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00:01Hey, hi everybody. This is Nate and welcome Helen, my co-host. How are you?

00:06Thank you. Fine. Thank you. I just was going to point out it's Black Shirt Day.

00:11It's often the case for me. I was gone. I was doing the eclipse trip, so we were apart.

00:21Were you gone?

00:23I was gone.

00:24I never said this to you because we've been talking for a while. Welcome back.

00:27Black Shirt Day. You weren't sorely missed.

00:31I missed you too, but I had to be there for the eclipse.

00:35Yeah, well, I was really jealous and I'm not recovered from that yet either.

00:41You had a good time.

00:43I had a good time. It was fun.

00:47So we are back to behind the headlines and I have three topics this week, which is like, you know,

00:54the presidential debates.

00:55You were not informed of those topics ahead of time.

01:00The first, so we're looking at facts and trends in society related to technology, healthcare, culture, societal, all kinds of

01:12important things.

01:15First topic out of three.

01:19Water. Do you know that water is a problem?

01:23Yes, I do. Do you know my friend Debra that does the Cosmic Fold?

01:28On Wednesday nights, we do a show called the Cosmic Fold.

01:33She works for a big, I don't know how to describe this.

01:36I hope I don't get this wrong.

01:38She works for a group of people who deal with water rights and water laws.

01:44She lives in Arizona, but they deal with New Mexico and Arizona and Colorado.

01:50And she's been telling us the dire situation with water.

01:56Like the Hoover Dam's getting ready to completely fail.

01:59Things are down to 40% of their usual level of production or whatever.

02:06I mean, I don't know what I'm talking about, but just that it's really bad.

02:11There's not enough water.

02:13But my whole point is that 70% of the earth is covered with water.

02:21So, we're saying that we have a water problem, but we actually don't.

02:27We don't really have a water scarcity problem.

02:32We have a water, drinkable water problem.

02:38Yeah, salt problem.

02:41Salt problem.

02:41So, the question is for this first topic is, could we manufacture a way of water scarcity with desalination?

02:50Economically, environmentally, geographically, it's complicated.

02:55The scale of the water problem is enormous.

02:58The WHO, UNICEF, reported that in 2024, 2.2 billion people lacked safely managed drinking water services.

03:072.2 billion people.

03:10At the same time, there is a lot of desalination expansion.

03:16Modern large-scale seawater reverse osmosis plants can try to get 3 kilowatt hour of electricity per cubic meter of

03:28fresh water under favorable condition.

03:30And that can produce 1,000 liters of fresh water.

03:34It is possible.

03:35There's tens of thousands of facilities around the world.

03:39This is a fascinating idea of expanding desalination.

03:43We actually don't have a shortage of water.

03:46We have a shortage of accessible fresh water.

03:50That's different.

03:52What is the argument?

03:54Well, the technology to desalinize is already proven.

04:00It's not science fiction.

04:02Israel, Saudi Arabia, United Herbes, they all use that.

04:08It could be very interesting to combine solar and desalination because sun provides the solar electricity, the desalination, then the

04:21fresh water.

04:23So, with a lot of sun, a lot of sea water, we could get a lot of fresh water.

04:29It doesn't, it's also not depending on rainfall.

04:35It's already there.

04:37Yeah.

04:39Now, there's a lot of issues that are related to the desalination.

04:46Brian, what do you do with the concentrate stream of salt?

04:52Pickles.

04:54Salt waste.

04:55That's a lot of pickles.

04:58Where do you put that?

05:00You know, it's a hundred million cubic meter every day.

05:09Energy.

05:10It needs a lot of energy.

05:12And then also, location.

05:16You can easily desalinate seawater in the middle of a continent and pipe it inland, the whole piping.

05:26It requires energy, construction, maintenance.

05:29It's just enormous.

05:31And then the whole question of agricultural water.

05:34We just don't need drinking water.

05:37We need water for agriculture.

05:39Agriculture, yeah.

05:42Another question for the courts and discussions.

05:46Is there really an option to look into desalination?

05:52The sense that I have, and this is based on complete ignorance, but the sense I immediately get, it is

05:59one solution.

06:03That there will have to be others, but it is one solution.

