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01:00With thousands still stranded in Theuta, the situation remains critical and the political
01:04fallout huge.
01:06This week, Theuta's leader came to Brussels to address this issue.
01:10Spain is still trying to find out what happened and how.
01:12Prime Minister Pedro Sánchez says the far right is exploiting the crisis.
01:17Meanwhile, people are taking the street, and opposition parties calling for him to step
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02:44διαδικασμού κατάλληλα ενδιαφένει οποία είναι μια φύγης της ΕΠΡΓΛΕΡΙΛΕΕ.
02:45that's the only answer to events like that we have seen in Theuta is European solidarity.'s
03:14Ποιο είναι σκληρία για την ευρωπαϊκή κυβέρνηση του έργα του Ιουλού.
03:21Δεν έχουμε καλύτερη ευρήνηση, αλλά από τις χρόνες που βλέπουν,
03:25υπάρχουν δηλαδή διαφορετικά δυοκοίς που προσπαθούν την Ευρωπαϊκή Ευρωπαϊκή και τους υπολίες.
03:30Ήταν στους κυβέρνους, κυβέρνους, κοινωνικές, κοινωνικές,
03:35κοινωνικές, κοινωνικές, και με το τέλος, και με το τέλος,
03:37και με τα κοινωνικές συλλογικές, έτσι είναι μια μύκρια, και δεν είναι έτοιμα για να ακριβώς το βλέπουμε,
03:44ποιος ήταν αυτό που το κάνει στον ειδικό του Θεού.
03:48Και πώς θα συγκεφθείτες το σπανό της συμβουλίας, το πόλεμο του πέντρου πέντρου πέντρου πέντρου πέντρου πέντρου πέντρου πέντρου?
03:53Να πω πω ότι δεν συμφωνώ με αυτή την αποφασία.
03:58Ναι, πως, έχουμε πολλοί δημιουργοί που υπάρχουν δυοκοί για αυτή συμβουλία.
04:02αλλά και επίσης, έχουμε πολιτική responsabilία, και αυτό είναι η responsabilία του σπανό της πρωτοβουλουλου,
04:10Μερ. Σάνχεζ.
04:11Ήταν ειδικό πέντρου πέντρου πέντρου από τη στιγμή από τη σπανό της σπανότητας.
04:17Ήταν η ευρύνη να προσοχθεί κάποιες δυοκοί.
04:21Ήταν πώς θα έπρεπε να έρθει.
04:23Ήταν δεν έρθει στον κομμπ.
04:25Μουσική
04:26Μουσική
04:31Μουσική
04:38Μουσική
04:40Υπότιτλοι. Υπότιτλοι AUTHORWAVE.
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07:38και για να σκοτήσω τους ανάγκη, δεν ξέρω τι μπορούσα να κάνω για να καλύψω την κατάσταση.
07:44Υπότιτλοι AUTHORWAVE, αλλά θα προσπαθήσω τώρα πολύ γνωρίζοντας.
07:47Εάν υπάρχει μια κατάσταση στην κατάσταση, πρώτα, πρέπει να κάνουμε την κατάσταση καλύτερη και καλύτερη.
07:57Και πιστεύω, πρέπει να προσθέσουν 500 ελπίδες ή 500 ελπίδες στο ΣΥΟΤΑ.
08:04Ωραία, πιστεύω, ότι μια κατάσταση ελπίδες ελπίδες μπορεί να αντιμετωπίζει μια ελπίδες ελπίδες ελπίδες, όταν αυτό το επίπεδο συμβαίνει.
08:10Και είναι καλύτερα να μινήσουμε την κοινωνία, ότι δεν είναι η πρώτη φορά που βλέπουμε αυτό το πρόβλημα.
08:16Ωραία, αυτό που θα ήθελα να ρωτήσω, επίσης και επίσης,
08:19αυτό δεν είναι σχεδόντας πράγματα για την ελπίδες.
08:23Τις τρίτοις ελπίδες μας βρίσκονται.
