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Ilang beses tila naging referee si Presiding Officer Chiz Escudero nang magkainitan ang prosekusyon at depensa sa gitna ng pagsalang ni Atty. Michael Poa bilang hostile witness sa impeachment trial. Sa kanyang pagharap sa paglilitis, iginiit ni Poa na wala siyang personal na kaalaman kaugnay sa confidential funds ng DepEd.


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00:30Sa ikadalawang putisang araw ng impeachment trial ni Vice President Sara Duterte,
00:35iniharap ng prosekusyon ang isa sa mga pinakakatiwalaan ng bise
00:40at ang ikatlong hostile witness sa paglilitis, si Attorney Michael Powa.
00:45It shall be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. So help me God.
00:49Yes, I do, Your Honor.
00:52Dating tagapagsalita, Chief of Staff, at Undersecretary ng Depth,
00:56at noong kalihim nito, si Vice President Sara Duterte.
01:00At ngayon, abogado ng defense team ng bise sa impeachment trial.
01:05Ipinresenta ni Attorney Benamintolosa Jr. ng prosekusyon
01:09ang kanilang 13-point formal offer of evidence and testimony.
01:13Pero dito pa lang, tila nagkatensyon na sa pagitan niya at ni Defense Lawyer Attorney Sheila Sison.
01:21Quite frankly, Your Honor, I don't know if the 13-point offer of the council deserves
01:32any reasonable comment considering that they sound really just rhetoric
01:40aimed to provide drama in this proceeding.
01:44For something that does not deserve a comment, that's quite a lengthy comment.
01:47Isa sa mga unang sinilip ng prosekusyon, ang Audit Observation Memorandum,
01:53kaugnay sa confidential funds ng Depth-Ed noong 1st at 2nd quarter noong 2023.
01:59May kabuang halaga ito na 75 million pesos.
02:03Itong provision na ito, dapat ho, yung binayaran na reward
02:08ng gumamit ho ng fondo ng confidential fund,
02:11binayad ho yung reward na yun sa informer para ho dun sa information na binigay niya.
02:17Tama ho?
02:18That's my interpretation.
02:19Dito sa information na ito, nagkaroon ho ng success
02:23dun sa information gathering and or surveillance activities.
02:28Yung success na yan, galing dahil yan mismo sa information na kinuha sa informat.
02:34Generally, and I say generally, I'm not saying na hindi kailangan may correlation yung success
02:42dun sa, nang i-susubiting mo na evidence of success,
02:45hindi kailangan may correlation.
02:48You're not saying that.
02:49I'm not saying that.
02:50What I'm saying is, na hindi lahat ng informasyon na binibili,
02:55sa aking pagkakaintindi, hindi naman lahat ng binibili mong information,
02:59ay necessarily magkakaroon ka kaagad ng success.
03:01Sa isang punto, buling nagkaroon ng tensyon sa pagkita ng prosecution at depensa.
03:07Ang interpretation mo, kahit wala pang success,
03:11ang interpretation nyo, pwede mo nang bayaran ang informat ng reward kahit walang success.
03:17No, that's misleading, Your Honor.
03:18Your Honor, it's not misleading.
03:19No, it's misleading, Your Honor, because the question was phrased at kahit wala pang success.
03:23Every time the defense counsel speaks, she demands that everyone listens to her.
03:28Um, counsels, I cannot understand anymore the points you're raising.
03:33Binalikan ang prosecution ng mga nagdaang pagbinig ng House Committee on Good Government
03:38and Public Accountability,
03:40kung saan sinabi ni Powa na wala o mano siyang personal knowledge
03:44ukol sa mga confidential fund ng DepEd.
03:47Kaya binansagan siya ng prosecution na abogadong walang alam.
03:52He answered for 112.5 million pesos he knew absolutely nothing about.
03:58Siya ang inatasan ng vice-presidente yung sumagot sa COA.
04:01Hindi ang SDO, hindi ang nag-disburse ng pera, hindi ang tumanggap ng pera.
04:08Ang abogadong walang alam.
04:10Tinutulan nito ng depensa dahil may ibang pakahulugan daw ito.
04:13To strike off the statement that ang abogadong walang alam,
04:18he also has under the rules, rule 132, certain rights.
04:24And one of those rights is to be protected from irrelevant, improper, and insulting questions.
04:30And not only that, also to be protected from harsh or insulting demeanor.
04:37Chair hereby orders that the phrase, abogadong walang alam, be stricken off the record.
04:43Chair finds it discourteous to say the least.
04:46Attorney po, I hope you understand.
04:48There was never any intention on my part to insult you in any way.
04:52We have to take this in context.
04:54When I said, abogadong walang alam, what I meant was, in Congress,
04:58he repeatedly said, he knew totally nothing about the use and liquidation of the confidential funds.
05:06Context is very important.
05:08But nonetheless, if I offended you in any way, sir, I'm very sorry for that.
05:12JT Powa, nagsimula lang ang kanyang partisipasyon sa confidential funds
05:16nang matanggap niya ang AOM ng COA.
05:21Sumagot ho kayo dito, dito sa Audit Observation Memorandum.
05:26Sumagot kayo, kayo ho ang nag-file ng reply sa COA. Tama, sir?
05:32Tama po, April 17.
05:33Basically, you became involved in confidential funds of the DepEd
05:39only when you received the AOM dahil inaaral nyo na,
05:42tapos sa iyo yung sumagot ng reply. Tama po ba yun?
05:45Yes, pa. Tama.
05:54Base rin sa kanyang testimonya, sinabi ni Powa na ang mga nakakaalam lang
05:59sa paggamit ng P15.5 million pesos na confidential funds
06:03ay ang vice-presidente at yung special dispersing officer, Edward Fajarda.