06:07You know, the Ogallaga, I always say this wrong, Ogallala Aquifer, which is the underground water, it provides water kind

06:20of in the center of the south-central part of the country.

06:25It provides water for eight states.

06:29It's almost empty.

06:33We're talking crisis time.

06:35When you said, what, 2.2 billion people don't have...

06:402.2 billion people lack safely managed drinking water service.

06:45Okay, did I do the math right?

06:47That's 25%, isn't it?

06:50That's a quarter.

06:52I wouldn't be surprised.

06:54I wouldn't be surprised.

06:552 billion over 8 billion?

06:58Yeah, a quarter.

06:59That's one-fourth.

07:00That's one-fourth, right?

07:03Is it that simple?

07:05Yeah, I mean, yeah, if we're 8 billion on the planet, yeah, that's a quarter.

07:11That's a lot of people.

07:13Yeah, because in Africa, yes, I mean...

07:18This is global, yeah.

07:20It's not just in the U.S., it's in Europe.

07:23It's on every continent.

07:25It's really, really bad.

07:27And, of course, what's it related to?

07:34Climate change.

07:36And data centers and AI.

07:40Do you really want to bring that up right now?

07:42Well, yeah, because it is actually intertwined.

07:46I know it is.

07:47I know.

07:48But you know my feeling.

07:50And my take on this is, yes, we're going to have to desalinate water.

07:56Yeah.

07:57It's a solution.

07:58It won't cure the problem.

08:00No, it's not everything, but it is an element.

08:04My concern is we have a really poor track record as human beings, as inhabitants of the planet.

08:14Everything we try to do, we solve one problem and create three.

08:20So I worry about the impact on the environment and the ecosystem, other animals, you know, like this.

08:29They're all that waste.

08:32Yeah.

08:33That's salt.

08:34Now, some of it can be bottled up and sold at Costco.

08:38Sea salt is very popular these days.

08:40But I think it is, my feeling, it can be toxic, that much waste.

08:47Well, it's not going to have just salt in it.

08:50That's the other thing.

08:52Yeah.

08:53So let's read on it.

08:54What do the cards say about desalination?

09:00is it a real option?

09:10Ah.

09:24I don't get great cards for this.

09:26Did you?

09:27Yeah.

09:28I mean, the Empress, I think this is being creative.

09:31You see that there's water here in the river.

09:35It's creativity.

09:36Ace of Wand, we're probably going to have to take action.

09:40Five of Wands, there's going to be challenges.

09:44I feel almost like people are going to fight these agreements.

09:48It brings us all set of issues.

09:51Four of Wands, though, in some parts, I think this is going to be, yeah, maybe the only solution in

10:01some parts of the earth.

10:03The governments step in, yeah.

10:04So I agree with you.

10:06You've got the Ace of Wands.

10:07I've got the King of Wands.

10:08It's going to require action.

10:11And from the top, I think it could solve some of our problems.

10:16The Eight of Swords.

10:17You could solve some of them.

10:19But I've got the Six of Pentacles reversed.

10:21I don't think it'll be evenly distributed.

10:23If it works, it won't be to the advantage of everybody fairly.

10:28You know, it's going to dominate in some areas where there's money for the technology and other people are going

10:35to get left out.

10:36And then I'm not quite sure how to look at this other than I got death reversed.

10:41Like, it's going to require a gigantic change or there is going to be a gigantic change or all of

10:49the above.

10:51Yeah.

10:52Something has to be done, right?

10:53Yeah.

10:54Death reverse is like the ultimate last minute solution.

10:58Yeah.

10:59It's like an intensification of it.

11:02Yeah.

11:03All right.

11:04Our second topic is very serious, probably more serious.

11:08We are talking about organ transplants.

11:14And this is a very serious issue.

11:18In the U.S. in 2024, 167,000 patients were on the waiting list.

11:2546,000 transplant surgeries were done in 2024.

11:31So, roughly a quarter of all those people waiting were done as actual surgery.

11:45And at a given point, there's 100,000 people waiting on the organ transplant list in the U.S.

11:55So, this is very, very stressful.

12:03And, I mean, I know people who have been on the waiting list.

12:08I mean, I have not myself, but I know people.