08:25Ωραία, αυτή είναι η αγγελική ελπίδη μας.
08:26Ωραία, αυτή είναι η πρόβλημα.
08:29Υπάρχει το πρόβλημα, η ελπίδη μας, που ήταν χωρίς και μάτει από την ελπίδα.
08:35Ωραία, αυτή είναι η ελπίδα αντιμετώτασης.
08:38Ωραία, αυτή είναι η ελπίδα.
08:41And we have to ask the question why third-country actors are doing that, why they are testing us.
08:47And that's even more a reason to be united in solidarity.
08:51Well, on that very point, we did see the president and the mayor of Ceuta.
08:55He was here in Brussels this week with a cry for help, saying that his city is, quote, on the
09:00edge of the abyss.
09:02Speaking to the press, Juan Jesus Bibas, a member of the European People's Party,
09:06said that the Ceuta Institute should prompt Brussels to reconsider its collaboration with Morocco.
09:12Take a look.
09:19This behavior and this event, from our point of view, was possible due to the complicity of Morocco or the
09:25consent of Morocco, one or the other.
09:33And I think it's a very serious situation, because this means that their behavior is entirely unacceptable,
09:38and it is a lack of respect to Ceuta, to Spain, and to the European Union.
09:45Juan Jesus Bibas there.
09:47What exactly can concretely the EU do now, apart from, of course, engaging in this blame game?
09:52We can help to find the bridges between Spain and Morocco, because the communication, how do you see, doesn't function
10:00very well in this moment.
10:02Do you trust Morocco?
10:03Yes, I trust Morocco, because Morocco, it's really a partner in many issues,
10:08and especially in security, help us a lot to fight the Islamic terrorists.
10:14Also, they give us many information.
10:16This is why we have to talk with Morocco.
10:19Now, first of all, I'm surprised that my colleague says he trusts Morocco,
10:23but Spain should stop cooperation with Morocco, but if they would have stopped cooperation, how could they have brought back
10:30people?
10:31I think what we have to do now, today, in the current situation, is to help Ceuta,
10:36and one question could be, what should we do with the people who are still staying there?
10:41Do we have places within Ceuta, and do they need more money, more staff to deal with them?
10:46Or is it having in mind that we are mostly talking about unaccompanied minors, even children,
10:52that they should be brought to European member states, according to the Pact of Migration, as a matter of solidarity,
11:00so that their procedures will be done there, and then to decide if they can stay or have to go
11:06back.
11:06Okay, that is another debate, of course, that's being held right now in Brussels,
11:10on whether or not that solidarity mechanism exists or not.
11:13But now, it is time to move on to the next round.
11:19So now, it is time to get a real flavour of how the European Parliament Chamber really works,
11:24when members of the European Parliament ask direct questions to each other.
11:29So I'd like to start with ladies first, and allow you please to address your first question to Tomáš.
11:33Thank you very much, and I will come back to something I mentioned just a minute ago,
11:37and I would like to ask you, if you would agree to support a relocation of unaccompanied minors,
11:43children, to help Ceuta and calm down the situation, and thus also using the solidarity mechanism
11:51in the European Pact of Migration.
11:53Yes, I will respond to you directly.
11:56If there are some children and women in Ceuta, of course, we can send them directly to Spain
12:04and proceed to them, if they are here illegal migrants or they are refugees.
12:09But my response will be that really I have it very good evidence about the situation in Ceuta,
12:16and 99% of people who cross the borders are men who are there illegally,
12:24and they don't need our solidarity, and they don't need our help.
12:28They need to be proceeded and return back to Morocco.
12:32It's clear answer.
12:33But that's not true.
12:33There are children remaining in Ceuta, and we should not ignore that.
12:37Yes, but it's really very small.
12:41Would the Czech Republic welcome?
12:42In the Czech Republic, we are prepared to help Spain to solve the situation.
12:46We are prepared to send it there, our policemen who will proceed these people
12:51and who will control, who can cross the borders.
12:53But not welcome on accompanied minds?