06:09Tsaka na lang daw niya nalaman na may alam din sa confidential fund
06:13si Col. Dennis Nolasco ng Vice Presidential Security and Protection Group.
06:19Ang attorney po, lahat po nang ginawa nyo kaugnay sa pagsagot sa AOM
06:24ay nalalaman ng vice-presidente.
06:28Nalaman po niya, yes.
06:29When we got the AOM, syempre po, ininformed ko po siya that we got the AOM.
06:34And I informed her and asked for permission if I can coordinate with the SDO.
06:39And she said, okay.
06:40I came back to her and I briefed her on all of my answers to the AOM.
06:46And she just said, okay.
06:47Tila bantay sarado rin ng depensa ang bawat punto ng prosecution.
06:51Kaya nagiging madalas ang debate ng dalawang abogado.
06:55I heard you, the one make speculation. You have to admit, you made some speculation there.
06:58So we have to move the...
07:00Sorry, I did not make speculation.
07:03I will point out which speculation.
07:06No, no, no. You're in...
07:07It's out of order.
07:08Attorney Sheila, attorney Sheila, attorney Paul.
07:10Your Honor, with all due respect,
07:12let's give attorney Jay some...
07:14He gave some scenarios, possible scenarios a while ago, no?
07:19Na maaaring...
07:21Thank you, sir, for the...
07:22That's just my point. Thank you, sir, for not making it difficult.
07:25Ilang besos umawat si presiding officer.
07:27Cheez Escudero.
07:29Kahit natutunan mo during that meeting,
07:32paano gamitin ang JC 2015-01,
07:34hindi mo ginamit yung kalaman na yan
07:36noong nagsubmit na kayo noong third quarter.
07:38It was not my responsibility, Your Honor,
07:40to handle the liquidation report.
07:42Council is badgering the witness already.
07:45That is not badgering.
07:46Councils, all of you are lawyers.
07:48Kindly don't speak at the same time.
07:50Nang maging mainit na ang pagtatalo,
07:53nagpaalala si Escudero sa mga council
07:55at nanghingi rin ng pasensya sa mga senator judge.
07:59Council, council's peace.
08:00We're nearly about to break for lunch.
08:03Lower it down a notch.
08:05Mahirap na nga po na may dalawang abogadong
08:09nagkakaroon ng tagisan ng talino.
08:11Gawin po nating tatlo.
08:12Kaya pag unawalang po at pasensya
08:14ang hinihiling namin,
08:15ang party po ito ng proseso.
08:18Kahapon, sinabi ng dalawang opisyal ng AFP
08:21na wala silang nakuha na confidential fund
08:23mula sa DepEd
08:24para sa kanilang mga aktibidad
08:26gaya ng Youth Leadership Summit.
08:28I'm sure you agree
08:29na wala hong binigay kahit piso
08:32ang Department of Education sa AFP
08:35para maisagawa itong mga Youth Leadership Summit.
08:42Yes, sir. I confirm that.
08:44Sa testimonya ng dalawang sundalong kahapon,
08:47sinabi nila na nagbigay sila ng certification
08:49bilang patunay ng pakikilahok ng DepEd
08:52sa mga aktibidad.
08:53Pero ginamit ito ng DepEd
08:55para sa kanilang liquidation
08:58para sa confidential fund.
09:00The reason why you use this YSL certification,
09:04ang words nyo, it was on the premise
09:07that whatever activity was conducted on the ground
09:12by the military was targeted
09:14because of information received from DepEd
09:16due to those rewards given out on the premise.
09:19Tama ko, sir, no?
09:20Yes, sir. As stated in the documents.
09:22Yan din ang sinilip,
09:24dagilang Senator Judge.
09:25Yung DepEd certification for youth summits,
09:29ginamit po na to justify daw
09:32ang OVP Confidential Fund usage.
09:34Sino o kaninong idea itong cross-agency justification po?
09:39Sa totoo lang, and I'll be very honest with you,
09:43nung humingi ako ng certifications,
09:46mas gusto ko talaga kung third party.
09:48Kasi kung mismong DepEd ang mag-certify
09:51para sa akin,
09:53hindi ko alam kung totoo o hindi.
09:55So, I wanted a third party.
09:57So, nung nakita ko yung AFP certifications
09:59na binigay sa akin ni Yusek Mempin,
10:02I relied on the certifications.
10:04But the Vice President never asked me to ask
10:07for the certifications or approve them.
10:09So, ang tanong ko po,
10:10ano po yung factual basis niyo
10:12for using those certifications
10:13to make that specific representation po po?
10:17Yung naging basihan ko po doon,
10:19kasi when I received the certifications,
10:21obviously, sir, I did not consider them in isolation.
10:26Binasa ko lahat ng natanggap ko.
10:27Kasi, syempre, kahit yung YLS,
10:30sa totoo lang,
10:31hindi ko naman alam yung YLS program na yun.
10:33So, nung binasa ko,
10:34kaya ko po na sabing,
10:37sige, isumitin natin ito
10:38dahil po doon sa mga linya
10:40that says that due to a synergistic exchange
10:43of intelligence and information,
10:45they were able to target areas
10:49where it will be held.
10:51So, yun po ang naging basihan ko
10:53bakit nasabi ko na,
10:55o sige, ito ang pwedeng ilakip ito.
10:57But just to clarify, Your Honor,
10:59hindi lang po kasi AFP ang hiningan,
11:03in fact, I approach other USECs.
11:05Ako si Sandra Aguinaldo,
11:07ang inyong saksi!

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