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00:30Sa ikadalawang putisang araw ng impeachment trial ni Vice President Sara Duterte,
00:35iniharap ng prosekusyon ang isa sa mga pinakakatiwalaan ng bise
00:40at ang ikatlong hostile witness sa paglilitis, si Attorney Michael Powa.
00:45It shall be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. So help me God.
00:49Yes, I do, Your Honor.
00:52Dating tagapagsalita, Chief of Staff, at Undersecretary ng Depth,
00:56at noong kalihim nito, si Vice President Sara Duterte.
01:00At ngayon, abogado ng defense team ng bise sa impeachment trial.
01:05Ipinresenta ni Attorney Benamintolosa Jr. ng prosekusyon
01:09ang kanilang 13-point formal offer of evidence and testimony.
01:13Pero dito pa lang, tila nagkatensyon na sa pagitan niya at ni Defense Lawyer Attorney Sheila Sison.
01:21Quite frankly, Your Honor, I don't know if the 13-point offer of the council deserves
01:32any reasonable comment considering that they sound really just rhetoric
01:40aimed to provide drama in this proceeding.
01:44For something that does not deserve a comment, that's quite a lengthy comment.
01:47Isa sa mga unang sinilip ng prosekusyon, ang Audit Observation Memorandum,
01:53kaugnay sa confidential funds ng Depth-Ed noong 1st at 2nd quarter noong 2023.
01:59May kabuang halaga ito na 75 million pesos.
02:03Itong provision na ito, dapat ho, yung binayaran na reward
02:08ng gumamit ho ng fondo ng confidential fund,
02:11binayad ho yung reward na yun sa informer para ho dun sa information na binigay niya.
02:17Tama ho?
02:18That's my interpretation.
02:19Dito sa information na ito, nagkaroon ho ng success
02:23dun sa information gathering and or surveillance activities.
02:28Yung success na yan, galing dahil yan mismo sa information na kinuha sa informat.
02:34Generally, and I say generally, I'm not saying na hindi kailangan may correlation yung success
02:42dun sa, nang i-susubiting mo na evidence of success,
02:45hindi kailangan may correlation.
02:48You're not saying that.
02:49I'm not saying that.
02:50What I'm saying is, na hindi lahat ng informasyon na binibili,
02:55sa aking pagkakaintindi, hindi naman lahat ng binibili mong information,
02:59ay necessarily magkakaroon ka kaagad ng success.
03:01Sa isang punto, buling nagkaroon ng tensyon sa pagkita ng prosecution at depensa.
03:07Ang interpretation mo, kahit wala pang success,
03:11ang interpretation nyo, pwede mo nang bayaran ang informat ng reward kahit walang success.
03:17No, that's misleading, Your Honor.
03:18Your Honor, it's not misleading.
03:19No, it's misleading, Your Honor, because the question was phrased at kahit wala pang success.
03:23Every time the defense counsel speaks, she demands that everyone listens to her.
03:28Um, counsels, I cannot understand anymore the points you're raising.
03:33Binalikan ang prosecution ng mga nagdaang pagbinig ng House Committee on Good Government
03:38and Public Accountability,
03:40kung saan sinabi ni Powa na wala o mano siyang personal knowledge
03:44ukol sa mga confidential fund ng DepEd.
03:47Kaya binansagan siya ng prosecution na abogadong walang alam.
03:52He answered for 112.5 million pesos he knew absolutely nothing about.
03:58Siya ang inatasan ng vice-presidente yung sumagot sa COA.
04:01Hindi ang SDO, hindi ang nag-disburse ng pera, hindi ang tumanggap ng pera.
04:08Ang abogadong walang alam.
04:10Tinutulan nito ng depensa dahil may ibang pakahulugan daw ito.
04:13To strike off the statement that ang abogadong walang alam,
04:18he also has under the rules, rule 132, certain rights.
04:24And one of those rights is to be protected from irrelevant, improper, and insulting questions.
04:30And not only that, also to be protected from harsh or insulting demeanor.
04:37Chair hereby orders that the phrase, abogadong walang alam, be stricken off the record.
04:43Chair finds it discourteous to say the least.
04:46Attorney po, I hope you understand.
04:48There was never any intention on my part to insult you in any way.
04:52We have to take this in context.
04:54When I said, abogadong walang alam, what I meant was, in Congress,
04:58he repeatedly said, he knew totally nothing about the use and liquidation of the confidential funds.
05:06Context is very important.
05:08But nonetheless, if I offended you in any way, sir, I'm very sorry for that.
05:12JT Powa, nagsimula lang ang kanyang partisipasyon sa confidential funds
05:16nang matanggap niya ang AOM ng COA.
05:21Sumagot ho kayo dito, dito sa Audit Observation Memorandum.
05:26Sumagot kayo, kayo ho ang nag-file ng reply sa COA. Tama, sir?
05:32Tama po, April 17.
05:33Basically, you became involved in confidential funds of the DepEd
05:39only when you received the AOM dahil inaaral nyo na,
05:42tapos sa iyo yung sumagot ng reply. Tama po ba yun?
05:45Yes, pa. Tama.
05:54Base rin sa kanyang testimonya, sinabi ni Powa na ang mga nakakaalam lang
05:59sa paggamit ng P15.5 million pesos na confidential funds
06:03ay ang vice-presidente at yung special dispersing officer, Edward Fajarda.
