49what does that have to do with it
43:50Or how do you see it?
43:52that
43:53the countless matches
43:54first round
43:56the most expensive match
43:57be Colombia
43:58Portugal
43:58in Miami
44:01I think it has a lot
44:02what to see
44:02football
44:03Football has an influence there.
44:05And it's not a great match.
44:06I don't think they'll pay
44:07to see Lerma
44:08I do believe it
44:12Perhaps Lerma, yes
44:13But I don't know about Mojica.
44:14also
44:14also
44:14that way I'm sure
44:17but let's say
44:18where there are so many figures
44:19Where is Messi?
44:20playing
44:20where Neymar
44:22which means
44:22Brazil
44:23in terms of population
44:25I think it operates here
44:26also the complexity
44:27It's Miami
44:28So it's an area
44:30where there are
44:31Colombian fan
44:32with capacity
44:33acquisitive
44:35easily accessible
44:36for the one who is here
44:37And it's a great match!
44:39Portugal
44:39Colombia
44:40It may not be
44:41the best match
44:41of the group stage
44:43Perhaps it is.
44:43for those who know
44:44fed up with football
44:45Perhaps it is.
44:46maybe not
44:46well, the last date
44:47maybe they won't play
44:48the headlines
44:50It's a shot in the dark
44:51but
44:51It's not just the big game
44:53what is
44:53is all that
44:54there are around
44:55the city
44:56logic
44:58of people
44:58who are there
44:59of which
45:00we could go
45:01I think that
45:02all
45:02everything lent itself
45:03so that it may be
45:04the match
45:04more fought
45:06in question
45:07ticket office
45:08Carolina
45:08What impact is there?
45:09What do you see in all of that?
45:11Well
45:12I would like to focus
45:14a bit
45:14attention
45:15also at FIFA
45:16as an organization
45:18international
45:19there
45:21And I understand
45:22also that
45:23well
45:23It is an organization
45:25very important
45:26I mean
45:26is charging
45:27and has been paid
45:28importance
45:28And I believe that
45:29also
45:29all that
45:31my colleagues say
45:32and what it indicated
45:33Andrew
45:33of how we saw
45:33before
45:34and how we see
45:34The World Cup is on right now
45:35also obeys
45:36Where have they gone?
45:37giving account
45:37how to monetize
45:39and how to get there
45:40capturing
45:41economically
45:42all the attention
45:43I understand
45:43and my colleagues
45:44I'll be corrected.
45:45that right now
45:46It's already variable
45:47the value
45:48from the ballot
45:49precisely
45:50the question
45:50that you made us
45:51of a match
45:51specifically
45:53and
45:54I think that
45:55all that
45:56also
45:57interested
45:57in terms
45:59economic
45:59the elections
46:00also
46:01receive
46:01money
46:02for participation
46:03I understand
46:03TRUE
46:04I don't know how
46:05is the division
46:05there between
46:06what he/she receives
46:07the headquarters
46:08and what it receives
46:08FIFA
46:09but
46:09Well, the topic
46:11economic
46:11and one understands
46:12that the topic
46:13economic
46:13It is important
46:14over there
46:14I think that
46:16It is important
46:16also
46:17analyze
46:18the role
46:19FIFA
46:19and how
46:20strengthens
46:21as an organization
46:22international
46:22from these
46:23events
46:23every time
46:24let's say
46:25more focused
46:28also
46:29in the return
46:30economic
46:31and that
46:33It's like
46:33a question
46:34that me
46:35do
46:36and it is
46:36Well
46:36and
46:37becomes relevant
46:39acquires
46:39has
46:40a factor
46:43economic
46:44in between
46:44but at the same time
46:46also
46:46what it said
46:48Andrew
46:48It questions me
46:50a lot
46:50and it is
46:50had heard
46:52I don't know
46:52that one
46:53For example
46:54an entry
46:55to the final
46:56was hanging around
46:57the 33,000
46:59$33,000
47:01I don't know
47:01if it's true
47:02It seems to me
47:02an exaggeration
47:03above all
47:03For example
47:04for me
47:05that I live
47:05in a country
47:05like Colombia
47:07practically
47:07with that
47:07I can
47:08buy a house
47:08so
47:09It's a topic
47:10also
47:12how
47:13they confront us
47:15this type
47:15of situations
47:16in terms
47:17economic
47:17clear
47:19Felipe
47:19There is something
47:20from the
47:21hotel industry
47:21entertainment
47:23technology
47:23that you feel
47:24which also
47:24to
47:25somehow
47:26has called you
47:26attention
47:27They call me
47:28Yes, he called me.