12:11And it's definitely worse.

12:14My mother's cousin, and this is in the late 60s, her husband.

12:22So, he would have been my mother's cousin-in-law, I guess.

12:26He was in his early 30s, and he had renal failure.

12:30His kidneys were giving out.

12:31And in Ireland, at the time, they only had one dialysis machine.

12:39So, there was this board, like an ethical board, that had to decide who did they save.

12:48Here's a young guy with three little kids.

12:51He didn't qualify, and he died.

12:53Sorry.

12:55So, the question is, could we grow those human organs in a lab?

13:03I think they're working on that, aren't they?

13:06Yeah.

13:06So, what does really that involve, well, that involves scientists to take stem cell tissue.

13:14It involves 3D printing.

13:20Instead of printing plastic, the printer prints the living cells, the biomaterials, the growth factor, layer by layer.

13:31Okay, that's just science fiction.

13:33I don't understand how that works, but okay, I believe you.

13:38And, basically, this is an area that's being investigated at the moment.

13:43Why not?

13:44Why not?

13:45Because, if it works, why not?

13:49So, that's what I wanted to bring up as a topic.

13:53Again, the pro-argument is, well, your own cells could be used.

13:58So, you could be saving yourself.

14:01Yeah, yeah.

14:02We take your own cell.

14:04We turn them into stem cell.

14:06We grow genetically with your own.

14:10That, of course, then you don't need a donor.

14:13You're your own donor.

14:15So, kidneys would be the first one because that seems to be the, you mentioned kidney, actually.

14:22And it would eliminate dialysis with a personal organ.

14:27And then, basically, we would have labs and manufacturing organs.

14:35Now, some of the challenges.

14:39Today, we cannot currently 3D print a heart, a kidney, or a liver.

14:50We're working on it, they're working on it, but it's not, the technology is not there.

14:57First of all, there's an issue with, like, the blood vessels.

15:02How to connect everything properly.

15:06It's arteries, capillaries, veins, all of that.

15:11You would need to work through printing all of that.

15:16So, can you imagine the printing of those?

15:19No, I'm having a very difficult time picturing what this process looks like.

15:25Yeah.

15:26But the function of the organ is not just having the organ.

15:31It needs to function like a kidney, filter the bloods, regulate fluids, produce hormones.

15:36I mean, our body is so magical in what it does.

15:43It's just unbelievable, right?

15:46It's not about making, obviously, I'm going to say something obvious, but it's not just making the shape.

15:50It's making it work.

15:52Yes.

15:52Well, you can make heart.

15:54You can print.

15:55But how do you get it to the piece?

15:56Yeah, exactly.

15:58And then there's a regulatory problem.

16:01Safety, functionality, durability, mutations, contamination, immune response.

16:08I was wondering about that.

16:10Would the body accept a manufactured?

16:16So, science is looking maybe more at repair and the regeneration of tissue.

16:22How you go from a damaged heart to a regenerate a heart tissue, etc., etc.

16:28So, that's an interesting question is, is there really hope growing those organs?

16:38I'm old enough to remember the first heart transplants, DeBecchi and, you know, the guy in South Africa, the people

16:50in, I think, in Houston, who did the first heart transplants.

16:55And it seemed like science fiction.

16:57It seemed absolutely miraculous.

16:59The people who received those hearts, the first ones that were done, they didn't live very long, but they lived

17:07a while.

17:08And they, I think, fully understood that they were sacrificing themselves in a certain way for the sake of the

17:17future.

17:17That it had to be done on somebody and they, you know, they didn't have any other option anyway.

17:23So, what has transpired, that was when I was in high school.

17:28And what has transpired from then to now is like something in science fiction.

17:34It's unbelievable what we can do now that we couldn't do then.

17:39And so, I have no doubt that they're going to come up with solutions.

17:44Anything would be better than torturing animals to get there.

17:51And there's, there's such a, such a long waiting list because not enough people are willing to donate their organs.

17:58There's a, you know, there's a subset of people who are afraid that if you put your name on the

18:05list of donors, someone's going to come after you to get your organs.

18:10Do you know what I mean?

18:11Yeah.

18:12There's a whole conspiracy thing.

18:15Really?