12:54No, no, no.
12:55We are absolutely strict against these quotas, and this quota system
12:59help only extremists to grow up in the European Union.
13:03Sorry, but we are not talking about extremists.
13:06You cannot say they are all extremists without having any proof.
13:10And now you say you are not willing to enforce the European impact on migration,
13:18which needs to be used since the 12th of June.
13:21So you are going even against European legislation.
13:24No.
13:24I am saying that we have three types of help, how we can help the states.
13:30And one of the type of help is sending there.
13:34We can send there our forces and really bring the situation to the normal.
13:39Okay.
13:40And now your question, please.
13:41My question is very easy.
13:43Do you think that really Spanish government did his work
13:46and they respond on the situation adequately?
13:52Now, first of all, we have to understand, having in mind that within hours,
13:5680,000 people arrived in Ceuta.
13:59The reaction was very good.
14:01And I think it was helpful that the people at the front opened the doors of the fences
14:07because otherwise even more people would have died.
14:10and it was very helpful that immediately the Spanish government took contact to Morocco
14:15and that also, again, it feels like ours, most of the people could be returned.
14:22So, yes, in the current situation they reacted perfectly.
14:26And now let's see what together as European Union we can do with the remaining people.
14:32Follow-up?
14:32Yes, my second question, do you think that all these people who cross the borders with Ceutas are refugees
14:41or how big percentage of the people who cross the borders with Ceutas are really, real refugees?
14:49Now, I don't know what you mean with real refugees.
14:53I think the big number of people that arrived within only hours only shows
14:58that there must have been a kind of orchestration, misinformation that was organized to bring the people.
15:06So, I'm quite convinced that not everybody is an asylum seeker and needs international protection.
15:13Many were coming maybe to have another perspective, economic refugees.
15:18But that's something that we have to elaborate.
15:21We have to check who needs international protection, who not.
15:25and those who don't have a right to stay, of course, have to be brought back to Morocco if they
15:30are Moroccans.
15:31One final last question for Thomas.
15:33Now, I also would like to know how you see the situation.
15:38You fuel the debate about disinformation, saying this has happened because of regularization of migrants.
15:47But this did happen already a long time ago and other member states also did regularize people.
15:55So, why do you see a connection between regularization of people and in this case of Spain they mainly were
16:02coming from South America with the current situation?
16:07I have to say thank you very much for this question, I responded many times, I said there is many
16:12disinformation what we have to fight.
16:15This is why really I was very active in UDS and I am fully supporting stop for anonymized accounts what
16:30can really be so strong as normal accounts.
16:33And they have the same responsibility as our normal accounts in the social media because many of these things happen
16:43thanks to disinformation from the third actors.
16:47And then about the situation in Spain, the people from the South America came to Spain for long times.
16:57The problem of the Spain government is that the Spain government doesn't react and doesn't return these people back if
17:05they don't have visas or they don't have permission to stay.
17:09That is the views.
17:11May I react because they arrived with the visa but they started working and obviously they are needed in Spain.
17:17That's why they were regularized.
17:19But I'm happy that you say maybe regularization was not the problem but misinformation and I hope here we could
17:26work together.
17:27By the way, I don't think the problem is anonymous accounts because I see more and more people doing ugly
17:34things in the net while using their real name.
17:38Now we're getting a real...
17:39Let's talk about that later.
17:40And now it is time to hear from another voice.
17:46I'd like to bring in the voice now of the U.S. President Donald Trump.
17:50He's been getting involved in this conversation about Celta.
17:53He's spoken out sharply against Spain, declaring that it is, quote, very sad what is happening in Spain, a country
18:00with zero control over its borders.
18:03So why is Donald Trump getting involved in this conversation?
18:07No, I think there is a long history.
18:09Donald Trump has a big interest in weakening European Union.
18:13He's not only doing pressure with tariffs.
18:16He's accusing us whenever we try to force, for example, Big Tech to follow our rules, our legislation.
18:25He's saying we are acting back.