47:29attention
47:29first
47:31I insist
47:31in something
47:32is
47:32access
47:33real
47:34above all
47:35to power
47:36see
47:36the whole
47:37of the
47:38How many are there?
47:38108
47:38104
47:39104 matches
47:41involved
47:42and an expense
47:42economic
47:43that for
47:43some people
47:44can arrive
47:45to be difficult
47:46to be able to do it
47:47But on the other hand
47:49It is also
47:49the increase
47:51of expectation
47:51and if really
47:52He's leaving
47:53for the one who has
47:54the business
47:54of the hotel industry
47:55the food one
47:56the benefit
47:57of various services
47:58and exchange
47:59of goods
48:00if really
48:00He's going to win
48:00what you need
48:01I can
48:02think a little
48:03in that
48:03ready
48:04We have a place
48:05like Miami
48:06where
48:07obviously
48:07There's going to be a movement
48:08and a flow
48:09of people
48:09awesome
48:10which has already begun
48:11a bit
48:11with Uruguay
48:13and so on
48:13was
48:14assistance
48:15very important
48:16and massive
48:16but we don't know
48:18until the end
48:19of the World Cup
48:20we'll find out
48:21if really
48:21to those
48:22that they wanted
48:23impact
48:23in terms
48:24for your benefit
48:25economic
48:25will be obtained
48:27the benefits
48:28that really
48:29they wanted
48:30or they expected
48:31also
48:31because one thing
48:32It's the projections
48:34that are
48:34and others
48:35what really
48:36happen
48:36in terms
48:37of that benefit
48:39of goods
48:39and services
48:41What lessons
48:42somehow
48:43can be understood
48:45from a contemporary perspective
48:46of today's world
48:48and that you
48:49from their expertise
48:51they feel that the World Cup
48:53is going to teach
48:54beyond
48:54of a court
48:57that we can
48:58learning
48:59that we learned
49:00already of what it was
49:00the beginning
49:01that we can
49:02continue learning
49:03today
49:03in the face of all that
49:05what is happening
49:06in the world
49:07Felipe
49:08Andrew
49:09sorry
49:10I follow
49:11with the topic
49:12of complexity
49:14what does it mean
49:14the relationships
49:15international
49:16one thing
49:17is what a state
49:18in a way
49:19formal
49:20say
49:20and one other thing
49:21that's what
49:21in spaces
49:22like the World Cup
49:22we see
49:23in the news
49:24that occur
49:25on the streets
49:25me
49:26there is one
49:26a tradition
49:29because it seems to me
49:29beautiful
49:30who are the fans
49:31from different teams
49:32entering and changing
49:33t-shirts
49:35It's the image
49:36of
49:36pirate t-shirts
49:37It doesn't matter
49:38It's cute
49:39exchange it for an original
49:41let's say good
49:42There's no shortage of that type.
49:43of things
49:43and obviously
49:44the t-shirt
49:45from Germany
49:46It costs different
49:46to that of Cape Verde
49:47and that of Cape Verde
49:48It must be very expensive.
49:49because how many are there
49:50Well
49:51the idea
49:52supply and demand
49:55that
49:55that
49:56that
49:56that
49:56that
49:57what us
49:57It invites us to think
49:57that we understand
49:58on the other
49:59when we guide ourselves
50:00through official speeches
50:02And let's not think about Trump
50:03Let's think of anyone
50:04we started
50:05to do it in our head
50:06an idea
50:07Whose is that other one?