06:09Tsaka na lang daw niya nalaman na may alam din sa confidential fund
06:13si Col. Dennis Nolasco ng Vice Presidential Security and Protection Group.
06:19Ang attorney po, lahat po nang ginawa nyo kaugnay sa pagsagot sa AOM
06:24ay nalalaman ng vice-presidente.
06:28Nalaman po niya, yes.
06:29When we got the AOM, syempre po, ininformed ko po siya that we got the AOM.
06:34And I informed her and asked for permission if I can coordinate with the SDO.
06:39And she said, okay.
06:40I came back to her and I briefed her on all of my answers to the AOM.
06:46And she just said, okay.
06:47Tila bantay sarado rin ng depensa ang bawat punto ng prosecution.
06:51Kaya nagiging madalas ang debate ng dalawang abogado.
06:55I heard you, the one make speculation. You have to admit, you made some speculation there.
06:58So we have to move the...
07:00Sorry, I did not make speculation.
07:03I will point out which speculation.
07:06No, no, no. You're in...
07:07It's out of order.
07:08Attorney Sheila, attorney Sheila, attorney Paul.
07:10Your Honor, with all due respect,
07:12let's give attorney Jay some...
07:14He gave some scenarios, possible scenarios a while ago, no?
07:19Na maaaring...
07:21Thank you, sir, for the...
07:22That's just my point. Thank you, sir, for not making it difficult.
07:25Ilang besos umawat si presiding officer.
07:27Cheez Escudero.
07:29Kahit natutunan mo during that meeting,
07:32paano gamitin ang JC 2015-01,
07:34hindi mo ginamit yung kalaman na yan
07:36noong nagsubmit na kayo noong third quarter.
07:38It was not my responsibility, Your Honor,
07:40to handle the liquidation report.
07:42Council is badgering the witness already.
07:45That is not badgering.
07:46Councils, all of you are lawyers.
07:48Kindly don't speak at the same time.
07:50Nang maging mainit na ang pagtatalo,
07:53nagpaalala si Escudero sa mga council
07:55at nanghingi rin ng pasensya sa mga senator judge.
07:59Council, council's peace.
08:00We're nearly about to break for lunch.
08:03Lower it down a notch.
08:05Mahirap na nga po na may dalawang abogadong
08:09nagkakaroon ng tagisan ng talino.
08:11Gawin po nating tatlo.
08:12Kaya pag unawalang po at pasensya
08:14ang hinihiling namin,
08:15ang party po ito ng proseso.
08:18Kahapon, sinabi ng dalawang opisyal ng AFP
08:21na wala silang nakuha na confidential fund
08:23mula sa DepEd
08:24para sa kanilang mga aktibidad
08:26gaya ng Youth Leadership Summit.
08:28I'm sure you agree
08:29na wala hong binigay kahit piso
08:32ang Department of Education sa AFP
08:35para maisagawa itong mga Youth Leadership Summit.
08:42Yes, sir. I confirm that.
08:44Sa testimonya ng dalawang sundalong kahapon,
08:47sinabi nila na nagbigay sila ng certification
08:49bilang patunay ng pakikilahok ng DepEd
08:52sa mga aktibidad.
08:53Pero ginamit ito ng DepEd
08:55para sa kanilang liquidation
08:58para sa confidential fund.
09:00The reason why you use this YSL certification,
09:04ang words nyo, it was on the premise
09:07that whatever activity was conducted on the ground
09:12by the military was targeted
09:14because of information received from DepEd
09:16due to those rewards given out on the premise.
09:19Tama ko, sir, no?
09:20Yes, sir. As stated in the documents.
09:22Yan din ang sinilip,
09:24dagilang Senator Judge.
09:25Yung DepEd certification for youth summits,
09:29ginamit po na to justify daw
09:32ang OVP Confidential Fund usage.
09:34Sino o kaninong idea itong cross-agency justification po?
09:39Sa totoo lang, and I'll be very honest with you,
09:43nung humingi ako ng certifications,
09:46mas gusto ko talaga kung third party.
09:48Kasi kung mismong DepEd ang mag-certify
09:51para sa akin,
09:53hindi ko alam kung totoo o hindi.
09:55So, I wanted a third party.
09:57So, nung nakita ko yung AFP certifications
09:59na binigay sa akin ni Yusek Mempin,
10:02I relied on the certifications.
10:04But the Vice President never asked me to ask
10:07for the certifications or approve them.
10:09So, ang tanong ko po,
10:10ano po yung factual basis niyo
10:12for using those certifications
10:13to make that specific representation po po?
10:17Yung naging basihan ko po doon,
10:19kasi when I received the certifications,
10:21obviously, sir, I did not consider them in isolation.
10:26Binasa ko lahat ng natanggap ko.
10:27Kasi, syempre, kahit yung YLS,
10:30sa totoo lang,
10:31hindi ko naman alam yung YLS program na yun.
10:33So, nung binasa ko,
10:34kaya ko po na sabing,
10:37sige, isumitin natin ito
10:38dahil po doon sa mga linya
10:40that says that due to a synergistic exchange
10:43of intelligence and information,
10:45they were able to target areas
10:49where it will be held.
10:51So, yun po ang naging basihan ko
10:53bakit nasabi ko na,
10:55o sige, ito ang pwedeng ilakip ito.
10:57But just to clarify, Your Honor,
10:59hindi lang po kasi AFP ang hiningan,
11:03in fact, I approach other USECs.
11:05Ako si Sandra Aguinaldo,
11:07ang inyong saksi!