18:26And a weak European Union, a union that is split, is good for the American president because Trump wants to
18:33make deals individually with each and every member state.
18:37So he has an economic aim in this.
18:39And this is a direct attack, of course, on Pedro Sánchez, the prime minister of Spain.
18:44We know that Donald Trump hates Pedro Sánchez.
18:48He doesn't have a very good relation with him and with current Spanish government.
18:53Also, he every time claims something against Spain.
18:57And I would like to say part of this tweet was true, but I am absolutely sure that really he
19:05politicized much more this debate from his view, from U.S. view, to show Pedro Sánchez that he is the
19:14loser of the situation.
19:16I think if you, as a big leader of a big country, need to call another political leader a loser,
19:26this shows back to yourself.
19:28And I think the real argument is he hates that Sánchez is not trying to charm him to get something,
19:35but he has taken a strong position.
19:37I describe only the situation.
19:38I don't charge Mr. Trump or Mr. Sánchez.
19:41Well, Trump, of course, facing midterm elections in just two months.
19:45But on that point, we can close this conversation on Donald Trump weighing into this debate.
19:49But stay with us here on The Ring as we take a very short break.
20:02Welcome back to The Ring, Eurie News' weekly debate show.
20:05I'm Maeve McMahon.
20:06And for this episode, I'm joined by the MEPs Tom Masatovsky and Birgit Sippel.
20:11And we're taking a closer look at the Southa migration crisis and how it's actually impacted the whole European Union.
20:18We also saw this week Denmark hosting talks with four EU countries on how to speed up the creation of
20:23migrant return hubs outside the European Union.
20:27But according to the EU border agency Frontex, the number of returns actually went up this year.
20:3333,000 people were returned to non-EU countries in the first half of this year.
20:38That's up from 30,000 in the first half of last year, an increase in around 10 percent.
20:43And around two-thirds returned voluntarily, 21,000 compared with 19,000 this year.
20:50So we don't really have a crisis on our hands, right, Tomáš?
20:53Yes, we have to continue with returns.
20:56I think it's very good news that the number is growing.
21:00But really, it's very important to send a very strong signal.
21:05If you are not here legal, you have to go back to your country.
21:11I think, first of all, we have to realize that in the last two years, the number of the overall
21:17arrivals already went down.
21:20Nevertheless, if people have no right to stay, it's okay that we return them to their country of origin.
21:25The return hubs are a totally different question because return hub means we bring people to a place they don't
21:32know where they have never been.
21:34It's expensive, and we make ourselves relying on third countries to do that.
21:41I think that's not a good option.
21:43I think it's really an Australian solution.
21:46They have the same solution, and we are inspired by some countries.
21:52I think that it's not optimal, but what is it optimal?
21:56Are you inspired by the Australian solution?
21:57Yes, of course, I was in many countries to inspire how to proceed the migration.
22:03And I think after many debates here in European Parliament, I'm here 13 years, also, I think that it's really
22:12one of the solutions what we have to do.
22:15I don't agree.
22:17And if I may add one sentence linked to the return hubs, it's not only that I believe the return
22:23hubs are totally ineffective, will not help, but it's also the procedure that was decided to bring people in the
22:31return regulation that we deny very fundamental rights to people and simply bring them back.
22:37So there is some things to do to protect the foundation of European Union, which is rule of law and
22:43fundamental rights.
22:44Just last week, we saw the AFZ do very well in Saxony-Anhalt.
22:49Is that due to migration one of the major issues that they kind of won the elections on?
22:54I think the result in the elections has many grounds.
22:58It's true to one hand, the issue of migration was very popular, was very often mentioned.
23:03But at the same time, especially Saxony-Anhalt is a part of Germany where you hardly find many migrants.
23:11So that's not an issue.
23:12But I think this also adds into a feeling that people believe that politicians don't show interest in their real
23:21-life situation.
23:22And on the other hand, you have a political party like AFD, who is very far right-wing and is
23:28purely lying into the faces of people.