50:08that we don't even know
50:09So
50:09It's the traditional way.
50:10of international relations
50:12which is very simplistic
50:13about that
50:14discourses are created
50:15public policies are created
50:16even
50:16and this
50:17the World Cups
50:19not only this
50:19the World Cups
50:20they show us
50:20spaces
50:21where that other
50:23that otherness
50:23It has settings
50:24different
50:25maybe
50:26we understand each other better
50:29I jump like this
50:30when I celebrate a goal
50:31Yeah
50:31is jumping
50:32a person from Iraq
50:33Yeah
50:34It looks more like me
50:35that my neighbor
50:36I have more in common
50:38when
50:39I think I enjoy it
50:40football
50:40like that person
50:41particular from there
50:42we misconfigured
50:43which means
50:44otherness
50:44and so?
50:45I think always
50:46we're doing well
50:46to benefit
50:48thinking about the world
50:49Carolina
50:50What other lessons
50:50Do you feel that there is?
50:51I wanted to clarify beforehand
50:53that I was watching
50:54that the ballots
50:54It was 3,000 dollars
50:56but
50:56Yeah
50:57because I didn't do the math
50:58I
50:59Yeah
50:59I was left like
51:00so much
51:01Yeah
51:01$3,000 tickets
51:03which seem to me
51:03extremely expensive
51:04oh well
51:05I think that
51:07I think that
51:08each World Cup
51:09He leaves it as his reflection
51:10and
51:12and that
51:13and
51:14and this
51:14It will be no exception
51:16obviously
51:17I think that
51:18It leaves us with a lot
51:18what to think
51:20in
51:20in
51:20which
51:22a question
51:23What did Andrés do?
51:24at the beginning
51:25that catches my attention
51:26and it is
51:27as reflected in the world
51:28It reflects our problems
51:30the question is also
51:31If this is the world
51:31in which we want to live
51:33No?
51:33especially when
51:35It is undeniable
51:36the influence
51:37of
51:37the decisions
51:39that are taken
51:39in political terms
51:41facing
51:43facing
51:43to the World Cup
51:44and how they affect
51:46some
51:46I was also listening
51:48in
51:48at some point
51:49that
51:49This is not the first time
51:51in which, for example,
51:51and we don't know, for example
51:52I don't know how the groups are doing.
51:54if at some point
51:55he's going to face
51:56For example
51:57Iran with
51:57USA
51:58I don't know how likely that is.
52:00Nowadays, anything is possible
52:00Everything is possible
52:01Well
52:01so
52:03I think that
52:04It's very difficult.
52:05predict
52:06as
52:06How is it all going to end?
52:07and
52:08and what reflections
52:09He's going to leave us
52:09but in principle
52:10For example
52:11in terms of migration
52:13as I had said
52:13leaves reflections
52:14interesting
52:15regarding
52:17to
52:18to the interests
52:19of the states
52:20in that term
52:21and above all
52:22reflections also
52:23for the law
52:23international
52:26which are
52:27that I believe
52:27which are important
52:29but
52:29I wouldn't dare
52:30to say
52:31nothing
52:31nothing different
52:32to
52:32I don't know
52:33who's going to win
52:34I don't know which one it's going to be.
52:35the result
52:35but
52:36But I would be up for it.