18:16Yeah, people are, people worry about that.

18:18Then there's the trafficking in organs, which is actually a real thing.

18:23Very scary.

18:25Yeah.

18:26So, it would be a very positive step if they could come up with some alternatives.

18:31Yes, I agree with that.

18:33Well, let's ask the cards.

18:34Is there actually other alternatives that are going to be developed for organs creation in a lab?

18:44Yeah.

18:58I think it's going to be very challenging.

19:00First card, interestingly, is justice.

19:03There are a lot of legal aspects coming with this.

19:07I think there's a lot of fairness aspects, too.

19:11That's right.

19:11I'm glad you mentioned that.

19:14Ten of Pentacles, it costs so much.

19:20Costs so much.

19:22And I got the lovers, and to me, that tells me, like, for the foreseeable future, it's from person to

19:32person.

19:34Oh, oh, yeah, I see what you're saying, yeah.

19:37Well, but it's not.

19:39The bottom of the deck is the star.

19:41There's hope.

19:42But, yeah, I don't see anything happening.

19:45Oh, look what I got at the bottom of the deck.

19:48Eventually.

19:49Ten of Pentacles, yeah.

19:50It's kind of the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow, you know?

19:53But it eventually will come.

19:55I got the Nine of Cups reversed.

19:58They're going to keep trying things, and they're not going to be successful.

20:00I think it goes along with the Seven of Cups.

20:03They'll try.

20:04It won't work.

20:05They'll try.

20:06It won't work.

20:06There'll be a sense of kind of defeat or stuck, not knowing quite what to do.

20:13But I like this last card.

20:15Eventually.

20:16Eventually, they'll get there.

20:18But it's going to take a lot of money and effort to get to that point.

20:25Well, nothing we didn't already know, right?

20:28Yeah.

20:29Final topic.

20:30It's more of a societal trend.

20:33And the question is, why are young people giving up on home ownership?

20:44So, in 2025, the U.S. Census Bureau reporting an home ownership rate of only 36% for people

20:57under 35, compared to 78% for over 65.

21:0437% of households under 35 were homeowners in 2025, down for 39% in 2022.

21:1489% of adults under 40 said that it's harder for young adults today to buy a home than it

21:21was for their parents.

21:22Now, let's look at numbers.

21:25Between 2019 and 2024, median U.S. home value increased by 30%.

21:35So, the price has went up by 30%, where the income has increased by 9%.

21:43So, the price of home, 30%, and what people earn, just 9%.

21:50So, that's a huge issue.

21:55Monthly mortgages increased by 40%.

21:58The amount of the monthly mortgage increased by 40%.

22:03Oh, my God.

22:06So, it's basically, imagine looking higher houses prices, mortgage rates, student debt, higher rents, childcare, transportation, food.

22:19Young people can't really make it.

22:23And, basically, they're talking about a younger, it's not like they don't want home ownership, it's they realize that they

22:32can't have home ownership.

22:37It is also, it is a real problem.

22:45U.S. homeowner equity reached 34 trillions in Q4 2025, up 88% from 2019.

22:55Are we creating a generation that rents while the previous generation owns?

23:01So, it's like, it feels very unfair.

23:04There's one generation that owns that rent to the generation, the younger generation.

23:10So, and, of course, home ownership brings also property taxes, insurance, maintenance, repairs, mortgage interest, transaction costs, less mobility.

23:26So, are we really at a point where it's going to be constantly unaffordable for young people to buy a

23:34home?

23:34And, yeah, I think so.

23:37You know, this is a conversation that I hear quite a bit in my life, right?

23:44Yeah.

23:45And there are two things at work here.

23:48There's the whole financial aspect that you just mentioned.

23:54Even if they could come up with an outrageous down payment, and even if they could afford the very high

24:02monthly payments, there are the taxes.

24:06There's the insurance.

24:08Insurance is impossible to get in a lot of regions now because of climate change.

24:13Florida, forget about it.

24:15Flood zones, forget about it.

24:17Earthquake areas, forget about it.

24:19I mean, it's, yeah.

24:21So, there are almost those considerations and the fact that they're not making that much more money.