23:31And unfortunately, they don't realize that.
23:33And have our integration policies failed?
23:36Tomáš?
23:37I don't think so.
23:39You can see the situation in the Czech Republic.
23:41We had 500,000 of refugees from Ukraine.
23:46And they are fully involved in the Czech society.
23:49Also, we have it here, really, half a million of people, who are working, who are living with us.
23:56They have it, the children go to the schools and they are fully integrated.
24:01But on the other side of the coin, you believe that all those who arrived in Thauta are, quote, extremists,
24:06as you said earlier.
24:06No, I don't say that they are extremists.
24:09Yes, I said that many of them have a criminal history and they really went from Morocco for the purpose
24:17to have a better life.
24:19So, if I'm correct, you just said many of the 80,000 irregular migrants have criminal backgrounds.
24:25We have it there, many of the people.
24:28You can check them.
24:30Is there evidence of that?
24:31No.
24:32Yes.
24:32There was no screening done, no questioning of the people, especially regarding the big majority who already went back to
24:40Morocco.
24:40No one asked them question about their background.
24:44So, you can't say the majority has a criminal background.
24:46Sorry, we have it many instruments.
24:48I was also soldier.
24:50I was on the borders.
24:51Also, you have it many instruments how to screen the people.
24:54When you don't have it data, I need only your face.
24:58and I can really check where the people is from and what he will do here and where he was
25:05last two days.
25:07Okay.
25:08Well, now it is time to move on to our fifth and our final round here on The Ring.
25:16As always, now for the fifth round, we like to do something a little bit different.
25:20I'm going to ask our guest, Emi Pisa, a set of questions.
25:23And you are allowed reply with either yes or no.
25:26Oh, good.
25:27Is that the OVO?
25:28Okay.
25:29You can give it a shot.
25:30First question.
25:31Did Spain lose control of its external EU border?
25:33Yes or no?
25:34Yes.
25:35No.
25:35Yes or no?
25:36No.
25:37Could Pedro Sánchez resign because of this crisis?
25:39Yes or no?
25:40Yes.
25:42Did Brussels leave Spain alone?
25:44Yes or no?
25:46Member states left Spain alone.
25:48Did Brussels...
25:49No.
25:50Did member states leave Spain alone?
25:51No.
25:52We helped them with all the information and all the support what they asked.
25:56Did Morocco use migration for political leverage?
26:00Yes or no?
26:00Yet no evidence for that.
26:03Yes or no?
26:03We have to investigate them.
26:05Is another South incident inevitable?
26:08Yes or no?
26:10Without solidarity of European Union, it can happen again.
26:14No.
26:16Was Italy right to suspend Schengen temporarily?
26:20Yes or no?
26:20It was ridiculous.
26:22Yes, I agree.
26:24I think it was a very good idea.
26:26So you disagree?
26:27I disagree because really in the situation when systematically really there is no dialogue
26:35between the Spanish government and other member states about illegal migration and about
26:40the situation what they are now doing.
26:43But sorry, it's ridiculous.
26:44Ceuta is not even on the European continent.
26:47They are not even part of the Schengen area.
26:51So none of those people ever arrived in Spain.
26:54So why are you willing to control any kind of traffic reaction?
26:58It's only the reaction to say that Spain have to take control above the borders.
27:04That's not a reason to start for the controls.
27:06That's against the legislation.
27:08Is Schengen in serious trouble?
27:10Yes or no?
27:11If member states act wrongly, then yes.
27:16Yes.
27:17Okay.
27:18And did you agree with anything you've heard from Tomáš today?
27:21Not much.
27:22And did you agree with anything?
27:24Yes, I think two, three percentage of the words that I heard.
27:28That's the view from the MEPs.
27:29We would love to hear your opinion on this debate.
27:32Please reach out.
27:33The ring at eurinews.com.
27:35That is our email address.
27:37In the meantime, thank you so much to you both for joining us.
27:39Thank you so much for watching.
27:40Take care and stay with us here on Euronews.
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