52:37to say that
52:38that
52:41sorry
52:42He's going to win
52:42Colombia
52:43I correct myself
52:45Felipe
52:46what lessons
52:48you feel that
52:48those left out
52:50or do you feel that
52:50it's worth it
52:51to put a period
52:52I think it's
52:53also understand
52:55the great diversity
52:56that there
52:56in the world
52:57contemporary
52:58that not only
52:59It is a diversity
53:00in terms of the actors
53:01who are involved
53:02over there
53:02from the public sector
53:03from the private sector
53:04but above all
53:05of the topics
53:06the problems
53:06and what has been done
53:08visible and invisible
53:09in scenarios
53:10like this
53:11For example
53:12in Qatar 2022
53:14we talked a lot
53:15on the topic
53:15of the population
53:16LGBTQ+,
53:17of the employees
53:19or of the people
53:19who were
53:20or who died
53:20building the stadiums
53:21and so on
53:22That's a topic
53:23that has remained
53:24a little bit ice cream
53:25in this World Cup
53:26It seemed to me
53:27like what
53:27It is discussed in some settings
53:29but really
53:30as if it's not going to be discussed again
53:31in turn also
53:32the fight
53:33and the problems
53:35that there has been
53:35around football
53:36in terms of racism
53:37For example
53:39but what are
53:40These are questions
53:41and topics
53:42and problems
53:42that we must follow
53:43talking about it
53:43in scenarios
53:44not only
53:45within football
53:46but also
53:46outside of it
53:47then I would stay
53:48first with that
53:49with diversity
53:50in terms of actors
53:50of problems
53:51of contexts
53:52and so on
53:52and above all
53:54also
53:54understanding
53:55that this world
53:56contemporary
53:57We need to see it
53:58always from
53:59a diversity
54:00in terms
54:01from the perspective
54:01policy
54:02all these problems
54:03and all these topics
54:04they have an element
54:05political
54:05that not only
54:06We need to analyze it.
54:07criticize it
54:07but also
54:08also
54:09look
54:09What can we do?
54:10to improve
54:11that which
54:12on the spot
54:13in which we
54:13we want to live
54:16returning to the World Cups
54:18I'm thinking about Germany
54:19And I remember
54:20It's the header
54:21Zidane's
54:22I think of South Africa
54:232010
54:25memory
54:25buglosses
54:27the surprising
54:28which was
54:28for many people
54:29in the world
54:30It was the noise
54:31constant
54:32also
54:33because it was played
54:33in a country
54:34below
54:34of the line
54:35from Ecuador
54:35and around that time
54:37in which it was played
54:37View the players
54:38with blankets
54:39and gloves
54:39in banking
54:40of substitutes
54:42I also think
54:43in Katari
54:44I think of Messi
54:45raising the glass
54:46wearing a tunic
54:47that they put it on her
54:48almost two seconds
54:49before
54:49which surely
54:50They had no idea
54:52you who feel
54:54that he will remember
54:54the world
54:55of this World Cup
54:57beyond
54:57whose will it be
54:58sports champion
54:59beyond
55:00who is going to win
55:01if really
55:02there is
55:02or the transformations
55:04social and cultural
55:05They're going to happen
55:06Which do you feel?
55:07What will it be?
55:08as
55:08that way
55:09that the world
55:10will remember
55:10the World Cup
55:10of this year
55:11Andrew
55:12Well, James
55:13raising the glass
55:14That's going to be unforgettable.
55:16I don't think it's going to be long.
55:18I think this is very unpredictable.
55:20as he said further on
55:21in sports
55:23I am afraid
55:24I am afraid
55:25what will he come up with?
55:27Infantino
55:27What will he come up with?
55:28Trump
55:28Let it stay like this
55:30supremely marked
55:31with these logics
55:33these speeches
55:34racists
55:35xenophobes
55:36I would like
55:37that he didn't pass through there
55:38what happens
55:38is that the probability
55:39It's not small.
55:41I wish it were something more
55:43of some fan group
55:44I don't want to do it
55:46There's a lot of hype surrounding this.
55:47Because we have it.
55:47of rival in the group
55:48but
55:49in the African Cup
55:50It was the fans
55:51from the Congo
55:51It was wonderful
55:52one thing
55:53That would be very nice.
55:552002
55:56the images
55:57from Buenos Aires
55:58It's one thing
56:00crazy
56:00I would like it to be
56:02Something more on that side
56:03now the probability
56:04that it's some kind of issue
56:06that it's their turn
56:07Greetings to Trump
56:08to a team
56:09like Iran
56:10something like that
56:11really weird
56:12geopolitically speaking
56:13could be
56:15I hope not
56:16Hopefully we can
56:16keep
56:17from a social perspective
56:18from a cultural perspective
56:19from
56:19from
56:20the events
56:23sporadic
56:23that happen
56:24in spaces
56:25like these
56:26Carolina
56:27Which one do you feel?