24:27It's not keeping up with the horrible greed in the insurance industry, in the real estate industry, et cetera, et

24:34cetera.

24:35But there's an aspect of speculation.

24:37There are, like, hedge funds, venture capitalists, big corporations that buy up property as an investment and rent them for

24:51exorbitant prices or tear them down to build some other thing.

24:56So, property is taken off the market.

24:58So, there's actually a scarcity of available places for sale, right?

25:04So, there's that, all of those considerations.

25:08But the other consideration is one of a sense of despondency about the future.

25:16I've heard this conversation so much around me.

25:24Why bother?

25:25We barely make enough money to scrape by.

25:29Will we be around to enjoy the benefit of having a home?

25:33The world is coming to a crashing halt.

25:36We might as well enjoy ourselves in the front end rather than be concerned about 30 or 40 year investment.

25:45Right?

25:48And you mentioned something that just drives me crazy.

25:52My generation, the baby boomers, we get blamed for everything.

25:57And, you know, we're as much victims of the situation as anybody else.

26:01There are a lot of older people who would be happy to move out of a bigger home that they've

26:06lived in for 40 years.

26:09But they're stuck trying to deal with the financial situation, too.

26:14And they can't afford it, too.

26:16And they can't.

26:17And the prices are ridiculous.

26:19So, are you a fool and you ask a fraction of what anybody else would ask for the property you're

26:26selling?

26:26You know, you're kind of stuck where you are.

26:30But it's not that baby boomers intentionally created this speculative environment of greed and, you know, the costs.

26:47We're all sitting in the same financial situation.

26:53Yeah, we're all suffering from the same aspects.

26:55But I think there's a sense of, I hate to use these words, they seem extreme, but a sense of

27:02despair and despondency on the part of young people.

27:06I know somebody every time they have saved an enormous amount of money for a down payment, the rules get

27:14changed, the prices rise, the banks want a bigger down payment, the houses cost more, and they have to keep

27:20going.

27:21And this has been going on for like 20 years now.

27:24It's really demoralizing.

27:26Demoralizing.

27:28So, let's look at home ownership trajectory for younger generations.

27:46Stupid cards.

27:50It is interesting.

27:52My first card is the Eight of Swords.

27:54Literally, that they can't access the home ownership.

27:59They are tied up.

28:03Queen of Swords.

28:06The government, the policies.

28:08There's a possible change with new government progressive policies that provide access.

28:17And there's hope.

28:19I believe King and the Queen of Cups would be a couple that seems to be able to access.

28:24But I felt before that the laws have to change.

28:28The model has to change.

28:31I don't think there's no hope.

28:33I feel like there is hope.

28:34But something has to change.

28:37Yeah, that's kind of what I'm getting here.

28:40Yeah, there's a sense of despair.

28:43There's a sense that there just isn't enough money to go around for everything.

28:48I should say what I've got here.

28:50The Five of Coins, Five of Pentacles, and the Ten of Swords.

28:54So there's a real sense of burden and not enough money.

29:00And the Seven of Wands, that they're fighting an uphill battle against a system that they're kind of marginalized by.

29:09But I think there are plenty of young people who, this is the Two of Cups, who are interested.

29:19It's not that they're not interested, but they're having a difficult time accessing the system, getting their foot in the

29:25door, literally.

29:26So I get the King of Cups and the Sun.

29:29I think it's the future is looking more optimistic because people are going to start feeling like this isn't right.

29:39We have to do something.

29:42I don't know.

29:43With all the people living on the sidewalks, you know, why are we not doing something right now?

29:52Right now.

29:55Well, Helen, that concludes our show.

29:58Did you enjoy it?

29:59No, we didn't argue about anything.

30:03No, it was kind of calm, this one.

30:07Well, you just got back home.

30:08You're trying to recover.

30:10I went easy on you.

30:12I'm sure we'll, you know, it's a bit more controversial next week.

30:16Oh, don't worry.

30:17We have current events coming up.

30:19I've got some for you.

30:22Thanks, Helen, for being with me.

30:24And everyone, go watch us on Helen's channel.

30:27And remember to like, subscribe.

30:29Yeah.

30:30See you soon.

30:32Thanks.

30:33Thanks for watching.

30:34Bye-bye.

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