56:28What's going to happen?
56:28like that image
56:29world?
56:31I don't know
56:32I think that
56:35Well
56:36I don't know
56:37could be
56:39suddenly
56:40the balance
56:41I don't know
56:43if I turn around
56:44very repetitive
56:45but I think
56:45the balance
56:46could be
56:47well right now
56:47in fact
56:48are within the framework
56:49of an agreement
56:51political
56:51and between
56:53USA
56:54and Iran
56:54in the world
56:56I don't know
56:57whatever the result
56:58about that
56:58I think that
56:59that too
56:59will determine
57:00over there
57:02and well
57:05I don't dare
57:06nothing more to say
57:07I also hope
57:07that Colombia
57:08I won the World Cup
57:11What is that forecast?
57:12I have there
57:13two elements
57:14the first
57:14is
57:15from
57:16of what happens
57:17in terms of
57:18beyond the result
57:19whether Colombia
57:20wins the world championship
57:21surely
57:22is
57:25review
57:25if in terms
57:26strategy
57:27policy
57:27sports washing
57:29Does it work or not?
57:29because I believe that
57:31that too
57:31It is very important
57:32and they are waiting for it
57:33above all
57:34particularly
57:35from the United States
57:36I don't think Canada
57:37and Mexico no
57:37but particularly
57:39USA
57:39Let's see if it works
57:40precisely for
57:41to make things invisible
57:43to make invisible
57:43racism
57:44to make invisible
57:45the limitations
57:46migration
57:47to make invisible
57:48really
57:48the intentions
57:50in political terms
57:52where
57:52obviously
57:53sport
57:55He finishes it
57:55covering everything
57:56in many cases
57:59of what we studied
58:00It's very obvious
58:01but
58:01what we see
58:02on the screen
58:03There are 22 people
58:04playing soccer
58:05and it seemed
58:06that we didn't ask ourselves
58:07about those
58:08various topics
58:09So I think that
58:09the first
58:10if the sport washing
58:10Does it work or not?
58:11But on the other hand
58:13I think so too
58:13one of the elements
58:14that he's going to leave
58:15is
58:15already
58:16from now on
58:17the organization
58:18It's going to be
58:20among multiple
58:21countries
58:22think
58:22again
58:23in a world championship
58:23in one place
58:24It's going to be complex
58:25to the extent
58:26in what
58:28surely
58:28Let's see
58:29that the profits
58:29they went up
58:30that not only
58:31with the topic
58:31of the ballots
58:32but
58:33the number of people
58:34watching the game
58:36both on the field
58:37both on and off the field
58:38So I think that
58:38That will boost
58:40that the scenarios
58:41each time they are
58:42much bigger
58:43We're going to have it soon
58:43a world championship
58:44from two continents
58:46well yes
58:46from two continents
58:47but in addition to that
58:49it's going to grow
58:50increasingly
58:50and the business
58:51It will be expanded
58:52in the way
58:52where are they looking for him?
58:53that it happens each time
58:54more global
58:54They have two challenges
58:56China
58:56India
58:57scenarios
58:58that football
58:59It's not that popular
59:00But if they arrive
59:02to capture
59:02those scenarios
59:03It's already a sport
59:04global
59:04par excellence
59:05which it already is
59:05definitely
59:07Felipe
59:08Carolina
59:09Andrew
59:09thanks a lot
59:10for being here
59:10in El Espectador
59:11We were with Felipe Higuera
59:13with Andrés Peña
59:14and with Carolina Vaquero
59:15They are all teachers
59:16of the Faculty
59:17of Legal Sciences
59:18and Policies
59:18of the University
59:19forest
59:19you
59:20the users
59:21and readers
59:21of the Spectator
59:22one more time
59:23thank you so much
59:23thank you for joining us
59:24and we hope
59:25obviously
59:26everyone that Colombia
59:26win tonight
59:27thank you so much
59:45The Spectator
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